[02:08:23] <PixDeVl>	 Anyone understand how Wikimedia's revscoring library and ORES worked? on an implementation level
[06:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://www.developer-tech.com/news/gitlab-is-reportedly-up-for-sale/
[06:25:26] <RhinosF1>	 For ORES, talk to the ML team
[06:25:35] <RhinosF1>	 I think it's still Luca and Calvin
[06:25:37] <RhinosF1>	 They are fine
[07:48:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/3] In #general a user requests the latest updates on these two extensions.
[07:48:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OreDict
[07:48:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tilesheets
[07:49:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> See:https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1272818597902946304
[07:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> @MediaWiki Specialists
[08:57:36] <BlankEclair>	 i feel like this could be something you could ask on phorge, no?
[08:57:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <c.syde65> Phorge?
[09:00:06] <BlankEclair>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge
[09:05:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to rodejong> the enshittification of gitlab will begin immediately after they are acquired
[09:05:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> mark my words
[09:06:40] <BlankEclair>	 i bet it'd be after one week
[13:40:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @cosmicalpha big man you live?
[13:41:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Xbox live
[13:41:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Windows live messenger
[13:41:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> You’re a mac shill
[13:41:42] <BlankEclair>	 aol messenger
[13:41:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to pixldev> I have a windows pc aswell
[13:42:09] <BlankEclair>	 i added wikitext link support to phorge
[13:42:11] <BlankEclair>	 https://files.catbox.moe/jwshjg.png
[13:42:51] <BlankEclair>	 i want it on mh phorge, but where should the extension be hosted? github.com/miraheze or somewhere else
[13:52:02] <BlankEclair>	 i'll go to sleep... soon-ish; here's the code for now: https://git.average.name/BlankEclair/MediaWikiLinks
[13:52:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Keep telling yourself that
[13:52:40] <BlankEclair>	 hence soon-ish
[14:05:23] <BlankEclair>	 me: wants to go eep and shut down my laptop
[14:05:27] <BlankEclair>	 archiveteam warriors: no :3
[14:05:34] <BlankEclair>	 s/s//
[14:09:31] <BlankEclair>	 screw it, i'll just stop them immediately... also pixldev, you're wrong, i'm gonna eep now :3c
[14:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180
[14:17:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to pixldev> Hey what's going on now?
[14:18:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Wanted to ask bout this since DTech. Also hi hope your having a good day
[14:18:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Oh that is actually pretty cool.
[14:19:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I can host that in our phorge-extensions. I always end up trying to use wikitext there so to have support could be pretty cool.
[14:20:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yooooo
[14:21:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I will review the code and try to add to phorge-extensions tomorrow. It's already getting a bit late tonight.
[14:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> Same haha. How should code stewardship work, put it on Miraheze’s GitHub and give Claire access or smt so she can maintain is along with tech making changes if needed?
[14:22:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> 👍
[14:22:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> giving Claire access to that repo is not really possible
[14:22:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to pixldev> They can always do PRs to update it. Its best for secondary reviews anyway. They don't need direct push access anyway.
[14:23:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Fair
[14:23:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> That repo is automatically pulled on phorge171 on every puppet run
[14:23:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Yep
[14:24:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I mean the extension code itself not the phorge-extensions repo
[14:24:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Or is the code just in the repo
[14:24:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> The code will just be added to the repo
[14:25:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Due to how our extensions work.
[14:26:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ah
[16:02:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> I would love to have [[phab:T12394]] done at some time soon
[16:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12394>
[16:03:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> I will create the PRs
[17:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> what the hell my local mediawiki isn't loading css if i use https but does if I use http lol wtf
[17:14:43] <RhinosF1>	 I have one idea
[17:14:46] <RhinosF1>	 Check dev console
[17:15:05] <RhinosF1>	 Might be a mixed content block if you've got the server variable set to http
[17:23:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> nothing unfortunately how odd
[17:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> not even ?debug=2 gives anything
[17:23:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> stranger
[17:25:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> had just done PR stuffs, first time creating one like this from Github Desktop
[17:25:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> [1/2] <https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5636>
[17:25:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> [2/2] <https://github.com/miraheze/mediawiki-repos/pull/31>
[17:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Check network tab
[17:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Is it making the request
[17:28:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Its weird because its not from a css file loaded through resource loader, its in the <style> tab of a vue/codex component
[17:28:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> which is even weirder lol becuase it works on http
[17:29:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> Is the css always being requested over http though?
[17:30:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> huh?
[17:31:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @originalauthority is the css request being made using http?
[17:31:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Check the network tab in dev console
[17:32:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cause if when you make a https request, it tries to make it using http
[17:32:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Most browsers will reject that
[17:32:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Because it's mixed content
[17:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No, its being made as https. I know whats happening. For some reason when resource loader is parsing the vue file its removing the css for some reason or another
[17:33:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> setting it to `{"css":[]}` when it should be holding the styles
[17:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> that's weird
[17:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Why would Vue change the css
[17:35:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> weird behaviour ill just load it via resourceloader as usual
[17:35:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I hate mediawiki sometimes
[17:36:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> It doesn't. ResourceLoader can't handle a file with <template> and <style> in it, and parse that so what happens at compilation is that the codex resourceloader module removes the <template> and <style> to load separately
[17:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> ResourceLoader sucks bad
[17:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> yes it does
[17:37:41] <RhinosF1>	 Hey PixDeVl
[17:37:53] <RhinosF1>	 PixDeVl: ores experts are ml
[17:38:03] <RhinosF1>	 Luca and Calbon are great
[17:38:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Noted
[17:38:30] <RhinosF1>	 You can join #wikimedia-ml here
[17:38:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m probably going to start off with CluebotNG core with a system that should be easy or switch scoring system to
[17:38:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> With*
[17:38:56] <RhinosF1>	 Cool
[17:38:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to RhinosF1> Am I think
[17:38:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’ll see later
[17:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> Smt I talk a bit about in my wip blog post
[17:39:15] <RhinosF1>	 Ye you are
[17:39:17] <RhinosF1>	 Go talk to them
[17:39:21] <RhinosF1>	 They are cool folks
[17:40:03] <RhinosF1>	 It's not ores anymore though
[17:40:11] <RhinosF1>	 It's liftwing or something I think
[17:40:21] <RhinosF1>	 Liftwing sounds cooler than ores tbh
[17:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yeah
[17:41:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Unfortunately
[17:41:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Liftwing is K8s
[17:41:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And I’ll jump off a bridge before using k8s
[17:43:29] <PixDeVl>	 RhinosF1 the bit from my writing thats  to this
[17:43:37] <PixDeVl>	 "Regardless, cynthia was a literally dead end. I do think revscoring may have potential in use, and believe it was used in [ORES](https://mediawiki.org/wiki/ORES), the Wikimedia Foundation's public revision scoring API system that seemed pretty cool. Buuuut since the FAQ for ORES says "Nobody outside of the [Wikimedia] Machine Learning team has
[17:43:37] <PixDeVl>	 tried [to host it as a public service] yet.", and ORES was offically deprecated in favor of the new kubernetes-based [Liftwing](https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Liftwing)(and yours truly will jump off a bridge before dealing with k8s), AND that's disregarding the *fun* of migrating everything from Wikimedia's hundreads of wikis to our thousands.
[17:43:38] <PixDeVl>	 Sooooooo, yeah... let's move on."
[17:44:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Writing is fun
[17:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @pixldev is there not a public api for liftwing
[17:44:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> For Wikimedia wikis sure
[17:45:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So Miraheze needs k8s
[17:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> The legacy ORES url has been transitioned into calling liftwing in the backend
[17:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Ye I shiver at that thought
[17:45:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> What did I say about the bridge
[17:46:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> I'll take a few ciders and a weeks vacation afterwards to deal with it
[17:46:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I mean
[17:46:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I have jumped off a bridge before to be fair
[17:46:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> just to clear my thought, k8s = kubernetes?
[17:46:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yes
[17:46:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> ye cool
[17:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> And before someone becomes concerned
[17:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> I assume under safe and controlled conditions
[17:47:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It was a movie scene so it’s fine
[17:47:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Into water
[17:47:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ever watched Jaws?
[17:47:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I have more questions
[17:47:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Yes
[17:47:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You know the bridge in it
[17:47:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Go on
[17:47:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> That’s the one
[17:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I even have a shirt
[17:48:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I jumped off the jaws bridge
[17:48:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Why
[17:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> When
[17:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> In Mathas Vineyard
[17:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Vacation
[17:49:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Don't do anything safe
[17:49:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You're not allowed to injure yourself
[17:50:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We'll need you once all our current tech get old and have families
[17:51:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> I guesses someone might need helps later on-
[17:51:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to PixDeVl> Who said that?
[18:41:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> [1/2] gerrit is another learning curve for me
[18:41:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> [2/2] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/translatewiki/+/1062453
[18:53:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Gerrit fucking sucks
[18:53:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I purposefully don't contribute to mediawiki core because of gerrit
[19:02:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz, replying to originalauthority> it is...
[19:04:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <songngu.xyz> i'm going to bed, nighty night
[19:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @originalauthority so does wikimedia gitlab ce
[19:13:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Luv u gitlab
[19:18:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @originalauthority I have no issue with gitlab, I have issue with wikimedia gitlab
[19:18:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> It's a shame they are looking to sell, hopefully the product doesn't degrade too much in new hands
[19:19:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> [1/2] Primarily everything in 
[19:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/GitLab/Migration_status
[19:34:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to songngu.xyz> Ping me this weekend to remind me and I'll review it.
[19:34:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> If no one else does
[19:38:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to rhinosf1> Didn't they stop migrating to Gitlab? I thought that was stopped?
[19:38:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to cosmicalpha> Yes
[19:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Nail on the head
[19:38:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Never should have started
[19:40:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to rhinosf1> I hate Gerrit and Wikimedia Gitlab. But I like gitlab so idk why I don't like theirs lol. I guess Wikimedia just doesn't have any good services for code review.
[19:40:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to cosmicalpha> Why do you hate it?
[19:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to cosmicalpha> Because the implementation is awful and it doesn't work with Wikimedia's code review flow
[19:40:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I agree with you
[19:41:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> they should just email patches imo
[19:41:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Actual gitlab isn't dreadful
[19:41:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's just another failed wikimedia technology migration
[19:41:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And of course XKCD standards
[19:41:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to bluemoon0332> Kernel style
[19:42:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to rhinosf1> it's just email so you can have multiple reviewers give their approval by just replying to patches with LGTM
[19:42:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> seems like the perfect solution
[19:43:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> If its a good solution Wikimedia won't go for it
[19:43:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332> (according to the mw.org page one of their issues with gitlab is allowing multiple reviewers)
[19:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to cosmicalpha> Why though?
[19:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Do you think MediaWiki will last 10 more years?
[19:46:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> How wikimedia works
[19:46:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Yes
[19:46:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Me ✋ combo dev log blog post on my idea to make my own version
[19:46:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Because HOOOOO BOY
[19:47:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I tried to get Cynthia to work
[19:47:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Blog?
[19:48:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cynthia is a mess
[19:48:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> What RhinosF1 said. Just how Wikimedia is and has been for as long as I remember.
[19:48:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> Yeah thought it may be fun to do a blog thing for my dev work
[19:48:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It’s been fun to write
[19:48:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Wonder if all that bad processes slows stuff down
[19:48:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cynthia sent shivers through my spine when I reviewed it after the developers offered it to us
[19:48:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There is like zero tests or CI
[19:49:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> When you said you told replyz you would never let this near our servers, my first thought was “well that’s rude”. Now my thoughts are “that’s still pretty blunt but I mean I couldn’t even compile it :(“ which to be clear I’m not trying to blame on the devs
[19:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If anything the dev community is my favorite part about fandom
[19:50:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Ye there was no way I'm letting that code anywhere near our production infra
[19:50:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It's a security risk waiting to happen
[19:51:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to pixldev> For some reason seeing "Community" and "Fandom" in the same sentence seems odd to me.
[19:51:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> PFFFT
[19:51:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Fair
[19:52:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh btw I also have no intention of learning to write tests so have fun having another aneurism reading VIGIL
[19:52:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> You got to remember I assure systems at work that could impact lives if they go wrong
[19:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to pixldev> I used to hate tests as I didn't understand them but no I love them and do them for a ton of stuff in numerous languages. I always learn how in new languages if I can lol
[19:53:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And also ruin reputations of big stuff
[19:53:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I have an aversion to many security and safety things
[19:53:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> And you got to remember I never once took an actual professional programming class for best practices or integrity or shit. Remind me again how I’m going to get a job in software
[19:54:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Because I will drive you insane
[19:54:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And I will write you a bloody reference
[19:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to rhinosf1> I wish someone like you ensured things worked at large companies like CrowdStrike sometimes.
[19:54:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Also I expect the little ones to be stupid
[19:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You learn
[19:54:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> LMAO
[19:54:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That's why I'm here, so if you do something stupid, nothing bad happens
[19:54:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I kinda forgot about thay
[19:55:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i think someone made https://clownstrike.lol after that
[19:55:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We don't complain at people for making mistakes or not being shown stuff
[19:55:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Just ask
[19:55:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And if you do something stupid, say
[19:55:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I can fix most cockups if we know they happen
[19:56:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to pixldev> 🤣
[19:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to rhinosf1> Yep...
[19:56:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to cosmicalpha> Big regex L from CrowdStrike
[19:56:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And honestly @pixldev, you won't be the first to do whatever stupid thing you do.
[19:57:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You would not believe the very long list of things we've all heard before
[19:57:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to cosmicalpha> For most things, it's a more serious breach to not report the issue than it is for it to happen
[19:57:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> cough NGINX ignoring only browsers
[19:57:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And I'm not joking @pixldev, I will write you a reference
[19:58:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Anyone you work for or any college you go to would be lucky to have you
[19:59:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> That CrowdStrike outage directly affected me actually as I was stuck in Canberra, luckily I could just go back to my hotel and wait 2 days for me to be able to go again. But I was a bit upset something like that could even happen. That was a huge screw up on their part. And definitely a case study for things not to do...
[20:00:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> All because they fired all of their QA team a year before
[20:00:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Luckily I just got to laugh at the comments on our IT slack
[20:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I'm sad Russia was unaffected lol
[20:01:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to originalauthority> And some people wonder why we do QA
[20:02:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> This is what happens when companies have a monopoly though
[20:02:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Brings the entire world to a halt
[20:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But also....DONT USE WINDOWS FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE
[20:02:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Amen
[20:02:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> or
[20:02:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> any infrastructure
[20:03:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And also some people wonder why I ask them where that disaster recovery plan is
[20:03:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And where that risk register is
[20:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> what’s that a board game?
[20:03:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And that record of what software you run
[20:03:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I am going to go it is 4AM. Talk tomorrow(today)
[20:04:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> That's called a table top test
[20:04:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> Good to know neither of our Australian residents go to sleep at normal hours
[20:04:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @pixldev we do sometimes literally test these things with a board game
[20:04:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Like a Table top roleplaying game?
[20:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Monopoly
[20:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Og game
[20:04:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Yup
[20:05:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to originalauthority> I was going to joke bout using D&D but that’s funnier
[20:05:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We do table top resilience excersies
[20:05:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> D&D my beloved
[20:05:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Fandom killed that
[20:05:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i spent the morning looking for monsters to make an encounter and came across one that’s fucking perfect
[20:05:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> my friends are gonna hate it
[20:06:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ❤️
[20:06:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> and this is why people DM
[20:06:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Anyways @originalauthority have you ever worked with cynthia
[20:07:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No i dont know any cynthias
[20:07:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to pixldev> lol
[20:08:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I already said we need to do a sleep study of Miraheze users
[20:08:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> and both are awesome tech people. Huh
[20:08:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Final findings: seek help
[20:08:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Probably
[20:08:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And a bed
[20:09:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> My sleep schedule over the summer is more screwed up
[20:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ive stayed up past midnight a bit working on dev stuff minecraft or chatting
[20:09:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> My sleep schedule is fairly sane
[20:09:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I got past the age where I have unlimited energy
[20:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I can be asleep at 10pm easy
[20:11:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> during the school year i try to go to sleep 10:30 in theory
[20:11:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> And if I don't get my sleep, I am like a zombie for like 2 days
[20:11:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> My high school sleeping habits where everywhere
[20:17:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to originalauthority> This ^
[20:17:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to pixldev> What is Cynthia?
[20:18:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> It is
[20:19:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to originalauthority> I guess you aren't going to support my proposal to deploy Active Directory here then
[20:23:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to bluemoon0332> And thus began the great civil war…
[20:25:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Also, when I was 16 I was using Windows, when I waas 17 I installed mediaWiki on Windows, 3 days later it broke. First time I installed MediaWiki on Linux it was stable  and did not break on me for a while
[20:30:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Sometimes I wonder why I haven't set my computer up for dual booting yet. Would really simplify my development work to not need to launch a VM every time I want to test something out.
[20:31:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to orduin> WSL
[20:32:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thats what i run by dev wiki on
[20:32:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Is MediaWiki unstable on Windows?
[20:32:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to orduin> just join the kool kids over in the *nix world and leave Windows already
[20:33:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I have like 3 VMs I think of various Linux distros on my dev laptop
[20:33:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Which is windows itself
[20:33:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Cause corporate
[20:33:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But we also have a huge set of Linux desktops
[20:33:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bluemoon0332, replying to theburningfirethatscorchessouls> no-one particularly cares about Windows support in MW
[20:34:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Windows is unstable
[20:34:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to rhinosf1> Really?
[20:35:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Yes
[20:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There are many many nightmares windows causes me
[20:35:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Linux cause me any of the same
[20:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Then normally it's just my own fault
[20:35:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> :moonch:
[20:35:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin, replying to pixldev> my WSL is broken and running an outdated kernel I can't update 🙃 I can probably fix it, but at this point, dual boot would probably be both simpler and save me more time in the long run.
[20:38:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> off
[20:39:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @rhinosf1 If I give vigil an API endpoint like ORES do you think anyone would actually use it to make stuff
[20:41:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Mmm, I remember trying to get windows PXE to work to simply deployment of new hardware. It didn't work, and we had to do them all by hand. Found out from our predecessors that they wound up using a linux based solution :P
[20:45:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls, replying to rhinosf1> Windows time, AKA the time I managed to get a ramsonware from a file I downloaded, and in anger, I wiped the disk for Linux, that was the last straw of my Windows use
[22:02:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Speaking of Windows nightmares, new update just reset my desktop background (and who knows what other settings). Yipee!
[22:05:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to orduin> Oh dear
[22:24:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Can't have broken settings if you remove all the settings. 🤔
[22:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to orduin> This happened to me a few days ago....
[22:25:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I was very annoyed
[22:28:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to notaracham> can't have broken settings if you don't buy windows 😉
[22:28:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> (Have broken preferences instead on mac)
[22:45:58] <Guest32>	 Apologies if this is obvious, but I'm super new to mediawiki. I've been trying to activate the Discussion tools extension, which requires Linter and Visualeditor. I've been able to activate Visualeditor, but I'm getting a very vague error saying "The extension Linter failed to be enabled". Has anyone run into this before?
[23:25:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> Guest32, if you are still there, I've just fixed an issue that would have been preventing it from being enabled. You should be good to go.