[00:34:52] You may be calling the template on its own page without using a tag [01:01:21] That is extremely weird [01:02:05] Citizen does not modify how a user page is rendered [01:02:40] Is there a good written guide somewhere for how mass edit regex works? [01:17:45] Only one I'm aware of is [01:18:57] Thanks [01:22:20] [1/7] - anything can go in the "replace with" part u dont have to worry abt syntax for that. put \n for newlines [01:22:21] [2/7] - "search for" needs to be in slashes /like this/ [01:22:21] [3/7] - left square brackets (among some other characters) need to be escaped with a backslash in front `\[\[like this]]`, right square brackets are fine without i think? [01:22:21] [4/7] - "." is a wildcard. putting "*" after something is like saying "any number of this letter" [01:22:22] [5/7] - if u put something (in brackets) u can call it with $1 in the replace with [01:22:22] [6/7] - so searching for `/\{\{template\|(.*)}}/` and replacing with `{{template2|$1}}` will replace the template while keeping the contents of it [01:22:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:template2 [01:22:22] [7/7] - if it gets mad at you just keep adding backslashes until it stops being mad [01:50:53] Is it possible to get a url change on Miraheze [02:07:35] yes via a phab task. [03:48:09] Thank you so much [03:50:54] There Seems to be a Question About Citizens [03:52:06] [1/2] Under normal circumstances, Citizen should display two edit keys, one corresponding to source code editing and the other corresponding to visual editing. [03:52:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244135950884536350/Screenshot_20240526_114950_com.android.chrome.png?ex=66540365&is=6652b1e5&hm=cea9bf1ca96561908ec69d07df64a10b486ccb800f77aa1e13547bc1a2a1ae02& [03:53:33] [1/2] But on the https://www.gengbaike.top/wiki/晋城话说给晋城人, it doesn't show up like this, but strangely shows only one button, and only source code editing is left on the mobile end [03:53:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244136316870856704/Screenshot_20240526_115001_com.android.chrome_1.png?ex=665403bc&is=6652b23c&hm=4350632364652f3120c6bfaa776471256cec7b3bf99961ac1a1199b1c26d5fd1& [03:54:58] feel free to comment [03:55:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Global_groups_reform [03:57:19] [1/3] Figure 1 shows the normal Citizen mobile interface, and Figure 2 shows the mobile interface where the problem occurs [03:57:19] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244137264125182012/Screenshot_20240526_115340_com.android.chrome.jpg?ex=6654049e&is=6652b31e&hm=fce6f337cca0b68e58332bcd500d8b5c024fea948eb3fb368e43121835f7cf7c& [03:57:20] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244137264435691630/Screenshot_20240526_115457_com.android.chrome.jpg?ex=6654049e&is=6652b31e&hm=2d1bbdda427d04dc00455cbdec8f1e622c7fee9fa809c1b4439c99f287938c25& [05:40:28] Well, Citizen isn't updated to latest version on MH so we can't tell if it is another bug [05:47:32] Does anyone know if it's possible to import images from another wiki (including history) onto a Miraheze wiki? [05:51:58] [1/2] yes, images import has to be done via phorge task tho [05:51:58] [2/2] history of files (file pages) however is in xml dump [05:55:38] I will comment later [06:01:02] Does the image import contain history? [06:02:16] no, but images are tied w/ pages of File namespace (`File:` prefix), they contain history and file descriptions [06:02:43] if you ask about versions of files - that I don't know [06:03:24] Got it. Sorry if I'm being unclear, I'm talking about the revisions of files. Is this what you referred to in the second message? [06:03:42] by versions yeah [06:03:54] I'm not sure how it works [08:45:45] It is fixed in the latest version. Miraheze was on the older version. [09:20:17] 502 😮 [09:22:45] Others having "Error 502 Bad Gateway" ? [09:24:25] same [09:26:37] oh hey verity [09:26:43] fancy seeing you here [09:27:47] [1/2] wiki is offline ? [09:27:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244220428554076170/image.png?ex=66545212&is=66530092&hm=c1daf5ab1357e2d2fc54adc268b6bd1affea4957573736bc3d7e5ce6fad21b32& [09:27:56] i just got that [09:28:09] error 502 bad gateway [09:28:19] im giving it a bit any then trying agaib [09:28:28] Yes. Was already noted indeed [09:28:41] thank the light I wasnt doing a big page edit [09:31:44] same [09:40:16] same here [09:41:21] was doing cargo api calls I thought I killed it [09:44:27] i would have been terrified [09:46:41] I see the problem [09:46:50] @Infrastructure Specialists we have no cloud15 [09:47:07] Howdy! 👋🏻 [09:47:21] yo man [09:47:21] I see we've got a problem with Miraheze. [09:47:26] yes, many wikis do [09:47:27] Yes [09:47:37] How long it will take to fix that? [09:48:27] Depends [09:48:48] Sadly it sabotaged my plans. Thought I will finish my book, but it seems it'll have to wait. [09:49:23] I'm in wiki editing mood as well, but I got other shit to work on as well [09:50:54] same [09:51:04] Anything on cloud15 is dead [09:51:08] Which is a lot of wikis [09:52:01] Other wikis seem to be struggling [09:52:32] [1/3] actually just got error message on another wiki [09:52:33] [2/3] `Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp36 at Sun, 26 May 2024 09:51:57 GMT [09:52:33] [3/3] Varnish XID 452528481, serving ...` [09:54:31] Got that as well [09:55:42] It's expected [09:55:51] For now [09:56:10] @bluemoon0332 might be able to make it fail quicker [09:56:12] hmmm, guess I should've taken that offer to get cache-admins and cf access huh [09:56:31] Which would potentially help reduce load from db timeout [09:56:56] @bluemoon0332 I can deactive cloud15 [09:56:59] In cf [09:57:09] yeah, do that [09:57:13] No one is getting cf errors though [09:57:19] I think it's just struggling [09:57:21] Cause load [09:57:35] but there's clearly something wrong with the servers there [09:58:55] @rhinosf1 both mw151 and mw152 are unreachable from bast181 [09:59:25] preventing requests from getting routed there might prevent _some_ errors, even if it's at the cost of increased load for the rest [10:00:23] @bluemoon0332 can you tell mediawiki c1 is dead [10:00:27] <0phiuchus.> Did someone switch off a rack again 😂 [10:00:28] It might reduce load [10:00:39] Like we've done for past outages of dbs [10:01:00] If we can make it fail faster, that might help [10:01:12] A cloud server [10:01:12] All of cloud15 is def [10:01:13] Dead [10:01:26] mw151/mw152 are dropped from cloudflare [10:01:28] sure [10:01:44] I'll mark it as "undergoing maintenance" [10:01:53] @bluemoon0332 that'll just RO [10:01:57] We need to stop it trying [10:02:01] damn [10:02:21] well I'm sure I can come up with something [10:02:30] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/37beaa78521eed9d012389b02f96420171a19542/LocalSettings.php#L67 [10:02:35] That might do it [10:02:48] @bluemoon0332 ^ [10:03:27] Add c1 [10:08:20] @bluemoon0332 you will have to --force a deploy [10:16:47] @bluemoon0332 did that work [10:16:54] Think of a c1 wiki [10:17:11] I'm having a _bit_ of a problem doing that [10:17:35] `889d0302e888867e-MAD` @rhinosf1 can you tell me what went wrong with that rayid? [10:18:42] @bluemoon0332 what sort of error do you get? [10:18:46] 502 [10:18:53] Im getting error 503 [10:19:00] im getting 502 [10:19:02] Meta = 502 [10:19:05] @bluemoon0332 then things are still broke [10:19:15] 502 will just tell me 502 [10:19:25] 503 [10:19:28] Error 504 Gateway Timeout [10:19:32] On a custom domain if that [10:19:34] Helps anything [10:19:46] custom domains will show 502/503 [10:19:47] error 502 bad gateway [10:19:59] According to my wikis it's 522. [10:20:01] Dang. [10:20:03] normal wikis will show 592/504/522 [10:20:10] 502, 503, 504, 522... [10:20:19] Do you think we're under cyberattack? [10:20:24] No [10:20:29] no [10:20:30] Don't worry. I'm not against people, tbf. [10:20:31] There is no evidence of a cyber attack [10:20:33] [1/2] Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp51.wikitide.net at Sun, 26 May 2024 10:20:18 GMT [10:20:33] [2/2] Varnish XID 5210472, serving (my ip) [10:20:41] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244233742357233734/image.png?ex=66545e78&is=66530cf8&hm=307555538a6160b2e60d20838f84ba1f88be0045c9e781bc8e50efad09877ae8& [10:20:43] Thank The Force! 😐 [10:20:56] That doesn’t look like a good sign [10:20:59] Yes prom/graphite are also dead 🙂 [10:21:01] :ThinkerMH: [10:21:20] Well, looks like I need to play in something. But that's a topic for #offtopic. [10:21:41] One of our hypervisors has decided it's going to not respond [10:22:30] Until someone from Infra gets here, we're likely to have trouble [10:22:40] Someone lost a few coin flips and now my wiki isn’t working 💔 [10:22:42] I'm not sure why load on the other servers is struggling though [10:22:53] We should be able to cope with 2 backends out [10:23:12] @bluemoon0332 will have to manually check php-fpm status and slowlog [10:28:48] <0phiuchus.> You guys are badass, you’ll get it sorted :) [10:29:02] We're working on it [10:29:44] Um, I have error on the wiki [10:29:51] Please read up [10:30:15] Error 502 Bad Gateway [10:30:35] <0phiuchus.> The dudes have it in hand [10:30:41] Please remain calm! [10:30:47] Miraheze service doing what they can! [10:31:10] They're doing they part. [10:31:23] Are you doing your part? [10:32:16] https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-o7-fancy-diamonds-gif-24044766 [10:32:31] Got a link, 'll put on #offtopic. [10:32:58] Or no! Here. Will be better. [10:32:59] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_le3HEcLFSY [10:33:13] Remember! We're all doing our own Part! [10:33:20] For Super Earth! XD [10:34:53] Please do not keep telling us we're down [10:35:08] All that's doing is making me look at a different screen to the one that's going to bring us back up [10:35:33] @MediaWiki Support Volunteers can someone please take over watching here [10:36:08] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244237629692841984/IMG_3566.png?ex=66546217&is=66531097&hm=c223a7ab0c73f8ef869f63a01bfe84bed464aea2d3f3c78e837a695989fe5a61& [10:36:15] Really? [10:36:24] Did you not read up 2 messages [10:36:34] I'm here [10:36:41] The service started fail yesterday [10:36:49] @rodejong can you please keep repeating that we're down and we know it [10:37:05] Consider that dne [10:37:48] From Saturday, May 25th 2024 started at fail the wiki [10:38:32] We can not triage that now, as we're solving a larger problem [10:38:46] Please open a support thread [10:38:55] I’m gonna write my templates in notepad while I wait [10:39:31] I got the same thing too. [10:40:00] [1/2] We're aware of that. [10:40:00] [2/2] They are solving that now [10:40:17] Good, good... [10:40:21] I have no idea how long it takes [10:40:49] :EpicFaceMH: [10:41:05] I wonder what first went wrong for everything to turn out like this [10:41:07] If it was a cyber-attack, we'd know about it firsthand. [10:41:42] But these errors are quite common. [10:41:43] A hypervisor rebooted [10:41:53] But hasn't started up correctly [10:41:54] I opened a thread [10:42:07] The infrastructure team are working to resolve the issues as soon as possible [10:42:20] That's good to know. [10:42:32] There is no evidence that it was caused in anyway by any malicious activity or cyber attack. [10:42:37] you guys are legends [10:43:24] Next year it will be 10 years since the creation of Miraheze. [10:43:35] Wow [10:44:01] an entire decade of Miraheze [10:44:17] man [10:44:36] The reason I know about it was because they advertise the amount of years they've been in service for, every July. If anything, they've been in service since July 2015. [10:45:44] Yep, pretty basic. [10:45:54] thats cool, where do you find that? [10:46:14] On the main page of Miraheze Meta. [10:46:20] oki ty [10:46:29] You're welcome. [10:46:35] how are you doing, darkfawful? [10:47:30] Good. I've been on Miraheze for 4 years, since January 29th, 2020. It's a long story anyways. [10:48:31] _since november_ [10:49:19] It was a very long time before 502 decided to appear, aye? [10:49:21] 😐 [10:49:30] Was quiet for a too long. [10:49:34] Nah! Don't worry. [10:54:23] We're back online! [10:54:30] Yeah!! [10:54:44] since migration to US servers it's been very steady (not counting DDOS) [10:54:47] yay [10:54:49] just needed to individually restart VMs on cloud15 [10:54:56] 🥳 [10:55:00] not sure what happened there as that's above my paygrade, someone else will need to investigate [10:55:07] 🫡 [10:55:45] <0phiuchus.> Our wiki is now working, thanks for your hard work guys [10:56:52] cheers to the tech people [10:56:59] hi [10:58:14] Cheers to @paladox for the guidance [10:58:49] wikicord doesn't work 💀 [10:59:34] link? [11:02:44] https://wikicord.miraheze.org/wiki/Pagina_principale [11:03:42] it works for me [11:07:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244245468599287808/Screenshot_20240526-125616.png?ex=66546964&is=665317e4&hm=a0e3e0f575e93565c7fb4e7e018e0278994b64efce4773520e400a9f2c71628f& [11:07:26] wiki under maintenance [11:07:35] I've been waiting for 5 hours 😭 [11:08:03] Please clear your cache and cookies, and try again. [11:08:59] ok! [11:09:16] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244245968862445588/image.png?ex=665469db&is=6653185b&hm=59b953317033582f4d1f5bbbceaa5dae64bf1291c75f9d1b6cc83640c740ea7d& [11:09:18] Oh right, I now saw that OrangeStar marked some wikis as undergoing maintenance [11:09:37] and that was recently reverted [11:09:37] Then we shouldn't be able to see them either [11:09:46] yeah that's why there might be some cache issues [11:09:54] so fully clearing cache should do it [11:09:54] erm right [11:18:23] now works [11:26:03] <_______________________________d> is miraheze getting hit with some more ddos attacks [11:26:18] <_______________________________d> everything is loading really slowly [11:26:27] No, this was not DDOS related [11:26:33] <_______________________________d> ah [11:26:39] <_______________________________d> guess i should remove the notice [11:28:31] <_______________________________d> gonna work on the site later, dont feel like it right now [11:28:38] <_______________________________d> writing feels like a chore, why do i do it [11:57:37] it should be a bit faster now [11:57:43] <_______________________________d> nice [12:22:21] Does anyone here have any experience extracting apks? [12:26:52] APKs are just zips [12:27:13] Same with IPA (if you ever get one) [12:27:54] Rename .apk to .zip and you can get the files inside [12:45:32] please do not mention this game, I do not want to recall the fucking creek anymore. [12:51:41] <0phiuchus.> Is there a way to measure a wiki’s traffic? [12:52:13] Special:Analytics is barebones, google search console is good [12:52:24] <0phiuchus.> 👍🏼 thanks [12:52:51] 您好,请问有中文的客户服务吗? [12:58:16] ccprvl-kiwi: we are extremely limited by non-English support [13:01:42] 如果我想要一个帐号,请问该怎么办? [13:01:42] >> If I need an account, what should I do? [13:02:06] [1/2] wait is special:analytics supposed to show site specific stats? i think im seeing universal stats on my wiki and i thought that was what it was supposed to be:ThinkerMH: [13:02:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244274363641892954/image.png?ex=6654844d&is=665332cd&hm=702d57d32de68c93abb9297b009844079659f25b576308d917d36686738f99bb& [13:03:22] ccprvl-kiwi: anyone can create an account [13:03:47] It should be [13:06:21] 请让我解释一下:我想建立一个政治维基,在香港现时的网络环境很不安全。我尝试购买了很多款代理,但是都被封锁了无法使用。请问我该怎么办? [13:06:21] >> Allow me to explain: I want a political wiki but at present in Hong Kong the network situation remains to be very dangerous. I have tried buying many proxies, but were all blocked and cannot be used. Please, what should I need to do? [13:07:32] registration from proxy, vpn or tor is prohibited as anti spam/vandalism measure, you need to email stewards to create an account for you [13:07:47] I'm not sure which is correct email rn tho [13:07:55] iirc once you have account you can use it everywhere [13:08:15] yeah, after registration you can use proxy [13:10:06] 我目前不会搞破坏,购买的代理全都无法使用。请问怎么联系管理者? [13:10:10] >> I don't plan to do vandalism for the moment. All my proxies purchased are unavailable for use. How do I contact the administration? [13:11:10] cvt@miraheze.org [13:12:16] used to be `stewards@miraheze.org` [13:13:40] [1/3] ^ @ ccprvl-kiwi [13:13:40] [2/3] one of them should work [13:13:40] [3/3] tell in email that you need an account but use proxies, they should make one for you [13:13:54] Global sysops can also make an account [13:14:01] 我之前联系的就是这个,但是没有使用英文。我需要使用英文再来一次吗?请原谅我的冒犯,我目前只能使用谷歌翻译系统。 [13:14:02] >> This is what I have used before, however I did not use English during that. Should I need to start afresh using English? Please excuse my insultions, I'm only able to use Google Translate's system. [13:14:02] Which is just labster [13:14:14] No worries [13:14:17] it's okay [13:14:21] Including an English translation should be fine [13:14:33] Just mention what email to send the account password to [13:15:13] 我可以用谷歌翻译成英文吗? [13:15:13] >> May I use Google to translate into English? [13:15:37] 谷歌翻译的英文应该没问题 [13:15:44] yea you can [13:16:15] 好的,谢谢。 [13:16:16] >> All right, thanks. [13:17:52] [1/2] No, I mean extracting the apk from the app [13:17:52] [2/2] I've tried but the apk comes out at like 3 MB whilst it should be over 300 [13:18:59] If it was downloaded from Google Play then you can't [13:19:10] u can poke around in the installed files on an emulator, but if its a game most times its encrypted some way [13:19:42] you can try apk mirror [13:20:08] I can't, the app version is currently in beta and hasn't been uploaded online yet [13:20:23] ccprvl-kiwi@outlook.com.au [13:20:23] >> ccprvl-kiwi@outlook.com.au [13:20:53] No need to send the email here [13:21:01] 这是我刚才写信的邮箱地址。 [13:21:02] >> This is the mail address I wrote my letter from. [13:21:17] irc messages can't be deleted [13:21:41] careful [13:21:52] 在给管理者的电邮里告诉他们你的电邮地址 [13:22:06] 我会注意的,的确我泄露了我的邮箱地址。 [13:22:06] >> I will take cautionary steps in the future. Yes, I have revealed my mail address. [13:22:34] I can delete them on discord [13:22:51] yeah but irc logs are public [13:23:01] 我还需要告诉他一遍吗?电子邮件软件好像可以看到。 [13:23:02] If absolutely needed it may be possible to remove them from public logs but anyone connected also has it locally [13:23:29] Best to just not acknowledge it and let it be buried [13:23:33] 保险一点多告诉他们一遍 [13:23:36] If you want I can delete here on discord [13:25:11] 没关系的,这是我专门从事公民运动电子邮件地址,我相信在港警中没有记录。 [13:25:12] >> You're welcome. This is a special email address I use for civic actions. I believe there is no records in Hong Kong Police records. [13:26:32] 我没有discord,我刚注册好就被封锁了,所以我找到了您的IRC。 [13:26:33] >> I do not have Discord, this was blocked followed by success registration. So instead, I found your IRC. [13:27:52] bruh what is this [13:28:01] I’ll assume what translated to your welcome(a common polite response to thanking someone) was meant to be agreement/ saying yes please? [13:28:07] "its fine" got mistranslated as "youre welcome" [13:28:13] Ah [13:28:21] is there auto translation in irc lol [13:28:25] Thank you for the clarification [13:29:36] 我的意思是,这没有关系。 [13:29:37] >> My point is, it does not matter. [15:39:45] We can ask whoever makes that IRC log thing to edit them [15:39:49] They're just text files [15:42:33] I think MacFan may have access [15:51:19] Ah ok [16:11:24] [1/3] how come my audio files look different and how would i revert it? [16:11:25] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244322003536842854/image.png?ex=6654b0ac&is=66535f2c&hm=b396c346d45026e6118a4dca2394300f18f546af5afc18bea8069d4d455621b9& [16:11:25] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244322003788370070/image.png?ex=6654b0ac&is=66535f2c&hm=e7eb9c1a64dad95c8e78be87a57fa434efda4a0dcc7d872c6875bd080108fcea& [16:12:26] We should make people pay for custom domains [16:12:41] (if we already dont) [16:14:22] They already pay for the domain itself [16:14:38] We aren’t gonna make them pay to use what they paid for [16:15:00] ok [16:45:24] different browsers? [16:45:49] firefox vs chrome [16:45:59] Both chrome [16:47:31] If its just me that has the issue its fine tho [17:11:08] Speaking of, .wiki costs way too much for what it is. There is a reason reception.wiki has not been registered [17:11:47] If I buy it I will just point to the reception wikis reception wiki [18:21:59] cool custom domains are already cost a lot, some even cost more as the domain name becomes more popular [18:26:00] Hi all, just to give an update of why the outage happened earlier. I've been discussing with our upstream provider, FiberState, and it appears to have been a human error on their part. I am still trying to gather more information from them on what exactly happened. I'll provide another update when we have all the information. [18:33:57] they did an whoopsie huh [19:35:27] Wait does this have to do with the Bad Gateway errors? 🤔 [19:49:16] It's the root cause [19:50:00] The root cause was a reboot being issued to the wrong server by a datacentre technician [19:50:19] There was a few other secondary factors that could have sped up recovery [19:51:44] Mainly that @reception123 lacked access to investigate the underlying cause as quick as ideal and a lack of access to docs cause they are on meta [19:53:19] There's also a conversation to be had with the data centre about if there was any secondary factors on their part [19:53:53] I hope that helps @cibryll [19:55:39] Miraheze seems to be especially slow as of recent. Will this be fixed? [19:56:11] [1/2] still happening for me? [19:56:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1244378573478039643/SHg76GF.png?ex=6654e55b&is=665393db&hm=ce63e66da990e1085469965ca8f82d8dcc765b36e5500efbe74c90e0c027f716& [19:56:24] wait nvm, it's just very slow [19:56:26] working though [19:56:31] Yes [19:57:08] Cool, thanks [19:57:41] No idea when [19:57:45] But we're aware [20:56:35] Best thing to do right now is to be patient~ [22:33:42] for Global_Captcha_Exempt, is there a difference between making this a global group vs simply a trusted user group? [22:35:18] wouldn't it be simpler to create a cvt_helper group instead...this sounds like splitting off a single permission vs an assistant group to cvt yet an assistant group to cvt would be far more effective in long term [22:36:34] think there should be a focus towards consolidating existing global groups instead of more branches [22:50:48] VE docs translated to Ru. [23:02:11] It is for CVT and other purposes as well [23:02:58] I really don't like the argument that "this group is bad to create because it has global rights that a local administrator is able to grant", so what? It's more convenient for everyone involved to let a trusted volunteer have trivial rights that they can easily be trusted with [23:03:29] And there is no reason to grant global IP block exempt as a proxy for captcha exemption because it gives more rights than is needed [23:04:01] This would actually grant fewer global rights than global IP block exemption but a lot of people are just resistant to change because they don't like anything being different [23:04:22] It's useful with no actual downsides, "it creates a global group" isn't a downsides [23:27:21] [1/2] collei, my point is from before. There is an excessive amount of roles for Miraheze that are not being filled due to various factors, including NDA requirement. [23:27:21] [2/2] I'm not arguing against the concept rather try to design new roles to be long term effective for the platform [23:27:58] I mean a literal trusted role can grant skipcaptcha or other annoying user to bot checks [23:28:07] ^applies to use of moderation extension [23:28:28] @koreirose please see above [23:32:18] This role does not require an NDA nor is it a role that needs to be filled, rather it is a role given to trusted users [23:32:44] Yes. This is a trusted user role that can grant skipvatcha and similar bot checks. [23:32:58] You're arguing against a strawman, did you even read the proposal? [23:36:41] Chat, is there a safer way to test CSS edits? [23:36:56] There are roles on MH that are not being filled mainly due to a lot of segmentation. I am all for generalization and consolidation. We got rid of Translation Administrator and replaced them with Translator on Meta. [23:37:39] When you preview edit a user css page you see the css [23:38:16] user sub pages, or hosting a css file on local host and calling it from http://localhost [23:38:23] That and also you can run a test wiki on your local computer [23:38:59] def [23:40:25] I read the proposal before posting feedback, I can post into comments an alternative way to handle all this much more elegantly with less number of roles yet accomplish same thing [23:55:19] [1/4] I stated excessive roles, some of which require an NDA such as steward or cvt. never said anything about this particular role requiring an NDA. [23:55:19] [2/4] the overall point is, why not consolidate all of these "trusted" user roles into a single role? what harm would come out of that? [23:55:20] [3/4] for example, is there any negative outcome to combining Autopatrolled users, IP block exemption, and add `skipcaptcha` permission? what about adding in skip-moderation or skip-move-moderation from extension:moderation [23:55:20] [4/4] this isn't a strawman argument, its about where things can be converted for higher effectiveness. [23:59:56] there's apparently a consul role with only read permission, which has no users granted. is this even considered useful?