[00:31:06] I feel like I need an ELI5 on infobox templates 😭 [00:48:13] Have you checked out https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes yet? [00:50:16] [1/2] Also an earlier conversation that may be helpful if you're using portable info boxes: [00:50:17] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1214708113194885221 [01:15:46] [1/3] does anyone know how to move this image? (see picture) [01:15:47] [2/3] all the images i put are all in one column, but i want to make the images in two colums (no tables) [01:15:47] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240835121297489970/Screen_Shot_2024-05-16_at_6.13.30_PM.png?ex=66480142&is=6646afc2&hm=a2f144c5d484f6f079d8688e75d38a26551138c95936df27da7c0e723be7cc45& [01:16:29] align: left maaaybe? [01:19:13] [1/2] I'd use `` tag [01:19:13] [2/2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Gallery_tag [01:25:23] Gallery tag's probably simplest, but multiple ways to solve [01:47:55] hey [01:48:00] is there a simple way to make a portal page [01:48:08] as just a user not a admin [02:03:11] [1/4] You mean like the portals on Wikipedia? [02:03:11] [2/4] They are basically just tables on a page. Granted, they've made it complex with templates and such, but in a nutshell. [02:03:11] [3/4] They've also put them in the Portal namespace, which you could create on your wiki if you wanted, but it's not necessary. [02:03:11] [4/4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Namespaces [02:34:39] yeah like wikipedia and alrighty ty [03:09:23] I’m trying to be unblocked from ILW because I’m really sorry for my actions on NQP [03:10:37] [1/2] The folks who can help you are listed here, they aren't on this discord to my knowledge: [03:10:37] [2/2] https://imaginationland.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ListUsers/sysop [03:11:28] [1/2] Well @cyaniwynd is. [03:11:28] [2/2] Also, I can’t edit my talk page there [03:17:12] Also, apparently, the user im trying to contact won’t even answer me, it’s the user who blocked me [03:22:27] After a quick review, given history on various qualitipedia-related projects (and inherent nature of the projects), unblock is extremely unlikely. As much as you would like an unblock, finding another outlet is likely a better use of time. Advice is in a personal capacity, not a functionary decree. [03:22:43] Then contact Wynd instead of posting here..? Just my personal advice of course [03:22:58] They aren't very active in this server afaik [03:23:21] I tried on meta, and they won’t even respond [03:23:36] well maybe contact them on discord, not everyone checks meta [03:26:05] I wish I was never blocked there in the first place:Plush_J_Staring: [03:54:59] do note well that repeatedly bothering admins over an unblock request is and can be reported as a case of harassment [05:04:08] Oh I just realized who the person requesting unblock is [05:04:51] @hockeyboonchuy_17853 I'm an active reception wiki editor and former moderator of one and I highly doubt you will get unblocked considering your antics in Netpedia & etc [05:06:02] Going to put a quick nail in it here as there's a general pattern with regards to any kind of unblock discussions - any further can be had in #offtopic (provided it stays civil/respectful) or preferably, private DMs. Let's try and keep this channel for support :). [05:06:17] Alright understood [05:06:21] Many thanks to @koreirose and @m3w for assisting. [05:06:25] Np [05:42:42] Thanks, so I need to request for a config change instead. [05:43:39] My current wiki on Miraheze allows others to make edits but not saving them. And I did not publish licensing text online, so there isn't one. [05:43:54] But contents are open to be used and shared [06:05:41] seriously, just change it to private wiki and allow folks on invite basis [06:06:08] But how can I allow public visits if doing this [06:10:10] I've seen some wikis add certain pages to the read whitelist [06:10:19] creating a private/public hybrid [06:48:55] [1/2] Hi does somebody know the css class of the preview popups. I want to change the color to black. [06:48:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240918958509654036/image.png?ex=66484f56&is=6646fdd6&hm=2e7ffb8018161155f7a29aa9fe2cc450bae5d0190459b91c4a3b9b98a82193bb& [06:54:22] oh, this one is hard [06:54:41] it was asked before but I don't remember if solution was foung [06:55:06] you can try to pinpoint class w/ debug pause in Firefox at least [07:01:28] .mwe-popups .mwe-popups-extract [07:05:12] K will try it [07:11:18] [1/2] It works halfly. The image background and the frame should be black as well [07:11:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240924590650429470/image.png?ex=66485495&is=66470315&hm=c1008b02db84ef42d790e6a67079162490dc03293e344abc34b23a56f44c50a0& [07:11:43] is there an option for chrome? [07:12:54] .mwe-popups-container [07:16:26] sorry, I'm certified chrome hater [07:17:15] can kinda understand it. I use mainly waterfox [07:25:51] it either doesnt want to refresh or it doesnt work [07:32:36] need to do .mwe-popups .mwe-popups-container so that the specificity overrides the default [08:08:48] Is it normal that pages takes about 2 seconds to load, or is there something we can do to improve wiki performance? [08:15:26] In fact Miraheze initial page response is over 20x slower than our own hosted MediaWiki (Firefox inspector sees over 1000ms for https://wiki.themanaworld.org/wiki/Es:Generic_Items, whereas it is little over 30ms for https://oldwiki.themanaworld.org/index.php/Es:Generic_Items). [08:23:46] I hate Chrome it's disgusting and annoying but I love Chromium [08:24:43] Been a firefox user for at least 3 years [08:25:01] There is a way to do a "pause" in Chrome for these kinds of things, forgot how but there's a stack overflow post explaining it somewhere [08:26:43] I love Firefox for its functionality and design, but to equivalent implementations Chromium has more good algorithms [08:27:58] This is why I experience greater CPU consumption on Firefox [08:28:26] I have a chromium fork which probably doesn't receive updates anymore, just for CSS testing lol [08:28:32] Upon analysing the codes there are mathematical operations which seem to be repeative and unreasnable [08:29:22] Ohh nice since CSS is old school technology [08:30:05] I mean that some things show up differently between browser engines and it's frustrating lol [08:30:26] Like what? [08:30:29] why won't everyone use firefox lmao [08:30:45] From my experience Chromium and Firefox have equivalent features [08:31:11] I poke around wikis CSS a lot [08:31:19] So I love Firefox but for its mathematically operations, it harvests my CPU resources too much [08:31:34] I didn't noticed about any differences [08:31:48] On Firefox and Chromium, I mean [08:36:48] But for Safari, yes there are many differences on implementing different Web standards [09:02:31] [1/4] You are talking in unclear sentences from my perspective. [09:02:32] [2/4] As I said: You can not make up licenses based on subjective clauses. [09:02:32] [3/4] You need to find an existing license, that is closest to what you want. [09:02:32] [4/4] So please describe what the license would require. [09:02:58] [1/2] like this? [09:02:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240952693187674142/image.png?ex=66486ec1&is=66471d41&hm=7a4eb62d5bcc56aa1e51756c44f61b3e8201752d99de8f9881b5c0ed7a13f08b& [09:03:32] reject firefox, embrace waterfox [09:03:47] try doing it in inspect element first to see if it works, but it should work [09:04:10] cant because once i remove my mouse it goes away [09:06:13] [1/2] idk if its the same on waterfox, but on firefox if u go to the debugger tab in inspect element it tells u what the keybind to pause js is, press it while hovered over the link [09:06:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1240953512309821530/image.png?ex=66486f85&is=66471e05&hm=dc3440946ee5d9cd5d38348a02af488c7fd9784ffaa5feb93e243441fc21bdd2& [09:06:53] I consulted with someone else before asking about a license which can fall into, he/she confirmed with me this would require a configuration change [09:06:58] This happened yesterday [09:07:37] *before, asking about [09:09:30] What configuration change should that be? [09:09:46] I remember he/she mentioned something like SR [09:11:57] [1/3] That is not a configuration. That is the [[Stewards Request]] pages [09:11:57] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards_Request [09:11:57] [2/3] You need to make clear what you want. [09:11:58] [3/3] If it is to difficult in English, do it in Chinese and translate it to English [09:11:58]

[09:12:32] Thanks for letting me know, and I have no difficulties in English. [09:12:45] I'll raise a request later then. [09:26:43] In theory, I suppose you could make [[mw:Manual:$wgRightsText]] "proprietary" and leave the licensing requirements to Project:Copyrights, but I'm not sure if this would be legal [09:26:43] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:%24wgRightsText [09:26:44]

[09:29:11] I think it's suitable for Phorge [09:30:14] I don't believe ManageWiki had a requirement for a license to operate under managewiki-restricted [09:47:54] [1/3] The problem from my point of view is that he wanted a license based on `"any people can freely use any contents for any proposes provided if such use is ethical and comes to the interest of the modern society"` [09:47:54] [2/3] The technical side of this is beyond me 🙂 [09:47:55] [3/3] Only the requirements of the license he wants to create, which is impossible. There are no provisions in law that enforce "Ethics" or "Morality". So as I see it, it is unnecessary to create a custom task for something which has no base to build on. [09:54:31] [1/3] For example: Abortion. Is that Ethical or unethical? Depends from what point of view, and where that law is implemented. In Pakistan it's forbidden, in the Netherlands it's allowed. Our servers are in the US, but the writer could be in Russia. [09:54:32] [2/3] Most likely the US state where our servers are hosted would be leading from the Miraheze point of view, but LI AO would be in disagreement perhaps if he is against abortion. [09:54:32] [3/3] So it's a hornets nest to deal with. You can't enforce what is a personal opinion. [12:13:02] Yeah, that kind of vague license just doesn't work. Sure there are commercial and non-commercial licenses where potentially one could debate over whether something is commercial or not but ethics and "interests of society" is way too vague to the point where it's pretty much pointless to inclue as anyone can argue that it's ethical according to their own standards [14:26:54] Phorge is definitely the right place for requesting a custom license outside what is natively supported, but agreed that licenses are tricky to get right [16:14:46] [1/3] I'm sorry that I have many things to do, but I saw your messages above. Please allow me to explain. [16:14:46] [2/3] The reason for removing the CC BY-SA logo is because this may tell people that it should apply in terms of dictating the licensing model of wiki contents. The reason to add the above contexts is more like to make a declaration that contents are available to be used freely for ethical manners or such use comes to the interest of the modern society, instead I did not expilicitly forbid a [16:14:46] [3/3] ny uses through this declaration. [16:16:21] So the expected outcome is, I wanted to show up signals that good uses of contents are welcome, and I don't expilicitly forbid any uses which falls under clauses that are not indended to be. [16:18:52] [1/2] Because I did not formally make up any legal documents nor did I purpose another logo that actually tells that I use another legal form of licensing model for my wiki, information found in the licensing part from wiki settings is more like some sort of declarations. I can't dictate how others may use my contents for their own use, and I'm not intended to take controls over such activit [16:18:52] [2/2] ies. [16:34:37] 🤝 [16:36:38] Still not sure what waterfox does differently but if it’s cool May switch [16:40:59] Ok, it’s been around 5 days, I haven’t figured out how to see if my wiki has been accepted or not, would a nice engineer/admin of miraheze, or anyone really look under the wiki “Pixuniverse”? If yuo have done it, it’s is very appreciated and thank yuo 🙂 [16:41:26] What’s your wiki username [16:41:39] boredguy7773 [16:42:04] Please hold [16:43:05] Your request was closed as the wiki creator asked for additional details and never got a response [16:43:12] You are free to address the concerns and reopen [16:43:19] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/44229#mw-section-comments [16:43:39] Please check if you have an email attached to your account to be notified about new comments [16:44:15] Oh bro I didn’t know how to get to that page, man I’m so dumb:xsob: [16:44:36] It’s fine :) [16:44:58] You can go to https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue select all and your username [16:46:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1241069309074210981/IMG_2113.png?ex=6648db5d&is=664789dd&hm=98922917e1b0a43335f159b23a5ae6ceb206c375a8a4fcbdac7f24a064ea0ace& [16:47:47] The database name is a bit weird [16:47:52] It’s actually subdomainwiki [16:48:00] Oh [16:48:01] Ie my wiki is nyctocosm.Miraheze.org [16:48:06] Oh ok [16:48:06] It’s db name is nyctocosmwiki [16:48:09] Lowercase [16:48:17] I thought it meant the site name🤦🏼‍♂️ [16:48:22] Or just leave it blank for all requests from you [16:48:28] It is confusing tbh [16:49:06] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1241070001771778179/IMG_2114.png?ex=6648dc02&is=66478a82&hm=b4c354985aa3cf16fb4fde09ba69e3e1fb70eaa08f2b1734ddf2d691bcbbeae6& [16:50:12] Oh [16:50:20] This will be more confusing than I thought it would be [16:51:05] I will stop trying, I have no idea what the heck I’m supposed to answer [16:51:12] It’s too confusing [16:51:14] Goodbye [16:52:04] And they're gone. [16:52:59] Huh [16:55:28] I'm curious, but has anyone here ever tried to advertise their wiki elsewhere? On Reddit, or anywhere else for that matter? While it seems like the best way to attract a wave of trolls and cause mass vandalism, I wonder if it isn't the fastest way to get publicity. [16:59:13] Oh plenty probably. Some are endorsed by a game’s developers lord have socials on Twitter or Mastodon [16:59:20] Reddit probably depending on size [17:00:57] Ah yes, but for that to happen, the wiki must already be known, and not lost in the limbo of search engines. [17:01:00] is it possible to change the [17:01:02] url for my wiki [17:01:04] Yes [17:01:15] You need to make a [[phorge]] task [17:01:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge [17:01:16]

[17:01:27] what about redirects [17:01:29] like two urls for the same wiki [17:01:35] We can set up a redirect I think [17:02:25] can you help me with that [17:02:33] i want to change the scope of my wiki to be more specific [17:03:12] If you want to change the scope you need approval on [[SR/M]] once your approve I can assist in making a task [17:03:12] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/M [17:03:13]

[17:03:26] its not much of a scope change [17:03:29] its like [17:03:51] [1/2] here's an example: [17:03:51] [2/2] if original wiki was about history, then the scope change would be u.s. history [17:03:58] thats not my wiki, but an example [17:04:46] I think it's generally the opposite [17:05:00] But I'm probably talking nonsense [17:05:13] I mean you’re right [17:05:18] I had worst experience at trying to advertise wikis on reddit tbh [17:05:36] Oh yeah, how's that? [17:05:44] nobody cares [17:05:55] I care [17:06:11] I meant people on reddit don't care lmao [17:06:27] It’s fucking Reddit [17:06:37] It wasn't a bad experience then, was it? [17:06:39] twitter when it was ok and public helped to boost my first wiki in google [17:07:33] Then I was talking about Reddit as an example [17:07:51] For me it was a massive success [17:08:14] idk man it always feels like a joke to me [17:08:21] in 2017, in 2023 [17:08:29] nothing worked lol [17:08:35] whatever [17:08:58] Sorry to hear that [17:09:08] going round discord servers seems to be more sensible [17:09:43] Wikipedia is very biased [17:09:45] facebook too, maybe [17:09:55] The thing is, other than Reddit, I have no idea where advertising is possible. [17:10:20] but facebook is like ... strange on target audience [17:10:21] eh, twitter is too much to hanf;e [17:10:33]