[00:34:31] tbh the only thing i miss abt fandom is the little checklist they give you [00:35:11] [1/2] this thingy [00:35:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1270178322973720636/image.png?ex=66b2c13e&is=66b16fbe&hm=cc90d7b8794e4c1f09d9d8b08fdb541ebf7b35ee0955b5662689ade28e115d29& [00:39:49] Where in the nine hells of avernus was that [00:52:02] Admin Dashboard [00:52:11] there used to be a nice progress wheel but that went bye bye [01:09:23] Runs on PC. can't figure out where the UA is set from looking at my user info .py files [01:29:18] its in config.py I believe https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Pywikibot/User-agent [03:02:33] <.callmeg> Does anybody know how to stop the left-hand text in an infobox (stuff like “born, died, spouses”) from automatically trying to become a hyperlink? [03:12:52] Do the text have link? [03:14:51] Either you have to remove the hyperlink from the text or use RemoveRedlinks extension [03:15:27] Or you can use template detection if you want some specific pages not showing the hyperlink [03:27:00] “reach 3 Facebook likes” [03:27:21] yeah ok I’ll go do that with my Facebook account that I have [04:05:27] <.callmeg, replying to max20091> [1/2] All this is automatically linked but I don’t want it to be [04:05:27] <.callmeg, replying to max20091> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1270231238417842197/image0.jpg?ex=66b2f286&is=66b1a106&hm=a41190190838d3b738151ab63152ed63d7f3c34cb4c40c70513b44f47d7b996c& [04:07:18] Your template have hyperlink inserted to the text, you have to edit the template so it won't show hyperlink. [04:07:58] I'm not sure if the hyperlink is hardcoded tho [04:09:26] For example the "Capital" text, when you look at the template code, you should find "[[Captical]]", remove the double bracket. [04:09:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Captical [04:09:27]

[04:11:08] I mean remove the double brackets in "[[Capital]]" [04:11:08] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Capital [04:11:09]

[04:14:44] <.callmeg, replying to max20091> Thanks [04:15:17] <.callmeg> And if I wanted to have it available to hyperlink but not automatically, is that possible? [04:15:54] <.callmeg> Like if I wanted to have “Capital” hyperlinked for a certain infobox, but not others [04:30:58] okay well obviously not all of the tasks LMAO [04:37:03] I believe so yeah [04:37:20] I think you’d have to do some {{#if}} fuckery but yeah [04:37:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%23if [04:43:50] {{#if}} is a bit hard to understand, use switch which is much easier [04:43:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%23if [04:45:23] as if can only handle yes or no (and extra complicated for some reason), meanwhile switch has yes, no and default if you don't input anything [04:48:40] *I mean switch compares your input with string so it not just yes no [05:10:02] Please pm me your ip and I'll look [05:50:14] I'm opening my wiki to get to a picture, and takes too much to load the page... [05:51:24] i'm pretty sure they're being ddossed again [05:51:47] #tech-ops currently do not paint a good picture, and several miraheze services are not working for me [05:56:24] the entire site is not loading at all for me [05:57:19] me neither [05:57:25] [06/08/2024 15:49] *.miraheze.org gives me "Error code 520" from cloudflare, non-miraheze domains give me "Error 503 Backend fetch failed" from varnish, grafana is half-502ing and half-not working [05:57:51] i managed to get a wiki page exactly one (1) time, and that was without css [05:59:22] oh and a 502 [05:59:22] not even the fancy 502 page just an nginx error [05:59:22] something definitely ain't right [05:59:43] I like macs and I have one [06:00:04] ||(making him rage)|| [06:00:34] [06/08/2024 15:45] PROBLEM - ping6 on cp41 is CRITICAL: PING CRITICAL - Packet loss = 80%, RTA = 180.15 ms [06:00:38] ya i don't think things are going well [06:01:40] @Discord Moderators [06:02:39] BlankEclair: bloody cache proxies [06:03:13] [06/08/2024 15:48] [Grafana] [!]tech FIRING: The mediawiki job queue has more than 500 unclaimed jobs https://grafana.wikitide.net/d/GtxbP1Xnk?orgId=1[Grafana] [!]tech FIRING: There has been a rise in the MediaWiki exception rate https://grafana.wikitide.net/d/GtxbP1Xnk?orgId=1 [06:03:16] um [06:04:10] idk wth is happening [06:04:16] BlankEclair: I'm not convinced they are true tbh [06:04:19] oh no [06:04:21] It might be prom missing data [06:04:34] If it's still OOMing [06:05:33] Hello guys - I have successfully able to create dump using the wikiteam3 and it created a folder with some files and one is .xmll file of 38MBs - when I try to import via Request Import, select the .xml file and again it didn't show the file name, after clicking on submit it gives the error 'The file you submitted was empty' [06:07:54] wait how does traffic from cloudflare get to mediawiki? does it cross through cache proxies or does it somehow have an in [06:10:00] [1/5] ok, as an outsider to this whole situation who just wants to edit his new wiki, here is my impression [06:10:01] [2/5] - there is a guy named BlankEclair who runs this entire wiki farm [06:10:01] [3/5] - BlankEclair says the wiki farm is being DDOSed [06:10:01] [4/5] - at the moment, we have no way to deal with [06:10:02] [5/5] I am _not_ judging this situation in _any_ way, just curious if I'm basically on target here [06:10:29] why are they doing a ddos attack? What do they win by doing this??? [06:10:32] > there is a guy named BlankEclair who runs this entire wiki farm [06:10:35] 1. i'm a girl (lol) [06:10:40] sorry!!!! [06:10:44] nice to meet you! [06:10:46] it's okay ^_^ [06:10:49] and you too! [06:11:13] 2. no i don't run the entire wiki farm (in fact i have very little privilege on miraheze), i just see that: [06:11:25] 2a. every single wiki (and even services) that miraheze is hosting is down [06:11:42] 2b. the public server logs suggest that the servers are, uh, not having a fun time [06:11:53] 2c. there was a ddos like yesterday (iirc) [06:12:07] 2. so i just concluded a ddos since the patterns seem likely [06:12:48] who is so deranged to DDOS a wiki farm, does Putin think you guys run Ukraine or something??? [06:13:07] lmao [06:13:19] happens every so often [06:13:24] i've heard sites can inadvertently DDOS themselves in weird ways, i have no idea if something like that could be true here but just throwing stuff on the wall [06:13:35] i guess that could happen [06:14:09] i am literally a math nerd who knows nothing about anything so this is about the limits of how helpful i can be [06:14:25] maybe i will have to learn something about software and the internet now, so i can make my wiki work [06:14:46] it's like that thing about the apple pie, first you must invent the universe [06:15:02] anyway, i'll pipe down and listen [06:15:16] anyway, things seem handled now [06:15:22] or at least wikis n stuff load for me [06:15:45] looks good for me too [06:16:19] this was a good experience, i thought it was weirdly slow so i came here and indeed there was a reason [06:16:40] volunteers straining under the occasional DDOS doesn't tank usability of this place for me 🙂 [06:16:48] or my collaborators hopefully [06:16:56] trying to get my first peeps onboard now [06:17:55] [1/2] Getting this error when uploading wiki dump via wikiteam3 [06:17:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1270264573886464010/image.png?ex=66b31192&is=66b1c012&hm=fd544cf68a49030ae8463168d9d453c3e634ce80e93615e8460be6982c09d9ae& [06:18:53] It says all time when I upload the file 'No file is selected' how do I can upload the file is there any procedure please or I need to search for another vendor to host my wiki [06:19:31] wait, are you uploading a .xml or .xml.gz? [06:21:10] [1/2] .xml which created via wikiteam3 tool [06:21:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1270265391658045562/image.png?ex=66b31255&is=66b1c0d5&hm=ee9ffbc6df30cdf2695fb9a510d2b6b53cc5492cf0eed9850b04a5c3b76b909b& [06:22:11] It never picks the name of the file after selecting it in the 'upload file' option [06:23:21] i can reproduce, will try to debug [06:24:15] So what I need to do now? wait for you or is there any other way to upload the file? [06:24:33] you can request an import through phorge, see https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge for more details [06:35:27] Directly to mw* for traffic from cloudflare, it bypasses the cache proxies [06:36:52] @getnormality from what I have seen, there is some evidence to suggest that some traffic is abnormal and may constitute a ddos [06:37:02] We're struggling to get a grip on it though [06:37:28] I will do some more analysis after work to see if there was anything in cloduflare [06:37:58] cloudflare seems like it should be helping you with this kind of thing right? that's their job? [06:38:04] It is [06:38:08] But not all wikis use it [06:38:32] Also if this is a DDoS then it's fairly sophisticated [06:38:43] I'm not entirely convinced it is yet [06:39:04] Because I'm struggling to find any specific target [06:39:14] Or any common pattern between the requests [06:39:23] that isn't far too broad [06:39:35] Which is why a lot of bots are having trouble accessing us [06:39:52] Our most common reason for a DDoS is annoyed, childish Minecraft users [06:40:09] We've also seen some for banned users retaliating [06:48:16] do minecraft users have a lot of wikis here? [06:49:21] can't say about amount of wikis but miraheze happened to host one about an infamous server [06:50:26] roblox games/servers are also popular subject, to the point wiki/gg decided to ban roblox related wikis lol [06:53:35] [1/2] https://x.com/getnormality/status/1820714233278996675 [06:53:35] [2/2] happy to report i am up and running and ready to start building what this wiki is really for :EpicFaceMH: https://eristicpsych.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [06:53:47] Enough to be known to us [06:54:33] Is your wiki was suffering from DDOS attack? is it hosted on Miraheze? [06:54:54] it was slow an hour ago but everything's fine now [06:55:26] All Miraheze wikis might be [07:31:51] I never expected Roblox games to have such a big presence on miraheze haha [08:16:28] Hi there! Can administrators of a wiki request an extension to be installed on their wiki? [08:28:08] Yes. Note that this is necessary only when you are installing a few special extensions. Most extensions can be installed by bureaucrats vis Special:ManageWiki/extensions [08:29:23] if you can't find extension in WikiSettings it's might be globally enabled or not installed, for the latter you'll have to make a task on [[Phorge]], and after successful review it will be added [08:29:23] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [08:29:24]

[08:31:00] You can check in [[Special:Version]] if your wiki has it enabled by default already, if not you would need to file a Phabricator task. [08:31:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Version [08:31:12] note that couple of available in MamageWiki extensions need a steward for enabling, this can be asked on Meta Wiki [08:32:14] I see thanks, im looking to possibly migrating, though most extensions that i might need would likely be found on that special page. [08:32:50] migrating from Fandom or self-host? [08:36:20] From Fandom [08:37:39] First of all, welcome to Miraheze, second, you might want to have a look at dev.miraheze.org and there is a lot of info for crats on meta.miraheze.org [08:38:06] then you'll be fine, we don't have only super trivial Fandom things like discussions, or (up-to-date) other social features [08:38:30] [1/2] I do have experience self hosting and there are some extensions that might want to be used [08:38:30] [2/2] though im looking through and it seems fine [08:39:32] Just be aware that the [[Extensions]] list on Meta is out of date a little bit so your best bet is ManageWiki [08:39:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Extensions [08:42:01] Ah okay [09:23:47] the wiki users have a minecraft server in here [09:26:31] [1/2] note that the miraheze page is not yet created on wikipedia [09:26:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1270312037943349328/image.png?ex=66b33dc7&is=66b1ec47&hm=ec8f77425c470aefed3461e4421c8b00b3a3c7f740ab8bd6f069811106a70797& [09:26:35] theres a draft for it but it got declined [09:27:04] Because there's not enough secondary sources [09:27:42] sadly [09:32:15] Mhm [09:34:47] <.labster> I'm going to be interviewed on Behind the Brackets, but I doubt a podcast counts as a reliable source. [09:35:34] Unless a "reputable" publication writes about WikiTide foundation there is really not much sources to work off. [09:36:45] [[w:Draft:Miraheze]] if you look at the references a lion share of them are primaries [09:36:45] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Miraheze [09:36:46]

[09:58:51] it's honestly so silly lol [09:59:54] nearing 10 years of existence, and all wikimedians - and just wiki savvy folks, knows about Miraheze [10:00:17] and yet [10:00:38] We all know that's suck [10:01:42] and btw just for those who are interested - Annie has just asked me to reschedule the interview with the UX team, which will starts tomorrow my time [10:24:46] sorry if this is the wrong channel but i have looked at the miraheze website and still dont know how to make your wiki get connected to a custom domain [10:27:21] presidentbenjaminofbaliga: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Custom_domains [10:30:09] Nice [10:30:14] yw ^_^ [10:34:59] heyo, weird situation over here. the desktop and mobile versions of my Main Page look different on my end. desktop has my edits, mobile still looks like fresh install. [10:35:47] mobile cache being wacky again [10:36:00] alright, so long as it's not something i messed up lol [10:36:12] maybe it'll sync every 24 hours or something?? idk [10:36:42] I personally suggest to get rid of mobile frontend lol [10:37:09] if you're using default skin on desktop, vector 2022, it should look alright on mobile? [10:37:50] is this something i can do with my bureaucrat powers? [10:37:55] and there are several popular mobile adaptive skin which look good on any devices - timeless, cosmos and citizen [10:38:33] yeah, major feature of miraheze is that you can do many stuff via ManageWiki, aka admin menu, see sidebar on desktop version [10:39:38] extensions are like add-ons which can be quickly enabled/disabled by admins [10:39:47] i see it! [10:40:19] ooh, i can add visual editor. i like that feature on WP [10:40:58] it's a tad buggy but might be alright if you don't create much fancy templates [10:41:06] this feels so unfair. i just signed up and waited a few days and i got to be a literal wikipedia admin for free [10:42:20] i see the skins page but i don't think that's what you were pointing me to [10:42:31] > [06/08/2024 20:36] maybe it'll sync every 24 hours or something?? idk [10:42:34] it's five days since i last checked [10:42:57] > [06/08/2024 20:36] I personally suggest to get rid of mobile frontend lol [10:43:02] the caching shenanigans are with cloudflare [10:44:41] > [06/08/2024 20:42] i see the skins page but i don't think that's what you were pointing me to [10:44:54] p sure they meant Special:ManageWIki/settings -> Styling -> Default Mobile Skin ($wgDefaultMobileSkin) [10:45:12] [1/4] skins are a type of extensions, you can click on names to see their mefiawiki.org description and stuff [10:45:12] [2/4] but there are also several hard coded skins which always are enabled - vector and timeless are some of them [10:45:13] [3/4] after either you enabled a non-standard or want to use a core one, you should go to Additional settings menu, Styling tab - the first setting in it default (desktop) skin [10:45:13] [4/4] as for disabling mobile frontend - that's in Extensions [10:45:32] I suggest to get an idea of how wiki gonna look first [10:46:58] i am searching all the Extensions menus right now: API, Editors, Media Handlers... not seeing anything about mobile front end [10:47:04] Timeless is my fave skin layout wise, it's mobile adaptive, a bit stylish, amd can be modified to look like traditional wiki skins [10:47:21] there's a little search bar, you can start typing in there [10:47:24] getnormality: Other -> MobileFrontend [10:47:56] got it thank you ^_^ [10:48:41] i don't see timeless, i see truglass? [10:48:53] i don't see timeless, i see truglass? [10:48:55] oh right, iirc timeless is globaly enabled [10:49:11] timeless is a hardcoded skin, as I said earlier [10:49:36] it's just there in styling settings [10:50:17] so, do i need to do anything, or can i just leave this MinervaNeue box checked, that came with it? [10:51:53] leaving minerva skin enabled just gives it to registered users individual/preferred skin option, so yeah, you can keep it if you want [10:52:03] or don't [10:52:58] you actually can check your user preferences [10:53:14] in appearance tab some hardcoded skins are available by default [10:53:37] ok, so at this point i've unchecked Other > MobileFrontEnd and the mobile page is still behind the desktop page. is that unfixable because of the cloudflare caching thing BlankEclair mentioned? [10:54:09] you'll either have to wait five days, or explicitly ask someone from the tech team to flush the cloudflare cache [10:54:14] yea, mobile cache has nothing to do with what skin the mobile is using, just gotta wait [10:54:22] bug report: https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12315 [10:54:39] but mobile mode switch should disappear after disabling extension, isn't? [10:55:04] huh [10:55:16] if you're viewing a cached purge, no? [10:55:21] until the cache expires [10:55:40] ok, so i've fixed the problem, but i have to wait 5 days to see the effects? [10:55:47] unfortunately yeah [10:55:50] at least on mobile [10:55:52] i don't want to hassle your poor tech team ;^_^ [10:56:06] it's time to give you guys some money actually lol [10:56:07] on desktop it should apply... in some period of time (might be instantaneous, but i haven't checked) [10:56:08] but how mobile cache is a thing if there's mobile option? [10:56:17] wdym? [10:56:25] mobile cache is handled by cf (in this case) [10:56:40] and it looks at device? [10:56:43] the cache is just wacky when ur viewing from a phone [10:56:50]