[01:19:55] [1/2] Perhaps web hosting is not allowed. [01:19:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1530384067231486022/Screenshot_2026_0725_081754.png?ex=6a6560ba&is=6a640f3a&hm=2520eb7130494498d3a8cdc5e98ebf609fff4ccb736e666afd43e4ef34a686f5& [01:22:22] We have a policy against open proxies or what are considered web hosts, see [[NOP]] [01:22:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NOP [01:22:22]

[04:42:41] thanks @elisaopoly for fixing Imamy's broken tags :) [04:46:00] lol no problems :) [08:04:45] damn the minion chain is pretty long [08:05:14] [1/2] @pskyechology -> @thewwrnerdguy -> @crystalite13 -> @nukesme -> @elisapoly [08:05:14] [2/2] already 5 people lol [08:05:36] wait Elisa? [08:05:43] what's elisa's display [08:06:31] Nukesme's Sidekick #1 [08:06:46] huh [08:06:50] interesting [08:07:02] [1/2] in irc terms [08:07:02] [2/2] skye -> wwr -> you -> nukesme -> elisa [08:07:24] [1/2] @elisapoly's sidekick #1 [08:07:24] [2/2] nope doesn't exist [08:07:48] wait if i type elisapoly it auto pings, off [08:08:02] i made a bet with a friend [08:08:13] he said that I couldnt finish an entire book series [08:08:23] its 19 books minimum not including novellas [08:08:26] I'm on book 11 [08:08:31] novellas included [08:08:41] thats why I'm not sleeping [08:08:42] what do you get if you win [08:08:48] bragging rights [08:08:57] and also something to talk about [08:09:03] each book is minimum 500 pages [08:09:15] I went on a hiatus but I locked in again [08:09:56] 😭 [08:10:31] go sleep or one day someone's gonna make an rfc to revocate your gp rights for flexing it awhile back /j [08:10:44] what can I say [08:10:46] I read fast [08:10:58] and my excuse is while I'm reading I'm going ext test stuff on mirabeta [08:11:08] ❌ [08:11:34] dave [08:17:08] the diver [08:17:42] dave [08:27:15] the diver [08:27:21] those who know ball [08:28:35] dave the diver [08:28:38] elite ball knowledge [08:34:30] now 6 [08:34:59] who is the no6 [08:35:15] elisa poly [08:35:24] theres only 5 [08:35:30] ok [09:08:45] good game with good wiki, but still inside fandoom 😔 [09:09:49] fearless can continue the minion chain :3 [09:13:58] i'd rather start a new chain on someone like NA or raidarr frfr [09:14:16] cause current 1 is minion/sidekick [09:14:23] what about the next chain being funny [09:14:41] Raidarr -> @justanotherdarkmodeuser frfr [09:38:48] nah [09:42:10] [1/2] based [09:42:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1530510463291363418/image.png?ex=6a65d671&is=6a6484f1&hm=2fd44f69864a0dea45c00606edd57eb4945050cc3db40a00c21e2fc138ece8b1& [09:44:54] [1/2] a nice thing about miraheze that might be more subtle is we don't really have much incentive to go oh you must use miraheze and create a false sell to that effect, instead you have at least one board member who will tell you to use the best tool for the job and if that is self hosting instead of a managed farm like this, then that is the way it should be, have what help we can offer [09:44:55] [2/2] including if you started here and want to move on [09:45:38] yeah [09:45:44] in the near future I hope to update migration/hosting related essays to further help on this end [09:46:13] likewise, weird gloop or even wiki.gg staff may tell you to use miraheze for some other use cases (e.g. private wikis or worldbuilding wikis) [09:46:32] since these are out of their scope [09:46:36] its an ecosystem, and there is no reason it should be hostile [09:46:50] yeah [09:46:52] I agree [09:47:21] I have wikis across these 3 hosts [09:47:44] and quite frankly, I don't really see them as "different" [09:48:13] I'll throw a bone to littler cousins as well [09:48:16] of course, there are some differences here and there, but overall, the wiki experience is similar between these 3 hosts [09:48:38] oasis needs some love to really proceed but has a few interesting hopeful aspects going for it [09:48:49] [1/5] so basically there is 4 tiers of the ecosystem [09:48:50] [2/5] self host - independence [09:48:50] [3/5] wiki.gg - very serious projects [09:48:50] [4/5] miraheze - variety with a high bar [09:48:51] [5/5] wikioasis - variety with not so high bar [09:49:00] if i'm right [09:49:05] i'm sometimes wrong though [09:49:17] weird gloop - extremely serious projects [09:49:23] we all know they're elite tier [09:49:32] SSS tier lowk [09:49:47] [1/2] wiki.gg is like S/SS tier, miraheze is S tier [09:49:48] [2/2] wikioasis currently like what [09:49:51] C tier? [09:49:57] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [09:50:07] don't know of any notable wikis there off the top of my head [09:50:11] other than italian brainrot [09:50:16] and funnily enough, tomorrow's pioneers [09:50:39] italian brainrot is gonna get kicked out soon, unless they improve parsing from what i hear z said [09:50:47] I know [09:51:01] honestly, I hope they find stability [09:51:13] once you look at oasis level there is a handful of farms that kind of compete for a similar slot [09:51:18] (and be able to get better moderation too) [09:51:34] how many farms are competing for oasis's spot [09:51:39] and who are they 👀 [09:51:49] miraheze can be a hit or miss [09:51:57] the host is great, no doubt [09:51:58] off the top of my head amazing wikis, wikigrid (not sure if alive) [09:52:03] they're improving though, i really don't want them to be kicked [09:52:05] and you have a lot of cool wikis here [09:52:07] but also a lot of emty ones [09:52:29] miraheze kind of depends on the use case and is structured in some ways we just have to work on over time and some ways we're always going to lack a little by nature of what we are [09:52:38] yeah [09:52:48] this is inevitable for any wiki host that accepts basically any wiki [09:52:54] not saying it's a good or a bad thing [09:52:58] [1/3] yeah if the landing page is like this uh... [09:52:59] [2/3] probably nobody is gonna use them [09:52:59] [3/3] https://www.amazingwikis.org [09:53:01] dormancy could probably tighten for just abandoned stuff and be looser on stuff properly put together, if we find how to do that at scale [09:53:10] oasis's landing page is better even if vibed [09:53:54] oh yeah, I definitely agree with this [09:54:23] in fact, it's one thing I desire for mh to do the most [09:55:22] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1530513784760959126/makesweet-5u3tkf.gif?ex=6a65d989&is=6a648809&hm=88d0bf9c22e14476c457257f93a4e5632c1c7b038473ad14ae6b6759a4c70386& [09:55:50] this is the [wiki flag](https://justleafy.miraheze.org/wiki/Wiki_flag) (or at least my proposal for it) [09:56:47] i think wikigrid is down/gone [09:56:50] i can't search for them [09:57:31] skywiki [09:57:40] or skywikis [09:57:46] if that platform is not broken [09:57:46] https://downornot.net/check/wikigrid.com down for 2 months.. [09:57:48] skywiki is gone [09:57:59] skywiki got consumed by the wikioasis foundation [09:58:16] oh [09:58:17] ...i guess on the courtesy of my meddling [09:58:18] no wonder why [09:59:04] tali having that domain was clutch though, without it skywiki would probably linger for some more time [09:59:51] gotta thank @zipppee for actually doing it too [10:02:40] room for amending to provide for discretionary closure though I can only really get into that much later [10:02:54] one hole I want to kill is the requesting of a wiki to camp on a domain essentially [10:03:03] saw a wiki do just that and that needs to not exist [10:03:17] domain camping? what does that do [10:03:41] more of anything later since its off for life, but the wiki was made private and the main page basically said something like this domain is reserved [10:03:59] we don't even have an exact basis for something like that but yeah no you shouldn't be able to do that [10:04:39] that feels bullshit [10:04:53] if you want the domain, request an wiki and actually use the domain/wiki [10:04:57] rather then camping [10:04:59] it's just pointless [10:05:12] and probably violates the scope the requestor said too [10:05:13] ngl tho [10:05:22] it is annoying indeed [10:05:58] but not as annoying as those shitty ai websites that take gamename.wiki domains and place vibecoded ai slop pages about a new game that just came out with zero relevant info [10:06:00] [1/2] huh since when this role existed, that's cool [10:06:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1530516461842333807/36B89E02-5C05-482E-AC5D-D49A6DA79EB1.png?ex=6a65dc08&is=6a648a88&hm=37dd9ba69dea666e6cc65e6d6ab44fff9f68573f3aa06cf818061974379dbab8& [10:06:25] I think reading a book and testing extensions are not things you can do at the same time [10:06:53] were wwr he/him or she/her again i forgot [10:06:54] at least for most wikis whose domains are taken, you can just edit and add pages if it is public, but without admin privileges [10:06:54] is this a play on NotAracham or a play on Harej [10:07:28] [1/4] well previously i made my name [10:07:29] [2/4] raidarr -> raid shadow legends [10:07:29] [3/4] it was ehh so [10:07:29] [4/4] NA -> Archam Here [10:07:38] wait i could do it better [10:08:00] [1/2] NotArcham [10:08:00] [2/2] YesArcham [10:08:25] wait what does harej has to do with any of this [10:08:32] (also i feel like i barely see them lol) [10:08:51] yes archam actually eh so [10:12:33] Here /j = Harej [10:12:46] oh...LOLL [10:13:06] double joke lol [10:13:31] if archam and harej mixed together... [10:13:39] we get aracham hare /j [10:13:48] /j is for the funny effect [10:28:58] realistically the best thought I had was first party ads w/ revenue sharing [10:29:09] but that adds so much complexity I don’t want to deal with from an org side [10:38:34] <_arawynn, replying to justleafy2003> Domain camping also means when somebody would actually open a Wiki about the game or whatever, we'd technically/strictly speaking have to decline the new request because there exists a Wiki about it. [10:49:10] if it's had no edits in the first 30 days it's eligible for deletion immediately and I think that could be enforced more [11:16:19] https://klipy.com/gifs/hoi4-8 [14:55:14] Hello world [14:55:47] And hello bob [15:45:08] making a wiki then waiting 29 days to do a single edit for the bit [15:45:08] Just dealt with this exact scenario and agree with all - domain camping and abandoned-on-creation projects need a more vigorous approach. As that's a huge bummer for all involved. [15:50:41] The minion nickname change is a good joke, but I do feel like it's making it increasingly difficult for folks to get help from the right person. 😅 [15:51:29] This one's fine, though. Can't be reasonably mistaken for either of the usernames it borrowed from. 🙂 [15:53:02] yeah when i type in @skye you see WWR first lol [15:53:16] for those out of the loop it's probably confusing [16:00:22] well [16:06:10] https://youtu.be/gcIrLt9zf8I? [17:08:24] [1/2] :NotDone: [17:08:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1530622764036259880/IMG_8200.png?ex=6a663f08&is=6a64ed88&hm=d7cc9ef5a0f32a5d2f0b861d000d6cefa2523b9c7eb299ad45120a806897e57f& [17:08:50] Fandom literally blocking people using adblockers now [17:08:55] :stare: [17:10:08] then we block them for blocking adblockers [17:14:50] Oh noo... TPG lost 5 cents of shareholder revenue... boohoo [17:48:57] 5¢ per share can absolutely kill a company lol [18:40:49] wait why [18:41:00] i don't know much about shares [18:41:02] so tell fr [18:45:09] > Fandom literally blocking people using adblockers now [18:45:09] I wonder how they can even do this, technically speaking? I have questions. :thinking_face: [18:56:08] Some form of JavaScript profiling 🤷 [18:58:16] @notaracham: ah, yikes :( [18:58:57] EFF has a site about this, actually [18:59:26] https://firstpartysimulator.org/learn [19:01:19] Neat stuff over there for those who aren't already deep into web and security things [19:02:19] yeah [19:02:51] interestingly, I am using native Google Chrome and it reports, "[o]ur tests indicate that you have strong protection against Web tracking" [19:02:56] that is surprising [19:04:19] seems to be better since Chrome disables tracking cookies by default now [21:28:06] and there is the problem, until there is someone who wants to that path might be dead, and you know it is not among current volunteers [21:28:59] web tracking tests are very fickle and I do not put a lot of stock in them [21:29:42] at the end of the day if you're the only one connecting consistently with tor at x time plus some other variables then you're made, among other observations that defeat the run this browser or add this extension approach. though, adding ublock origin does quite a lot [23:55:41] Today our wiki celebrates our 10th anniversary. We're grateful to Miraheze for hosting! [23:59:08] o7, let us see about another 10