[00:45:39] Yep. That seems to have instantly resolved all the load alerts for mw* in icinga but that probably wont completely last forever. [00:46:37] this man is too powerful [01:01:40] Still no high load lol maybe it helped quite a bit. We shall see if it stays like that. [01:39:00] hmm, seems that while wikitide.com exists in our DNS config, it doesn't use our DNS, rather it uses the old WT/WF cloudflare account [01:56:49] It does, using the legacy board@ account iirc [02:08:39] hi agent [02:12:09] I have to admit, it's kinda nice when Agent pops in every once in a while like one of those blink-and-you'll-miss-it moments [02:24:03] agree [02:24:12] when i saw that i was like "A wild Agent appeared!" [02:27:13] Nice to see you all too [02:27:26] I try to keep myself up to date with Miraheze affairs. I still chat with a few volunteers from time to time and some users are kind enough to send me an email every time I’m mentioned. [02:27:27] hi agent [02:29:29] BlankEclair https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:BlankEclair/Caching?curid=77598&diff=417382&oldid=412269 uh pretty sure CNAME's are behind CF [02:29:58] > [Varnish] is only used on non-*.miraheze.org wikis[2] and custom domain wikis that are either using Miraheze's DNS setup or that are using a CNAME [02:30:13] should be that aren't [02:30:15] idk [02:31:43] aaa why do i have to be the person writing the docs [02:32:33] uuuuh... because you're awesome beyond compare [02:32:45] oh thank you [02:32:51] but still... aaaa [02:32:58] it seems like mw-lb became cf-lb [02:34:05] Docs has never been a forte so any effort is always positive [02:34:34] yeah, I mean that's true in most places [02:34:46] does anyone happen to know a wiki that does CNAME? [02:34:57] I've never worked in tech so I can't speak to corporate but [02:35:07] behind CF i think? [02:35:23] > All custom domains using CNAME are now on CloudFlare. If you're using our dns and/or have a subdomain of your domain(wiki.domain.tld), your probably behind the cloud [02:35:25] Nice seeing you in here. [02:35:29] aren't these two sentences contradicting each other? [02:35:39] a subdomain would effectively need to use a cname, right? [02:35:44] (or an aname) [02:35:59] Now I'm confused [02:36:03] I think? [02:36:12] Confused about my confusion [02:36:19] and i'm asking because i'm confused 😭 [02:36:36] I believe CNAME/Subdomain are behind CF [02:36:50] things that use us for their DNS aren't [02:36:56] Hey Ro [02:37:55] re: CF, it seems that indeed, anything using a CNAME/MH controlled domain should be behind CF. Any domain using our NS servers should be behind Varnish still [02:38:41] Yeah basically what I was trying to say but properly explained [02:38:43] I think? [02:39:12] I'm watching a video about a dnd april fools monster at 10 30 PM I'm hardly in a realm of clear thought [02:39:17] not all mh-controlled domains btw, for example: curl -I --no-progress-meter https://awawa.{miraheze,wikitide}.org | grep -i server: [02:39:41] Is awawa a real wiki [02:39:48] don't know but doesn't matter [02:40:07] wikitide.org isn't behind flare yet [02:40:09] unfortunately not [02:40:27] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12057 [02:40:38] /me > 💤 [02:40:38] yep that's used as a reference [02:40:46] i always forget how ant domains we own [02:40:51] good night ro [02:40:52] Night all [02:40:54] nini [02:40:59] don't let the pie fiend bite [02:43:22] im starting to wonder if any human has ever spoken in #wikimedia-dev [02:45:15] hopefully this is better: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:BlankEclair/Caching?diff=prev&oldid=417395 [02:45:37] lol css is still broken under cloudflare [02:45:45] Is it? [02:45:50] or just slow loading [02:46:05] also TIL global account deletion is a thing [02:46:12] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12382 [02:46:38] wait [02:46:42] If a domain uses our DNS, and uses subdomains in addition to the root, than the subdomains were updated to CNAME to Cloudflare [02:46:52] oh is that why the dropdown arrows broke in 42 [02:46:55] yes [02:47:21] also breaks ?debug=true >:( [02:47:37] the fact the global account "James Bond" was deleted in 2016 and remade 4 years later is oddly funny to me [02:47:57] And to be clear of Miraheze/Wikitide domains, only miraheze.org is currently under Cloudflare [02:48:06] The rest will be moved eventually [02:48:38] What's the blocker on wikitide.org? [02:48:39] i still find it funny how i figured out miraheze's caching infrastruct like right before the move to cf [02:48:42] If any [02:48:53] The universe is a cruel bitch [02:49:15] not even mistress, just bitch [02:49:31] certified ass [02:50:12] This Universe has been certified to be a cruel bitch on 2024 August 31. [02:50:31] wikitide.net is a very delicate one, as a wrong move could bring down the entire farm [02:50:41] That's true [02:50:56] when did the move to cf start? [02:51:06] i figured out caching on 2024 april 27 [02:51:28] I'd make a joke about moving it over labour day because holiday and who would possibly be using wikis on a holiday [02:51:32] MacFan4000: a move at all for wikitide.net (or at least the decom of current zone) until we get recursor settled will brinf down the entire farm [02:51:47] but contrary to popular belief here there are more places then the US [02:51:56] The task was created April 19th BlankEclair [02:52:03] > [31/08/2024 12:51] I'd make a joke about moving it over labour day because holiday and who would possibly be using wikis on a holiday [02:52:06] uh, loners? [02:52:07] Not sure when we actually started doing stuff [02:52:27] Well it began in force with the giant DDoS [02:52:34] Started months ago, but custom domains in mass only yesterday. [02:52:36] morale of the story 2b2t sucks [02:52:40] Yeah [02:52:55] Actually do we have a number on how many custom domains [02:52:58] Or percentage [02:53:09] 500+ I believe [02:53:18] I don't remember the last time I saw so many people actually talking on IRC (not just the relay) lol [02:53:27] same [02:53:31] same [02:53:40] there's like... five people! shocking! [02:53:41] we have 1 2 3 4 5 [02:53:49] (The majority use CNAME) [02:53:56] is sammy on can we make it 6? [02:54:04] wait [02:54:12] its like 2 am in the UK [02:54:15] drat [02:54:19] eh, sounds like prime time [02:54:30] they're not away but haven't responded (privately), so i figure that they're not here [02:54:39] Uh it's a test do they have a Mirahezian sleep schedule [02:55:07] it's actually more like 3 am in the uk [02:55:10] I stayed up all night last night. Not even a minute of sleep. Not on purpose. I just got busy and I guess time just got away and the next thing I know my alarm is going off... [02:55:33] a true mirahezian [02:55:43] typical [02:55:55] Oh hi Agent [02:56:05] Cosmic is the embodiment of I don't need sleep I need answers [02:56:19] me doing a security review of cargo at 2 am: ^ [02:56:24] (thanks for getting me to sleep though) [02:56:30] hi CosmicAlpha [02:56:55] isnt it noon there [02:57:03] right now? yes [02:57:10] gotcha gotcha [02:57:12] but then it was like 2 am [02:57:22] It is 11AM for me. [02:57:23] It’s just about 11 PM here [02:57:33] fellow ESTer [02:57:43] :handshake: [02:57:43] MacFan4000: exactly 12 hours difference lol [02:58:00] i started typing hank and was not sure where that was gonna go [02:58:05] instead of hand [02:58:24] Nice to see you here Agent [02:58:44] PixDeVl, i'm very certain that you told me to sleep [02:59:36] im somehow torn between "whhaaaaaat meee?? nevrrrr" and "yup sounds right" [02:59:39] CosmicAlpha: Thanks [03:00:06] https://transfem.social/notes/9wrv8urx9sh900qb [03:00:35] How's stuff been man? Life been life-ing? [03:00:38] I remembered I had an idle vps which only had ZNC on it and went to see if it was even on and yup, it was on, running ZNC and to my horror, connected to IRC [03:00:54] to your horror? [03:01:31] yes, to my horror, it made me seem like I was actively connected on purpose :P [03:01:51] I actually thought you had on old bouncer service or something [03:02:03] i also thought it was on accident :p [03:02:03] Never used one myself since I catch up on discord [03:02:19] a pain with the wikimedia dev channels but hey [03:02:32] It’s nice to have for… really no reason [03:02:36] It’s just for vanity at this point [03:02:48] i'm like 80% sure that sammy has an irc client in the terminal on a vps somewhere [03:03:11] eternally watching [03:03:14] the fox eye [03:03:15] I wouldn’t be surprised if 80% of IRC users are just idle bouncers that have been forgotten about [03:03:22] probably [03:03:26] I’m pretty sure that was freenode’s composition, anyway [03:03:39] Rhinos is active on IRC and online even more [03:03:45] Digital as well [03:03:53] I don't find the point anymore. I just connect when I need and let it disconnect when I don't. [03:04:12] Juest im assuming, zppix as well i think [03:04:39] i actually tie my lock screen to setting my irc away status lol [03:04:40] ? [03:04:41] eh i can see the use for say #mediawiki or #wikimedia-ml [03:04:45] oh [03:04:46] never mind [03:04:49] sorry about the ping [03:05:04] with the relays existing, there’s really no reason to have a bouncer or actively connect if you’re primarily just using it for MH purposes [03:05:17] you don't even need to be on irc at all tbh [03:05:18] Some of us who use IRCCloud pay to be able to stay connected indefinitely [03:05:24] it's still nice though [03:05:25] there are also wm-bot logs [03:05:39] I used to have premium IRCCloud but don't find the value anymore [03:05:46] It’s funny because I use IRCCloud to connect to my bouncer rather than just eliminate the middleman [03:05:53] Agent?!?!? [03:05:56] lmao what why [03:06:06] It came back!! [03:06:09] eh, i mean you can use either public logging or a bouncer or whatever, its not a big deal, that's what you get for using irc. unfortunately it always been too niche and recently-ish its just in extinction it appears [03:06:30] oh good, there goes the bridge, maybe some issue with discord and the irc connection i suppose? [03:06:33] more likely to be discord imo [03:06:42] nah, people chat on discord like most of the time [03:06:47] Wow a lot of IRC activity today lol [03:06:51] yeah ikr? [03:06:59] the only two users i see often in irc are me and RhinosF1 [03:07:05] lol agent; i got a instance of kiwiirc just so i can connect anywhere including my znc and my local server :D [03:07:09] why did you say 'it' came back? [03:07:34] heh [03:07:35] * Juest shrugs [03:07:44] hi irc users [03:07:45] Juest: I don't think the IRC connection relys on the Discord bot connection [03:07:49] (from my home ip) [03:07:56] Don't make sense to me as a discord bot dve [03:08:09] didn't intend to imply that [03:08:23] i assume they're talking about the bridge in general [03:08:39] yeah was meaning the bridge bot itself as the middle point [03:08:40] http://wm-bot.wmcloud.org/dump/%23miraheze-tech.htm [03:08:40] @info [03:08:44] huh! [03:08:45] BlankEclair: I use IRC when I wanna feel retro/dont wanna use discord. often cause my phones ded at the end of the day [03:08:54] lmao [03:08:59] lol i only use irc on my desktop cuz i have iphone [03:09:02] Nale’s still on the records lol [03:09:09] ~~or im avoiding people from other communities~~ i mean what [03:09:19] theres no point for me to use znc other than its always stable and it allows me to not get constant disconnects because my computer freezes [03:09:19] BlankEclair: is the most active non-bot user according to wm-bot [03:09:25] Lil mistake heh [03:09:41] essentially using it via znc means it never ever disconnects :D [03:09:45] Agent: yup. also when asked dyno says cocopuff is banned foooor [03:09:47] I think [03:09:50] 26 years? [03:09:54] 27 maybe [03:09:59] In the twenties [03:10:10] except when everything goes down and that bug related to no dns and no connection hits hexchat and znc on windows/cygwin causing it to crash [03:10:11] 25 years last I checked [03:10:16] Only? [03:10:25] why is our crate banned? :( [03:10:30] Bump it to thirty one [03:10:40] hey predated me man [03:10:41] lol [03:10:46] I miss dough crate [03:10:52] ah fun info :D [03:11:40] znc is fun [03:11:51] especially using partyline [03:12:11] I wonder if there are any dummy long temp bans on meta [03:12:26] I know I've gotten emails about IP bans til 2030 [03:12:58] oh yes, the ten year bans for open proxies [03:12:59] o_O [03:13:05] that’s primarily my doing [03:13:25] especially for repeat offender ranges that have been blocked constantly since 2017 [03:13:34] Ah, how its going in terms of wikitide and miraheze infra, may i help with anything? [03:13:39] Agent [03:13:58] You have me PTSD with those RC walls of death [03:14:10] \j [03:14:11] you don't hide stuff from rc? [03:14:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/user:BlankEclair/common.css [03:14:37] sometimes the flooded flag would expire prematurely before the mass blocker finished so I’d flood the RC [03:14:51] It was very funny [03:14:57] 22:53 we have 1 2 3 4 5 [03:14:59] oh lmao [03:15:00] Most of the CVT emails I get are from that [03:15:01] Up to 6 now [03:15:08] also [03:15:15] no non ip temp blocks on meta [03:15:40] oh yes, that pesky new GlobalBlocking behavior sucks [03:16:09] I can imagine why these blocks are starting to come back to haunt cvt@ [03:16:23] I actually asked a wikimedia tech person about that in person a few days ago [03:16:36] MacFan4000: yeah most active I have seen IRC since probably when I first joined in 2020 until about 2022 when we used it a lot more lol (but then again I may not have been paying attention before) [03:16:45] I.. can't remember exactly what he said but i think it was intentional [03:16:52] shockingly no [03:16:58] I think maybe 3? [03:16:59] I love the colorful chat [03:17:14] ikr? it's been all red for me until now [03:17:16] Your reign of vandal carnage gets more [03:17:36] let me check my email [03:18:05] it’s interesting to finally see the gipbe group actually get used [03:18:19] before, I think only DeeM28 and maybe a small handful of others had the flag [03:18:35] how many have it now? [03:18:52] lemme see [03:19:04] 04T08e09s12t [03:19:08] 11 [03:19:13] up from like 2 or 3 [03:19:21] we gotta make a rainbow command [03:19:42] 06purple guy06 [03:20:48] I used to have a command on my IRC bot which was named “thebiteof87” which would trigger lobotomy, aka it would shut up [03:21:01] 06BlankEclair nah just have everyone use colors06 [03:21:16] 06Agent :salute:06 [03:21:16] should i wish that irc would let us use granular colors like https://files.catbox.moe/0sr8yu.png? [03:21:43] i mean i have close to that [03:21:45] ||what does this do on IRC — I forgot if it hides it lol|| [03:21:50] 06nope06 [03:21:53] 06on discord only06 [03:21:55] aw, sad [03:21:57] 06it's raw06 [03:21:59] It used to I think [03:22:07] But I think I broke it [03:22:08] at least you can use 00,00same background + foreground colors for that [03:22:17] lol [03:22:25] also purple is hard to read on a black background [03:22:29] eh [03:22:34] Lol yeah [03:22:36] lmao [03:22:43] 01sup01 [03:22:47] i struggle seeing blue in darker backgrounds because i got a blue light filter [03:22:47] :p [03:22:48] at least i can reassign the colors [03:22:59] 14whats client do you use14 [03:23:03] but konversation does not apply them retroactively >:( [03:23:06] hexchat [03:23:11] windows 7, so light theme [03:23:25] i set QT_QPA_PLATFORMTHEME=gtk2 so that it uses my gtk theme lol [03:23:28] ohgh I implemented spoilers from IRC to Discord but not Discord to IRC lol [03:23:35] 14LMAO14 [03:23:38] lol [03:23:40] moment [03:23:46] ah hmmm [03:23:53] 14why did you have ot write it in C i'd prob try and contribute otherwise14 [03:24:01] i for some reason cant really get like a good color theme on qt :( [03:24:05] on my artix system [03:24:09] 09Ra11i10nb12o06w c13o04lo07r08s [03:24:10] 14i still need to work on my python projects14 [03:24:10] qt5 is the one that is screwed over [03:24:20] yeah same [03:24:48] 14hello14 [03:25:05] 14oh14 [03:25:08] 14is that harej14 [03:25:10] no way! 7 users? [03:25:22] I've been on the Discord this whole time [03:25:36] 14Yoooooo new record14 [03:25:40] im in both :) [03:25:41] lol hey [03:25:43] lol [03:25:47] Anyway.... [03:26:10] interesting bout of activity [03:26:12] how it been going around here..? [03:26:27] 14[[Requests for comment/Establishment of Miraheze IRC Day]]14 [03:26:31] 14lmao14 [03:26:35] lol [03:26:43] oh..? [03:26:46] 14Juest has been going14 [03:26:47] how old is that [03:26:51] Interested topics for #miraheze-tech [03:26:57] 14no its a joke i just made14 [03:26:57] *interesting [03:27:02] 14i didnt make the page14 [03:27:04] haha [03:27:06] not yet [03:27:31] 14I swear all of the most interesting stuff happens in the tech channels and idfk why14 [03:27:47] because we're interested in tech stuff [03:27:56] of course [03:28:02] 14huh, Agent interestly i only see one GIPBE user. funky14 [03:28:11] 09Heh, so u11nusual 10having 12this mu06ch IRC ac13tivity 04in one o07f our ch08annels [03:28:16] 14i mean most of those are totally unrelated to tech14 [03:28:23] could it be cache? :p [03:28:36] i know we like to blame caching, but caching isn't that bad [03:28:56] I've been battling caching all week [03:29:00] Rule of thumb: If you don't know, blame it on cache [03:29:00] kill memcached for a day challenge [03:29:16] pick one: dns or cache [03:29:18] 14i will never not forget crtl shift refresh isn't purge cache on this14 [03:29:22] lol that reminds me, i havent bothered to update/maintain my mediawiki installation from 1.35 [03:29:27] 14Agent: aright bet14 [03:29:42] There was a fair amount more IRC activity back in the very early days of Miraheze Back before the MH discord was a thing [03:29:44] what's the oldest mediawiki server that's still publically accessible i wonder [03:29:49] ofc :) [03:29:54] wikipedia perhaps? [03:30:00] as in running the oldest version, sorry [03:30:01] 1.35 is better then some (like editthis, which is 1.15) [03:30:03] oh [03:30:13] 14Juest: omw to bully your install with public exploits14 [03:30:18] XD [03:30:21] :( [03:30:26] 14don't quote me but I think I've seen 1.1214 [03:30:41] have we considered buying out EditThis just to see the inner workings of how it manages to even survive with 15 years of tech debt? [03:30:43] 14wikipedia invented mediawiki PRAISE BE MAGNUS so14 [03:30:57] 14is there even anyone left to buy from14 [03:31:18] apparently combine overwiki is using 1.24 or 1.26 because they use plugins that stopped being developed and such [03:31:21] Editthis is just dead its owners return maybe once every 2-3 years [03:31:39] extensions* [03:31:43] i wonder how many wikis use cargo [03:31:43] It just runs itself probably using its excessive ad revenue [03:31:51] hmmm [03:31:56] 14> Agent: have we considered buying out EditThis just to see the inner workings of how it manages to even survive with 15 years of tech14 [03:32:03] EditThis isn't worth the hardware it's hosted on [03:32:03] 14tax you're the treasurer14 [03:32:04] iirc, owner was last spotted in like 2016 [03:32:11] oh hmmm, maybe some old minecraft wiki that is still up maybe? [03:32:16] I know the foundation is loaded [03:32:22] 14Agent: we ate them14 [03:32:22] welp [03:32:24] both Wikimedia and WikiTide [03:32:30] this is what's happening now [03:32:31] too much money to spare [03:32:38] or at least, it was when I left it [03:32:58] 14> Agent: too much money to spare14 [03:33:02] 14YOU WOULD THINK14 [03:33:11] 14AND YET(this ends in a joke not serious)14 [03:33:29] btw tax, is [[Finances]] stale? [03:33:31] aww, Finance/List hasn’t been updated since my last edit in April [03:33:33] There's a lot of cash relative to our expenses, but our expenses only consist of a handful of servers, and no paid staff or insurance or other things that cost a lot of money. [03:33:41] 14a few days ago I met DerHexer, 2024 wikimedia laruate in person14 [03:33:45] tax: at best I would pay the price of a normal .info domain which is the only thing of value they probably have. I would not pay a penny more.for editthis [03:33:58] 14awesome guy, also saw the badge he got for the award14 [03:34:14] 14IT WAS MADE OF PAPER. and basically falling apart14 [03:34:18] 14seriously WMF14 [03:34:26] 14one of the 5 big awards of the tear14 [03:34:27] The discord server didn’t exist for the first 3 years of Miraheze existence, so prior to May 2018 IRC was the more active platform [03:34:36] 14and you couldn't like laminate it14 [03:34:43] amazing [03:34:45] 14Como14 [03:35:13] 14im still pissed14 [03:35:19] don't think the convention center had a laminator [03:35:31] i have no context btw [03:35:37] 14They made them there?14 [03:35:47]