[00:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to notaracham> It can be changed CF level as I enabled it we won't disable globally if there is a valid reason we may be able to override per hostname but I am not sure.
[00:57:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to idrinklisterine> I'm not entirely sure
[00:57:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> It's done on the Cloudflare side
[00:57:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> Oh sorry just realized CA already responded
[00:58:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to elliethepwincess> no
[00:58:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> It does not make any visual difference, but it decreases file size and improves loading time
[00:58:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> oh cool
[00:58:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> but its unable to be posted in miraheze
[00:58:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to idrinklisterine> ?
[00:58:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> no it's not
[00:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> you can upload webp files
[00:59:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> You can enable webp uploading in ManageWiki if you want
[00:59:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> However, there's no need to, any image format will be convereted to webp, so it's very good for compression
[00:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> i disable on purpose
[00:59:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> i hate it
[00:59:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> i hate webp files
[00:59:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> If there's a specific reason you want it disabled it may be possible on a per-wiki basis per CA but I highly doubt it will be disabled for all of Miraheze, it has substantial loading and SEO benefits
[01:03:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to koreirose> This is accurate.
[01:04:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> no
[01:04:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> im to lazy to disable it
[01:04:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> also webp files suck anyways
[01:04:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> You can't disable it
[01:04:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> There is no reason for us to globally
[01:05:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> It has numerous benefits including loading time and SEO
[01:06:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> We might be able to per wiki, but I haven't confirmed that and you haven't provided a good enough reason to do so tbh
[01:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> ?
[01:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> huh
[01:09:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> if you cant disable it then its forever unenabled
[01:11:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> [1/2] super minor and kind of funny but wondering why this happens
[01:11:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235760552375226419/Screenshot_2024-05-02_180011.png?ex=66358b33&is=663439b3&hm=d389b478dd0e36724161079fd562c62ba53355fa0b614cc025ee8189976ed7c0&
[01:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i set the number of days down lower and then this happened
[01:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to idrinklisterine> I am talking about uploading webp images
[01:12:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> All non-webp images will be returned client-side as webp, but you can upload actual webp images to the server if you want to
[01:13:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> As CA said, if you can provide a good reason (i.e., not "I don't like it"), it may be possible to disable it on a per-wiki basis
[01:13:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> reason disabling webp images?
[01:13:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> yes
[01:14:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> webp images
[01:14:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> ruin the wiki
[01:14:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> ho
[01:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> now disable it
[01:14:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> ??
[01:14:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> i gave you a reason
[01:14:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> they do not ruin the wiki
[01:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> how do you know?
[01:14:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> because I use Miraheze...
[01:15:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> so what
[01:15:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I know that webp images don't ruin Miraheze wikis because I use Miraheze wikis
[01:15:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> If you are trolling or joking please cease
[01:15:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to koreirose> ok
[01:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> cached maybe? funky
[01:32:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I think i've seen that as the default
[01:33:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i did try clearing my browser cache but nope
[01:33:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i'm not fussed about it but it does look funny
[01:34:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> No not browser server side
[01:34:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I know what you're thinking
[01:34:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Isn't one cache already 6 too many?
[01:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yes.
[01:35:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> :ThinkingHardMH:
[01:35:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And yet [[mw:Manual:Object cache]] exists yet
[01:35:07] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Object_cache
[01:35:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Object_cache>
[01:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ngl i was pulling the title totally from memory
[01:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> nice
[01:35:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> also W hollow knight pfp???
[01:36:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to brandon.wm> [[mh:Anime bath scenes]]
[01:36:07] <wm-bot>	 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anime_bath_scenes
[01:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Anime_bath_scenes>
[01:36:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> it doesnt exist
[01:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thats not how it works
[01:37:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to pixldev> how then?
[01:37:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> subdomain/db name
[01:37:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but it uses a custom domain
[01:38:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> the things I put in my browser history for the sake of this place yeesh
[01:38:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ||https://animebathscenewiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page||
[01:38:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to pixldev> its real
[01:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> actually i dont think its mriaheze
[01:39:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith, replying to pixldev> oh lol someone finally commented on it
[01:39:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> oh theres more hten one
[01:39:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to pixldev> we should convince them to move to miraheze
[01:39:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> [[mh:animebaths]]
[01:39:17] <wm-bot>	 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/animebaths
[01:39:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://animebaths.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[01:39:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> it's a Thing in one of the servers i'm in lol
[01:39:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> what
[01:39:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> the non miraheze on is the offical
[01:39:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> ... wow that wiki sure. uh. exists
[01:40:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> don't judge me I didn't make it i dont edit it i just brought it up in a related discussion and paying the price
[01:40:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ;-;
[01:40:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> it looks like ill get a virus from clicking on literally anything
[01:41:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> from what I heard it's actually really good and comprehensive
[01:41:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> good... for them, i suppose??
[01:41:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah idk
[01:41:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> mildly concerned but uhh good for them (?)
[01:41:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> the main editor watermaiden did help out a lot on the second big main anti fandom video by
[01:42:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
[01:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> idk
[01:42:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> The Wiki world is a wonderful and wacky af place ig
[01:43:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I meant compared to the wiki that prompted me to mention it's really quite great all things considered
[01:43:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> sure is, yeah
[01:44:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to pixldev> I don't save my browser history
[01:44:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> Also that URL is hilarious lmao I'm going to check that wiki
[01:44:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> oh bruh https://animebaths.miraheze.org/wiki/Takarakuji_de_40-oku_Atattandakedo_Isekai_ni_Ijuu_Suru
[01:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> this wiki has spam, going to look into this and post about it in #cvt
[01:45:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> not that either wiki is in my interests but If held at gunpoint well documented anime bath scenes trope wiki would beat vore fetish every time
[01:45:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Uh yeah I am not opening that wiki I don't want it attached to my account lol
[01:45:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> there's like no activity
[01:45:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> y. yeah i kind of regret clicking the link but oh well
[01:46:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith, replying to pixldev> also i'm not even going to ask about the second wiki but fair enough i Guess
[01:46:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to cosmicalpha> I have a lot of weird wikis attached to my account lmao
[01:46:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I've clicked links I regret farm more don't worry ☠️
[01:46:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> i always open wikis i don't want my account attached to in a browser i'm not logged in to 👍
[01:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha, replying to koreirose> I probably to do by not even realizing what I open lol my old account had 2k wikis attached to it I am trying not to repeat that lol
[01:46:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thanks connor you're video has added a multiude of interesting things to my CentralAuth
[01:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> cough MGE
[01:49:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> now im kinda confused the mh ABS wiki has like no images and seems to be a broken copy but theres a single recent edit by an account with the same name of the crat and main editor of the Non MH wiki
[01:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> so now im wondering if it's an impersonation or if the real watermaiden just made an edit on mh for some reason
[01:51:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> who knows
[01:51:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I'm surprised there's an off platform "anime baths wiki"
[01:52:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> it was on fandom
[01:52:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> then fandom gave them the boot
[01:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I could join their discord and ask
[01:53:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to pixldev> Lmao not surprised
[01:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> [1/2] I feel like this wiki might have copyright issues
[01:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> [2/2] https://animebaths.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:NewFiles
[01:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but-
[01:53:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> actually the heck
[01:53:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I already know I'll never hear the end of this from Ro anyways............
[01:53:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to pixldev> ?
[01:57:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> whaatever my fate is sealed regardless
[01:58:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> watermaiden seems like a cool and dedicated editor no hate to them
[01:58:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but uh
[01:58:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yeah I have no wish to delve into that wiki anymore
[01:58:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> wlel
[01:58:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ever for that matter
[02:01:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> de jong if you see this please dont bully me or uh ill be sad
[02:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> where was I
[02:05:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> oh yeah. I didn't notice since hornet is so smol in the image
[02:06:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> :EpicFaceMH:
[02:06:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> shoot i’m on my phone, there’s actually text next to her
[02:06:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> speaking of which
[02:06:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i should check the daily silksong news
[02:06:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235774502911086695/image0.png?ex=66359831&is=663446b1&hm=f424fb8df5339c8f21f4b82a59675a690106c4c919f0d76b178d58eb1ff9e797&
[02:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> aaaaaaaaaaaaand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VMPc5ks_G8 day 1203 is a bust
[02:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> siksokn
[02:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> yo what da' hell
[02:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to emicraftt> ?
[02:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt> anime bath scene wiki
[02:09:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> Miraheze supports free speech, so of course there are NSFW wikis
[02:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> \/hj
[02:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I don't see anything wrong with it honestly
[02:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> a wiki for those nights (sorry)
[02:10:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thats also not the main one
[02:10:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> eh its meant to document a widespread throupe
[02:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I saw the deleted message 💀
[02:11:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to pixldev> true
[02:11:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> limited time message
[02:11:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> maybe too wide but i aint talking about it anymore since people already think im insane or a dirty bitch
[02:11:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to emicraftt> It's not limited time, I have a message logger <insert troll emoji>
[02:11:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235775786804314122/image.png?ex=66359963&is=663447e3&hm=92937ac6cf33d613671ef264dd891d84bea7f05c82b4b7aa208b528ca3be2f65&
[02:11:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (please dont judge me)
[02:12:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to pixldev> lmaoo
[02:12:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> vencord
[02:12:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to emicraftt> BetterDiscord actually
[02:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> [1/3] no gonna blame you because I have vencord
[02:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> [2/3] but I don't use message logger
[02:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to koreirose> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235776079965327391/Captura_de_Pantalla_2024-05-02_a_las_8.12.31_p.m..png?ex=663599a9&is=66344829&hm=a5d089daedadcc8ec7372d0ea960d6b2932bb1196e15ae8db8d231f3aa69f0e3&
[02:13:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I admire the fact it's a giant wiki maintained by a single editor tmk and thats it. I don't care for or engage with the topic anyways kill that horse back to hollow knight
[02:13:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftt, replying to pixldev> sometimes I'm kinda flirty
[02:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [1/4] is there anyway to make gradients centered? This is the current css and how it looks and these are the new gradients which I want to change them to
[02:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235779140012081183/image.png?ex=66359c82&is=66344b02&hm=37980b33e48ecb5f052a147484921218c3bfc3e2829f1fc6e6c700c863af556f&
[02:25:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235779140267937873/image.png?ex=66359c82&is=66344b02&hm=877ee64837b5c18ccc7936ed222420166688a6161dd42fbfd077d8c570621d4e&
[02:25:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235779140511338558/image.png?ex=66359c82&is=66344b02&hm=6169be4ddd893b6441b00da8bf1b444c27e0804a47c9dfc6ef3f8eac95e46b7a&
[02:27:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to pixldev> Why wouldn't you like anime baths?
[02:27:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i like anime not fan service
[02:27:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ☠️
[02:27:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I like fan service
[02:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> :ilikebuffmen:
[02:28:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith, replying to verityoffaith> tbh this is probably one of my favorite doodles of hornet
[02:28:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i did it in like 3 minutes and it’s such a silly little thing but it’s cute
[02:28:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> also siksokn
[02:29:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> yes
[02:29:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> [1/2] Fun fact:
[02:29:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> [2/2] Not all forms of incest are prohibited by the Bible
[02:29:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I meant to post that in offtopic
[02:30:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> okay im done here
[02:30:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> good night
[02:30:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> lmao gn
[02:30:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> anime bath scenes wiki kindly never come up in convo again
[02:30:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> 😄
[02:32:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> I feel like the copyright issues on it may come up in the future
[02:32:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> eh
[02:50:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [1/3] would it be possible to make the navbox look like this instead of how it currently is?
[02:50:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235785515295313930/image.png?ex=6635a272&is=663450f2&hm=a7026ca5a10ad1ec6cc45f8718e61b599838af7068e67af372b745cbdf5cd57d&
[02:50:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235785515559686184/image.png?ex=6635a272&is=663450f2&hm=28e34af3824888b42f2154e55287ba0ab3585bce7dc4d4eaa101408ffba39c01&
[03:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to pixldev> I take it, starting to realize why fandom kick this out?
[03:42:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to quesquestion> [1/2] which screenshot is the current?
[03:42:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to quesquestion> [2/2] always link the template
[03:43:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ck_skies> @laionpuvan Not very cool of you.
[03:43:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> @serverlessharej do you have kick or ban permissions ^
[03:44:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <serverlessharej> Looks like it was taken care of?
[03:44:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to serverlessharej> still in here
[03:45:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> opening profile, I see Miraheze listed as mutual server
[03:45:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ck_skies> Nah I'm not starting anything, I just sent that cause he randomly kicked me from his server for miraheze without me being able to say anything. That was just my message to him in regards to that.
[03:45:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> What's going on?
[03:45:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to ck_skies> my ping to mods was for inappropriate username
[03:45:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ck_skies> Ah gotcha
[03:46:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to brandon.wm> see above user that Asa pinged, probably is a username policy violation?
[03:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> its a creative bypass
[03:47:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> I don't see a large issue, I wouldn't ban solely on that
[03:47:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> ok
[03:47:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> @serverlessharej or @zppix to advise but that's my 2c
[03:47:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> its more of replace if you were to replace the r with l and both e with i
[03:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> Yeah I mean I can see it but that doesn't inherently mean that was the intent
[03:49:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> looks to be a nickname
[03:53:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> how would i go about implementing a sort of live feed of active talk pages?
[03:53:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i really like talk pages but it's hard to know one's been opened
[04:02:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> are you trying to ensure people see your messages and respond if necessary? echo should be enabled and that should trigger a "you have a new message" alrt
[04:03:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> well it's not on my user talk page
[04:03:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i mean talk pages in general, like on content pages
[04:03:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> does that still work...?
[04:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> [1/4] the problems i've run into so far are:
[04:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> [2/4] 1. if i create a talk page, no one will see it unless they check recent changes
[04:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> [3/4] 2. if someone responds to the talk page, no one will see the response unless they ping everyone 
[04:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> [4/4] 3. there's no way for me to tell a talk page exists due to the CSS we have, and i'm not currently versed enough in CSS to change that. i'd prefer a more robust solution anyways
[04:05:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> it ends up being that a lot of discussions happen over discord, which while convenient, has proven messy and it also gets very hard to keep track of who said what when
[04:06:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> and we also have a few wiki only contributors and i'd like a way for them to stay in the loop with and voice opinions on major changes
[04:14:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to verityoffaith> [1/2] - if the user is logged in, unless editing will see the alert
[04:14:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to verityoffaith> [2/2] - if not logged in, user will see alert on next login
[04:15:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> how crazy css do you have on the wiki to not be able to tell a user talk page exists?
[04:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> that has not been true so far for me and my other wiki editors
[04:15:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> no, this is not about user talk pages
[04:15:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i'm talking about content talk pages
[04:15:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> user talk pages are fine
[04:15:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> Oh
[04:15:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> well for content pages...you are out of luck
[04:16:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> :(
[04:16:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> though there is wikipedia gadget rcwidget
[04:16:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> surely there must be a better way to organize things with talk pages
[04:17:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> what if you ping a user on the content talk page say `@verityoffaith`?
[04:17:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> that works, but it only works per edit
[04:17:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> so if i make an edit and i want everyone that's active to see it, i have to ping them every single time
[04:17:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> which i guess Works but is kind of impractical
[04:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> not sure why echo didn't include content user talk
[04:18:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to verityoffaith> You could make a Discord server for your wiki if you want to collaborate with everyone at once
[04:18:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> that's the problem
[04:18:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i don't want joining the server to be a requirement
[04:18:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> not everyone has access to discord and, again, talk pages are a nicer way to organize things anyway
[04:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> WMF fixed one annoying problem [alerting user talk], didn't extend it for content user talk...
[04:19:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> is there genuinely no way to have live relay of talk pages?
[04:19:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> m3w mentioned rcwidget and i looked it up real quick but uh
[04:19:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> sure is a lot of javascript that. i don't understand
[04:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> go dig through wikipedia's special:allpages for namespace 8 aka mediawiki
[04:19:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> maybe someone made something
[04:20:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> I did notice OA forked echo and was modifying it, not sure what happened after that...was told a recent computer update uninstalled php and is struggling to reinstall
[04:22:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> hm
[04:22:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i'll take a look at some point
[04:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to pixldev> I've seen weirder wikis
[04:24:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> U know the Pooh's Adventures Wiki
[04:25:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Or perhaps the SpongeBob Friends and Adventures Wiki?
[04:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> The CWCki is also weird, it documents the life of a person called Chris-Chan in extreme detail
[04:33:55] <thorbjorn>	 RhinosF1: Our wiki is now moved to wiki.themanaworld.org, but it seems your index.php redirect change is not yet active there. Shall I create an issue for this?
[05:19:23] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: yes
[06:04:02] <thorbjorn>	 RhinosF1: Ok, here it is: https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12100
[06:25:35] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: try the switch to cf-lb
[06:32:12] <thorbjorn>	 RhinosF1: Alright, I've asked for the DNS to be updated, thanks!
[06:32:31] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: as soon as you do it should work
[06:33:16] <thorbjorn>	 I understand. Unfortunately I don't think I have access to the DNS settings and I'm not sure when the person who does wakes up. But oh well. :)
[06:33:18] <RhinosF1>	 I'm around for next 90 minutes
[06:33:21] <RhinosF1>	 That's cool
[06:33:34] <RhinosF1>	 If it's not in next 1.5 hour then I'm back from about 1pm
[06:33:40] <RhinosF1>	 Dumb 4 hour work meeting
[06:34:02] <thorbjorn>	 Wow, hopefully you get something to eat.
[06:35:36] <RhinosF1>	 Lunch will be at 1pm today
[08:10:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arnen> Can you straight up steal a template from Wikipedia?
[08:17:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> steal no, import properly/attribute sure
[08:17:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> beware [[wikipedia]] however
[08:17:58] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/wikipedia
[08:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia>
[08:18:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> especially when looking at enwiki
[08:20:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <arnen> 👍
[09:57:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theburningfirethatscorchessouls> Inporting Wikipedia = #1 newbie mistake
[10:07:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kanarianomori> Hello
[10:26:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hey there
[10:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jaybilant> Pretty sure I've asked this before some time ago, but is there a way to omit a namespace or just a set of individual pages from showing when the user hits "ranodom page"? With an extension or otherwise?
[11:02:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Hello. Tell me, I've just requested a wiki, and I've been asked questions I've never been asked before. I've never had this kind of problem before. Have requests become more framed, more severe?
[11:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <philimania> [1/2] Why aren't edits allowed to be protected?
[11:25:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <philimania> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235915254169337906/image.png?ex=66361b46&is=6634c9c6&hm=289d5932d066739087664ff6bc5fd313992270f4d3e918fc314f4f75b443a6d3&
[11:27:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <philimania, replying to philimania> nvm found reason
[11:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <anpang54> i requested changes be added to my wikis localsettings 2 weeks ago in [[github:miraheze/mw-config/pull/5541]] (so the cache gotta be gone) but the changes still haven't applied
[11:31:40] <wm-bot>	 https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5541
[11:31:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5541>
[14:03:08] <thorbjorn>	 Is it possible to add some custom CSS to the wiki? Nothing like a new style, but just a CSS class to enable some fancy borders.
[14:04:51] <thorbjorn>	 I looked at "Manage this wiki's additional settings", which only shows $wgAllowUserCss as enabled, with "For example User:/*.css", but I'm not looking for user-specific CSS rules.
[14:09:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to idrinklisterine> So
[14:09:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235956422261473375/Miratide_PaintDotNet_demo_drawing.png?ex=6636419e&is=6634f01e&hm=042fad729a0fa9995c8e312b91606d1a0767e163a6ccff1b28ef5964fab197aa&
[14:10:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> @thorbjorn: MediaWiki:Common.css
[14:13:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence, replying to felenov> that was more than 14 hours
[14:14:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> @thorbjorn - or skin specific, Luke MediaWiki:Vector.css
[14:19:31] <thorbjorn>	 suzuneu, theoneandonlylegroom: Thanks, it's working great!
[14:24:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [1/2] hiyo
[14:24:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> [2/2] question- if "/$/ " is at the end of the page, what's at the start?
[14:31:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet> trying to do a mass replace and it says that /$/ is what you type for replacing things at the end of the page, but idk what it is for the start
[14:42:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu, replying to mx.lilasekhmet> `^`
[14:43:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> More information: [[w:Regular_expression]]
[14:43:22] <wm-bot>	 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression
[14:43:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression>
[14:45:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mx.lilasekhmet, replying to suzuneu> Thank you very much!
[14:53:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235967599104364654/image.png?ex=66364c06&is=6634fa86&hm=926710cac9813f053ae9b7465d76bd23aed6980b8428a44df399329de197f7b1&
[14:54:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> :squint:
[14:56:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> The fact that oversight, oversighter, supperssion could translate to ревизор (this name makes no sense) in a dozen ways depending on context just shows how cursedpowerful this language is
[15:17:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> [1/2] I'm not sure what you are meaning, but yes the questions have a goal, to figure out what the purpose, scope and topic are. How the wiki will be used, and moderated.
[15:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> [2/2] If answers aren't clear, we might ask deeper to find out the above points
[15:17:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to m3w> I never doubted why they kicked it out I don’t like that they did it after basically confirming multiple times the wiki was fine. Plus I meant the MH wiki the external one is active
[15:18:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> I get it, these are the basic questions I've always been asked
[15:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> [1/3] "Copyright: The content (the books, articles in magazines and interviews) is often copyrighted, and nothing may be used to copy and redistribute elsewhere. The same goes for the photo's/graphics. Many are copyrighted.
[15:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> [2/3] Rule of thumb is, that when no license is mentioned, the content and images are fully protected and not allowed to be reused under our CC-BY-SA license. 
[15:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> [3/3] How will you be able to comply with these obstacles?"
[15:18:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> What should I answer? I've never had a problem before
[15:20:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> We have to abide by the laws of copyright. When a requestor answers something like, I will fill the wiki with info from other sources, I would want to know if such info is fee to use, or copyrighted. Many users are not aware of the complicated copyright rules.
[15:22:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> What was your request number?
[15:22:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Okay, but I've never been asked that every time I wanted to create wikis
[15:23:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> I just don't get it, why now?
[15:23:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> 43978, the number
[15:24:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Maybe I'm naive, but I've created five wikis, I've been on Miraheze for three years, and I've never had to justify myself so much
[15:24:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> I'm just amazed
[15:24:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> They simply said that the contents you uploaded maybe deleted due to copyrights
[15:25:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose, replying to jeanboulanger> MH has changed over time to comply more with copyright and have better-defined wiki scopes. Three years ago, just typing "I want a wiki" in the wiki request would get you accepted.
[15:26:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/2] Yeah I thought this was one of mine 🙂
[15:26:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/2] I have a background in Copyright. So perhaps I am more cautious as others before have been. Overal we're much more stricter now than before
[15:26:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> Ah, so it was you. Sorry, it's a bit detrimental to my application because it proves that I never paid too much attention to those things
[15:27:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to koreirose> Even a year ago
[15:27:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> It was not intended to make you uncomfortable.
[15:28:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> It's my fault, I was just caught off guard
[15:28:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to jeanboulanger> [1/2] Sadly sometimes the copyrights holder can be randomly angry and decides to DMCA the wiki.
[15:28:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to jeanboulanger> [2/2] And MH ask you to get a proper copyrights or plan ahead in case of DMCA.
[15:28:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> But yeah, we're slowly getting more organised on that front.
[15:29:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to max20091> Thanks for the information
[15:33:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> Copyright is a legal minefield. It's still debatable if uploading game asset files (or their renderings) to wikis counts as fair use since the copyright applies to the game itself.
[15:34:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/4] The license on your wiki states cc-by-sa-4.0
[15:34:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/4] That means Creative Commons license. by= You need to attribure the owner of the content and sa= means that that license has to be taken along to the new place where such text is to be used. It also means it is not restricted by nc= (No commercial activity or nd= No derivations to be made.
[15:34:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/4] Now if you copy text from a website that has no license or (c)2024, then that means that everything is fully protected, and not allowed to be used (except for quoting a short part with attribution) 
[15:34:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [4/4] Cc-by-nc prohibits commercial activities. So if you copy content from that, it would be incompaticle with our cc-by-sa license.
[15:35:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to felenov> It's not. Fair Use means that you show a small portion to showcase what it is about. Uploading the complete assets goes against Fair use.
[15:35:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> What about images?
[15:35:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Same?
[15:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Fair Use would enable me to show you 3 or 4 pages of a book, but not the whole book.
[15:35:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> Yes.
[15:37:01] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: how is the CF move going?
[15:37:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It's the same with music albums. Song texts are copyrighted, the imagebooks are copyrighted, as well as the music and other designs
[15:38:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> In any case, I'll update my request and justify what I intend to do to respect copyrights
[15:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Generally speaking, indicating the source is enough, isn't it?
[15:38:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I think I need to write an essay on it 🙂
[15:39:01] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: is it working as expected?
[15:39:02] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: is it working as expected?
[15:39:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> was there any case of game wikis getting DCMAd for assets upload
[15:39:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> True, If the license is compatible, a permanent link to that page would suffice
[15:39:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> yes, leaked contents usually get DMCA'd
[15:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not leaks?
[15:39:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> quite rare
[15:40:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> And how do we know?
[15:40:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> leak downloads are banned on PTW, for example
[15:40:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> usually not worth their time and money
[15:40:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> exactly
[15:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> If it clearly states Cc-by-sa-3.0/4.0 then it is compatible. Public Domain is also compatible.
[15:41:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> If an image is available as cc-by-nc-4.o, then you need to state that on the file page where you upload it.
[15:41:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gaming is a field that requires a lot of guidance and explanations, comparing to other media, and ofc one will want to present things the same way as in game itself
[15:42:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> And where does the license say? Is it possible that it isn't?
[15:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] Yea, as long as it brings them profit and you don't "damage their image", no DMCA will ever happen.
[15:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] (Not NIntendo)
[15:42:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Nintendo is .... yeah
[15:42:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Sorry for my broken english, also
[15:43:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> If I'm expressing myself badly, just tell me
[15:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to rodejong> [1/2] Well, if I take a game asset. Let's say a player model and just dump the meshes, texturing, shader code, blueprint code - thst's straight up COPYVIO.
[15:43:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to rodejong> [2/2] If I make renders using that data and upload that, then this is a deriv. work
[15:44:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> [1/3] I didn't get the question.
[15:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> [2/3] But I have to go eat (Family is waiting) I'll be back in half an hour.
[15:44:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> [3/3] And don't worry about the language. I am not an English speaking native either
[15:44:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1235980349247459398/image.png?ex=663657e6&is=66350666&hm=e54531d4292ca45cf437408565a5209b8a56f6518c162ab19bd5c0775d52fcff&
[15:45:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rodejong> Enjoy
[15:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> What I wanted to ask is where is the license indicated when you want to download an image? And is it possible that the license isn't indicated anywhere?
[15:45:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> And no problem
[15:46:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jeanboulanger> you should add a license note (template) in file's description page
[15:47:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [1/6] The cc licenses only impact text, not templates css json js gadgets
[15:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [2/6] Images and media are always not free but allowed under limited use to demonstrate a point. If stock image of a new product is released publicly,  it's fair game.
[15:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [3/6] You can't just upload full soundtracks, music videos, original transcripts, game assets
[15:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [4/6] - in limited relevant use, sketch art of prototypes can be ok
[15:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [5/6] - you can write a transcript from scratch, that's ok
[15:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [6/6] - you can redraw a poor quality image as a showcase
[15:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jeanboulanger> [1/2] example
[15:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to jeanboulanger> [2/2] <https://softcell.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Cover_-_Mutant_Moments.png>
[15:49:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Okay
[15:50:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> I already visited your wiki a few days ago
[16:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> It's possible that no license is to be found. Than the rule of thumb is that everything is copyright protected.
[16:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [1/5] That is not true. The files can be released in Public domain, or under different licenses. In such cases, that has to be stated on your File page also.
[16:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [2/5] "The cc licenses only impact text, not templates css json js gadgets" 
[16:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [3/5] Also that is not true. 
[16:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [4/5] cc-license can be placed on everything. 
[16:11:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [5/5] Please read the copyright pages on Wikipedia for ful explanation.
[16:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> That is why we for example import Templates, Modules with their full history, as to attribute the users who worked on them.
[16:14:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> Creative Common says their licenses say they can't be applied to software and hardware
[16:17:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to koreirose> Also that is wrng
[16:18:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> They discourage applying the licenses on software, but you can if you want to
[16:18:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <metal_pail, replying to koreirose> > The only categories of works for which CC does not recommend its licenses are computer software and hardware.
[16:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to koreirose> https://creativecommons.org/faq/#can-i-apply-a-creative-commons-license-to-software
[16:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <koreirose> Oh I see
[16:20:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I really need to make time free for writing that guide/Essay.
[16:24:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> [1/3] If you didn't notice while typing this response, I did amend prior. 
[16:24:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> [2/3] Per the discussion at hand, it wasn't really pertaining to public domain or a cc license rather it was copyright stuff.
[16:24:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> [3/3] Using special import isn't exactly considered compliance. Even if you add the full url to edit summary and include details as a comment block at top, still falls short.
[16:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [1/2] Been advised that importing  templates css js may not be compatible with your wiki license which creates bigger problems 
[16:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> [2/2] Not actually allowed to import say templates css js gadgets from cc by sa into cc by nc wikis
[16:30:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Well, it's done. Hope it works out.
[16:31:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [1/2] It is the other way around. You're always allowed to copy it to a more restrictive license, as you refer to the source where the less restrictive license is. Although that legally doesn't have any right, it's not frowned upon.
[16:31:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> [2/2] The problem is that when you copy from a cc-by-nc to a cc-by-sa wiki. Than you make the restricted contend available in a lesser license, which is not allowed.
[16:32:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> Proof of claim?
[16:34:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> You have a direct contradiction
[16:34:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> If it's not legal, why would it be allowed despite low enforcement
[16:44:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> Experience. I know, it has no value, but that's basically it 😄
[16:44:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> https://luckyluke.miraheze.org/ You're wiki has entered domancy Policy and will be disabled soon
[16:45:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger, replying to rodejong> I don't really care.
[16:45:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jeanboulanger> Thanks for letting me know.
[16:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to jeanboulanger> okidoki
[17:10:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> Unfortunately that means nothing if no legal standing. Just because people don't complain or approve, doesn't mean is ok.
[17:12:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> I agree. Just stating the landscape
[17:31:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> Is there a way of editing the CSS code for each specific page? Or failing that, each namespace?
[17:33:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> you can use [[mw:Extension:TemplateStyles]] to add css to specific pages
[17:33:04] <wm-bot>	 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles
[17:33:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles>
[17:36:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> [1/3] Err, ooookay then. I'm still not really sure how Templates work in general, it's been something I have (guiltily) relegated myself to not looking into 😅 
[17:36:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> [2/3] And the extension page in general looks like a lot of word that I can't parse very well, haha
[17:36:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> [3/3] Thanks for the help nonetheless
[17:36:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> you can target namespace in CSS
[17:36:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> :catto_curious:
[17:36:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> How so, if I may ask?
[17:40:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> TemplateStyles isn't hard and very neat actually, but it's for templates, aka elements in main content area, not for whole page styling
[17:40:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> I forgor gotta check lol
[17:41:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] Ahhh, right you are then
[17:41:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] That'd be useful but also by that logic I'll have to learn another way to... For instance, change background styles for different namespaces and the like :mlemmers:
[17:43:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> Huh, so you make Template:[     ] pages to store templates?
[17:44:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] yes
[17:44:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] and to use them on other pages you type `{{...}}`
[17:44:30] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:... 
[17:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> [1/2] Is there any examples of TemplateStyles being used in a wiki, I wonder?
[17:48:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> [2/2] I think I'd like to check out a wiki that essentially has different styled pages via the use of the extension & css
[17:49:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I use them a lot
[17:49:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to granger.airstrike> Seeing real life uses is my favorite way to learn
[17:50:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to pixldev> Very true! You get to steal, I mean, learn & find inspiration from doing so
[17:50:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> :mlemmers: _ _
[17:51:58] <thorbjorn>	 RhinosF1: Everything is working now, thanks!
[17:52:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Amen to that Laski
[17:53:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> D'you think I could be a peeping tom then? :catto_curious:
[17:53:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Erm I don’t think that’s what the term is meant for
[17:53:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> Heh
[17:53:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> It probably isn't
[17:54:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to granger.airstrike> [1/2] hm
[17:54:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to granger.airstrike> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236013138063917186/image.png?ex=66367670&is=663524f0&hm=a8c0cb3862f87ad444c3840716f49c069bf6043caecf76e5bb9a5430e66a97b7&
[17:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ah the Oxford definition is much worse
[17:55:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> <https://softcell.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Templates_with_TemplateStyles>
[17:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ||a person who derives sexual pleasure from secretly watching people undressing or engaging in sexual activity.|| so uh yeah other terms may be preferable
[17:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] I don't have this category on another wiki lol
[17:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://gogigantic.wiki/wiki/Category:Templates>
[17:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to pixldev> [1/2] Oh 😅 
[17:59:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to pixldev> [2/2] I've often heard it used more innocently but there you go!
[17:59:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike> I stand corrected
[17:59:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’d say I’ve never heard it used in another context but really I barely hear it at all and yesterday put me on enough watchlists
[18:00:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I am a victim of circumstance
[18:02:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <li.ao> Pictures of my sex organs are open so I don't care if another guy captures it🤣
[18:03:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to li.ao> We really do not need to know that. Your profile states enough mate!!
[18:03:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <li.ao, replying to rodejong> 🤣 Ok
[18:04:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Okay. Not necessary. We can drop this now 🙂
[18:11:03] <thorbjorn>	 RhinosF1: Whoops, there are still issues. https://wiki.themanaworld.org/wiki/ redirects to some other wiki? :S
[18:11:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Lol I just realized that myself
[18:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wha
[18:11:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> Like literally 60 seconds ago I realized
[18:11:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> darn cache
[18:12:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicalpha> I will try to fix in about 20 minutes
[18:12:28] <thorbjorn>	 Cool, thanks!
[18:13:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to cosmicalpha> Polandball…
[18:13:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> They’re spreading
[18:13:55] <RhinosF1>	 CosmicAlpha: you ok fixing?
[18:14:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> They are conquerors😭
[18:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> [1/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces#Identifying_namespaces>
[18:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> [2/4] each namespace has a numerical code, they're described in the table here:
[18:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> [3/4] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces#Localisation>
[18:15:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to granger.airstrike> [4/4] for example, you want to target categories, the number is 14, so in CSS you should go w/ `.ns-14` class
[18:17:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <granger.airstrike, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Hmm, alright. Good to know, thanks
[18:24:01] <CosmicAlpha>	 RhinosF1: I can if I figure out why it happens
[18:24:47] <RhinosF1>	 CosmicAlpha: try the request trace tool
[18:47:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> yo why do I have such weird notifications lately for this channel
[18:47:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> anime bath scenes wiki and now a peeping tom wth
[18:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> 🤨
[18:49:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I never had this kind of notifs lol
[18:49:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to brandon.wm> The second one wasn’t me
[18:49:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ~~who brought it up<~
[18:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Same but I haven’t updated discord on my phone in so long
[18:50:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Slash commands stopped working for me so long ago
[18:50:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But on the bright side
[18:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I still have the old yo
[18:53:52] <thorbjorn>	 CosmicAlpha, RhinosF1: Does it help if I create an issue about this Polandball redirect or it's just overhead?
[18:54:01] <RhinosF1>	 thorbjorn: it's known
[18:54:07] <thorbjorn>	 Alright.
[18:54:14] <RhinosF1>	 I'm pretty shattered though so I need to at least eat first
[18:54:35] <RhinosF1>	 Might be tomorrow morning before I get to it
[18:56:06] <thorbjorn>	 That's ok. We have set up a redirect so our website relies less on the wiki for now.
[18:56:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> oh….ballmedia
[18:56:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> what an interesting set of wikis
[18:56:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm, replying to pixldev> uhuh
[18:56:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://tenor.com/view/bfb-afoe-countryballs-europe-mapping-gif-4130309411677010453
[18:57:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to brandon.wm> What
[18:57:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> uhuh…..
[18:57:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What did I do
[18:57:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> nothing I’m just screwing around :p
[18:57:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm, replying to pixldev> the new setup will be interesting
[18:57:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What new setup
[19:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess, replying to pixldev> you probably did something
[19:08:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to brandon.wm> Since you are online, can you have a look at MediaWiki:Citizen-footer-desc on Meta?
[19:08:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to elliethepwincess> No, I can be very partially blamed for bringing up Anime Bath Scenes wiki(it was a rightful comparison)
[19:09:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I did not bring up the definition peeping Tom
[19:10:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236032118740488192/image.png?ex=6636881d&is=6635369d&hm=177f8b5838105683f1dc08565bb51375331797a591261d4fa41b10bcbd95634a&
[19:12:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> nice unedited system messages
[19:12:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It's nice for Mobile I guess
[19:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [1/2] these boxes are also unreadable in citizen dark mode probably because of the background color
[19:12:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236032770153910282/image.png?ex=663688b8&is=66353738&hm=396d5c3f69376e067d023b83dc1f926628a6f3dca26fa856ca74bee59bef0375&
[19:24:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <realcastle, replying to thorbjorn> how did that happen
[19:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Wait, why are u guys suddenly use Citizen skin in meta?
[19:27:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> probably preference option
[19:27:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> cause citizen is good
[19:31:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Based
[19:31:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> lol pix
[19:31:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Anyone have ideas on #How do I add something like this? User has crat but can’t seem to enable extensions
[19:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Does someone know if being auth in with a Mira account in @WikiAuthBot prevent user from being auth with a mediawiki account ?
[19:38:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to awing_ding> Nope
[19:38:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m authed here and on mw
[19:38:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I think
[19:38:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Nope like you don't know or nope like it doesn't?
[19:39:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> wikibot seems to allow up to 10
[19:39:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Nope as if it’s don’t prevent
[19:39:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to m3w> Hm?
[19:39:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> it allows to link up to 10 different wiki accounts
[19:48:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding, replying to pixldev> Why won't it work on me 😭
[19:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> What error
[19:50:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Nothing
[19:50:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> It just doesn't want to
[19:50:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Like the webpage load up correctly
[19:51:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> But it never really get verified on discord
[19:56:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> can someone walk me through like building a country infobox
[19:57:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii, replying to stealthmanmc> I’ll say this now, good luck
[19:59:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000> have you read https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes ?
[19:59:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to stealthmanmc> Try reading up on [[Infoboxes]]
[19:59:17] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes
[19:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Yea
[19:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[19:59:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc, replying to pensiusdictaliusxviii> ty
[19:59:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc, replying to pixldev> alr ty
[19:59:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc, replying to han.0000> yes
[19:59:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> wait i think i got it
[20:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> Let’s hope if I sleep my problems will be fixed
[20:01:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc, replying to pensiusdictaliusxviii> gl
[20:01:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii, replying to stealthmanmc> 🙏
[20:07:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> all i need is help using portable infobox
[20:07:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> specifically for country
[20:08:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> Is it a fictional country?
[20:08:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> yes
[20:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> I’m making the same thing
[20:09:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> like it says "no such module"
[20:09:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> followed by the infobox name
[20:09:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> will be honest here, you might have more success building a wikitext style template as there are likely more folks familiar
[20:09:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> what's that
[20:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> like wikipedia?
[20:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> its the built-in syntax
[20:10:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> i copied the wikipedia code in
[20:10:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> From what I learned things from Wikipedia don’t work as well on Miraheze
[20:10:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> So that’s most likely the problem
[20:11:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to stealthmanmc> wikipedia templates have many many dependencies
[20:11:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pensiusdictaliusxviii> Y u p
[20:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> better to build your own
[20:11:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc, replying to m3w> oh
[20:11:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> here is a starting point: https://techlibrary.amazingwikis.org/wiki/Template:Generic_infobox
[20:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> ok ty
[20:11:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii, replying to m3w> Easier said than done
[20:11:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to pensiusdictaliusxviii> yeah and I can backup my own words
[20:11:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii, replying to m3w> I can’t 😔
[20:11:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> We have a basic one to use as a base on dev wiki
[20:12:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to pensiusdictaliusxviii> regardless, feel free to use above as a base
[20:12:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’m not familiar with it though
[20:12:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> when I have actual time, planning to build more
[20:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And too busy to read up
[20:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> When I check the miraheze template page, I never see a full code for the template
[20:12:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> Or am I just dumb?
[20:12:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> click source edit for templates
[20:13:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> so with that base can i just freely make the infoboxes now
[20:13:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> on regular pages, that's the insert of the template
[20:13:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to stealthmanmc> better grab that as i'm about to redo a wiki upgrade so there might be downtime
[20:14:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> so uh
[20:14:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> what does that mean
[20:14:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> exactly
[20:17:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> Nobody knows
[20:17:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Which part
[20:17:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> 🤷‍♂️
[20:17:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pensiusdictaliusxviii> Anyways gn
[20:23:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to stealthmanmc> [[dev:Template:Country infobox]]
[20:23:37] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Country_infobox
[20:23:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Country_infobox>
[20:25:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [[dev:Template:Infobox_country]]
[20:25:05] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Infobox_country
[20:25:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_country>
[20:25:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> oh alr tysm
[20:26:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> That one floats left.
[20:27:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to stealthmanmc> i'm going to switch to new servers shortly so if you don't grab a copy now, you will have to wait a bit
[20:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> its a generic template, add styling yourself
[20:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stealthmanmc> oh alr
[20:28:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> So does ours, but it still floats where it has to 😄
[20:30:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> i'll see if I have time to add a `float:right` to it
[20:30:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to m3w> For users who are not used to templates, you shouldn't refer them to pages where they have to do everything
[20:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> i'm providing them a generic template, not to style it for them
[20:31:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Ah, it's yours
[20:31:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> figures
[20:31:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> erm
[20:31:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Figures that you point them to your wiki I mean
[20:31:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Sounded a bit harsh, sorry
[20:32:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> the goal was to collect various scripts and templates for all to freely use, create my own as well
[20:32:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Yeah, that's what we're doing on dev.
[20:33:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> I have already gotten a majority of fandom's dev wiki scripts and gadgets all in working order
[20:33:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Just make it so that everyone can use it
[20:33:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w> any skipped are either now built-in or extension replaces
[20:33:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m3w, replying to rodejong> still work to do for templates
[20:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> 👍🏻
[21:06:54] <thorbjorn>	 realcastle: I have no idea.
[21:28:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mjauuu_> How do you make a empty section box like in wikipedia
[21:31:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to mjauuu_> What do you mean?
[21:32:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mjauuu_> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236067855011938374/image.png?ex=6636a965&is=663557e5&hm=0a7b03a1c75c13e770ef264a5aa074a0567d198ba56992ffcd65f47f504846ab&
[21:32:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Ah.
[21:32:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> These are MBox-templates
[21:33:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [[dev:category:Templates]]
[21:33:11] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:category:Templates
[21:33:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/category:Templates>
[21:34:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Notice_templates
[21:34:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to mjauuu_> For articles you need the Ambox template
[21:34:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mjauuu_> Thank you
[22:32:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> Not sure if I should make a support ticket or not. Is it possible to alter JSON data using LUA within my own wiki? Tried several methods and it seems like I can only fetch the data but not alter it. I don't have access to Scribunto on the wiki.
[22:33:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .guardianx.> Should be I think. Lua is not accessible without Scribunto. On Miraheze you should be able to enable ez
[22:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> [1/2] Thats odd.
[22:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236083326930915409/image.png?ex=6636b7ce&is=6635664e&hm=3692d3723165da67bb79cf855e4ce6a3a8c05f546f02061d5130d3dfdd3595d0&
[22:34:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to .guardianx.> Not semantic Scribunto
[22:35:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> Ahh okay
[22:35:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Check [[Special:Version]] it may be enabled by default?
[22:35:14] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Version
[22:35:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Version>
[22:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> Okay gimme a sec getting sent on an errand IRL LoL
[22:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> Okay I'm gunna make a support topic with my code LOL..will have to do when I get back
[22:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee, replying to .guardianx.> Is there a reason you need to use JSON?
[22:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> You can oretty much have JSON-like tables in lua
[22:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> Also, don't feel intimidated by #support tickets, it's really just a more meat extension of regular channels
[22:44:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> [1/2] (apparently I have 6 minutes LoL)
[22:44:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> [2/2] Mmm Most the data that I can get from the game are in JSON format, I'm not sold on the format completely but it's fairly easy to digest visually. Basically I wanted somethign that I coupld place on a page and then create a form to allow for users to add things or update things as needed as the game world progresses
[22:45:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> Sorry I'm kinda shorthanding that response
[22:46:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> No worries you explained it pretty well
[22:48:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> For the format, lua and json tables are so similar you could almost get a lua table after a simple regex replace of some brackets on your json list. Or use a converter that I'm sure should exist online
[22:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> Forms are more tricky
[22:49:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> The only solution I know is the PageForms extension and it's only able to edit wikitext pages afaik?
[22:51:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> I'm not certain if it's even possible to do that with any available extensions
[22:52:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xenareee> But yeah would need more details about your data and better yet, some links to what you have already. But I'm heading to sleep so no rush. Feel free to ping me in your support thread, and in the meantime maybe another volunteer chimes in
[22:58:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.guardianx.> Sure thing, ty!
[23:00:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> to do is to be amirite
[23:11:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> Thank you for electing me as a Global Rollbacker
[23:12:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> this is the second time i was gonna vote for an rfx but forgot to
[23:12:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> well this year at least
[23:13:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> congratulation @tali64
[23:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine> how do i add a custom curser to my wiki like: https://philosophyball.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[23:19:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [1/10] that wiki uses the following CSS to add that custom cursor:
[23:19:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [2/10] ```/Custom cursor/
[23:19:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [3/10] /Global cursor/
[23:19:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [4/10] body {
[23:19:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [5/10]         cursor: url('/wiki/Special:FilePath/Phil-cur.png'), default;
[23:19:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [6/10] }
[23:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [7/10] /Link cursor/
[23:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [8/10] a:hover {
[23:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [9/10]         cursor: url('/wiki/Special:FilePath/Phil-curhover.png'), pointer;
[23:19:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <elliethepwincess> [10/10] }```
[23:19:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to elliethepwincess> ok
[23:27:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/cursor
[23:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> i use custom cursors on one of my wikis as well
[23:31:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> ooh i should play around with this too
[23:31:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> i love seeing small custom stuff like this, wiki or otherwise
[23:33:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> Css customization is really neat
[23:33:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> shows how much the wiki editors care to make it high quality
[23:33:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> yeah absolutely
[23:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> CSS is just neat in general when i'm not fighting the code trying to make it work properly
[23:35:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> I have a super advanced strategy to never have to fight css
[23:35:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> ... never touching it?
[23:35:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236098933860859997/image.gif?ex=6636c657&is=663574d7&hm=7f3edb90b97298b90695a052367891404fb8356b04445c44a3220f9a3efe2c15&
[23:36:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> 😔 i wish i were you
[23:36:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> be like me, use potato css
[23:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> potato CSS is an apt description of the CSS i can manage to write ngl
[23:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> [1/2] make box™
[23:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236099149544427540/image.png?ex=6636c68a&is=6635750a&hm=f20c1077b5cd4cc635293c13f04908cb6a966fb6575161468ebb3779be13a3ee&
[23:37:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Unfortunately, the 'can't break it if you never modify it' philosophy only extends as far the MediaWiki/Skin creator's patch version. 😅
[23:37:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to raidarr> I see a perfectly respectable and acceptable box element, yes.  No notes.
[23:37:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> fair
[23:37:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> A more effective version
[23:37:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> “cant break it if you never make it”
[23:38:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Heh.  The only perfect wiki is the one that's never made?
[23:38:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I think you just solved the chicken-and-egg paradox.
[23:38:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm> side note: congrats @tali64!
[23:39:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <brandon.wm, replying to notaracham> very true :p
[23:39:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> I am simultaneously the wisest and dumbest man in this server
[23:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [1/5] >be me
[23:41:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [2/5] >has custom cursor for my wiki
[23:41:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [3/5] >doesnt even have a main page set up
[23:41:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [4/5] life is great
[23:41:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236100303690928158/caramelldansen?ex=6636c79e&is=6635761e&hm=d7096c603a5fb0d2a10bde2e1d4a6559010cce430d785ebb216e1f79eb94a497&
[23:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [1/5] >be me
[23:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [2/5] >has custom cursor for my wiki
[23:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [3/5] >doesnt even have a main page set up
[23:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [4/5] life is great
[23:41:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to pixldev> [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236100413921693848/caramelldansen.gif?ex=6636c7b8&is=66357638&hm=5aa2cb6f919edc4973eddc17e2f9bfc3638337415e13d242a60c7da2059b65b3&
[23:43:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> At least your wikis content dont look like [[mh:nyctocosm]]
[23:43:08] <wm-bot>	 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/nyctocosm
[23:43:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://nyctocosm.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[23:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> oh good LORD...
[23:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> this is certainly a skin choice if ive ever seen one
[23:44:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to clockworky> Anisa
[23:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> ive never seen anyone use that skin like ever
[23:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Giving me big elder scrolls vibes.
[23:44:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I had a little bit of work making a custom look with timeless
[23:44:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> Appropirate ish considering the topic i think
[23:44:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to clockworky> 2011 again idk
[23:45:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to pixldev> Kinda cool
[23:45:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> https://tenor.com/view/popotan-caramelldansen-gif-27040061
[23:45:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> No gifspam, plz
[23:46:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to clockworky> ||"Dance on my balls. Cat fucking a handbag, is not a lie, lisa on the crowd said, look Harry had a vagina malfunction"||
[23:46:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1067166845083320470/1173761283145859162/image.png?ex=6636bfe1&is=66356e61&hm=f9a0e2da566e1c78afc3097a78063187266cf90bba4a92e8e5bbf9012e42c21c&
[23:47:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to emicraftnoob> Excuse me. Not needed
[23:47:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> i love misheard lyrics but jeez 😭
[23:47:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to clockworky> Uruapan mexican lucky
[23:47:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> wasn’t that bad actually
[23:47:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> one day i’d like to finish
[23:48:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> but I have way to many things to do
[23:48:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ….hey if anyone wants a wiki to practice css customization…….
[23:48:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to pixldev> Isn't that just Dev Wiki
[23:48:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> I don't think that is related but I hate when people use Common.css for everything in their skin
[23:49:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to tali64> sssssh
[23:49:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> no
[23:49:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> if you use common.css for a skin specific modification no offense, but your account should be LOCKED PERMANENTLY NO APPEAL
[23:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i mean to customize with css to look good
[23:50:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <idrinklisterine, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> horrid
[23:50:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> I'm referring that they put things that only look good in a certain skin
[23:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> [1/2] Example
[23:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236102717986836590/Screenshot_20240503_174924_Brave.jpg?ex=6636c9dd&is=6635785d&hm=8f71282da3fd4af33d976436022ffac9d894bf3877bdadb30c2a253c206ceeea&
[23:51:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> i used to have this wiki called Memipedia, just memes, and i just had a meme color scheme for every individual skin
[23:51:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> vector/vector-2022 were doge schemed, monobook was pepe
[23:51:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> the mobile skin was also doge actually forgot what it was called
[23:51:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> cheems?
[23:52:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> yea
[23:52:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> i was more asking what the mobile skin was called, but it was cheems themed
[23:52:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> ... do i even want to click
[23:52:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> what
[23:52:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to emicraftnoob> Jeez if theres stuff for Monobook put it in monobook.css
[23:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> not even that bad tbh its just poor skin choice 😭
[23:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> am I not trustworthy with that I link anymore is that itV
[23:53:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> :(
[23:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob> Stick with Vector
[23:53:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> the only 4 skins i like are vector, citizen, monobook and nostalgia
[23:53:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> well,
[23:53:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> sort of,
[23:53:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (its fine i promise, it’s a minecraft datapack)
[23:53:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to verityoffaith> THAT WAS A ONE OFF CASE AND EXPLICITLY MARKED IMO
[23:53:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> click on the link for free ram‼️‼️
[23:53:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> cough sorry
[23:53:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> fair enough
[23:53:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to clockworky> free raaaam
[23:53:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to clockworky> downloadram.com
[23:54:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> i remember when zppix made a free ram wiki or smth like that
[23:54:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verityoffaith> also i don't see what the problem with its layout is? if that was supposed to be the takeaway?
[23:54:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> `downloadramwiki`
[23:54:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> i wad refering to the overall spare content
[23:54:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> its gone now ;(
[23:54:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to clockworky> I can't wait for the Download ROM Wiki
[23:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> plus a subpar main page
[23:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky, replying to tali64> nintendo ninjas showing up to miraheze hq 😭
[23:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (sorry about the ABSW thing in hindsight i should have let that conversation die way sooner then it did. My apologies.)
[23:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to clockworky> We gotta ask NIWA to pass us the secrets of not getting sued
[23:57:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> [1/2] whatever the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research in New Zealand does to not get sued by nintendo must be WILD
[23:57:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1236104269476663416/image.png?ex=6636cb4f&is=663579cf&hm=79a924111e2b1a6cce23c35ffc7b0ad2bdd53b5a30beaa018d04d3afa79587e9&
[23:57:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to clockworky> PFFFT
[23:58:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://niwanetwork.com
[23:58:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> rhythm heaven wiki 🔥
[23:58:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> whats the url
[23:58:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> https://www.niwanetwork.org/
[23:58:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emicraftnoob, replying to clockworky> Going to backup all the wiki and save it in a USB
[23:58:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64, replying to clockworky> Nintendo obviously supports accurate weather forecasts
[23:58:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tali64> But this conversation is getting #offtopic
[23:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to clockworky> ye
[23:59:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> should have taken niwa.net
[23:59:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> if it was open
[23:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <clockworky> short domains like those are usually more expensive