[00:00:01] that looks pretty cool actually [00:00:48] 😅 [00:01:40] Okay, nevermind (unless you have some input to that), it seems to be using DPLForum too, it's just enabled by default [00:06:28] [[Phorge]] [00:06:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge [00:06:29]

[00:07:00] ? [00:10:40] Just getting the link for myself haha [00:10:49] Ah, was confuse 😅 [00:13:48] Mmmh enabled it on the now but it doesn't seem to work as its not showing in Special:Version.. [00:15:24] Wait, do I have to enable DPL3 for it to work ? [00:21:16] Nvm, it just too some time [00:33:20] im writing a parser function for my template, is there an OR function or somethign similar to it? [00:38:25] verdessence: if you don't mind about no short-circuiting, perhaps you could do something like {{#if: {{{thing1}}}{{{thing2}}} | ...}} (where thing1 and thing2 are empty for false, and non-empty for true) [00:38:25] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23if:Template:_%7b%7b%7bthing1 [00:38:37] if you want short-circuiting though, probably need lua [00:41:43] feel like im being edged to write lua, damnit [00:42:04] you probably could write an or lua module [00:42:20] what is this? [00:42:34] [13/08/2024 10:33] im writing a parser function for my template, is there an OR function or somethign similar to it? [00:43:36] Those sound so complex [00:44:22] depends on wikitext (and probably programming) knowledge tbh [00:44:46] hmm, that could work, imma try it out [00:45:21] Would a lua modal be less painful> [00:45:37] depends on the context [00:45:46] im trying my b est to not learn lua but i figured it out [00:45:57] sounds like you had fun previously [00:46:17] i tried learning lua for roblox but i quit after learning printl and if statements [00:46:30] printl? [00:46:44] forgot thtas a java thing [00:47:05] (it's println btw) [00:47:28] [1/7] ```wikitext [00:47:28] [2/7] {{#ifeq: {{{content|}}} | 1 [00:47:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifeq:Template:_%7b%7b%7bcontent [00:47:28] [3/7] | {{{subject|}}} Redirects here. {{{redirectnotice|}}} {{{redirect|}}} [00:47:28] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bsubject [00:47:29] [4/7] | {{#ifeq: {{{content|}}} | 2 | Not to be confused with {{{subject|}}} {{{redirectnotice|}}} {{{redirect|}}} [00:47:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifeq:Template:_%7b%7b%7bcontent [00:47:29] [5/7] | {{#ifeq: {{{content|}}} | 3 | For the sake of consistency, {{{subject|}}} {{{redirectnotice|}}} {{{redirect|}}} [00:47:29] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/%23ifeq:Template:_%7b%7b%7bcontent [00:47:29] [6/7] }} }} }} [00:47:30] [7/7] ``` [00:48:00] btw there's {{#switch}} [00:48:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%23switch [00:48:21] had to do this because idk how would u apply that since its for values [00:49:41] i think i did that for the initial writing but in my specific case i wanna switch the subject and content parameter when the content is 2 or 1 [00:51:20] > [13/08/2024 10:48] btw there's {{#switch}} [00:51:20] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%23switch [00:51:34] (repeating this because the nested ifs are just >_>) [00:52:47] ill see switch later when it gets a bit big [00:52:51] [00:52:55] repeating if statements, awesome beginner mistake [00:53:12] > [13/08/2024 10:52] ill see switch later when it gets a bit big [00:53:15] ten minutes later: [01:10:31] Wheres the special:requestimport help section? [01:16:34] maoistcentury: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Moving_a_wiki_to_Miraheze is probably the next best thing [01:22:23] Argh I knew it would come to bite me... I used a template on the old wiki via an invoke but I've no idea how to get that template 🤣 [01:27:02] Are you sure it's not a module rather than a template that's being invoked? [01:27:24] Oops yeah module [01:28:01] Tho I think I found the same on Miraheze Dev [01:44:25] Works a bit differently but it works [03:20:31] Hello! [03:20:44] [1/2] I was wondering if there was a user called " [03:20:44] [2/2] " [03:21:08] I'm looking for a Link to the Procyon/Deneb Pokemon discord server. [03:38:23] is that supposed to be only a new line? [04:26:13] is it possible to make a page users could fill out, like information for a character that will become a page? [04:26:54] A Form to Page kind of situation ? That's an interesting idea 🤔 [04:28:50] You're looking for a mix of boilerplate and create new page button, depending on how fancy you want to get [04:29:00] something like Extension:PageForms? [04:53:12] any way to have your own #global-wiki-feed in your own server? i like my mobile data conserved, thank you [04:53:18] that's what it sounds like to me [04:53:34] yeah [04:53:40] verdessence: you can set up discord webhooks in managewiki/settings [04:53:48] Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-notifications specifically [04:54:04] more developer stuff to learn, nice [04:54:09] ill look on it more, thmx [04:54:25] i think you can hook up a standard discord webhook url [04:55:18] you can [07:23:21] [1/2] how do CSS templates work? [07:23:21] [2/2] i imported some templates from another wiki, and some of the css templates dont seem to be applying. I'd also love to know how the templates that are working know how to be applied [07:23:59] could you link to what you are referring to? [07:25:55] [1/4] example from my wiki: [07:25:55] [2/4] this is a table that draws from the CSS templates to determine color, but not boxes [07:25:55] [3/4] it's a transposed version of this template: [07:25:56] [4/4] I just cut a lot out from this original one [07:26:41] I really hope Miraheze updates to the most recent version of OreDict as soon as possible. Since I want to be able to access the updates introduced in it. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:OreDict [07:27:26] And possibly the related Tilesheets extension. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Tilesheets [07:28:51] the rounded edges are from that wiki's common.css [07:28:57] https://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [07:29:17] ohhhh [07:29:31] would i need to copy this to have it apply to my wiki too? [07:29:43] Only parts of it [07:29:49] it appears to be using the `.roundy` class [07:29:56] so you'd at least need to copy that [07:30:36] [1/2] alrighty! thank you [07:30:36] [2/2] \adds this page to my wizard book [07:31:03] when i said iwanted to be a wizard i didnt want to also pore over nigh indecipherable text [07:35:47] Hello - can anyone please confirm the backup file that the wiki application provide is in XML format - if I need to import the database into mysql via cli how can I do it? [07:42:12] MediaWiki's export and import work w/ xml [07:42:20] didn't you get an xml dump of your wiki w/ wikiteam script earlier? [07:42:35] Miraheze provides xml dump generation [07:43:30] as for mysql, I know only that Miraheze doesn't support its import, I don't know if tech folks can provide export [07:46:58] [1/2] No I didn't mean that. [07:46:59] [2/2] Just assuming in case we need to shutdown our wiki for some reason on Miraheze and again use our local server and setup wiki on that local server - now here we need to export the latest database from Miraheze (which is XML and JSON) and then import into mysql - but is there anyway to import XML/JSON file into mysql DB? [07:47:58] well [07:48:14] convert, I assume [07:49:55] [1/2] although I'm not sure why you need to convert to mysql when xml import w/ maintenance script (what our tech team does) produces the same result? [07:49:55] [2/2] the json part is unique to ManageWiki extension tho [07:51:47] I've put it forward to the MediaWiki specialists: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1006789349498699827 [07:56:43] [1/5] the reason behind is that we must know the revert back steps - in case management decide to shutdown our wiki on Miraheze and start running it on our server locally as before. What we do is [07:56:43] [2/5] 1) Export the latest DB from wiki hosted on Mirahesze [07:56:44] [3/5] 2) Request steward for shutting down the wiki [07:56:44] [4/5] 3) Turn on our local server again and create a new DB [07:56:44] [5/5] 4) Import the latest DB (exported from Miraheze) into the newly created DB in mysql. But the export from Miraheze is in the XML format - what is command/tool we should use to convert XML file or use XML to be able to import all data into the newly created DB in mysql [08:36:00] just curious, what sort of wiki is involved ^ [08:36:20] shutting them down is not a light decision unless there's an explicit policy concern [08:43:43] oh well, now I get CF challenge for using VPN, cool cool [08:43:58] I just wanted to check a page on Meta [08:48:18] with cloudflare involved I'm surprised they've been so amicable this far [08:48:24] with vpns [08:58:14] basically dump xml file should be sufficient to import wiki pages to another MW server. If you want to import images, you can ask stewards for an image dump [08:58:45] > [13/08/2024 17:56] [1/5] the reason behind is that we must know the revert back steps - in case management decide to shutdown our wiki on Miraheze and start running it on our server locally as before. What we do is [08:58:55] 1. retrieve xml backup (either through datadump or wikiteam3) [08:59:09] 2. retrieve image backup (either by request on SR/RC or wikiteam3) [08:59:45] 3. start local mediawiki instance and run importDump + rebuildall + importImages (capitalization of scripts are probably different but i forgot) [09:03:06] I already had to get trough this w/ an independent russian news site which got DDoS'ed at some point by Kremlin agencies so they got CF and don't trust any VPN usage [10:14:57] Hey y'all, asking now in hopes that more people will be around - me and Jasper were trying to figure out header tabs the other day (https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1272652453992595510 starting here). Anyone know how to use it? [10:17:56] i'm on irc soo [10:18:21] irc? [10:18:53] internet relay chat--i'm connected via a bridge so i can't see the contents of that link [10:19:05] i can rumage through logs if you give a timestamp though [10:19:46] [1/2] How can I do the below step? [10:19:47] [2/2] start local mediawiki instance and run importDump + rebuildall + importImages (capitalization of scripts are probably different but i forgot) [10:20:55] it was just a link to a previous message in this server [10:21:10] 21:26 my time, but that might be different from your time [10:21:13] [1/2] outside rn but ill look at it when i get home [10:21:13] [2/2] but also couldnt figure out what exactly u were asking, u want tabs like the "main page" "discussion" links on new vector or something? have u looked at tabbeneue [10:23:15] [1/2] I'm not sure what Jasper was trying to do, but we were both trying to figure out the extension HeaderTabs (I thought I might be able to use it for my multiple main pages thingy, like, where you'd start at the overall main page and then at the top you can click to go to the other main pages for the different sections of my wiki). I haven't heard of tabbeneu [10:23:15] [2/2] e - I'll look into it, thanks! @jasper.tm [10:23:38] tabberneue probably has the visual look youre looking for [10:23:40] oh right, i believe header tabs is currently broken? [10:24:14] oh, it says that one has been archived ): [10:24:18] oh no )): [10:24:21] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T371081 [10:24:26] i forgor about that [10:25:20] Ah. RIP [10:25:47] [1/2] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TabberNeue [10:25:47] [2/2] ??? [10:25:47] guess i should add one of those templates on its extension page or something [10:26:27] hello! i wanna loop back to these page to ask something else; how do the paramaters know to look for files in the wiki? additionally is possible to have them reference files in another wiki and embed those instead? [10:27:13] > [13/08/2024 20:19] [2/2] start local mediawiki instance and run importDump + rebuildall + importImages (capitalization of scripts are probably different but i forgot) [10:27:34] avengers9309: i'll gloss over "start local mediawiki instance", and go straight to "run importDump + rebuildall + importImages" [10:28:50] for importDump, see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:importDump.php [10:29:03] oh, thank you! I think I clicked on the Tabber link by mistake [10:29:39] it is recommended to run importDump with --no-updates since it causes the script to skip some operations during the import (which makes it dramatically faster to run) [10:30:15] therefore, you should run rebuildall (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:rebuildall.php) after running importDump with --no-updates (if you chose to do so; if you didn't, then you don't need to) [10:30:33] after running the first two, you probably want to import images. see https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:importImages.php [10:34:08] header tabs are borked last time I heard about it [10:34:22] idk if they are fixed [10:34:30] doesn't look like it ): [10:34:37] nope, not fixed [10:46:03] [1/3] it uses the ndex and pokemon parameters, so like 722Rowlet.png (with extra stuff after the pokemon name for edgecases like m/f and different forms) [10:46:03] [2/3] i havent heard of using files from a different wiki just by filename (aside from commons) but its probably possible to embed images by the full static url [10:46:03] [3/3] though the easiest way would probably be to export all the sprites from bulbapedia and upload all or only the ones u need, since theyd already have the right filenames [10:46:41] cc @avengers9309 as well: We don't provide SQL backups since they have the personal information of users in the wiki, most notably checkuser data. [10:47:12] localsettings.php is somewhere on my computer, right? [10:47:26] [1/2] my computer's hard drive is gonna beg for mercy soon while I export those files [10:47:27] [2/2] but nonetheless thank you!! [10:47:50] > [13/08/2024 20:46] [2/3] i havent heard of using files from a different wiki just by filename (aside from commons) but its probably possible to embed images by the full static url [10:48:02] [1/2] no, it's a wiki server thing, but on Miraheze most of it is available in Additional settings [10:48:03] [2/2] what are you looking for exactly? [10:48:11] i wonder if it's possible to have multiple commons, like a priority of bulbagarden archives -> miraheze commons -> wikimedia commons [10:48:34] oh that's valid [10:48:38] ah, okay, thanks. To install TabberNeueue, the page says I have to add this code ("wfLoadExtension( 'TabberNeue' );") to my localsettings.php thingy [10:48:54] u tick the checkbox in managewiki [10:48:56] was panicking a bit when I couldn't find it - musta misunderstood the page on that file [10:48:59] I did [10:48:59] oh, you can enable it by going to Special:ManageWiki/extensions and searching for "Tabber Neue" [10:49:02] still isn't working [10:49:30] oh no no, that's an extension, and on Miraheze all extensions are already installed, you just need to enable in Manage this wiki's extensions [10:49:42] Ah, okay, that's good! Thank you for explaining [10:49:50] [1/2] isnt working in what way [10:49:51] [2/2] u might have to ?action=purge [10:49:51] wait, then, why isn't it working? [10:50:04] [1/2] what exactly doesn't work? [10:50:04] [2/2] are you sure you typed syntax correctly? [10:50:04] takes a sec to take effect sometimes [10:50:18] I copy-pasted directly from the page on the extension, so, yes [10:50:19] yeah, might need to wait or kick cache too [10:50:35] oh right, I'll try clearing my cache, thanks for the reminder! [10:50:58] It's been about ten minutes since I enabled it, so I thought that would've been enough time [10:52:55] ayyyy, it works now! [10:53:35] still not exactly what I was hoping for, but I think I can use it for what I wanted anyway, so, yayy! [11:07:56] Couldn’t that stuff be expunged? [11:08:30] i guess that's true [11:08:33] but like... effort [11:08:47] no, we offer an extension that allows you to get XML dumps all by yourself, use that instead [11:09:39] i assume "could" as in technical possibility [12:38:59] [1/5] Hi. I'm trying migrate from FANDOM to Miraheze and trying to get a request approved but I'm somewhat confused about the legalise of copyright. [12:38:59] [2/5] This is the comment I got: [12:38:59] [3/5] 🔹 Copyright Policy (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Copyright_Policy) ─ As most content is copyrighted keep the Rule of thumb in mind, that when no license is mentioned, the content and images are fully protected and not allowed to be reused under our Creative Commons license. All file pages must include source, author and license. [12:38:59] [4/5] The wiki is about a video game by a small indie developer. No license is mentioned from what I can tell. Does that mean I cannot use any content of images from the game for the wiki? [12:39:00] [5/5] I can also just ask the developer too but I'm not sure what I need to ask of them. Do I just go, "hey. can I use your stuff for wiki?" and they go "sure".. is that enough or...? [12:42:38] [1/2] It's a very convoluted area that nobody really understands well. If there is no license from the developer, then you can't really assume that the content is copyrighted or not — unless they have somewhere in their T&C on their website that assets are copyrighted. [12:42:38] [2/2] You could ask, and see what they say. Notwithstanding this, even if they were to turn around and say "actually, no you can't use these assets", you legally can to a certain degree argue that the use of the assets falls under Fair Use and therefore you can — to some degree — use those assets. [12:42:57] Yeah, that's my understanding too. [12:43:06] It'd be under fair use .. like game icons... item icons... character potraits. [12:43:13] It's essential for a page to display this. [12:43:27] (But Fair Use is generally iffy, for example if you were using the Game's Logo or something, that would probably not fall under fair use) [12:43:49] But I can just go to their discord directly and ask. So what do I need to do to comply? o_O [12:44:06] Sure, just ask if you can use them, they can only say yes or no. [12:44:13] Then that's enough...? [12:45:36] But the request says that all file pages must include a license... btu there is no license. [12:45:48] Where does it say that? [12:46:00] [1/2] in my request: [12:46:00] [2/2] > All file pages must include source, author and license. [12:46:11] For getting a wiki approved. [12:49:14]