[00:01:08] Creating a short URL requires a user right `urlshortener-create-url` which is available only to admins by default I think [00:02:19] No, it works fine for me on meta and another wiki on my main account [00:02:27] I don't have any special rights on either of the two on that account [00:02:33] It doesn't work fine for me on [00:02:43] Which is a newly created wiki [00:03:45] Oh, the two wikis I checked changed the right manually [00:03:52] e.g. [00:04:00] it is in fact only granted to sysops by default [00:04:33] I think it's a really silly default and I think it's even sillier that I'm shown the link to create a short URL at all given it just fails [00:04:55] in the testing for 1.45 I thought it was broken so yeah it's bad [00:05:01] feel free to make a PR to grant it to users by default [00:05:14] But given how long it's been broken I think this just tells a lot about how many people used the feature [00:05:15] the extension default is to grant it to `*`, but I'm not sure whether that's a good idea [00:14:46] I checked the Short URLs management log on 3 wikis that I main and all of them are empty. [00:25:46] You could probably pull some statistics for short URL generation across the farm for more context in that RfF but maybe that's too much work if the proposal is likely to pass anyways [00:26:27] I think Harej said he prefers keeping URL shortener so maybe we'll see some opposition once I publicize it elsewhere. [00:29:40] When I do `select * from urlshortcodes;` I see entries despite the log being empty. Very weird. [00:34:23] Isn't urlshortcodes on the shared database [00:42:27] Hmm. I found a few in the local database which is odd, but I guess what you said explains why I see 10,000+ short URL entries on Meta pointing to local wikis. [00:45:32] [1/4] If the entries you've seen are more than 2 months old I guess this is why [00:45:33] [2/4] >>> and `$wgUrlShortenerDBName` was [00:45:33] [3/4] removed then also so it hasnt worked for years, I am unsure if or why we [00:45:33] [4/4] would still need it in that case though. [00:45:59] Honestly not sure either why urlshortener entries are shared across the farm [00:49:20] I would assume because the WMF uses the same URL shortener domain for all wikis [00:52:52] Meta uses wiki.surf URLs and local wikis might find it desirable. Right now it just uses the wiki's own domain. [01:10:45] $wgUrlShortenerServer should probably be configurable anyways [01:11:23] For the wikis with custom domains which might want to set up their own URL shortener domains [04:14:44] I disabled puppet on test151. [05:20:56] https://ruk.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_officeholder this is the interesting case. It's parsing the template that is not written like birth date