[00:01:59] 🪣 :point: [05:58:11] https://tenor.com/view/do-not-run-python-python-computer-python-coding-coding-funny-coding-meme-gif-10365831290651691441 [08:03:48] i'm thinking about things i earned, in miraheze [08:03:55] and things I lost [08:04:04] things I had to sacrifice [08:04:12] and sometimes I worry it wasn't worth it [08:49:15] You earn skills, views, and the pride that you built/wrote something informative [08:49:31] This funnily enough reminds me of the IBW, which WO may sacrifice if it takes too much resources without remedy [08:49:39] Sounds basic and obvious, but these are greatly under-appreciated values [08:50:07] oh well [08:50:16] nothing I can do but trudge forwards [10:17:59] [1/2] looking at communications with IBW and Miraheze, it's pretty funny [10:18:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1531244254297329674/D3B24736-78CF-486F-B650-A9C3DF3CC640.png?ex=6a6881d7&is=6a673057&hm=2e103d92eb7b4961c73db331d5e3005f9c1920f429a7ab240a816f574ffaad23& [10:23:46] though this time when WO kicks off IBW, there isn't anything else lower in the food chain to host them [10:27:15] it really shows how NA didn't want to deal with IBW, looking back at staff communications [10:32:54] [1/2] considering the volunteer life cycle too...it's pretty horrible [10:32:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1531248007897681940/57133F08-6217-4667-8A72-36A13C2B8B20.png?ex=6a688556&is=6a6733d6&hm=7a9f4bb78860478abde8c560bd4d3d5ffdd2de680eb54dd0e9c976ed8bc4492a& [10:35:07] it wasn't just na who had reservations tbh although he took a brunt of it [10:35:48] if it was as simple as 'just hire more', that would be neat [10:36:33] as it is unless there is someone in the right place with aspirations that I've missed our biggest chance of getting elevated assistance in the immediate future would appear to be doug [10:36:57] this would not be uncontroversial but when he works he works very hard and would offset different flows quite well [10:37:54] Skye would be a good candidate if they're willing to put the time imo [10:38:28] skye had the wisdom to say nah not gonna overload myself with all that when already knee deep in tech and ts matters [10:38:40] otherwise was certainly on my radar for a time before that was established [10:39:27] there are people I think have the temperment but not really the ambition, which is maybe good because burnout is a real thing [10:39:33] [1/2] Though I wonder [10:39:33] [2/2] how did you guys was able to endure IBW for 1 whole year, yet WikiOasis only endured it for 3 months before telling em to "make it light, or get out" [10:40:14] because the biggest pinch on oasis that forced the issue is its resource constraint and this is where it might lose anyway even though the steward vote has cracked following their last ditch cleanup effort [10:45:18] [1/3] man the underage handling problem still persist somewhat, even though it improved somewhat... [10:45:18] [2/3] ||crat's up mentioning a specific gdpred user was underage|| [10:45:18] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1531251125699743805/BA1E815B-53FB-4D59-858E-B55046F245CC.png?ex=6a68883d&is=6a6736bd&hm=34c11e89d2bcc9ae4f29c13097fbb406b6aec2f427264a33fcbc0cf6d798d55f& [10:46:29] ibw is from kids who've never even heard of the word liability [10:46:33] that is kind of what it is [10:46:50] someone like spiracy I think kind of gets it but that is rare [10:47:55] as long gradual improvement is there and will eventually disappear + the server usage problem gets dealt with, I think IBW may survive, but it's not looking pretty even though z has generously gave IBW 3x longer window then Miraheze [10:52:22] [1/3] unsure if an WO volunteer had to deal with cases similarly to this [10:52:22] [2/3] though I wouldn't like spending 3 hours on 1 task... [10:52:23] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1531252904982216714/E1C3578F-D4C5-4328-BA52-5B85087E11E3.png?ex=6a6889e5&is=6a673865&hm=a98ca8caadadd95fdec9c262b8e1274928718b9ec1fa9e96faade6a3dfb4b9a6& [11:07:22] What is IBW? [11:12:20] Italian Brainrot Wiki [11:14:16] the worst wiki for global enforcement™ [11:17:59] incidentally, is this from an internal channel in ibw space [11:18:41] yeah, it's not particularly NDAed or something like that, considering it to be a semi-public space [11:18:56] if it requires certain trust to be in, never do that [11:19:11] in the first place business of a place should stay in a place and airing it elsewhere is airing dirty laundry [11:19:30] if it must be done then it should at least not drop to a less-priveleged space ie public chats [11:19:49] removed the offending images [11:20:09] thankfully that sort of thing is just lost on irc because discord images become invalid after a bit [11:20:40] otherwise a text copy would also exist on the internet pretty much forever, a) because of whatever loggers may exist in here which is uncontrollable in a public space, and b) because irc logs it all anyway [11:21:13] this is the principle I also apply with cvt wiki/cvt space and wikioasis internal, not to mention other internals [11:21:19] Hi Stewards, sorry to interrupt here. I am locked out of my Miraheze account and cannot use the verification button. My login page crashes ("Ungültige Anfrage") when I try to use my backup codes. Could a Steward please help me reset my 2FA? My username is: السيد الشريف إبراهيم العزي الجمامزة الأعرجي [11:21:22] discord images gets instantly deleted on their servers (or hidden) after deleting, unless you have client mod [11:21:35] a steward is not equipped to handle 2fa, that will be a tech affair [11:21:49] I think I would recommend a #support thread for it [11:22:55] its all shipped off to irc which I believe hosts a valid link for as long as discord will honor it, which if now deleted won't be much, but for its limited existence there or for I want to say a day? if left public the link still resolves [11:44:00] Have you ever considered telling IBW that you are denying them hosting/that they must move? [12:14:49] i'm not responsible for that, and the person who did so already told them so [12:15:59] Tbh, it would be better if they went. Less work for overworked volunteers. [12:24:43] There's also paid hosts. [12:26:48] well, do you think IBW will be going to an paid host? [12:31:17] Imo the hosting cost wouldn't be too bad, but I don't know how IBW members are doing financially. [12:40:46] considering they're trying to clean up the mess on WikiOasis then moving - then they're not in a position to pay for an host [12:43:05] While I hate to suggest this, and I am only considering this as an absolute last resort, but I guess Fandom could take in IBW if neither Miraheze, WikiOasis, or anybody with the funds and resources to self-host can [12:44:20] Only because they have enough infrastructure to host countless active wikis without being too much of a strain on resources [12:50:28] Though, they also close brainrot-topic wikis in general for whatever reason [12:51:11] But I'm thinking that they could just end up doing whatever Polandball Wiki did and self-host as the next best option [12:52:52] I think their average user is like 12 tbf [12:53:48] fandom only deals with their own slop [12:53:50] @originalauthority is there any possibility or infrastructure for taking in IBW onto Telepedia? [12:54:22] Fandom kicked them out at the start. That's why they ended up on Miraheze. [12:56:26] Funny how they missed up on a golden opportunity on having a pretty active wiki on their platform, since they desire profit and revenue after all 😂 [13:05:31] i think it's because of underage liability lol [13:08:02] [1/2] https://www.reddit.com/r/brainrot/comments/1kgef7v/brainrot_wiki_has_been_closed_join_the_new/ [13:08:02] [2/2] I remember reading something along the lines of IB not being a subject worth documenting, but I can't find it anywhere now. Another hypothesis is that there is some advertiser unfriendly content, which is mentioned in the reddit post. [13:11:23] Is IBW one of those wikis with more users editing talk pages back&forth and/or making vandal edits than actual editors? How do they take up 20% of WO's CPU usage? [13:12:42] [1/2] oh zippy alr answered [13:12:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1531288219553894440/image.png?ex=6a68aac9&is=6a675949&hm=09eeed63964f1879743b199dcfe2338730a086a2a2a64576580b449dbb23147e& [13:13:37] i'm still curious ngl [13:16:37] I would be shocked if fandom wanted that [13:17:26] not really vandal edits but talk pages do pop off hard relative to standard wikis despite the discord attachment. Its hard to say given the virtually infinite volume of alts there and the nature of the content being a little tricky to tell whats going on [13:17:53] and actually there are certain things I just wouldn't really wish on a community and fandom is one of them [13:18:02] another farm existed in this category but no longer does [13:18:28] If they made an AI slop utility for a wiki for the Roblox game, Steal a Brainrot, I wouldn't be surprised if they would take in IBW or allow brainrot wikis in general [13:19:06] as far as them spending money I don't think they could scrape up virtually anything, which is one difference between their community and something like avid which is also very resource consumption heavy but when push came to shove they could in fact pay their way to an extent [13:19:23] touche I guess, I should not underestimate the sweet sweet revenue [13:19:31] doubt most of them have heard of an adblocker, etc [13:20:06] Granted, a game wiki vs a wiki with a possibly unlimited scope are different in terms of content and activity [13:20:40] But like I said, if Fandom is resorting to make weird AI slop tools as an idea to increase engagement in the platform, nothing would surprise me anymore [13:20:53] ^ on money is why reception wikis have permanently been in a hard place because I'm one of a couple people who exists who could even begin to sustain those wikis and I am simply not willing to, and so even when they might want to move away from farms it has to be remembered they're lucky that original authority puts up with them at all [13:21:33] I don't think that part would really be the problem, I'd guess more the underage magnet + potentially severe volumes of abuse would turn them off more [13:21:50] however that is also kind of a solved problem because ibw's last ditch plan is basically limit editing and make those issues obsolete [13:22:14] so if fandom went for that they would only have the traffic problem and it would probably be easily solved at their scale as long as they want straight up brainrot on their brand [13:22:19] which they might, so I guess [13:22:42] Sounds good to me. If this finds them stability for themselves and the host, then I guess case closed [13:22:56] depending if that is something fandom picks up on anyway, a big if [13:23:09] I guess I don't see what other options are available [13:23:23] Funny how most wikis want more editors and want to find ways to get more editors [13:23:32] though they had a couple people who were expressing intent to make something themselves, if they can do it good for them I suppose [13:23:33] Meanwhile, IBW has the opposite problem lol [13:23:47] building a community is kind of hard at every level tbh [13:23:56] I like the sweet spot where there's some people and it does its thing but its not too big [13:25:19] Any community size, including having one other editor on a specific wiki I edit(ed), would make me happy honestly [13:26:56] God forbid if I admin a wiki for a Roblox game with like so many editors though lol [13:27:18] in my experience on a few Fandom wikis, users who use wikis as a socmed site (i.e. they almost exclusively post on Talk pages or message walls) rarely become actual editors [13:27:34] I'm more interested in indie/aa game wikis generally speaking [13:28:23] Yeah, this is a problem that I know of that they face [13:29:22] On the wikis that I edit, we usually either resort to discord, discord dms, or talk pages occasionally, and even then, the conversations are just about the maintenance of a wiki or what to add to it [13:29:44] Even on Fandom ones [13:31:09] But again, these wikis, in general, have relatively more niche and more mature audiences who care about documentation, first and foremost [13:31:09] Hey everyone [13:31:22] How's everyone, I was inactive for a while [13:31:26] Instead of discussing whatever on what you did in the Roblox game you played [13:32:21] Fandom is unbearable to browse. People should stop using Fandom [13:32:43] Also, I was busy paying attention on Wikimania 2026 news [13:45:17] homer let the barts out :v; [13:46:27] Hi Ahri! [14:39:24] [1/2] The combination of wanting to do fancy things and not fully knowing how things work is detrimental. Either sticking to doing things the simple way or having the expertise to do things the complicated way would not have such a deleterious effect. [14:39:25] [2/2] MH/WO giving wikis too many footguns would also be a reason things can go slowly (looking at MagicNoCache). [15:19:38] [1/4] speaking of disabling cache, after magicnocache I think the big ones remaining are: [15:19:39] [2/4] - RightFunctions [15:19:39] [3/4] - RandomSelection (has a config setting we could globally enable) [15:19:39] [4/4] - UrlGetParameters [17:31:19] RightFunctions and UrlGetParameters we can at least restrict and ask what the use cases are. Most of the time it is replaceable by some CSS/JS, unless some complex parser function is needed. E.g. displaying different content based on user rights or displaying a URL param would be easily replaceable. [17:33:08] As for RandomSelection, since we already have a ready-made js replacement on [[dev:Template:Choose]], we just need to send out an announcement in the tech noticeboard and notify wikis about disabling the `uncached` option. [17:33:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Choose [17:33:09]

[18:45:57] [1/2] damn, NA is quick [18:45:57] [2/2] I just made an sr/p request and he's already on it [18:48:49] thanks [19:07:58] NA is a wizard when he's in gear [19:08:51] not really something I want to touch with a 10 foot pole if I'm honest [19:09:06] Some things are better left just off the internet [20:07:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/615786602454581249/1531392610672050217/291aed7f9cc37203e7e0ffd21c3f5132.mov?ex=6a690c02&is=6a67ba82&hm=e736b5db9c0811ec661a6dd754a467d9c59dd4f57841132e1d4795c46d1d28b1& [20:08:01] hello [21:21:33] (can't blame you) [21:54:17] this gives me cringe +99999...i regret seeing this now [21:59:36] I quite enjoy it [22:03:17] i have no idea of the topic hes singing about, but love the voice [22:08:15] https://deltarune.wiki/w/Lancer (beware spoilers for a very fun game) [22:08:43] https://klipy.com/gifs/lancer-delta-rune [22:09:12] pixldev is that selfhosted it looks alot like fakedom [22:10:10] I think UT/DT wiki is selfhosted ye [22:10:58] oh its an undertale sequel, probably not a game i'd likely play [22:10:59] lol [22:11:07] No offense just not my style of game [22:11:17] Yeah they are