[00:07:26] Okay we got a bit of a problem, my main discord got suspended for "spam" apparently so that's a problem I will have to work around [00:19:16] [1/2] What's the closest thing someone can throw my way in the terms of "crash course in setting up and running a wiki (maybe for Miraheze specifically)" [00:19:17] [2/2] Would appreciate, thanks. [00:24:57] the main thing that takes real setting up is templates/infoboxes, and [[Infoboxes]] respectively [00:24:57] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes [00:24:58]

[00:26:18] you probably also want to know wikitext (basic reference: [[mw:Help:Formatting]]) and templates ([[mw:Help:Templates]]) [00:26:18] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates [00:27:18] [1/2] Thanks. [00:27:18] [2/2] I got so caught up on looking at the new Discord channels I have access to. [00:41:20] there aren’t that many are there? [00:41:42] There’s #volunteering [00:42:49] and #server-invites [00:43:04] all the other channels I see with padlocks are for mods [00:47:42] what do the padlocks mean? cannot chat or cannot view? [00:48:29] means it can only be viewed by users with certain roles [00:58:31] Padlocks means there’s view restrictions [00:58:59] here [00:59:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252427316080934912/image.png?ex=66722d55&is=6670dbd5&hm=ab182af63ef9c6566b16685397724165f24db1b2755344820b669bbe24ebcc0a& [00:59:49] The padlocks are either verified only or for Discord Mod only [01:01:13] basically where the `view` perm is revoked from @ everyone(discords version of the `*` group) [01:01:42] [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252427988411355217/TsKwF96.png?ex=66722df5&is=6670dc75&hm=21536cf87060d88d4017e37ebab18b898ebbd0b496ed47c188857c101c2a5f75& [01:01:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252427988767735878/dq3EgV8.png?ex=66722df5&is=6670dc75&hm=6b2191bf2ab8691f8f1ef931902bbd277f396aa19972f99ff0a7bae8184706d9& [01:07:30] oh interesting, thanks [01:08:11] also, #meetings and #meetings-internal? is #meetings verified only and -internal mod only? [01:08:22] No worries. I've used discord for a while and have admined and made a few servers for varying projects so I am decently familiar with the access system [01:08:23] Yes [01:08:34] meeting-internal is for planning and not used much [01:08:45] meeting is the discord equivalent to #miraheze-meetings [01:08:51] currently voice only [01:08:57] meetings here is also locked [01:10:45] we unlock for meetings only [01:11:01] yeah makes sense [01:11:04] the last one we had was cancled midway due to lack of people showing up [01:11:41] i was talking with the other mods about making a thing to gauge availibility from the community [01:11:51] smt like a https://when2meet.com [01:13:28] erm, should https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze_Meetings#June_2024 still be here? [01:13:47] sssssssshh [01:14:25] * BlankEclair becomes silent [01:14:42] hahahaha [01:15:05] is it more silent to not say anything or to /me becomes silent [01:15:36] its way funnier to use /me [01:15:42] I'll archive in a sec [01:15:45] heh, true [01:16:05] Did we ever decide on a new date for the meeting? I think we rescheduled to June 19th, but I'm not sure [01:16:24] Does the bridge relay /me actions from the network? [01:16:29] it appears so [01:23:27] yes [01:23:35] Fancy [01:23:36] i got "_BlankEclair becomes silent_: [01:24:02] anyways [01:24:09] nay not to my knowledge [01:24:23] I'm going to confirmed about the meeting range and make a when2meet [01:24:33] and send in #announcements [01:24:52] Claire: if you're interested, I'll ping you on IRC with the form as well [01:25:23] sure why not [01:25:54] can't guarantee that i'll be there at the time (sometimes i get pulled to do stuff), but i figure why not [01:26:27] I assume meeting info will be posted on-wiki [01:27:13] https://buffalonas.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges; well that's one way to deal with the dormancy policy [01:28:30] Is this supposed to be "gaming the system?" [01:28:49] Imho as long as there is some real human that watches over the wiki, we are cool [01:28:54] no worries [01:29:02] aye [01:29:24] account seems to make some edits (one was made this month), so a bit of a grey area for me [01:29:28] honestly may still be able to be closed manually [01:29:32] oh [01:29:35] in that case idk [01:30:02] I take the policies as "don't do anything that will piss SRE or the steward off and you will be gucci" [01:31:16] that's a good rule of thumb that takes care of like 90% of cases [01:32:27] If your wiki is well kept, clean, justifies server resources and is not a abuse magnet then you are in the clear [01:36:21] should what be there [01:36:23] 🙂 [01:36:35] wdym? [01:36:59] (it's not there anymore) [01:38:19] (1984) [01:38:44] that seems good enough [01:39:23] also it appears that i screwed up the implementation of a scraper i wrote, so i have to postprocess the results to fix the bugs [01:39:24] great [01:39:37] i struck out the meeting on the agenda as well [01:40:03] looks like the first meeting I participate in will be "old school style" [01:42:20] Discord support just got back to me: I got my account back. [01:42:40] horray! [01:42:54] Still going to use IRC, I like it more [01:43:12] sure [01:47:12] That was fast [01:48:56] [1/2] I am surprised too. Plus when I saw this I was like "aw shit" [01:48:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252439877459644537/c1a6375664e82950.png?ex=66723907&is=6670e787&hm=9ddef5127cdb9365d6f96cb74d4f1f22e855857f4e617890ec2c5ea78b3aa1e3& [01:49:31] Hello! [02:39:41] [1/2] Does anybody knows if we can make this type of category mapping, but for our wikis? [02:39:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252452647869354075/image.png?ex=667244ec&is=6670f36c&hm=014391ef2ff7ad0a5d300dafeef2d27c7aec53b6084cceb8a712e60fa17f1e0b& [02:40:07] I remember I did it once, but it was in WP, and with the pages I marked with a star... [02:40:22] You'd be better of scribbling your page titles on a wall with crayon but yes [02:40:54] ... [02:42:09] im kidding of course [02:42:19] If you think that would help your wiki go for it! [02:42:37] I just tend to be a bit looser with jokes late at night, sorry :p [02:42:46] but... How do you do it? :3 [02:43:22] ah [02:43:26] You see [02:43:29] it's quite simple [02:43:32] I [02:43:46] have no idea! although sacrificing a goat may be part of the steps [02:43:59] chickens are too small [02:44:13] anyways [02:44:19] bruh [02:44:21] lol [02:44:23] likely just putting categories in category pages [02:44:35] Looks like in here the chat is dead by now [02:44:36] I'd go to one of those category pages to see how they do it [02:44:39] eh [02:44:51] not really just not an active convo [02:45:33] ahhh I want Mossbag to make a Stop Using Fandom part 2 [02:46:52] can i use animals bigger than goats? [02:47:32] BlankEclair: the larger the better [02:47:34] for example [02:47:44] if you are a poor damn fool [02:47:46] and chose [02:47:50] against all the warnings [02:47:57] and living examples [02:48:01] to the countrary [02:48:02] to use [02:48:05] CentralAuth [02:48:07] nothing [02:48:09] smaller [02:48:10] than [02:48:12] a [02:48:13] whale [02:51:40] newest non-redirect capture of catgraph i could find: https://web.archive.org/web/20080518002042/http://tools.wikimedia.de/~dapete/catgraph/ [02:51:43] how archaic is this tool? [02:52:32] yes [02:52:33] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dapete/Catgraph#English; the redirects that it claims exist don't properly work but at least that's a pointer [02:53:06] might be neolithic era? [02:54:21] does this use direct database access? if so might be annoying [02:55:07] catgraph or vcat [02:56:01] vcat [02:56:59] hm [02:57:00] not sure [02:57:08] search for `SELECT` [02:57:10] got this [02:57:10] https://github.com/dapete42/vcat/blob/7e6895a3c9af68dbdfc3cba9be72f37c1694f8c0/vcat-toolforge-webapp/src/main/java/org/toolforge/vcat/toolforge/webapp/ToolforgeWikiProvider.java#L22 [02:59:11] the use of database name would suggest database [02:59:21] unless they parse it into a URL [02:59:46] toolforge also does allow for direct SELECT access to a live redacted replica database [03:00:34] i e https://quarry.wmcloud.org/query/83568 [03:00:57] or directly via SSH on toolforge with a wm dev account [03:01:26] I saw legoktm demonstrating it to me and someone else to try and find dead fragment redirects a few weeks ago [03:01:42] lego is cool [03:03:12] Lego seems interesting, but playmobil can have it's enchant. [03:04:48] what [03:04:51] no I mean [03:04:53] the person [03:05:13] not the brick [03:10:33] 😂 [03:10:46] lol [03:10:49] the brick is also neat [03:11:16] it was a pleasure to meet and talk to lego thou [04:21:08] [1/2] Saw that someone works on the Vampire Survivors Wiki there, a wiki which I do have admin on and did contribute to at one point. [04:21:08] [2/2] I've been wanting to get that wiki out of Fandom because it's too big to be a Fandom-only wiki. [04:23:00] We already successfully got the PG3D Wiki on wiki.gg, now I want to do the same for Vampire Survivors Wiki, because it's pretty unfair to have them as Fandom-only wikis. [05:11:57] hey guys, i just finished editing the details, do I need to wait? [05:21:06] details of what? [05:46:55] wiki request? yes, just wait [06:49:11] [1/2] tbh, this is exactly why the wikis should be preserved. you can easily find info about a historical topic on many websites, while u can usually only find in-depth info about video games, tv, film, etc. on fandom wikis [06:49:11] [2/2] if u want like the fandom version of a wiki to be closed in the case where a non-fandom one exists, especially if the latter is superior, then I could agree on them being closed. however, there are many wikis that are still only on fandom and most of which aren't probably even backed up, so having those wikis gone would be disasterous [07:44:13] ok, thanks [09:38:22] hi everyone [09:38:36] why does dark mode invert the logo in my wiki?? [09:38:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252558135521054730/image.png?ex=6672a72a&is=667155aa&hm=432ca6fd5b5791d2d03934cc33110839858b55b4d3089d3e60b63382f443da44& [09:38:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252558154806464603/image.png?ex=6672a72f&is=667155af&hm=04ad0c80a6a2f268409e4ed78906801760af988e05c56d7bb01793069bb4f8ed& [09:39:45] [1/2] because dark mode is not very good extension [09:39:45] [2/2] there's a fix, lemme find it [09:41:19] it's a half abandoned extension [09:41:35] someone at the wmf went, hey that's a good idea so let's start it [09:41:43] and gave up halfway through [09:41:46] i believe [09:41:49] the implementation is a bit ehh too [09:42:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal#Issues_with_dark_mode_on_my_wiki's_aesthetics [09:42:33] iirc musikanimal made it [09:42:56] he's SPcodex admin, which left Mira previous year [09:43:10] iirc it spawned out of commtech [09:43:15] eaak: you can uninvert the wiki logo with something like `.mw-wiki-logo { filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg); }`, but the colors might be off (see link above i posted for more details) [09:43:21] [09:44:29] native dark mode is coming to Vector 2022 by the end of the year [10:09:26] is there any way to have something appear at the top of every Talk page? like a notice or messagebox? [10:13:57] thank you all!! [10:17:39] it's still the same though [10:19:23] it's still inverted [10:21:52] i just realized that the css i suggested was above, should've been .client-darkmode .mw-wiki-logo [10:22:35] eaak: try adding `.client-darkmode .mw-wiki-logo` to the selectors on mediawiki:common.css [12:37:33] I want to use the background color of my skin in a color element [12:37:45] What do I code to do that [12:38:26] [1/2] I want the white box to match the light/dark themes [12:38:26] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1252603329050054778/image.png?ex=6672d141&is=66717fc1&hm=1dcb7b87ce3f739dce058b4512dd62d9c189345af30cb37c3e8b29c8eb69190b& [12:39:18] [1/2] you could just make the background of the box transparent, with `background-color:transparent`; [12:39:19] [2/2] you can also be smart and use `background-color:inherit` for it to inherit the bg from its parent element [12:39:19] can i have a link for experimentation? [12:41:11] Thanks, It made the black text dissapear so I also used inherit on the text [12:41:43] 👍 [15:54:41] Oh, i didn't mean to be rude neither consider games/screen stuff as "irrelevant". I'm completely agree with you, but I think we should take action on the matter, and create Miraheze/GG versions of the only-Fandom ones. [15:56:32] whats the point with no editors to bring it from page 3 of google [15:59:01] ^ [16:00:03] though indeed, I would prefer for the wiki communities themselves to fork themselves, just not really force the forking on them either [16:00:54] u can give them some word of encouragement, question, or recommendation regarding a potential fork of a wiki u want to see fork [16:01:30] [1/2] We shouldn't cross our arms and wait for someone to take the initiative to help contributing for new Wikis. For example, I'm offered to help contributing if a group decides to create a Tekken Wiki. [16:01:30] [2/2] We should start taking notes which wikis on Fandom which only exists in there, and take groups between us who will start contributing in every new wiki. [16:03:54] [1/4] That's... a lot of wikis... [16:03:54] [2/4] And there's only a few volunteers [16:03:54] [3/4] And, personally, I will most likely will not want to contribute to 99.9999% of those wikis [16:03:55] [4/4] Wikis should be controlled by the community its made by [16:04:19] T_T [16:04:40] That's one of the main issues with fandom [16:04:56] we are removing them from fandom for one of the same things we are doign [16:05:20] 'hey we are removing your communities choice to not leave a host that takes away your choice' [16:06:21] and tbh, I wouldn't really risk a gblock on fandom just to hope maybe a wiki or 2 would successfully fork. [16:07:22] 😭 oof [16:08:00] but if a wiki does successfully fork, i'll make sure to support that wiki of course [16:08:15] it's only a matter of time before more and more wikis fork anyway [16:08:22] you get gblocked for forking? [16:08:22] oh 😢 [16:08:29] no [16:08:40] and besides, I only forked the pg3d wiki so far [16:09:00] and we did it because the whole staff team agreed [16:10:44]