[02:13:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> @agentisai hmm mw183 is down it seems
[02:14:09] <PixDeVl>	 I'm sure it's fine
[02:14:12] <PixDeVl>	 Long day is all
[02:15:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [1/10] ```ps
[02:15:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [2/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: PHP Fatal error:  Uncaught ArgumentCountError: Too few arguments to function Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer::getService(), 1 passed in /srv/mediawiki/1.42/includes/MediaWikiServices.php on line 356 and exactly 1 expected in /srv/mediawiki/1.42/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php:411
[02:15:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [3/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: Stack trace:
[02:15:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [4/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: #0 /srv/mediawiki/1.42/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(356): Wikimedia\Services\ServiceContainer->getService('MainConfig')
[02:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [5/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: #1 /srv/mediawiki/1.42/includes/MediaWikiServices.php(1387): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getService('MainConfig')
[02:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [6/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: #2 /srv/mediawiki/1.42/includes/Output/OutputHandler.php(44): MediaWiki\MediaWikiServices->getMainConfig()
[02:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [7/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: #3 [internal function]: MediaWiki\Output\OutputHandler::handle('', 9)
[02:15:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [8/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]: #4 {main}
[02:15:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [9/10] Oct 09 02:11:57 mw183 php[1575132]:   thrown in /srv/mediawiki/1.42/vendor/wikimedia/services/src/ServiceContainer.php on line 411
[02:15:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> [10/10] ```
[02:15:54] <PixDeVl>	 huh
[02:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> "1 passed and exactly 1 expexted", lets fatal error that WTF
[02:16:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> "too few arguments" apparently PHP thinks 1 != 1 now lmao
[02:16:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> That's a first
[02:18:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I think PHP needs to go back and learn the most basic math again lol
[02:20:09] <PixDeVl>	 mr alpha
[02:20:34] <PixDeVl>	 can i ask you for your 2 cents on difficulty of implementing smt if you ain't busy
[02:20:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Sure
[02:21:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> that’s what we got when the bad update was deployed
[02:22:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> but that error had been reported a few days back
[02:22:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It is happening right now though.
[02:22:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> on mw183
[02:22:34] <PixDeVl>	 huh
[02:22:36] <PixDeVl>	 related
[02:22:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to PixDeVl> If it is https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12739 It is already possible with hooks. I made it possible with that exact use case in mind with the rewrite
[02:22:40] <PixDeVl>	 ?
[02:23:13] <PixDeVl>	 If I had your adress I would mail you a box of my most tasty Brazilian treats
[02:23:20] <PixDeVl>	 and yes it is
[02:23:39] <PixDeVl>	 The acceptant would be stored in cookies or database?
[02:23:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I will probably work on hooks for that by the end of this week.
[02:23:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to PixDeVl> Database
[02:24:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> serialized in a field to prevent having new fields.
[02:24:26] <PixDeVl>	 wondering if it should be global or local to each wiki
[02:24:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> there is now a cw_extra field for extra fields in hooks.
[02:24:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> and there will be a wiki_extra on cw_wikis also.
[02:24:52] <PixDeVl>	 I also wanna get a consensus from the rest of CVT
[02:25:08] <PixDeVl>	 CA I need to send you more WikiLoves'
[02:25:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> related: https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12724
[02:25:37] <PixDeVl>	 hm
[02:25:42] <PixDeVl>	 add as parent task maybe?
[02:25:55] <PixDeVl>	 i can make an html full screen POC tmr
[02:26:13] <PixDeVl>	 Discord's 18+ channel notice may be a good starting point
[02:26:19] <PixDeVl>	 i mean its not complex
[02:26:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> That would kinda be subtask. NSFW is blocked on it, so the NSFW one would be the parent task kinda. But it is complicated I just would not be parent or sub lol
[02:26:45] <PixDeVl>	 not sure if this would need community approval
[02:26:46] <PixDeVl>	 ill see
[02:26:51] <PixDeVl>	 its late
[02:27:10] <PixDeVl>	 the others in my house are going to decent and drag me to sleepy sleep soon...
[02:27:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I think it will before I implement anything beyond an RW field I would want some consensus probably
[02:28:02] <PixDeVl>	 a full rfc seems like much ngl
[02:28:03] <PixDeVl>	 idk
[02:28:08] <PixDeVl>	 cya tmr alpha
[02:28:17] <PixDeVl>	 idk if the shorthand is alpha or cosmic at this point
[02:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Just an RfF would be good. Not a full RfC
[02:29:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to PixDeVl> lol, night
[02:34:27] <PixDeVl>	 oh i didnt even remember you're still Universal Omega on Phorge
[02:34:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to cosmicalpha> this has been floated around for years but never done because we don't want to inadvertantly attract more troublesome wikis
[02:35:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> that has been the reasoning for the past 4 years, not sure if that still holds up
[02:35:07] <PixDeVl>	 what is that replying to
[02:35:09] <PixDeVl>	 my idea?
[02:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> yes
[02:35:14] <PixDeVl>	 how
[02:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> that was something Doug pondered about
[02:35:30] <PixDeVl>	 if anything a giant ugly notice for all users should be a deterent
[02:35:33] <PixDeVl>	 right?
[02:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> as did I
[02:35:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> oh no, I meant a button on RW
[02:36:01] <PixDeVl>	 Oh
[02:36:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> for your CW idea, that'd be interesting
[02:36:17] <PixDeVl>	 A button saying this is NSFW..?
[02:36:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> on RW, yeah
[02:36:38] <PixDeVl>	 i mean worst case its for WC only but i cant possibly see the logic
[02:36:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> how about we buy miraheze.xxx and move all nsfw wikis there
[02:36:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> problem solved
[02:37:22] <PixDeVl>	 We're not starting a Miraheze only-fans
[02:38:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> MiraFans was a rejected idea for last year's April Fools joke actually
[02:38:23] <PixDeVl>	 no way
[02:39:12] <PixDeVl>	 I'm not sure what's more surprising
[02:39:27] <PixDeVl>	 that it was an idea or that we actually rejected an april fools idea
[02:39:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> we thought someone like Nale might explode if we did anything big-ish
[02:39:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> and we were right, he did explode
[02:40:07] <PixDeVl>	 agentisai: we have https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/Requests_for_Comment/April_1st_ReReorganization_of_Orain in our pockets for next year
[02:40:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Orain is actually a cool name
[02:40:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I did think about snatching their slogan though
[02:40:43] <PixDeVl>	 I also noticed when thinking merch it had a way better slogan
[02:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> "Wikis done right"
[02:40:47] <PixDeVl>	 lmao
[02:40:51] <PixDeVl>	 yea
[02:40:54] <PixDeVl>	 honestly can we
[02:41:02] <PixDeVl>	 would make merch design easier
[02:41:04] <PixDeVl>	 which reminds me
[02:41:35] <PixDeVl>	 I need to find time me and Rhinos can hope on a call to talk to the sales team for the merch company I'm investigating
[02:41:46] <PixDeVl>	 or maybe say sorry can you just do email plz
[02:41:56] <PixDeVl>	 a call may be better though
[02:42:03] <PixDeVl>	 wiki sigh
[02:42:25] <PixDeVl>	 But that is a :fire: slogan
[02:42:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I did a lot of merch investigating for WT actually
[02:42:43] <PixDeVl>	 it fits for us great
[02:42:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> my notes on those investigations and quotes are bound to be somewhere
[02:42:55] <PixDeVl>	 Oh sick
[02:43:13] <PixDeVl>	 Can we share notes for the big quiz next week?
[02:43:14] <PixDeVl>	 haha
[02:43:22] <PixDeVl>	 there is no quiz
[02:43:24] <PixDeVl>	 for merch
[02:43:31] <PixDeVl>	 i have like 2 though
[02:43:34] <PixDeVl>	 i should sleep
[02:43:41] <PixDeVl>	 but yeah DM me if you find them
[02:43:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> the legacy Board probably has them floating in their DMs as well
[02:44:38] <PixDeVl>	 we cna merge them into https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/Comparison_of_Merch_Vendors
[02:44:45] <PixDeVl>	 group chat or induviuals
[02:44:51] <PixDeVl>	 actually maybe
[02:45:31] <PixDeVl>	 theres the old board wiki right?
[02:45:36] <PixDeVl>	 io.wikitide.org or smt
[02:45:54] <PixDeVl>	 https://io.wiktide.org/ uh no
[02:46:03] <PixDeVl>	 i know i saw it
[02:46:10] <PixDeVl>	 agentisai: do you know the URL
[02:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> that should be it, yes
[02:46:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> our original scheming wiki
[02:47:06] <PixDeVl>	 does it work for you?
[02:47:08] <PixDeVl>	 ded for me
[02:47:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> you need to connect to a VPN for access
[02:47:33] <PixDeVl>	 nuh uh
[02:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> nah, just kidding, the URL sent is missing an `i`
[02:47:45] <PixDeVl>	 I know I saw it a few days ago
[02:47:47] <PixDeVl>	 huh
[02:47:49] <PixDeVl>	 oh
[02:47:55] <PixDeVl>	 <- clown
[02:47:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> but it's Board only now it seems
[02:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> don't remember when that happened as that used to be a general purpose wiki
[02:48:26] <PixDeVl>	 private yea
[02:48:36] <PixDeVl>	 i thought it wasnt a few days ago
[02:49:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> if it wasn't then that's scary!
[02:49:12] <PixDeVl>	 which board folks are on to pester
[02:49:18] <PixDeVl>	 yea!
[02:49:27] <PixDeVl>	 prob me mistaking the homepage
[02:50:16] <PixDeVl>	 is jammie on to badger into finding merch lore
[02:50:26] <PixDeVl>	 do you recall what vendors/services you looked into?
[02:50:30] <PixDeVl>	 PoD or bulk?
[02:55:07] <PixDeVl>	 anyways agentisai: tmr we can see if any board have merch stuff in DMs with you(DMs are not lost when an account is deleted, it just takes a bit of finessing to get them to show, I have my DMS with your old account ie)
[02:55:53] <PixDeVl>	 as i recall you need the user ID to create a ping to be able to actually bring up the profile to click message, i got it from the id in dyno logs
[02:57:01] <PixDeVl>	 NOW I SLEEP GOOD NIGHT I WILL TALK WIKI WITH ALL IN MORNING AAA
[03:18:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> jammie on to badger sounds like an obscure britishism to my very tired brain, but I can't pick out which one.
[03:18:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Probably getting sidetracked by jammie dodgers
[11:26:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium, replying to PixDeVl> PixDeVl, good idea with this Comparison of Merch Vendors page. It will be useful in the future
[12:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to PixDeVl> Speaking of merch
[12:15:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> I recently found this
[12:15:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1293547489470840914/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_a7e6270b-3ef2-4e3e-9f1a-a97009472fad.jpg?ex=6707c57a&is=670673fa&hm=6923fb134c1fc50005ddf94418affa23d97f91c86eca4922d639dcf15858c213&
[12:16:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Fandom merch!
[12:25:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> damn
[12:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> who we should bother w/ botched wiki creation?
[12:27:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> request approved by wiki doesn't exist
[12:28:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Phabricator
[12:28:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Tech team at a push
[12:28:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> But really infra because they'll have to check if its in the database
[12:28:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> Tech team can do it but its more difficult than someone from infra just checking the database
[12:36:00] <BlankEclair>	 does mwe not have db access?
[12:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> They do via SQL.php
[12:59:18] <BlankEclair>	 oh okay
[12:59:33] <BlankEclair>	 is it too inconvenient?
[12:59:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> It's really not that more difficult, the main downside compared to mariadb is that the display is kind of ugly when using select
[12:59:43] <BlankEclair>	 read my mind lol
[12:59:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I wouldn't say it's inconvenient
[12:59:53] <BlankEclair>	 yeah, the output format is... weird
[13:00:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Actually it can even have advantages since if you want mariadb you need to switch between db servers
[13:01:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Also re merch, someone still needs to find a merch provider for MH!
[13:02:50] <BlankEclair>	 the miraheze experience... https://files.catbox.moe/lmm8yu.png
[13:24:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> BlankEclair: to reply to your five tags comments, the idea was that wikis can't just have infinite tags and five was a good number for them
[13:24:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> As tags won't be super specific either
[13:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> They'll just be more specific than current categories that are very broad
[13:24:47] <BlankEclair>	 there's a client-side check, but is there a server-side one?
[13:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> Ah, that I don't know
[15:14:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> MWE can use direct sql
[15:14:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> If they really wanted to
[16:22:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> I don't see why it's being phrased as if it's such a tedious thing to do
[16:22:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <reception123> as I said, the disadvantages compared to using MariaDB are quite minor for most things
[16:29:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> What are you talking about?
[17:22:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority, replying to reception123> Opinions differ