[09:15:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/3] https://github.com/miraheze/puppet/pull/4841
[09:15:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/3] Follow-up to the previous robots.txt changes. This one should be able to address the problem of localized special page titles. Limited to test151 for now.
[09:15:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [3/3] Not sure if there is a way to deploy a puppet config just for test151. That would make life a lot easier.
[13:40:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to posix_memalign> For testing you can disable puppet for a short while
[13:40:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Up to like an hour
[14:16:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to abaddriverlol> per https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Battle_Cats_Wiki:Error_Reports#cs-comment-185229 it looks like some users still have the old version in their cache somehow
[17:11:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to thewwrnerdguy> what do the headers say? is it cf or varnish?
[22:32:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to abaddriverlol> don't know since I never had the issue and it appears to be resolved for that specific person so I can't ask them again
[22:32:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> hopefully they were the last person to have the issue but that might not be likely
[22:35:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] I'm still seeing these 365-day cache expiries. Might have been cached on my local machine instead of cloudflare? In that case there isn't much we can do besides asking users to clear the cache I think.
[22:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1006789349498699827/1496640604438925494/image.png?ex=69ea9eae&is=69e94d2e&hm=ed74a2509cf95219466be17188927b7a3f0b63619946f98fa7f4b9222ee98084&
[22:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to posix_memalign> memory cache means exactly that, from your machine
[22:37:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Yeah it's obvious now that you mention it lol
[22:43:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to posix_memalign> when di dthat get cached
[22:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/4] I will probably start the voting on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Noticeboard/Request_for_feedback:_changes_to_default_MediaWiki_settings soon btw.
[22:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/4] I think we've had some very good feedback. The list of proposals is long enough as-is and is a good combination of simple changes and more ambitious/controversial ones.
[22:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [3/4] As for voting, should we have dedicated support/oppose/abstain/comment sections like [last time](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal/Archive_54#Request_for_Feedback:_changes_to_default_extensions_for_new_wikis) or a simpler discussion thread like the previous [annoucement in the tech noticeboard](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Noticeboard/Removing_extensions_f
[22:45:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [4/4] or_the_MediaWiki_1.45_upgrade)?
[22:47:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> since there are so many proposals probably the simpler ones
[22:48:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> We would need to split the config changes into sub-proposals (change the config for all wikis or new wikis only) which is one reason I'm leaning toward the simpler format.
[22:52:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> You should have $wgVectorResponsive in there I think
[22:54:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> What are your thoughts on $wgUseCodexSpecialBlock and $wgEnableMultiBlocks
[22:55:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kockaadmiralac> Oh yeah that's a good one. Countless hours were lost when trying to figure out how to come up with the right CSS for vector 2022.
[22:56:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> One more last-minute change I ugess
[22:58:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> Sorry lol just found time to go through our config settings on UT/DR to see what we've tuned
[23:00:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kockaadmiralac> I don't think we have wikis using it right now so it would be somewhat risky to move the whole farm over. I guess we can do it gradually and see how https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T404510 goes. But if it's amazing maybe we can adopt it quickly.
[23:00:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> $wgArticleCountMethod should be `any` I think that's a more reasonable default
[23:14:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers, replying to posix_memalign> I remember we had some issues getting popups to work on our wiki because of our wikitables. Unsure if this issue is common enough that it'd affect making the extension default, but just wanted to put that out there.
[23:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> More to consider: $wgDisambiguatorNotifications, $wgTemplateDataEnableCategoryBrowser, $wgVisualEditorEnableVisualSectionEditing, $wgWikiEditorRealtimePreview
[23:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> You'd have to check whether PageImages will duplicate the og:image metadata with some other extension, I think OpenGraphMeta had that conflict but not sure about WikiSEO
[23:16:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> iirc wikiseo accounted for that
[23:17:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> $wgGitRepositoryViewers would be pretty cool for the 5 people who look at Special:Version and want to click those commits
[23:20:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> All wiki.gg and WGL wikis have $wgMainPageIsDomainRoot enabled but maybe that's a discussion for a different time on whether that affects SEO at all or just looks cool
[23:22:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> $wgDefaultUserOptions['showrollbackconfirmation'] should be 1
[23:23:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kockaadmiralac> That's all I have to suggest
[23:57:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to emiliers> Yeah that's a good point because a lot of times Popups will fail to fetch anything. I expect it to change the interface in ways that are not always in the positive direction and we will see how the community thinks about it.
[23:57:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kockaadmiralac> Oh that's a good one. We got quite a few questions on that before.
[23:58:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kockaadmiralac> Some of these I'm not familiar with. Maybe I'll queue them in my personal todo list and then submit them in the next one (probably happening in a few months once I have enough proposals again).