[00:00:03] We're co-existing with the Fandom version, so they can go there if they want those. [00:03:26] [1/2] If you do want the Thread namespace (or other new namespaces that you create on top of old Fandom prefixes) to work properly, you can just create a new task on Phorge and ask them to run `NamespaceDupes.php`. Showing them [this section](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Using_custom_namespaces#Dealing_with_existing_pages) should be sufficient in letting them know what you're t [00:03:26] [2/2] rying to accomplish. [00:06:30] hoo boy... assuming then that I delete the task I already have then [00:12:35] How do I block Mobile users from accessing my miraheze wiki? [00:14:43] @brenvilz mark the task as resolved and explain [00:14:52] cant delete tasks in phorge [00:15:13] Guest22; may i ask what for? [00:15:13] So can anyone please tell me explain how I can make it so only Desktop users with Desktop browser access my site [00:15:33] My site is not made for mobile I don't support mobile users [00:15:49] https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Analytics [00:16:49] IMO better to have a shitty site then no site on mobile. You could use JS to place a giant banner telling people its for desktop but rendering it unusable is silly personaly [00:17:16] Can anyone tell me how I can make it so only Windows, Linux, and Mac OS [00:17:48] Much better to have a bad mobile website than no mobile website [00:17:48] I don't want no shitty Android and iOS users on the site my site works best with Desktop OSes. [00:18:09] -# platformism? [00:18:26] Your not making any sense obviouslyoctus [00:18:31] This is not raisim [00:19:04] OS racism [00:19:28] This is not OS racism or device racism plus that doesn't exist. [00:20:25] Can anyone help me with putting some script so it tells anyone on Mobile shitty Android and Crapple iOS to use a Desktop OS and no Table that also counts as Mobile [00:25:20] For some reason my wiki still allows IE11 still works under compatibility mode but Matomo Analytics won't pick up on it. [00:26:07] I just want to render it unusable for mobile devices and having a screen that tells you to use a Desktop OS and no shitty Mobile Device. [00:26:41] Besides my site is not catered to shitty mobile users to begin with its mainly Desktop. [00:27:59] [1/2] what about those who use smart devices as their primary (or only) gateway to the internet due to not being able to afford a desktop or notebook computer? [00:27:59] [2/2] are those people just not able to visit your wiki at all until they are rich enough to buy one? do you not even think that this is unfair to them? [00:29:31] as long as anyone who goes off about mobile does not then complain about lack of traffic or care for their project I guess live and let live [00:29:39] Yes, I know it wouldn't be fair, but Desktop users make up the majority of the visitors/user base of my wiki, while mobile users are only a minatory. [00:30:00] There is not a pre-baked way to do what you're asking, as far as I'm aware. [00:30:34] maybe just leave them be tbh? [00:30:38] I want a huge full screen banner than if it picks up on iOS and Android. [00:30:42] But its my site [00:30:48] you don't have to design for it, I've seen plenty of projects neglect it [00:30:56] your site, your quirk, your research [00:31:03] I'm sure there is a js snippet [00:31:11] Show me please [00:31:15] google [00:31:17] it's what I'd use [00:31:25] Google search results are shiity [00:31:30] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [00:31:31] and flooaded with AI Garbage [00:31:37] DuckDuckGo then [00:31:38] and SEO Spam [00:31:39] That's what we're saying: we don't know of a way to do this thing, it might be possible with JavaScript, you'll need to investigate for yourself. [00:31:39] kagi has a free trial that is halfway effective [00:31:54] if that doesn't do it then it's a search skill issue [00:32:08] which I'd posit may still be the case with google, for all its failures it is still a lead if you know how to search [00:32:11] good skill to pick up [00:32:12] Okay does miraheze have a script on there man page [00:32:26] I don't think such a script is present on the dev wiki, which is where you would find things like that [00:32:29] dev.miraheze.org [00:32:31] Google sucks now a days this ain't the 2000's [00:33:03] I'm among the first to go off about them, but if no effort is put in then idk what to tell ya [00:33:44] you are looking for explicitly anti user scripting which doesn't really have precedence on miraheze, that makes you the trailblazer [00:34:17] What is the trailblazer? [00:35:02] you are, for that sort of script on mira [00:35:13] I already delt enough with Google SEO Spam bullshit that search engine is garbage now a days it's a pain in the butt to do so. [00:35:36] I'm not bothered which search is used, the bottom line is that it must be researched [00:35:38] I just don't want Android users and iOS users being able to use my site. [00:35:57] I can't find anything userful on Google! [00:36:06] then as stated before, use another [00:36:26] nobody on this end has been interested in flipping off leading platforms of reading wikis [00:37:23] It's my wiki I can do whatever I so desire to so I can compeley null mobile if I want. [00:37:33] you can do it if you know how to do it [00:37:34] We don't have a solution for you and one may not exist. If you want this thing to happen, you'll need to create it yourself or find a website or script snippet that does block mobile using JavaScript. [00:37:36] you will have to figure that out [00:37:50] there's not much more that can be said here [00:38:36] It's designed for Design for Desktops there is no mobile UI where do I find my cssJS thingy? [00:39:00] not to be pedantic but without fitting an extremely narrow set of conditions it's probably not 'your' wiki in terms that you can actually eradicate portions of the community at will, not that it matters if you don't have any mobile editors I guess [00:39:39] MediaWiki:Common.js is where you would input new javascript you want to run. [00:39:44] some skins have mobile css, the mobilefrontend extension may actually come in useful if you're looking that way since it has its own skin [00:39:44] Mobile Editors don't use my site [00:39:51] https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages [00:40:35] Where do I find MediaWiki:Common.js on my Special Pages [00:40:43] according to your analytics page, you have 36 desktop visitors and 16 mobile visitors [00:40:54] Yes [00:41:02] I want to block Mobile entirely [00:41:03] a large portion of no one tbh [00:41:11] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interface/JavaScript is where you can probably get the information needed to start, we have no further help for you here. [00:41:22] and I want to block Tablets [00:41:36] rip the 1 tablet in analytics [00:41:45] https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Analytics [00:42:09] They too are consrid Mobile users [00:42:28] well everything to say has been said now [00:42:29] good luck [00:42:32] Screw Mobile screw fing iOS and stupid Android only Windows, Mac and Linux [00:42:40] yeah that's enough tbh [00:43:09] What Windows users make up alot of my userbase and can acutally edit wiki editong is noy made for mobile [00:43:35] Going to ask that we drop this topic now, you've been given what advice we can provide. [00:44:28] you can check against `navigator.userAgent` in JS. [00:45:16] How do I get to my JS editing page on my site? [00:45:19] https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages [00:46:04] [1/10] ie something like [00:46:04] [2/10] ```js [00:46:04] [3/10] const regex = /android/; [00:46:04] [4/10] const userAgent = navigator.userAgent; [00:46:05] [5/10] const isMobile = regex.test(userAgent) [00:46:05] [6/10] if ( isMobile ) { [00:46:05] [7/10] console.log('Mobile Device'); [00:46:06] [8/10] } [00:46:06] [9/10] ``` [00:46:06] [10/10] Or somehting along those lines [00:46:27] Where do I put that? [00:47:28] well that won't work its a proof of concept to point you in the right direction. But JS goes in MediaWiki:Common.js or MediaWiki:SKIN.js [00:48:01] Okay but where do I find that on here https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:SpecialPages [00:48:20] you won't, manually edit into the address bar [00:48:24] You don't find it there you go to https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [00:48:51] Oh why don't they just put it in a place I can find it [00:48:53] MediaWiki pages are like that without a clear cut list unless you look them up in the mediawiki documentation [00:49:06] Or Special:AllPages and filter for the MediaWiki namespace [00:49:08] that would be a nice QoL thing for the Admin Links extension [00:49:18] that extension needs a utility rewrite tbh [00:50:54] So wait how would I put the script you just worte? Do I just copy each p[art line for line? [00:53:37] Here this is what it looks like https://i.imgur.com/WESpgLE.png [00:53:54] I also want no Tablet users too [00:57:23] So did anyone see the image yet? [00:57:34] MediaWiki pages don't appear on SpecialPages because they're not special pages [00:57:37] they're system messages [00:57:42] they appear on Special:AllMessages [00:58:30] Okay also did you see my imgur screenshot [00:58:36] your copy and paste of that code is A) completely wrong and B) without being rude, I did just say that code is a proof of concept and will not work [00:58:58] Oh alright. [01:00:50] Ask me why I hate Mobile OSes so much!? [01:03:50] Anyone know if there's a way to manually refresh the cache of pages like Special:WantedPages, rather than waiting for the automatic refresh? [01:04:04] we have said no to that line of discussion Guest22 [01:04:29] not aware of a manual cache refresh unless tech went into it manually I'm afraid [01:04:35] :pensivecowboy: got it [01:13:14] YES IT WORKS! [01:13:14] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:UpdateSpecialPages.php You could have tech run this script if you really need to. Otherwise yeah you can't refresh special pages manually. [01:13:16] https://i.imgur.com/h8urGvc.png [01:14:31] Aren't you on desktop for that screenshot though? [01:14:47] I changed the user agent [01:14:51] Fair [01:15:01] Nice job [01:15:04] So it works it really works [01:15:15] Have you tried on mobile? [01:15:25] I don't own a Mobile Device [01:15:44] This works for Firefox on Mobile [01:15:46] Since there is a very wide array of possible user agents if that's what your using [01:16:47] https://santorinilonghornazure.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js [01:16:51] Look [01:17:15] [1/2] How do I make it so files are viewed in this format instead of being automatically redirected to their own file pages? [01:17:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1269826523012005918/image.png?ex=66b1799b&is=66b0281b&hm=8b42c410371b6199420403e05d425fe8b364675ca36d385b6bb9bec2983fb936& [01:18:16] I did it no more Mobile I hate Mobile Platforms F*** Google and Crapple I mean Apple I don't care if I'm platformist [01:18:28] I think I may block Opera users too [01:20:04] Do we have a policy against doing this? [01:25:42] tali64 are you trying to pick a fight with me! I just want to gatekeep my site from the mobile users [01:26:01] We do not, and Guest22 you're getting close to a ban. Cool it, please. [01:26:14] The Preview extension is what you're looking for. [01:26:23] 👍 [01:26:55] Is there a specific extension name or is it just preview? [01:27:16] There is an extension called Previews that needs to be enabled, it also requires pageimages and textextracts [01:44:30] works for me very interesting [01:45:16] opera??? [01:45:27] I'm now gonna add Chrome OS users and Opera/Opera GX users to the blacklist regarless if the Opera user is on Windows Mac and Linux [01:45:52] [1/3] Is there any way to quickly import all dependencies of a template on the dev wiki? For example, I imported Template:Citation with the "Include all templates and transcluded pages" option ticked, and it imported most dependencies like Template:Citation/core, but then when I use the template it's missing other templates (like in the attached screenshots) [01:45:52] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1269833711256469624/image.png?ex=66b1804d&is=66b02ecd&hm=96502fc2f961bcc79bf3f66960578e97383f07311a787f9d32b3d425d23288d5& [01:45:53] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1269833717740994590/image.png?ex=66b1804e&is=66b02ece&hm=5a16280f00070352f5e04b76c4bfc61e61fced54b6e56b4702a08d95a59f4777& [01:46:06] yeah with all due respect screw you [01:46:10] opera?? [01:46:22] I don't think you can say "with all due respect" when saying "screw you" [01:46:46] ok whats the point in that [01:46:50] like opera [01:46:52] chrome os? [01:46:57] wtf?? [01:47:01] clockworky you are just a piece of you know what and simp for Opera [01:47:04] It's their own particular quirk, if they want to be especially particular in who can access it with what browser, it's odd, but their business. [01:47:06] I will show you something [01:47:08] fuck off [01:47:25] Going to ask both of you to cool off [01:47:36] k [01:47:46] Appreciated, thanks. [01:47:47] https://rentry.co/operagx [01:47:57] Fine [01:48:18] I will cool off while I'm doing that I'm gonna edit my site so no Opera users can use it [01:48:30] I don't mind Google Chrome though [01:48:35] or Microsoft Edge [01:48:36] Alright. We don't need to hear further updates, so enjoy your project. [01:49:06] Just bumping this once since that all happened right after :P [01:49:39] re: the template question, did you confirm if the template:link exists already? If so, might just need a purge action to kick the server into regenerating the page that uses it. [01:50:10] Template:Link doesn't exist on my wiki [01:50:27] Interesting, usually it should grab the full downstream dependency chain... [01:51:11] Heh, well, that'd be why. [01:51:14] [1/2] Here's what it said after I re-imported Template:Citation with the "include all templates" option ticked (I had already manually imported most of these) [01:51:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1269835076276060270/image.png?ex=66b18192&is=66b03012&hm=05e7b0d2a07dad8b2402cd1e477a32673c7d80b0c021adaa4f22eba1641efbe3& [01:51:15] No such template exists on devwiki [01:51:28] 😐 /lighthearted [01:51:57] Yep. Devwiki is 100% in need of a cleanup for... weirdness. Thanks to the folks who have been putting in the work to fix screwball stuff over there. [01:53:16] I'm not entirely sure what it's meant to refer to tbh? I'm not good enough with templates to understand what's happening in Template:Citation, and on enwiki Template:Link is a dab page [01:54:00] [1/2] This is probably what it was looking for: [01:54:00] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Link&action=edit [01:54:23] I'll try importing that, see what happens [01:55:44] Nice, should just need a purge of the page after that [01:55:49] [1/2] Well, now it's just me misinterpreting the citation template parameters :P It's not an error so it looks like it worked [01:55:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1269836226547154954/image.png?ex=66b182a4&is=66b03124&hm=1422392fdea4365a3b3fecd664df07997d2c6c2b9a43f14da6ab92991f88351a& [01:57:04] @clockworky you fuck off you piece of shit I hope you get cancer [01:57:10] Hm, actually, why is it trying to make the title a link? After all, this is- okay then [01:57:13] Banned [01:57:27] After all, I'm using Citation, not Cite web [01:57:31] Relay timed out. [01:57:45] Ah, might need some tweaking then [01:58:16] https://multiverseencyclopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Citation here's the template on my wiki, I have no idea what I'm looking for to make it not make the title a link [02:00:17] Hmmm, unfortunately I've got some RL stuff I need to step away from, but other folks may be able to help. [02:00:21] All good :] [02:00:27] I'll ask again later if I can't figure it out [02:00:51] Feel free to use a #support thread as well, as that tends to remain visible to folks off-hours for some aysnchronous help. [02:01:10] @clockworky thanks for holding your peace re: that real hamburger of a user. [02:02:17] They've been disconnected, though we'll get the k-line folks involved if they decide to make a cheeky return. [02:41:12] Something strange: the citation template also calls Template:Italiclink... which isn't on devwiki, enwiki, or mediawiki.org [02:41:52] Looks like it needs a lot of cleanup tbh, I might look through and see if I can learn anything about templates by trying to fix things like this [02:44:14] Wonder if it maybe got pilfered from Fandom's devwiki then... [02:44:36] Maybe? But there's also a bunch of non-English stuff in there [02:44:50] Interesting... [02:45:08] [1/2] Like this [02:45:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1269848640009015296/image.png?ex=66b18e34&is=66b03cb4&hm=71ea8e98aa04f1e70eb9169cfa22376de6c0caab8c2fb9503a45a4ab21afa732& [02:45:16] (This is from the /core subpage) [02:46:44] Wild, It's from swedish wikipedia going by the page history [02:47:32] Or rather, it started on EN, then went to SV, then brought over to dev wiki in March of this year [02:58:10] That might actually explain why italiclink isn't on enwiki then, it was deleted in 2009, and I assume the SV version was imported before that :P [03:31:03] in my wiki doesn't appear embeds [03:31:05] https://furrnations.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [03:31:09] see? [03:36:22] help [04:28:08] Hey guys do you know how I could get the Wayback Machine/Achrive.org to take snapshots of my wiki on a weekly basis withou me or anyone else having to mannualy do it? Is there like some script or something that I could use could Achive.org apis or something and just have that in my Mediawiki:common.js? [04:31:08] ... [04:32:57] Do I need to create an account on Achive.org to do this or no? [04:34:19] Sigh [04:34:59] Miraheze makes backups of public wikis, forgot at which rate tho [04:35:11] backups on archive.org I mean [04:35:41] Yeah I just want them on the Wayback Machine [04:35:49] So people can look at it [04:35:50] otherwise, I've never heard of any automation of wayback machine [04:36:06] maybe someone else knows [04:36:23] idk if it's worth to ping Digital :ThinkerMH: [04:36:24] Sigh I need to have consent back up of my wiki [04:36:32] on Wayback Machine [04:38:30] So there is no way of taking aut snap shots and uploading it to achive.org and people being able to vuiew it I have to do that manuualy!? [04:38:49] Its so slow to do it like that I want autmation [04:38:50] the backups on archive.org are for the actual text and image content of the wiki (and also arent done very frequently) if u just want to see the state of ur wiki at some point in the past theres: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TimeMachine [04:39:37] NO I want to back up entire pages with images and text there is nothing but images and text [04:39:52] I wat to see a GUI and not just some CSS file [04:40:31] I'm pretty sure unless you're a full business that can pay for archive.it, you have to just do it manually [04:40:49] Archive.it is the Internet Archive's commercial archiving service [04:41:06] So unless you can do that, you just use the save page now feature [04:41:08] You mean Achrive.org [04:41:11]