[09:58:16] <RhinosF1>	 BlankEclair: I see you made quips
[09:58:21] <BlankEclair>	 yep
[09:58:28] <BlankEclair>	 wanted to store them somewhere
[09:59:03] <RhinosF1>	 BlankEclair: I need to say some stupid things now
[09:59:14] <BlankEclair>	 heh
[11:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to RhinosF1> She did what now
[11:04:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Claire
[11:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @rhinosf1 where is this
[11:11:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Meta
[11:11:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Subpage of her user
[11:11:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Also good morning
[11:12:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Morning
[11:16:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> WHY IS EVERYONE(minus the last) INVOLVING ME
[11:17:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> You must say a lot of stupid things
[11:17:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Like that
[11:18:58] <BlankEclair>	 like what?
[11:19:36] <RhinosF1>	 BlankEclair: 12:16:03 <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> WHY IS EVERYONE(minus the last) INVOLVING ME
[11:19:49] <RhinosF1>	 That could be a quip
[11:19:55] <BlankEclair>	 eh, i don't really see it
[11:20:10] <BlankEclair>	 i mean, i guess it could be... it has weak quip energy though
[11:20:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m looking through my messages
[11:20:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Since I often mention quotes after saying something quoteable
[11:20:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> “the more computation we can move off of our servers and onto willing users brains”
[11:20:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Me
[11:20:53] <BlankEclair>	 i also love how the horizontal lines work
[11:20:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Or one from labster
[11:21:05] <BlankEclair>	 all the text is in an unclosed <pre>
[11:21:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> CSS is like violence, if it isn’t working, use more
[11:21:17] <BlankEclair>	 if i close the <pre> with </pre>, the lines don't work anymore
[11:21:29] <BlankEclair>	 i'm sure this will be great for the parsoid migration
[11:21:51] <BlankEclair>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:BlankEclair/Quips?useskin=vector&action=parsermigration-edit
[11:21:53] <BlankEclair>	 holy shit it works
[11:22:30] <RhinosF1>	 It has bigger spacing
[11:22:33] <RhinosF1>	 But it works
[11:22:37] <RhinosF1>	 It's not a clean diff
[11:22:40] <BlankEclair>	 eh, true
[11:23:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269979073699123250/image0.jpg?ex=66b207ae&is=66b0b62e&hm=6c7d0e5fc3d2a2bf35fcd93b3c758cdc4817079cced4cac78d18d79edc794f9c&
[11:23:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269979074160492657/image1.jpg?ex=66b207ae&is=66b0b62e&hm=4f58ce3b271bc61359bbf9f1d0a3efe2becf7d36bfabb1a51a5381dfdbde5816&
[11:24:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] Oh here’s a simple one
[11:24:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269979324216250400/image0.jpg?ex=66b207e9&is=66b0b669&hm=3ad0ddc113b0b5f86bd76c582b276760a8137182b4b8bd5d1afb415bd44c2b61&
[11:24:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If someone finds more funny shit I said and trust me there’s a lot I’ll give you a kiss
[11:24:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I belong in an asylum
[11:25:02] <RhinosF1>	 Brave or mad is good
[11:25:18] <BlankEclair>	 > [05/08/2024 21:24] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269979324216250400/image0.jpg?ex=66b207e9&is=66b0b669&hm=3ad0ddc113b0b5f86bd76c582b276760a8137182b4b8bd5d1afb415bd44c2b61&
[11:25:28] <BlankEclair>	 me everytime i drop a pencil
[11:25:33] <BlankEclair>	 (this is why i always use pens. always)
[11:25:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> Is it you or does the asylum beling into your mind ? (don't mind me i'm no one)
[11:25:46] <BlankEclair>	 ((it's such a pain sketching graphs with a pen because you can't properly erase stuff))
[11:26:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> I am the asylum the asylum is me
[11:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (And no worries it’s really nice to talk to new people:> )
[11:26:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Burn.
[11:26:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Pencils way better
[11:26:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> [1/2] Oh my 👀 
[11:26:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> [2/2] #- We are doomed !
[11:26:49] <BlankEclair>	 i'm burned when i drop a pencil for the 420th time and it breaks
[11:26:59] <BlankEclair>	 then when i go try to sharpen it, i oversharpen it and have to start again
[11:27:06] <BlankEclair>	 repeat for like 1 or 2 times
[11:27:30] <BlankEclair>	 and sometimes when you sharpen too well, the tip is too tiny and risks breaking when you press it down hard enough
[11:27:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Totally not me projecting the fact my handwriting looks like it was written by a disabled schizophrenic monkey in its peak of it’s mid life crisis
[11:27:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (I must erase)
[11:28:17] <BlankEclair>	 i do this neat little technique called "not caring if people can't read it"
[11:28:22] <BlankEclair>	 ("people" sometimes includes me)
[11:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You’re not in an academic setting where your silly letter inciditive of success for some reason is dependent on your oppressors I mean teachers reading your handwriting
[11:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I think
[11:29:34] <BlankEclair>	 oh right i forgot about that part
[11:30:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to BlankEclair> I used to do that too, they used to call that "writing for flies" but then I started to be genuinely pissed I couldn't  read the few ideas I had put into words, especially since most of my ideas get lost due to lack of taking notes in time..
[11:30:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I type everything
[11:31:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Heck on the bus ride at 3 AM I was writing my plan out for the vigil project as a blog post since may be interesting to do that
[11:31:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Was fun to write
[11:31:35] <BlankEclair>	 agree, typing is convenient (especially when you have to go back to add a sentence or something (this is admittedly easier with a pencil since you can just erase it, but it can also be annoying when you're going back more than one line))
[11:32:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Some times I don't have the time to write nor type it because once I get an idea it either goes away like Flash or uh.. forgot..
[11:32:29] <BlankEclair>	 me: "eh, i can remember this"
[11:32:37] <BlankEclair>	 me five seconds later: wait what was i thinking again
[11:33:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> 😭
[11:33:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Or the worst case, you get an idea and another one jumps in and you try to remember the previous one and then end up loosing both 😫
[11:33:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> CLAIRE
[11:33:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> STAP BEING ME
[11:33:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> NOOOOO
[11:33:42] <BlankEclair>	 neurospicy to neurospicy communication
[11:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Que
[11:34:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] "Welcome to my life..."
[11:34:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] -# Carter from Stargate SG1 Season 5
[11:34:41] <BlankEclair>	 people when they are amazed by the amount of bugs i find: ^
[11:34:58] <BlankEclair>	 s/people when they/me when people/
[11:35:50] <BlankEclair>	 > [05/08/2024 21:33] <MirahezeRelay> <pixldev> STAP BEING ME
[11:35:53] <BlankEclair>	 i have an image for this
[11:35:55] <BlankEclair>	 https://cdn.transfem.social/files/474075a1-9a01-49cc-a910-1a8113ff96fb.png
[11:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/uh-nevermind-then-nevermind-gif-14214319
[11:37:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> This quote page is gonna become really long if we include all the things posted in the last half hour alone
[11:37:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Do it
[11:38:22] <BlankEclair>	 when you wanna look for a specific meme format but you don't know what to search for
[11:38:33] <BlankEclair>	 it's one anime or cartoon character joining a group of four characters of the same species with their arms raised up
[11:38:41] <BlankEclair>	 can miraheze be my meme format search
[11:43:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> It might overload the internet, hell the UNIVERSE !
[11:46:24] <BlankEclair>	 someone really needs to make a (quality) meme template search
[11:46:32] <BlankEclair>	 currently using imgflip, but it's a hit or miss
[11:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] Womp.
[11:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269985340181971006/image0.jpg?ex=66b20d84&is=66b0bc04&hm=254376970d4a3be91ba5ae10d1a6758f944aed5cdc74eab05b9996503a6e3d71&
[11:48:43] <BlankEclair>	 they're all yellow i believe
[11:48:47] <BlankEclair>	 the one character is to the left, and the group is to the right
[11:48:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> is this minions
[11:49:06] <BlankEclair>	 no
[11:49:12] <BlankEclair>	 i... don't think so at least
[11:50:39] <BlankEclair>	 i have an idea
[11:50:45] <BlankEclair>	 put my entire meme folder into an image deduplicator
[11:50:57] <BlankEclair>	 it only needs to hash > 40000 images :3
[11:51:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Wre
[11:51:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Wtf*
[11:51:41] <BlankEclair>	 you wouldn't believe the things i've done
[11:54:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> I
[11:54:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Don’t
[11:55:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Want
[11:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> To
[11:56:56] <BlankEclair>	 good
[11:57:01] <BlankEclair>	 (i can't share them publically anyway)
[11:57:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🤣
[11:57:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> …
[11:57:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Fuck you know I do want to
[11:58:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> *now
[11:58:24] <BlankEclair>	 heh
[11:58:30] <BlankEclair>	 i can share it to you privately
[11:58:50] <BlankEclair>	 but first, i'd like to share the reason why i can't share it publically... also privately
[11:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🤣
[12:00:41] <BlankEclair>	 https://files.catbox.moe/qg5yo6.png mmm mems
[12:03:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> My first python bot has its list of code words hard coded in
[12:03:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It’s still on my GH
[12:03:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And like all my projects unfinished
[12:03:24] <BlankEclair>	 back when i started programming i didn't know that the == operator existed
[12:03:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Have I ever completed a project
[12:03:48] <BlankEclair>	 i'd do stuff like if "go to sleep" in message, it's amazingly bad
[12:05:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> That’s basically what that project was centered around
[12:05:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> LMAO
[12:05:32] <BlankEclair>	 wtf i really should go back and revisit these memes some day
[12:05:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> if an item in a list of words was in a message
[12:06:13] <BlankEclair>	 https://files.catbox.moe/vu3n4s.jpg
[12:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/4] Here it is. An old joke bot and my real entrance into software development I guess
[12:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269989941249835141/IMG_1039.png?ex=66b211cd&is=66b0c04d&hm=3bbaa5a302ced2189ba339e4729c4ce5a8d73a67e1025a52ccf78c7d318fb01a&
[12:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269989941790769235/IMG_1038.png?ex=66b211cd&is=66b0c04d&hm=9877c799a885cb70e81e6bfcf2bca5fdf378af3e61f814a1c87f682ad032841c&
[12:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269989942151352462/IMG_1037.png?ex=66b211cd&is=66b0c04d&hm=b4c2dba63d0df8cdbe8888b1587b49906a58811804cfc12a824695cdb3bb2588&
[12:07:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Even better
[12:07:43] <BlankEclair>	 praise lux
[12:09:49] <BlankEclair>	 holy shit i think i found the meme format
[12:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> [1/2] [cough](https://tenor.com/view/agents-of-shield-marvel-enoch-chronicom-not-personal-gif-23068117)
[12:10:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269990804688994367/38227db01468a43cd4e10e0f52d2d1f7.png?ex=66b2129b&is=66b0c11b&hm=5b67246e84e99459823a8eabb1405676e24a2a3c1803973712c6e580c111b7db&
[12:10:10] <BlankEclair>	 https://files.catbox.moe/e2faok.jpg
[12:10:16] <BlankEclair>	 i misremembered some details so that didn't help
[12:16:28] <BlankEclair>	 now... i have to find the template
[12:19:07] <BlankEclair>	 https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP147
[12:19:08] <BlankEclair>	 lmao
[12:19:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/pedro-monkey-puppet-meme-awkward-gif-8259086320683337215
[12:20:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Minecraft religion
[12:20:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Ah
[12:21:28] <BlankEclair>	 you will get one My Impossible Soulmate and Rain meme
[12:36:49] <BlankEclair>	 here is the meme: https://transfem.social/notes/9wkjg0p03pbh00ni
[12:40:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] > <BlankEclair> i can share it to you privately
[12:40:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] If you want to you can DM on fedi or email
[12:40:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m gonna go eat cake for breakfast
[12:40:28] <BlankEclair>	 ooo what's the occasion?
[12:42:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Two fold
[12:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/2] 1: hungy
[12:43:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/2] 2: the presence of cake in the fridge
[12:44:10] <BlankEclair>	 ah
[12:48:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Poor Cake,its only fault was to exist 🤣
[12:49:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> To exist in pixl’s realm is to be condemned to oblivion
[12:49:41] <BlankEclair>	 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/0/09/Cake_the_Cat_(Prismo_the_Wishmaster).png/revision/latest
[12:49:42] <BlankEclair>	 cake
[12:49:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It shall simply meet the same fate all Brazilian food does
[12:50:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/portal-glados-robot-gaming-gameplay-gif-7976738888603155703
[12:50:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It was a lie
[12:50:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Now it’s not
[12:52:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Okay
[12:52:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Side tracked on the cake quest
[12:52:40] <BlankEclair>	 you have eaten a magical cat
[12:52:44] <BlankEclair>	 how do you feel?
[12:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What
[12:55:13] <BlankEclair>	 [05/08/2024 22:49] <BlankEclair> https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/adventuretimewithfinnandjake/images/0/09/Cake_the_Cat_(Prismo_the_Wishmaster).png/revision/latest
[13:40:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [1/3] > > <BlankEclair> i can share it to you privately
[13:40:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [2/3] > If you want to you can DM on fedi or email
[13:40:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [3/3] Do I even have email enabled I think so
[13:40:29] <BlankEclair>	 i'll do fedi, just reading a blog post rn
[13:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Sure thing
[14:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> I like days like that
[14:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It wasn’t great cake
[14:25:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Where you just wake up and go I want cake
[14:25:55] <BlankEclair>	 oh :(
[14:26:05] <BlankEclair>	 anyway i'm too tired to actually send the message now xd
[14:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @pixldev when you get to my age, you can buy whatever cake you want any day of the week
[14:26:48] <BlankEclair>	 i mean, if you have a means of transport and money then age is irrelevant
[14:27:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I kind of want to go and buy cake now
[14:27:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Yeah but the cake comes with strings
[14:27:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> What strings?
[14:27:58] <BlankEclair>	 "cake"
[14:28:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> I mean it’d be dumb but I could like fucking door dash a cake to me rn
[14:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Apart from it costing money
[14:28:31] <BlankEclair>	 sometimes i forget that delivery services exist
[14:28:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Adulting
[14:46:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> [1/2] > <BlankEclair> anyway i'm too tired to actually send the message now xd
[14:46:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> [2/2] life of the eepy
[14:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> also are other people open to add quips to your page or do we do per person pages
[14:47:20] <BlankEclair>	 sure whyn't
[14:47:24] <BlankEclair>	 (for the former)
[14:48:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i wanna add the ro one
[14:48:36] <BlankEclair>	 ro?
[14:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> This one
[14:48:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> wait
[14:48:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> that doesn’t help does it
[14:49:03] <BlankEclair>	 lmao no
[14:49:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1269979074160492657/image1.jpg?ex=66b207ae&is=66b0b62e&hm=4f58ce3b271bc61359bbf9f1d0a3efe2becf7d36bfabb1a51a5381dfdbde5816&
[14:49:31] <BlankEclair>	 :laughing:
[14:49:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Lab’s about CSS was also good
[14:50:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> “CSS is like violence.  If it's not working, use more.“
[14:51:26] <BlankEclair>	 the person who made a css keylogger: >:D
[14:51:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> what
[14:51:59] <BlankEclair>	 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ6t7AImTdE
[14:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Should i granmer fix the quote
[14:57:20] <BlankEclair>	 nah
[14:58:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> CSS is like violence.  If it's not working, use more.
[15:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> anyways if you feel like it feel free to msg me on fedi whenever, im gonna see about writing my design process//blog post for vigil(if anyone wants to see what i got lmk)
[15:04:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What are the requirements this thing needs to meet
[15:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> When I manage the wiki's extensions it asks me for a reason and was wondering if you guys could see those ? I think some of you might have a good laugh I get it my way 🤣
[15:12:18] <RhinosF1>	 Yes we can
[15:12:20] <RhinosF1>	 They are public
[15:12:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/sassy-gif-25178355
[15:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🙃
[15:13:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> smh
[15:14:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you should see my edit summaries when dealing with css
[15:16:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 😅
[15:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Somehow I feel scared
[15:16:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> not an unwise choice
[15:17:21] <BlankEclair>	 one bad thing about me having a test wiki to draft changes on is that i don't really shitpost that much in edit summaries anymore
[15:17:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> the price we pay for power
[15:18:01] <BlankEclair>	 with great power comes great responsibility
[15:18:02] <BlankEclair>	 - sudo
[15:18:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Exactly
[15:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Argh, starting a wiki is hard, I don't know where to look at I have some much stuff to transition on the new one 👀
[15:18:43] <BlankEclair>	 yeah ikr
[15:18:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Which is why I still wonder wjy I’m both GA and Discord Mod
[15:18:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> are you migrating?
[15:19:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Also
[15:19:01] <BlankEclair>	 editing one is easier, even if it's several years out of date
[15:19:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> amen brother
[15:19:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I don’t really edit locally anymore
[15:19:31] <BlankEclair>	 eh?
[15:19:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> to Ael not you claire
[15:19:51] <BlankEclair>	 ah
[15:19:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> From Fandom yeah, got a lot of complains about it being unreadable and performance killer with the adds that I don't see and was told I would be more free here in term of possibilities.
[15:20:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> my apologies for the confusion
[15:20:25] <BlankEclair>	 it's okay ^_^
[15:20:39] <BlankEclair>	 i was about to say "sorry" until i realized that it wasn't my fault
[15:21:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 😅
[15:21:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Reminded me
[15:21:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270038983623315498/image.png?ex=66b23f79&is=66b0edf9&hm=81ffe0e1ca66dc1912425d22c9fd147c96b079692980721a74cf6aa864b2a6b1&
[15:22:05] <BlankEclair>	 workflow xkcd
[15:22:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yup
[15:22:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270039230822875216/image.png?ex=66b23fb4&is=66b0ee34&hm=f9d1746b5c7ab0b9518d87925ad0d489fe1a229d8ecf7cd9d1bd7f66e1aca141&
[15:22:29] <BlankEclair>	 especially the heating one lol
[15:23:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🤣
[15:23:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> This is referring to the moved https://minecraft.wiki
[15:24:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah heard about that, the old one is in civil war mode I think 😅
[15:25:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Not really civil
[15:25:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> more like people swarming with vandalism and a single admin defending
[15:25:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/doctor-who-ruby-sunday-nuwho-millie-gibson-confused-gif-3727141571799100404
[15:25:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> its sad
[15:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> since the edits just boost its seo
[15:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> before a recent YouTube video the vandalism waa subtle and really funny
[15:26:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> see https://youtu.be/FDcbnVH9w18?si=TYXFpgUXXV89S9pj
[15:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah saw it
[15:26:51] <BlankEclair>	 you think someone would make a crowdsourced fandom vandalism bot?
[15:26:56] <BlankEclair>	 something like adnauseum
[15:27:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> hm?
[15:27:16] <BlankEclair>	 as in a bot that would vandalism wikis
[15:27:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hope not
[15:27:36] <BlankEclair>	 hmm yeah
[15:27:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> just helps their seo
[15:27:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We tend to be in the business of countering vandalism
[15:27:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> not causing it
[15:28:06] <BlankEclair>	 it's like "don't give them more ideas"
[15:28:11] <BlankEclair>	 forgot about that mantra xd
[15:28:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> [[WP:BEANS]]
[15:28:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BEANS>
[15:28:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, the best one shall do after leaving fandom is not touching it
[15:28:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> let it rot
[15:28:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> invest in new wikis first and foremost
[15:30:52] <RhinosF1>	 BlankEclair: I mean we've had people create bots to counter their own vandalism
[15:33:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to RhinosF1> ..elaborate
[15:33:42] <RhinosF1>	 You don't know who?
[15:38:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Can’t think of them
[15:39:31] <BlankEclair>	 turns out that i sent the dm anyway lol
[15:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Argh, was looking at the extensions I could enable and when I finalized it said about Something Front End wasn't meeting requirements and it before I could read it fully it was gone and so was my list 😭
[16:07:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Fun fact: the extensions list has a search bar. 🙂
[16:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> You're overestimating my memory 🤣
[16:07:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> But yeah, it was probably MobileFrontEnd
[16:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Anyway, noticed that despite the error message it had actually enabled everything I selecetedf
[16:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Oh shoot, I skipped over some words by accident, an error flashed, I see.
[16:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Will take some time to wrap my head around every differences in comparison to Fandom, tho being able to choose a skin and make it default is already amazing !
[16:09:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to notaracham> Yeah a quick read thing on the side and it mentioned that but apparently it worked so no idea
[16:12:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> haha! If you think that’s good just wait till you see the rest of managewiki
[16:12:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-gif-25786623
[16:15:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> not mentioning the possibility of making direct pull request additions to backend settings if needed
[16:15:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Sounds cool 👀 
[16:15:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] -# I've no idea what that is 🤣
[16:15:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://64.media.tumblr.com/b1a8c0dac84b87bc9408950d18c52cbb/b7d336775368ed16-82/s540x810/92411d2ad17cf9c071cffb9504ea9f241b322896.gif
[16:18:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> if you need to do something by putting configuration or code directly on the servers because its too complex for managewiki you can
[16:19:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hell you could write your own extension
[16:19:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Short version: Even with all the things available out of box, we potentially support extremely deep customization beyond that.
[16:20:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thats the smart mans answer yes
[16:20:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 😮
[16:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Mmh weird, the default skin thing doesn't seem to apply for non-logged users (checked in private mode)
[16:23:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Caching, it'll fix itself in time.
[16:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Ah okay, with fandom I got used to check stuff in private 😅
[16:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Logged in vs logged out use different server cache solutions.
[16:24:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Ah, no worries.  Usually it isn't terribly long to see updates reflected in private.
[16:25:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Soon I will need to write a to-do list to remember what to do 🤣
[16:25:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> If you're testing out CSS changes, making the modifcations under your personal preferences' version of custom CSS will display near-instantly, vs the MediaWiki css page
[16:25:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The latter can take a few minutes to start showing up.
[16:26:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> In preferences right ? Saw the links and didn't realize
[16:26:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> dont forget circling twice around the redwood tree counterclockwise at 7 past noon every other tuesday
[16:26:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep, preferences >> appearance >> Custom CSS for the skin you're working on.
[16:27:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> https://tenor.com/view/uh-nevermind-then-nevermind-gif-14214319
[16:29:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> and sacrifice either a bull OR oxen never both
[16:29:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Oh that's how you change the favicon.. So used to actually replace the wiki's icon but here I have to link the new one.
[16:30:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep, Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling is your friend for all the logo/icon/favicon styling stuff
[16:31:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The Cosmos skin as well exposes a lot of its settings there
[16:31:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Went with the Citizen because I always loved it
[16:31:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Cosmos is also closest to Fandoms look
[16:31:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> ONG
[16:32:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> -# Don't you mean OMG ? 🙃
[16:32:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> No actually
[16:33:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ONG(or, ON GOD)
[16:33:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> ;sw
[16:33:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> is the new kid slang
[16:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://wiktionary.org/wiki/ong
[16:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to raidarr> not that new
[16:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> beats the gen a brainrot
[16:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270057450774728806/image.png?ex=66b250ac&is=66b0ff2c&hm=6e8dbbd147efeb84e0801a13dc9f774f850fa9e0d2fd887b130f9f716a88385c&
[16:36:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> apparently it joined the dictionary aug 22
[16:36:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> new for me >.>
[16:37:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to raidarr> huh
[16:39:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://wiktionary.org/wiki/on_god
[16:39:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> idk
[16:40:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Wild, first I'm hearing of it too.
[16:55:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to notaracham> Gonna use it already, not ready to commit on adding a wiki-wide CSS just for button yet 😅
[17:01:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Mmh I might be doing something wrong or the code I use doesn't work here, a lot to learn for sure 🤔
[17:02:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you might need to wait a bit or purge cache to see CSS start working
[17:02:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Using the personal one as suggested by NorAracham
[17:02:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also idk if element inspector was revelead as a tool of initial CSS poking to you
[17:03:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah
[17:03:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Inspector is gold
[17:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Unless personal css doesn't apply to editing previews N
[17:08:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It does
[17:10:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Oh silly me, typo...
[17:10:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/anime-fustration-headbanging-gif-18645069
[17:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Also caveat on editing previews, a few things may not always fully render in previews due to compute cost.
[17:15:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Don't remember them all off top of mind, though.
[17:15:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah had some cases with fandom but it was more that it wasn't 1:1 so more or less similar-ish
[17:41:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Mmh that's gonna sound really dumb but where do I do the Wiki Nav ? Fandom made it unrealisticly simple by having a page directly from the admin menu so I don't know where to look at 🤣
[17:42:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> MediaWiki:Sidebar if you mean navigation thingy
[17:42:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> All the main links etc yeah
[17:42:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Which part
[17:43:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> iirc fandom's navigation uses the same bullet list format
[17:43:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Okay, found it thx Pix ! Not named the same
[17:43:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you're using Cosmos skin tho it's gonna be MediaWiki:Cosmos-navigation
[17:44:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Thank Legroom he found the sidebar thong
[17:46:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Oh that's a first 😮
[17:46:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270075464458698814/image.png?ex=66b26173&is=66b10ff3&hm=06358b27b40edfd53d7b23fd28e90b8ca602ded7184deb494d196126b8e89efa&
[17:46:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's just a warning for beginner admins
[17:47:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Okay so no worries I can just add the pages I want there like any nav
[17:49:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> All those differences are first surprising and secondly scary. in that page there's for example Search, Toolbox and Languages tho i'm scared to even ask what it would allow 👀
[17:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> You guys have some scary yet powerful tools
[17:49:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's actually vanilla MediaWiki
[17:50:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Fandom heavily modified it
[17:50:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> dumbed down even
[17:50:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah I see that now
[17:50:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Fandom has MediaWiki:Sidebar
[17:50:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It just doesn't do anything
[17:52:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> ElasticSearch, Cargo, SMW, Wikibase, DPL, etc: laughs in jesus christ please work
[17:52:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🤣
[17:52:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> Where dat avatar from
[17:52:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> https://tenor.com/view/i-like-this-guy-proud-shameless-joel-mckinnon-miller-scully-gif-13252368
[17:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Our entire infra could be described as scary yet powerful given the state it's in
[17:53:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Better than have it was
[17:53:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Wikimedia: stares down in pity
[17:54:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but we still do awsome
[17:54:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Wikimedia's infrastructure is both a wonder and a nightmare
[17:55:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> _looks at @theresnotime_
[17:56:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Best of both worlds
[18:00:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Question before I do something I might regret, what does the Search, Toolbox and Languages do in the Sidebar, they all three have a `*` like they are buttons or something 🤔
[18:01:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> to be honest, I never questioned that myself lol
[18:02:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> languages would work w/ translate extension, I assume
[18:02:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if anything you can revert any edit
[18:02:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> MediaWiki pages have history as well
[18:03:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> True 😅
[18:04:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> languages iirc lets people set the localization for their wiki's interface, I don't really use it
[18:04:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> [1/2] toolbox is basically
[18:04:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270080049437212762/image.png?ex=66b265b8&is=66b11438&hm=5d12d0445482b47610e20fb8a22ece0c407bf5ef794c6aba0433adf1a08e7ad2&
[18:04:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> As long it's not a "have to create a wiki and then request to link to 'translate' ", Fandom's way of translating was a pain because my second wiki kept being closed because it wasn't as active and having to recreate every template was a pain too..
[18:05:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I'm pretty search is more of a legacy thing for something like monobook but someone more credible should confirm or correct
[18:05:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to raidarr> Might be the skin I don't see tools here, using Citizen
[18:06:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> yeah, skins decide what they want to do
[18:06:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> they loosely adapt the sidebar and in some cases they have completely different interface messages they want to use instead
[18:06:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Correct
[18:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> supporting translation or different lang wiki is a tricky subject, I used to admin 2 eng and 2 ru wikis at the same time (and eventually burned out cus 95% of the time I was alone lol)
[18:06:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Search is for monobook (so note changing it will change monobook)
[18:07:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Wikipedia and Fandom approach is that another lang wiki is a whole seperate community
[18:07:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> so there will be differences
[18:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> [1/2] it visualizes nicely on monobook
[18:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270080885642756157/image.png?ex=66b26680&is=66b11500&hm=a3e99b86c4b27256aecfe2f75ba6b8926d878d6c53ebf0cdd41abb080be940a1&
[18:08:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Ah, I mean if I had been allowed to do `PAGE_NAME/LANGUAGE_1` and `PAGE_NAME/LANGUAGE_2` it would had been way easier for me I wouldn't had needed to create a second wiki
[18:08:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that a seconf method, Translate extension
[18:08:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but honestly
[18:08:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> you could do it manually that way here, use the translate extension to automate (would multiply page complexity
[18:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's so shitty lol
[18:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> a split wiki could be a thing if it could be maintained somewhat well
[18:08:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the translate extension is a bane tbh but some like it
[18:09:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if you go using Translate it means that you get one wiki and the other lang content on it should be one to one to originals
[18:09:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but in very rare cases some wikis do this thing manually, w/o extension
[18:10:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> translate does automatically organize in a way that would be awkward to figure by hand
[18:11:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> I see
[18:14:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Just noticed something and I assume it's a setting to enable but you don't have search and replace in source mode ?
[18:15:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I'm not aware of it, but personally  when I'm editing pages at scale I will do it in notepad++ where I have that among other utilities, in addition to a guaranteed text backup
[18:16:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 😅
[18:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Too smart to be real 🤣
[18:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wait there's search
[18:16:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and replace
[18:16:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> With Fandom yeah, I use it a lot but can't find it here
[18:16:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270083094405451816/2024-08-05_21_16_40.png?ex=66b2688e&is=66b1170e&hm=966db34d7798d2f140b6d7694543b13bd231ccc2f7101ef804c548b6cd277367&
[18:16:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> Oh nice
[18:16:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m still waiting on them to finish adding edit recovery to core
[18:16:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 👀
[18:16:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> where
[18:17:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Advanced?
[18:17:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Ah so unlike fandom it's not triggered by ctrl-f
[18:17:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> in CSS/JS editor Ctrl+F actually works
[18:17:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's differnt too
[18:17:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah not in the sandbox with source editor
[18:18:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I vaguelly remember something about 2017 editor in user preferences
[18:18:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> or was it 2010
[18:18:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I forgor
[18:20:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Edit recovery is live in Wikimedia but not mira huh
[18:20:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Search Highlight being like : YOU SEE IT ?* 😅
[18:20:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270084032570327152/image.png?ex=66b2696e&is=66b117ee&hm=d6e0cef0ddad1a8d9dd1ce3653b5e7ac11fa7c8243ca653ddaeae4c741156197&
[18:22:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh wait are we missing out
[18:23:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @rhinosf1 [[mw:Help:EditRecovery]] has been added to MW core already and is enabled with a config flag
[18:23:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:EditRecovery>
[18:23:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> should i make a PR to add it?
[18:23:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> All the docs say there’s no other setup needed
[18:23:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @pixldev go for it
[18:24:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hell yeah
[18:24:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Isn't that a wishlist proposal
[18:24:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So you can blame @theresnotime if it all explodes
[18:24:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Why does it feel like Christmas is early for you ? 😅
[18:24:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> <3
[18:24:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theresnotime> yay!
[18:24:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Have you ever felt the pain and suffering of writing an article for 3 hours only to lose and tab and all progress at the end
[18:25:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yup 🤣
[18:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theresnotime> I guessed right then, it is your lovely work?
[18:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theresnotime> Partly yup :3
[18:25:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to pixldev> Also a reason why I added preview without reload to not loose my CTRL-Z history 🤣
[18:25:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theresnotime> Nice
[18:26:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> This fixes that
[18:27:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @rhinosf1 should i make this global or managewiki. The issue with manage wiki is you can’t make it default afaik
[18:28:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Is it a config var?
[18:28:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Imo it should be enabled globally with an opt out if possible
[18:28:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> `$wgEnableEditRecovery`
[18:28:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i think
[18:28:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> you can make config vars default to true
[18:28:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There's a defaults option
[18:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[mw:Manual:EditRecovery]]
[18:28:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:EditRecovery>
[18:28:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> we ball
[18:30:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @rhinosf1 file under editing or beta settings
[18:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> since this is a temporary feature flag per docs
[18:31:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> If you guys enable it I assume it enables it for everyone right !n
[18:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Thats mad that it only just came out
[18:31:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Well there are two levels of settings
[18:31:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Wiki level which im working on
[18:31:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> 1.41
[18:32:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> and each user enabling
[18:32:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> shocked as well
[18:32:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I'm talking in the respect of Fandom had it on 1.19
[18:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thought it was 1.42
[18:32:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> fandom is fandom
[18:33:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Oh F, I need to rethink my nav, the way I had it doesn't work here 👀
[18:33:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270087228567326721/image.png?ex=66b26c68&is=66b11ae8&hm=7b73e757a7d17ae0da604536998b22726983d061ccf2a449ac4ba222214ca14e&
[18:33:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> Rip
[18:33:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Editing
[18:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's not a beta feature is it
[18:33:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Or is it
[18:34:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Beta if it's beta
[18:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] sigh
[18:34:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270087431739281418/2024-08-05_21_33_53.png?ex=66b26c98&is=66b11b18&hm=fabe1e9625d3c86af0626edeea6f31079b6dc1be66285af158df05b7024f1de0&
[18:34:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @theresnotime help me
[18:34:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Its a temporary feature flag
[18:34:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Which is not the same as beta
[18:34:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Do users have to enable it in beta settings?
[18:34:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Yes
[18:34:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Its under editing on wikimedia prefs
[18:34:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> rhinos, are we still nerfing google bots?
[18:34:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> So no
[18:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No _its not a beta feature_
[18:35:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Then it's editing
[18:35:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theresnotime> It'll just appear under editing prefs
[18:35:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Got it
[18:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Hopefully not
[18:35:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ill make the PR
[18:35:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I tried to fix that this morning
[18:35:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That's what https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/808001911868489748/1269916166348996659 was
[18:35:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> im sorry rhinos are managewiki settings just not alphabetical
[18:36:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> No idea
[18:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Haven't added a setting in a long time
[18:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Well easier for me
[18:36:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> well p r p h c t isn’t the alphabet sooooo
[18:37:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ill just slap it on the end
[18:37:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Isn't it grouped
[18:37:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Into each settings page
[18:37:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Managewiki settings should be alphabetical.
[18:38:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Looks like someone broke that rule though and everyone followed suit
[18:39:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Oh extension list is alphabetical
[18:39:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @originalauthority you want to do https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12427#248546 which I've got you
[18:39:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> should i make a task for this or just pr
[18:40:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Just do it
[18:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It only needs a task if there's some tracking
[18:40:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Like SSL
[18:40:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Used to be
[18:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So we can see who requested it when
[18:41:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cause all of memories are awful
[18:41:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> This is obvious
[18:42:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to rhinosf1> I'm eating dinner rn but after that yeah
[18:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> That's early for you
[18:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Normally I wonder why you're having it so late
[18:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I knoe
[18:45:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I only had breakfast which was toast today tho im starved
[18:46:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You shouldn't skip meals
[18:46:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Does mw help text support links
[18:47:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> okay yes
[18:59:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Daaammnnn it
[18:59:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i may not be able to commit til tmr @rhinosf1
[18:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> authenitzation issues
[18:59:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Okay
[19:00:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> lemme see if i can work around it
[19:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> if not ill be able to fix tmr
[19:01:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Nope
[19:01:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> oh well
[19:01:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ive waited this long
[19:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i can wait a day
[19:02:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> back to writing my maybe blog
[19:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> gotta say i like how this draft thing id turning out
[19:06:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Uhh can't manage to find a page talking about how to use "MediaWiki:Licenses", I found about to change the wiki license but not about what I assume is to add custom license like "Fair Use" or equivalent, any ideas ?
[19:09:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Fair Use isn't a license
[19:09:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-huh-what-gif-2480734549943489640
[19:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's a way to be exempt from copyright
[19:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You can't license a thing under fair use
[19:10:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> don't confuse the lad lol
[19:10:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You use fair use to allow you to use copyrighted material
[19:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Then go say that to Fandom who names that under "image license" 🤣
[19:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [1/4] MediaWiki:Licenses is used for dropdown menu on Special:Upload
[19:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [2/4] it requires you to create license templates first
[19:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [3/4] for example
[19:11:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [4/4] <https://gogigantic.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Licenses>
[19:12:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270097015660875946/2024-08-05_22_12_00.png?ex=66b27585&is=66b12405&hm=feffc9ace5062f0d6a88b9539d2a848249a9e3ca64216e7a741028b34bbb1011&
[19:12:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> templates can be added manually too, ofc
[19:12:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aels224> Ye that's correct though
[19:12:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Okay yeah I see, thx
[19:12:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That drop down isn't a list of licenses
[19:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I mean, techincally yeah
[19:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's you describing why you can use that image
[19:12:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> but in fact it used for that
[19:12:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> How you obtained the licensing to do it
[19:12:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> adding a template
[19:13:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Not what the license is
[19:13:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Well yeah 😅
[19:34:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Oh found a secret button 🤣
[19:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270102751812255965/20240805-1934-35.4386371.mp4?ex=66b27add&is=66b1295d&hm=e77c293c894c6af42f7bb16a62f7057128930fb2006e59557f627f143a4037ff&
[19:35:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> I'd consider applying `column-count: 3;` or above
[19:35:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aels224> That's a bug
[19:35:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Not sure where that message is from
[19:35:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But please report it to somewhere
[19:36:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It might be ULS
[19:36:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> it is
[19:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Or whatever skin you're using
[19:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> It's on all pages
[19:36:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Citizen *
[19:36:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to songngu.xyz> 🤔
[19:36:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to aels224> @atxatx is that a citizen or a ULS bug?
[19:36:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> Citizen's SkinStyles should help fix it I believe, unless it's not currently working
[19:40:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to songngu.xyz> Ah no no, its that I used to have more sub levels on fandom and it doesn't work with citizen, it doesn't go further than `` which is similar to how fandom didn't allow more than `` I think
[19:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> it's just how the skin work by itself so meh
[19:41:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah
[19:42:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to rhinosf1> i mistaken it instead of [[mw:Extension:Language Selector]]
[19:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Language_Selector>
[19:42:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> which by itself, do not have an SkinStyles attached to it
[19:43:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> drop the link here
[19:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> ?
[19:43:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Of my wiki you mean ?
[19:44:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> y
[19:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] Sure, here it is 🙂
[19:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://aelsworkshop.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:49:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> so basically what it does is to only attach a selection dropdown for us to change the language
[19:50:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> I guess it's something with codex or whatever library the extension uses
[19:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [1/7] I got something for this in my experience
[19:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [2/7] ```css
[19:59:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [3/7] form#languageselector-form-1 {
[19:59:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [4/7]     background-color: var(--color-surface-4);
[19:59:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [5/7]     filter: var(--filter-invert);
[19:59:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [6/7] }
[19:59:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> [7/7] ```
[20:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Nice worked perfectly 😃
[20:01:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270109494612852877/image.png?ex=66b28125&is=66b12fa5&hm=b62edc8450ecdf74d532926ed991e258603c1dabe06534697c7ba4d74ad2bcc8&
[20:02:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to aels224> I guess that I made someone's day today
[20:02:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/2] 🙂
[20:02:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270109698057703557/image.png?ex=66b28155&is=66b12fd5&hm=71f624522f1c21c3e051a6ecddd0658332d59821ad099626ccafff2576aedc0e&
[20:02:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> gonna take some interviews with Wikimedia DE soon after lunch
[20:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 😅
[20:03:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> ah shit, it's 3 in the morning already
[20:03:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Oh shoot you scared me 👀
[20:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 10pm here 😓
[20:04:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> https://tenor.com/view/goodbyechat-goodbye-chat-discord-funny-gif-22499294
[20:04:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 〰️
[20:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 👋🏼
[20:04:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to songngu.xyz> Congrats
[20:04:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And good luck
[20:04:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to rhinosf1> clarify: it's for their UX research
[20:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to songngu.xyz> Oh still cool
[20:05:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I thought you meant like job
[20:05:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Whose doing the research?
[20:05:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to rhinosf1> Wikibase Cloud
[20:06:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to songngu.xyz> That's not a person
[20:06:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to rhinosf1> ah right, Annie reached out to me
[20:07:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> BigBlueButton actions and stuffs
[20:07:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> No idea who they are
[20:08:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to rhinosf1> [1/2] I'm definitely need some sleeps rn so here is a crappy screenshot of the email
[20:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to rhinosf1> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270111211283026102/K.png?ex=66b282be&is=66b1313e&hm=b2d47c696d2074eeb08f1d97ad5cd86dd603bac06dab90ee1c27f7869b8a9ade&
[20:08:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> a d i o s
[20:09:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cool
[20:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Oh, just realized that I will have to do with several JS Extensions I had been used to work with 😰
[20:23:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> you mean fandom's ImportJS?
[20:23:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah
[20:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, will have to manually copy scripts from their Dev Wiki
[20:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Wait, I can do that ? 👀
[20:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I do that all the time, but some of them might not work right away
[20:24:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🤯
[20:24:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> for example I used decorated tooltips and a kind person here modified it to work on MIraheze
[20:24:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> lots of them are fandom specific
[20:24:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it refused to work at first
[20:24:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We have no restrictions on JSS / CSS beyond on special pages and the CSP
[20:25:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i wanna get more people to do a drive of sorts of porting fandom stuff here
[20:25:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah right, fandom's moderation
[20:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I forgot it's a thing
[20:25:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> anyway, Navbox and NavboxBuilder modules work nicely after copying lol
[20:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/13] What I use, tho don't ask why I have Portal.js here since as far I know it doesn't need to be 🤣 
[20:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/13] ```
[20:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [3/13] dev:Tooltips.js
[20:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [4/13] dev:Discord.js
[20:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [5/13] dev:MediaWiki:LastEdited/code.js
[20:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [6/13] Portal.js
[20:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [7/13] dev:AjaxBatchDelete.js
[20:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [8/13] <!--dev:AjaxRename/code.js-->
[20:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [9/13] dev:MassRename/code.js
[20:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [10/13] dev:FileUsageAuto-update/code.js
[20:26:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [11/13] dev:PageRenameAuto-update/code.js
[20:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [12/13] dev:MapsExtended.js
[20:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [13/13] ```
[20:26:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> I played a lot with Tooltips on the fandom wiki
[20:26:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Someone port message wall and comments!
[20:27:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah it's actually same tooltips I use
[20:27:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> The one that allows you to use a template as content to display ?
[20:28:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] yeah
[20:28:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270116195789574185/2024-08-05_23_28_10.png?ex=66b28762&is=66b135e2&hm=a39f82d621b23edead14f6ebe37ebf2be2071870f36c2210502a7cf8d78afb0b&
[20:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/3] He he, I went crazy with it 😅 
[20:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/3] Here's what I have on my fandom
[20:28:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270116307068649503/image.png?ex=66b2877d&is=66b135fd&hm=93058c7d9de8fd5dbd6c59bd0e710f37eecd9a7a8d474db42a46bae79c00f651&
[20:28:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] here's the code
[20:28:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://gogigantic.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js#L-52>
[20:29:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 🫂
[20:29:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> one thing tho, you'll have to add a hack in its CSS
[20:29:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Other than that I assume it's more or less the same ?
[20:29:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> <https://gogigantic.wiki/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css#L-208>
[20:30:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> yeah
[20:30:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gotta make templates and stuff
[20:30:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Reminds me, how do you guys feel about a CSS/JS file per thing ? instead of a giant one.
[20:31:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> haven't done them in a while after discovering TemplateStyles lol
[20:31:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/confused-confused-look-confused-face-huh-what-gif-2480734549943489640
[20:32:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> [1/5] well it would be essentially the same as just not using TLS between Cloudflare and mw*. https://developers.cloudflare.com/ssl/origin-configuration/ssl-modes/full/#limitations:
[20:32:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> [2/5] ```
[20:32:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> [3/5] The certificate presented by the origin will not be validated in any way. It can be expired, self-signed, or not even have a matching CN/SAN entry for the hostname requested.
[20:32:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> [4/5] Without using Full (strict), a malicious party could technically hijack the connection and present their own certificate.
[20:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> [5/5] ```
[20:33:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> aren’t you making message walls
[20:33:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> also: commentstreams
[20:33:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to bluemoon0332> No it wouldn't
[20:33:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [1/3] oh you'll love them
[20:33:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [2/3] [[mw:Extension:TemplateStyles]]
[20:33:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [3/3] in short - it lets you to store styles of templates separately as CSS subpages and they will load only if template is actually on the page, pretty much making Common.css lighter > no need for @import of other big CSS pages
[20:33:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles>
[20:33:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There's still TLS there
[20:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It can just be self signed
[20:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It still encrypts
[20:34:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's just not validated
[20:34:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> if there's no verification at all of the certificate is there a point?
[20:34:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> [1/2] yeah i have this so far but it looks too similar to Fandom I need to change it up
[20:34:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270117670796136579/Screenshot_2024-08-05_at_21.33.50.png?ex=66b288c2&is=66b13742&hm=79481eb96bfede60697de4963d951f4a56b806c0fb6060d41bfbedc1303c8e07&
[20:34:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to bluemoon0332> Well ye you still need it to encrypt the traffic
[20:34:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> That's freaking amazing, can it does conditional styling with that ? 👀
[20:35:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> please sir make it not suck
[20:35:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i think there’s a fandom script for improved prose editor
[20:35:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> not sure wdym by conditional (I gotta sleep lol)
[20:36:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> but anyone in the path between FiberState and Cloudflare can just present their own self-signed cert and pretend to be us.
[20:36:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to bluemoon0332> Yes
[20:36:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We could look at Argo tunnels
[20:36:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Ah well i used to have an infobox with a color when it has a particular title. Also thx for the info good night ! 🙂
[20:37:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> if they aren't too much of a pain, sure
[20:37:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> Night Ael
[20:37:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Not me Legroom 😅
[20:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> He said he had to sleep 😅
[20:37:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to bluemoon0332> Eh
[20:38:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh
[20:38:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hey siri what time is it in russia
[20:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> not that late actually
[20:38:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> well in moscow
[20:38:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> no idea where leg lives
[20:39:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> It ranges from 11pm to 7am 👀
[20:40:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Russia big
[20:40:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> we have PortableInfobox and I believe theming works here too and should work w/ TS
[20:40:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 👍🏼
[20:40:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> im in moscow timezone lol
[20:41:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Only an hour ahead 😛
[20:41:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Okay ive stayed up later playing Miraheze SMP
[20:46:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/7] Okay on my imaginary list I have :
[20:46:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/7] - Page Background
[20:46:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [3/7] - Per Namespace Themed Background (if possible)
[20:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [4/7] - Tooltips
[20:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [5/7] - Infoboxes
[20:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [6/7] - Rest (don't ask why it's here I don't know)
[20:46:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [7/7] - Portals
[20:46:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Tho it's not really in order 🤔
[20:55:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> PortableInfobox is still broken on Parsoid so kiss goodbye to that soon ™️
[20:56:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Still a good 18 months to go
[20:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We should probably restrict broken exts though with the new release
[20:56:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cause people can start opting in
[20:56:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you know how important PI is?
[20:57:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yup
[20:57:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Unfortunately its just not compatible with Parsoid and I really don't think there is a workaround—it just simply isn't compatible.
[20:58:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I'm nervous for the parsoid rollout
[20:58:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Unless they keep the option to opt-in to the old parser like they were talking about.
[20:58:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's not going to be easy nor fun
[20:58:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Not forever
[20:58:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> An LTS at least
[20:58:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Likely 2
[20:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> They never said whether it would be temporary or permenantly available iirc.
[20:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 2 LTS is still 4 years.
[20:59:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Which by then likely something else will have come along
[20:59:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It will only be temp
[20:59:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> They won't support 2 parsers forever
[20:59:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> really?
[21:00:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It'll likely be indefinite
[21:00:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> yeah
[21:00:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And probably until wmf completes their migration too
[21:00:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We can’t abandon PI
[21:00:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I wouldn't put faith that it will be fixable
[21:00:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Can someone check how many wikis use it
[21:00:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I'm intrigued to see how Fandom deals with it
[21:01:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> remind me which version of mw they're on now?
[21:01:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 1.43 is deployed on wikimedia
[21:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> fansom i mean
[21:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> scheduled for december release
[21:01:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> 1.39.7
[21:02:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> still doesn't support ES6 in JS LOL
[21:02:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> what a company
[21:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> will take them another decade to get there probably lol
[21:02:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> thought it was 19 ngl
[21:02:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> they’ll just make their own parser ngl
[21:03:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Is there any way to fix PI? whats the issue with parsoid
[21:04:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Parsoid doesn't grant access to the full context like the legacy parser
[21:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> stuff can only access parsoid elements that are passed to them
[21:05:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> aight now fr good night lol
[21:05:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> 👋🏼
[21:06:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> I think I will go too, my neck is killing me, have been more active today than the last months
[21:24:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to aels224> oof, feel better man
[21:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> por que
[21:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But PI only affects the box which is passed through xml
[21:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> The entirety of portablr infobox goes through a <> tag so it neefd to pass through the parser
[21:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> so it is all passed, whats the issue
[21:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Because Parser doesnt grant access to the whole Parser context
[21:44:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Theres no way for PI to access what it needs
[21:53:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> what does it need that it don’t have
[21:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Dunno haven't looked into it
[21:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Dont really care for PIs its a bit of a gimmick
[22:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> that gimmick for better or worse backs a sizeable portion of our wikis
[22:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> can you render a PI box on parsoid?
[22:43:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No because PIs are incompatable with Parsoid.
[22:43:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1270150141860515923/image0.gif?ex=66b2a700&is=66b15580&hm=f2665a1a56482328e83d7e2fc50e8f016ed9941194315e5374dbd02f8cea7c41&
[22:44:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> to see what happens when you try
[22:44:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> or would it give a backend error
[22:46:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It just doesnt get parsed
[22:46:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> The parser just ignores it
[23:01:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> how much work would it take to fix
[23:01:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> would it be large patches or a whole rewrite
[23:02:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I dont know
[23:04:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Note to self: look into parsoid and PI code to assess possibility of a fix
[23:13:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> There are already tickets open on MediaWiki phab and The Foundation said they will implement a fix but its not urgent.
[23:31:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> They provide support for PI
[23:31:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ?
[23:31:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No
[23:31:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But they have committed to aid in fixing stuff they broke as a result of parsoid