[00:30:27] [1/5] hiya; i have a template (T1) set up that when a parameter is filled it it calls on another template (T2) [00:30:27] [2/5] i found that doing this adds the page i use T1 one includes in the category of templates for T2. i've tried adding which i found means that it doesnt appear on T1. how do i approach this? [00:30:28] [3/5] t1: https://pokemonunbound.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pokémon/TrainerBoss/ [00:30:28] [4/5] (the t1 documentation): https://pokemonunbound.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Pokémon/TrainerBoss/doc [00:30:28] [5/5] t2: https://pokemonunbound.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Natures_Adamant [00:31:22] [1/2] the idea is that there should be text after `Adamant |` [00:31:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273438851712549035/image.png?ex=66be9dd9&is=66bd4c59&hm=cf164bf579e4812dd0b807bf72ebfe287ab5ab3479a070f4c54054f2800e08c2& [00:34:23] [1/2] I started a wiki a month ago (kingdomway.miraheze.org). On Sunday I purchased a custom domain (kingdomway.wiki), pointed it to the Miraheze nameservers and submitted a custom domain request through the Miraheze RequestSSL form. As far as I know I'm just waiting for someone to move the wiki to the custom domain at this point? Is there any way I can see the status of the reque [00:34:23] [2/2] st? Thanks [00:34:24] Also, because I purchased a `.wiki` domain, it would be great if I could eliminate the `/wiki` in the path. It looks like I can do that in ManageWiki? (though it's grayed out right now). [02:28:52] you can request that option to be enabled on [[SR/RC]] [02:28:52] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/RC [02:28:53] [02:30:28] Thanks [03:26:03] Is there any way to revert someone's edit in every article in a wiki? Recently my wiki got severely vandalised(500+ articles) by two accounts. I know that users did nothing but deleting the article and replacing into redirection link. Thanks. [03:43:27] @CVT [03:43:54] You can go to #cvt for report [03:50:10] check if it's not in skipskins option (additional settings) [03:50:29] Okay. Thank you. [04:41:52] [1/2] 👀 [04:41:52] [2/2] https://x.com/wikiworks/status/1823822198609739776 [04:47:15] https://betweenthebrackets.libsyn.com/epsiode-163-brent-laabs [04:49:22] <.labster> I do things occasionally [05:10:23] for SEO sakes, are we having some extension or something in anyway that allows Bing's IndexNow to work? [05:12:58] listening to it rn [05:47:24] [1/2] Is anyone having trouble with the Vega Website? I tried restarting my computer, but it didn't work. But it works just fine on my phone. [05:47:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273518383836561459/image.png?ex=66bee7eb&is=66bd966b&hm=b82341b33e23e5f8ce168c8ba4fee3e2c59965ef02c05e7bdac454e981c95775& [05:59:11] <.labster, replying to dothog6446> Can you post a link? You may need to #verify [06:00:18] <.labster, replying to songngu.xyz> How was it? [06:07:31] Oh, to the website? Sure! [06:07:44] Uh [06:07:49] It blocked the link [06:08:06] <.labster> Read my whole message [06:08:27] This is the fandom wiki [06:08:30] Not the Miraheze wiki [06:09:36] <.labster> Oh, uh okay. Good luck with your Fandom wiki. If you want support, feel free to move to Miraheze. [06:10:00] That wiki's Outdated? [06:11:49] Wait [06:12:11] This wiki is just for Procyon and Deneb [06:24:27] you are in Miraheze support server [06:25:11] max we can do about Fandom is consult on/help with forking to Miraheze [06:26:00] whatever problem Fandom has, if you wish to hang w/ them, should be addressed in Fandom discord [06:26:43] and general mediawiki questions i suppose [06:28:32] [1/2] I mean, we can help w/ MediaWiki things which can occur on Miraheze? [06:28:32] [2/2] if you're self hosting or doing something outside of Miraheze's bounds like extension we don't have, you'll have more luck on MediaWiki discord [06:29:04] we had self hosting asking for help here couple of times lol [06:29:15] if it's an interesting-enough question and i have the time, perhaps i might nibble on it :p [06:33:11] taking a look at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Miscellaneous#Request_to_revert_certain_user's_edit right now... is there no built-in tool or maintenance script to mass-revert a user's edits? [06:33:23] at best there's https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Manual:rollbackEdits.php, but it apparently doesn't do redirects? [06:33:57] Uh [06:34:11] I'm just wanting to see if there's info for Vega on that wiki [06:37:39] [1/4] mate [06:37:40] [2/4] what wiki? the Fandom wiki? [06:37:40] [3/4] we are Miraheze, we don't deal w/ Fandom, end of story [06:37:40] [4/4] and idk who's Vega lol [06:38:19] No, I mean Mirahez [06:38:20] - [06:38:22] Oh [06:38:26] I [06:38:29] Sigh [06:38:35] Why do I do this to myself? [06:38:39] N-Nevermind. [06:39:41] [1/2] you are looking for Miraheze hosted wiki? [06:39:41] [2/2] try to see if there were fork announcements, idk man [06:40:15] there are nearly 8k wikis so it's a bit of a trouble to find specific wiki w/o pointers [06:41:32] [1/3] you are looking for Miraheze hosted wiki? [06:41:32] [2/3] try to see if there were fork announcements or a link somewhere related to "Vega" idk man [06:41:32] [3/3] there are nearly 8k wikis so it's a bit of a trouble to find specific wiki w/o pointers [06:45:33] [1/2] Do what to yourself? [06:45:33] [2/2] You just need to have more clarity, that's all ^^ [06:49:16] It's better to open a support thread for that. [06:52:39] It's for Pokemon vega [06:52:41] The rom hack. [06:52:52] I don't even fucking know anymore. [06:52:52] @dothog6446 Watch your language. [06:53:00] Oh shut up, they can take it. [06:53:10] amount of times i've seen the bot activate: 2 [06:53:34] dino? [06:54:01] yeah [06:55:57] I don't know anymore. [06:56:21] Ah, so you're waiting for the vega romhack to be on this wiki? https://procyondeneb.miraheze.org/wiki/ [06:56:29] Well [06:56:36] I just want the actual Vega wiki to be working [06:56:45] But you don't use fandom so I'm fucked [06:56:45] @dothog6446 Watch your language. [06:56:52] Disregard him [06:57:25] Well, some of us do use Fandom [06:58:45] But all I can suggest is to hop on the Fandom Discord, or any customer support service they have and report the issue with the site not loading correctly [06:59:27] Would you like a link to the Fandom Discord? [07:00:34] Funny [07:00:38] I did do that [07:00:49] But 2 of the people were pretentious assholes [07:00:49] @dothog6446 Watch your language. [07:01:11] Were they staff or other editors? [07:01:24] Or unsure? [07:04:56] try adding "anti" before "fandom" in URL, it's a mirror version of the site, maybe it will work [07:10:08] Uh random CSS question but how often does it not allow something that the inspector allows ? Fell on a `Unrecognized or unsupported` issue 😕 [07:10:37] aels224: assuming mediawiki:common.css or similar, it is unfiltered [07:10:45] so there's probably a syntax error in the file [07:10:49] in Common.css or TemplateStyles? [07:11:00] if Common most likely syntax typo yeah [07:11:19] I copied the working code from the inspector 🤨 [07:11:27] yeah but where? [07:11:36] TemplateStyles it's parsed, sanitized, and reemitted, so if there's css that the code doesn't understand it will be rejected [07:11:44] Styles but it doesn't allow me to save [07:11:46] inline css in elements, there's a sanitization step using regex [07:11:47] ah [07:11:51] css? [07:12:04] TemplateStyles needs Extender extension [07:12:07] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273539707086704641/image.png?ex=66befbc7&is=66bdaa47&hm=fc67f2020643e0217bec068553c3054feff75c85196791c5c08afd52fa9d43af& [07:12:12] by default it's sanitized [07:12:22] it doesn't allow all CSS things [07:12:26] mmk lemme test [07:12:32] But would it forbid saving ?? [07:12:35] yes [07:12:41] Wtf 👀 [07:12:42] i've had this issue before [07:12:59] it doesn't recognize it if it's not colored like everything else [07:13:05] I would understand if it would just not work but forbidding saving is extreme 👀 [07:13:11] it thinks it's invalid [07:13:23] [1/2] I mean, it's sanitized, it doesn't want you to go ahead w/ seemingly wrong/broken code lol [07:13:24] [2/2] system at my work does that too [07:14:01] like "wait a fucking sec this shit should be typed like that" lol [07:15:07] so yeah, try to enable extender [07:15:26] TemplateStylesExtender doesn't mention container type but will try anyway [07:15:47] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T331227; hmm... [07:15:50] yeah, if anything, you might keep that one class in Common.css [07:16:37] if extender doesn't work, i might try my hand at adding support in there [07:16:56] [1/2] I have extender and it displays this when I add that to css [07:16:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273540918183727125/3t9B9xs.png?ex=66befce8&is=66bdab68&hm=c0444c1b6376086efd04bbcdcb4ea45f9d90649faa96ef2595c95480549bc51a& [07:17:02] It was my only fix for the ranks I'm doing [07:17:49] sad, thanks ellie [07:18:04] F [07:18:13] So no idea how to fix my thing now.. [07:18:25] what you want w/ that rule anyway? [07:18:36] maybe there's another route [07:18:46] put in mediawiki:common.css as a workaround [07:18:48] I'm not really sure what that rule actually does [07:18:59] it may not be necessary to include that specific one imo [07:19:02] same tbh lol [07:19:26] [1/3] I have rotated those vertical ranks and container-type was making it like the second image because nothing else was [07:19:26] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273541544133001247/image.png?ex=66befd7d&is=66bdabfd&hm=0eea0a28935cb709e501483a8fc1599f758e211cbafc14856c1ce939b68f4f06& [07:19:26] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273541544690847744/image.png?ex=66befd7d&is=66bdabfd&hm=32679b71b859a9dcc580deec4ae1ab656810123bc1752d40de0102de1b3feda1& [07:19:50] And no I can't rotate the image becaise it's an SVG and everything dies in it if I do [07:20:18] so it's removing the spacing? [07:20:29] Yup, the spacing is reminiscent of the verticallity [07:20:38] idk what are you rotating here [07:20:51] The rank it self, it's vertical by default [07:21:11] [1/2] They are like that by default [07:21:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273541987966128129/image.png?ex=66befde7&is=66bdac67&hm=96d940102e78246b00db0c62cabb1f2acda9217afb6ee3448255abdb989a9d33& [07:21:43] aha [07:23:04] [1/6] you might just have to put [07:23:05] [2/6] ``` [07:23:05] [3/6] .rank-image.vertical { [07:23:05] [4/6] container-type: inline-size; [07:23:06] [5/6] }``` [07:23:06] [6/6] in common.css since templatestyles won't accept it [07:23:38] Okay, that's better than nothing I guess. Will put the rest in styles [07:23:44] Thx tho [07:25:23] okay common.css didn't recognize it but it at least let me save [07:34:44] [1/2] Noice 😋 [07:34:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273545398606102593/image.png?ex=66bf0114&is=66bdaf94&hm=8cdfef7da793579f0c83fec1a85f76a37ecf819d958ac21a094d187075259cd0& [07:35:22] Works 10000 times better than the old version I had that was made with several subs and sups 🤣 [07:38:01] [1/2] have you tried [07:38:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273546223693074432/IMG_20240815_103747.jpg?ex=66bf01d9&is=66bdb059&hm=211348f78992c6ddf4bfe4984009f3e7ddbf86bd417c71b336ff29de133bc999& [07:38:17] ☝🏼 [07:38:31] because I honestly haven't encountered container, but seen anf tried transform [07:38:43] I have but it didn't take away to "collision" [07:38:53] container is fixing that [07:39:06] width: fit-content? [07:39:41] Nope [07:40:36] [1/3] Here it's with both width and height in fit-content [07:40:36] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273546872883253248/image.png?ex=66bf0273&is=66bdb0f3&hm=709ff378f95e36cc2285624e2350dbc96971f68650c6e8938afb49c15d12c1ad& [07:40:36] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273546873160073248/image.png?ex=66bf0273&is=66bdb0f3&hm=8a5f89c893e9ea14184ab8042cb0ea2147f38d222637c8247dbdfb0939fc28f8& [07:42:08] and if fixed width/height values, to correspond the image? [07:43:38] It does stupid thing, the best I could find was precise width and height plus container [08:25:11] Oh, well preview and final aren't 1:1, the entire rotation thing doesn't work in the final.. 😔 [08:26:30] Nvm, said nothing, just me being stupid with CSS [08:27:18] Inspector keeps adding `.mw-parser-output` to the code I copy and it carried away [08:51:48] I suggest to check that task Eclair linked [08:51:59] there's something about parser output [08:52:59] ?? [08:53:18] But why ? [09:01:41] what about mw-parser-output? [09:02:25] No idea either, I don't use it it's just the inspector that trolled me 🤣 [09:06:46] Can someone help me with IPBE globally until the end of August. I'm hitting IP blocks, and can't even create an SUL to other wikis. [09:06:53] For Cyberpower678 [09:07:55] I'm actively traveling [09:27:47] Skynet: request on [[SR/P]] i believe [09:27:47] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/P [09:50:27] FYI: GIPBE is powerless against SUL (because auto local account creation doesn't scan for global permissions) [10:21:34] is it possible that [[phab:T12742]] can be done asap please? [10:21:34] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T12742 [10:21:35] [10:22:07] is it possible that [[phab:T12472]] can be done asap please? [10:22:07] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phab:T12472 [10:22:09] [10:24:21] Hello [10:29:29] anpang54: what bug is that? [10:35:18] it's a wiki reset [10:35:34] oh the first link was a typo [11:34:33] Is there a way to set page notices for special types of pages with the pagenotice extension [11:34:50] I want to have a page notice that appears only on deleted pages [11:36:34] Unfortunately, the PageNotice extension does not support displaying notices on deleted pages directly. For this functionality, you might need to consider a custom solution, such as modifying your wiki's code or using a different extension to handle deleted page notifications. [11:37:06] are there any other pagenotice extensions you know? [11:38:16] [1/2] Yes, there are a few other extensions similar to PageNotice. For example, NoticeExtension allows adding notices to specific pages or namespaces, while MessageWall offers customizable messages based on conditions. Additionally, Banner can display banners or notices on pages with configurable options. You might want to review their documentation to find the best fit for your ne [11:38:16] [2/2] eds. [11:38:37] You may be able to edit the interface text for recently delete pages [11:39:53] [1/2] you mean this? [11:39:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273607087381024818/image.png?ex=66bf3a88&is=66bde908&hm=a3fe203c424f4ae05120a024d6aea85810eb8e9ea2dcc2dba72dc7c5cdffd02f& [11:40:42] This approach would involve modifying the interface messages that appear when a page is deleted, which might achieve the result you're looking for. [11:41:18] I see, do you know how to do that? [11:42:01] To display notices on recently deleted pages, you can modify the MediaWiki:Deletedtext interface message. This message controls the text shown when a deleted page is viewed. By customizing this message, you can include any notices or information you want to display for deleted pages. [11:42:14] Ok, thank you [11:42:29] If you need assistance with making these changes or have any questions, feel free to ask. [11:44:42] what's your wiki? [11:45:01] mine? [11:45:07] no, Mediana [11:45:08] or mediana? [11:45:39] yeah thats what i thought [11:45:47] for a moment i thought it was an AI 💀 [11:46:27] Asian Cricket Hub [11:46:58] Link? [11:47:00] that's the most non-ai ai sentence I've seen in a while lol [11:47:37] asiancricket.miraheze.org [11:47:53] I'm sorry, I can't help you with that. in the meanwhile, try google search [11:48:25] It’s not [11:48:32] You haven’t met my wiki lead [11:48:38] Actually, Why do you want my wiki link? [11:49:03] Just wanted to see how does it look [11:49:27] People are curious lol [11:49:36] If you don’t want to give it you don’t have to of course [11:49:39] Its pretty decent for its age, i wish you the best [11:49:53] Obviously you can have a look but it's not my wiki I adopted it by process recently. [11:50:16] oh, well it looks like its very young [11:50:17] No just wanted to know Why he wanted? [11:50:30] Yes [11:50:59] @pixldev Actually I would like to ask you one thing. [11:51:48] Of course [11:51:51] Ask away [11:52:59] [1/2] btw @mediana45 this is when you delete pages, i wanted to find where the text is for nonexistent pages [11:53:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273610389824733287/image.png?ex=66bf3d9b&is=66bdec1b&hm=4447cbf8038478e30237757313a8b07928a9a84b02e447ae94ad25cdf97f8412& [11:53:18] Actually one of the users in the Public Test Wiki is Interface administrators there and he has been really so much active on Public Test Wiki nowadays so he in the Community portal has proposed for the Check User and Oversights be enabled on Public Test Wiki so would it be really applicable on enabling these rights on a wiki only which purpose is testing of rights. [11:53:53] I found it, MediaWiki:noarticletext [11:54:21] Well. [11:55:37] fyi there's a list of these MediaWiki: pages in Special:AllMessages on any wiki [11:59:01] I’m afraid that’s not really possible as having CU/OS requires a non disclosure agreement with the WikiTide Foundation, and policy for local CU says there must be at least two and it wouldn’t be given for testing [11:59:31] Just set up a local test instance with vargant or docker [12:01:22] No actually he is saying that it would be provided only to highly trusted users like Consuls I also recommend him it wouldn't be applicable. [12:07:58] And it wouldn't be too good doing this specially on wiki like Public Test Wiki there is no any valid reason for it. [12:08:37] Give me a sec to grab the page [12:10:10] Got it [12:10:48] Feel free to send them https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/CheckUser and direct them to the policies near the bottom. If they have further questions, direct them to my talk page on meta [12:18:17] Hello! [12:18:27] I was the one who raised this issue on TestWiki. [12:21:22] I think that if the community supports this idea, CheckUser permissions could be introduced. [12:22:02] And I know Oversight permissions require more trust, but this can help keep TestWiki safe. [12:23:05] how would it keep testwiki safer than the status quo? [12:24:08] Actually that is the question? [12:24:36] I am looking at the argument on the community portal and find it very uncompelling, as there are hardly ever any requests that require stewards to intervene with those advanced permissions to begin with that demand an exception for testwiki which does nothing to satisfy the global needs to bring those permissions to a local level [12:25:14] idk man, it's better to be kept limited as it is now [12:25:54] and frankly some things should never be used to 'jog up activity' as seems to be your goal in a subsequent reply, and ip access is one of them [12:26:01] I meant, for example, that it will give local users a quick response if someone shares private data. [12:26:16] mate [12:26:18] that is an example without a backing in practice [12:26:22] [1/5] i can't find the conversation of Avengium with you this morning so I will go from memory and request help. [12:26:22] [2/5] We have a wiki that doesn't work the notifications in discord. Is a very important tool for us, because help us to monitorize the wikis we have. Vandalism can go unnoticed without this. [12:26:22] [3/5] Anyway, we want the notifications back. [12:26:23] [4/5] As there are some people that notifications works, maybe is a matter to set up the notifications again. [12:26:23] [5/5] I don't rembember a think about how we did the connection to discord. Can anyone explain to me how to delete and create again the webhooks to see if that works? [12:26:23] They will also help maintain an active community. [12:26:41] I thoroughly dispute ^ [12:26:54] Hi. To fix one discord webhook connection to wiki, should we make a new discord connection or how can we fix our wiki to discord webhook? [12:27:14] and in any case sensitive access should never be used to try and get people to show up more, many other ways to handle that [12:27:27] I think given the ongoing conversations that the webhook matter is ideal for a support thread [12:28:31] although if nothing would be lost in doing so, probably recreating the connection may be the simplest quick answer [12:30:48] of course when I said that is when the ongoing conversation lulled, go figure [12:35:20] Yes obviously at first there is no need for these restricted user rights in wiki like Public Test Wiki. [12:38:45] I'll leave a response on the test community portal itself which summarizes my concerns [12:39:51] Yes it would be good if you do this. [12:41:31] Nope the only thing in Skipskins is Vector [12:41:34] it is done [12:41:51] To solve this problem you can do several methods as at first you can try deleting all the existing web hooks and try creating new web hooks and update the wiki settings go to each wiki settings where you configured discord notifications. [12:42:24] Ok and thanks for doing this as I was also trying to convince that guy. [12:45:22] [1/2] what's your wiki? [12:45:22] [2/2] also bear in mind that after MediaWiki update some skins appear borked [12:50:34] disabled you mean? [12:53:37] or that [12:53:51] do you know if Chameleon is disabled tho @ Eclair [12:53:58] haven't checked [12:54:13] yes [12:54:20] well, here you go [12:54:34] tbh I don't remember ever seeing it in action [13:02:30] ah alright, thank you! [13:31:11] you can do `?uselang=qqx` to see which page controls what message in the future, btw [13:31:25] (not sure why they named it qqx when the json file is qqq) [13:52:41] hey, not really a wiki question persay but idk where else to ask it - setting up a discord for my wiki and I wanted to make a 'new pages' feed, and I know there's feeds like that on here, so - is that done with like, webhooks, or...? [13:59:14] mx.lilasekhmet: yeah webhooks [13:59:23] (i'm gonna go eep now, so don't expect a response from me) [13:59:26] cool, thanks! [13:59:32] have a nice sleep! [13:59:38] ty ^_^ [14:04:38] nighty night [14:09:16] either I'm dumb or something is off with the webhook interface [14:13:29] oh well [15:13:38] Yes. That is what I wanted to do. Can you guide to where are the hooks, how to delete them and add them again? I don't remember how I did that [15:29:18] 🍕🏰🏃 [15:36:02] [1/4] Ok in order to do this at first access you discord server then Click on the down arrow next to the server name at the top left and select server settings In the Server Settings then select Integrations from the left sidebar and Click on Webhooks and Click on the New Webhook button and Customize the webhook settings (name, channel, etc.) and click Save and C [15:36:03] [2/4] opy the Webhook URL; you’ll need this for your wiki and now go to your wiki (e.g., tuscriaturas.miraheze.org) while doing this Make sure you are logged in with an account that has admin rights and now Click on Manage Wiki in the sidebar (you may find this under the dropdown menu) and select Discord Notifications from the settings menu In the Discord Notific [15:36:03] [3/4] ations settings, look for any existing webhooks that are currently set up you can delete them by clicking on the delete button next to the webhook URL or by clearing the fields and now After deleting the old webhook(s), paste the new Webhook URL you copied from Discord into the appropriate field configure any additional settings you need (like notification [15:36:03] [4/4] types). click Save to apply the changes Repeat Steps 3 to 6 for each of the other wikis (yourcreatures.miraheze.org, intercriaturas.miraheze.org, boveda.miraheze.org) to ensure they all have the updated webhooks. [15:36:38] [1/2] After setting everything up make a test edit or perform an action on your wiki that should trigger a notification. [15:36:39] [2/2] check the discord channel to see if the notification comes through. [15:37:16] If you follow these steps and still face issues with notifications it might be a good idea to check if there are any permission settings in Discord that could be blocking messages from the webhook or consult Miraheze's documentation for further troubleshooting let me know if you need more help! [15:45:34] so if I want to register a domain for a wiki can I do it via cloudflare [15:45:49] because it says I can’t change the nameservers of cloudflare domains [15:46:54] Not sure [16:04:27] Tank you very much. QQQQ for reading after [16:36:21] Is it difficult to become a wiki creator on Miraheze? [16:37:19] Requesting wikis is a straightfoward process; being a volunteer who reviews requests is quite difficult [16:39:02] If you mean the volunteer role, difficult isn’t the role I would use [16:39:08] There are prerequisites [16:39:21] Mainly being active in the community and demonstrating a good judgment [16:39:58] There are some hard requirements [16:46:43] Does being active in the community only count on the Miraheze Meta or all Miraheze wikis? [16:47:28] No one can be active on all miraheze wikis. It’s mainly referring to the meta/global community [16:47:49] I was very active on discord for a while then became activer on meta before I became a WC [16:51:49] WC is an elected role, if someone hasn’t seen you around much, they won’t support [16:53:17] I'm asking, because the waiting time to create a wiki is too long, so more permanently active wiki creators would be useful. [16:53:44] Eh, if someone active in the community wants to run they are welcome to [16:54:09] There is always going to be a wait with our system of unpaid volunteers who have lives outside of miraheze ie not me [16:54:55] But more volunteers is always a good thing [16:55:20] We need more WC, we could use more CVT, having more stewards would be awesome [16:55:25] I also have the impression (probably wrong) that the Miraheze community is closed to granting advanced permissions to new users (e.g. global administrator). [16:55:27] But those things take time [16:55:43] the problem in each case is we need those people to be experienced, savvy with how Miraheze works, and demonstrate good judgement [16:55:45] To new users yeah probably not GA [16:55:47] these are not things that come lightly [16:56:07] I guess not even experienced so much though it helps [16:56:16] We have Global Patrollers as a lower GA [16:56:39] Are many Miraheze users active in Wikimedia projects or do they mainly work on Miraheze? [16:56:48] I was in the community for a bit less than a year before becoming GA, around half a year active on wiki [16:57:05] request time is an issue both in process (it is somewhat inefficient in nature) and indeed, having enough of the right volunteers to chunk at it which has been a struggle since the start [16:57:07] And I get the impression that’s a more quick time but not sure [16:57:11] I've never heard about it [16:57:16] Depends [16:57:18] under a year is relatively quick [16:57:28] MacFan and Rhinos was active in Wikimedia I believe [16:57:31] miraheze senior volunteering has good overlaps and some connections with wikimedia [16:57:54] I personally have met and talk a lot with members of Wikimedia New York and have had the pleasure to meet them in person [16:58:05] But I’m not an active editor on Wikimedia [16:58:08] but generally volunteers here focus exclusively on miraheze, not a lot of people who actually work on both to a large extent [16:58:16] When I go, I tend to be “the miraheze kid” [16:58:33] ^ is a common case [16:58:36] Although I don’t think any stewards overlap do they? [16:58:59] I don't think any stewards have anything much to do with wikimedia, and tech has connections but very little actual overlap [17:00:18] what is the largest and most active Miraheze wiki (excluding meta and wiki login)? [17:00:22] And that’s including the time I wasn’t active on meta (aug-jan) [17:00:31] some of the lighter roles have stronger overlap, I know darkmatterman does a fair amount on wikipedia for example [17:00:33] Hmmmm [17:00:54] I'm pretty sure one of the nsfw wikis is near the top tbh [17:00:55] I don’t recall, I think there are twenty something wikis larger then meta last I saw [17:01:09] Polandball? [17:01:14] I know I've seen the list but I just can't remember [17:01:23] polandball, polcompball are on the very large end [17:02:06] allthetropes is one of the oldest and best established, dunno if it's necessarily the most active [17:02:10] Rosseta code? [17:02:21] think that's a big one [17:02:37] MC JP [17:02:37] we should probably bug someone like reception to make a query [17:02:44] Yeah [17:02:52] yeah, that sounds accurate [17:03:46] Not sure how big Rainworld is [17:03:52] Or PTW [17:03:53] blue pages, iirc was the biggest by articles [17:04:02] PTW isn't big lol [17:04:12] we are just, like, funky [17:04:34] I think I know what NSFW you're talking about [17:04:44] it's amongst the most visited ones, yeah [17:06:20] rainworld is big [17:06:24] ptw not so much ye [17:12:21] Which one [17:13:33] degrees of something [17:13:58] it's a text based adult game iirc [17:16:27] degrees of lewdity ye [17:17:59] I think I saw the request for that [17:22:59] largest is blue pages iirc [17:23:09] degrees of lewdity [17:24:18] Never heard of it [17:25:03] i forgot what it is about lol [17:25:03] https://www.bluepageswiki.org/wiki/Main_Page [17:25:20] [1/3] > [17:25:21] [2/3] > [17:25:21] [3/3] > Our goal is to put together the histories of everyday places – local schools, parks, businesses, and roads, for example – in your neighborhood and all over the world. [17:25:52] 422k articles [17:26:22] 420k articles [17:26:23] even fandom's current biggest wiki (in pages), at 383k pages, doesn't have that many [17:26:31] But look at the pain page [17:26:35] Wait [17:27:18] Almost all generated from data [17:27:36] 2.44 edits per page average [17:27:37] yeah [17:28:19] 11 active users [17:29:17] there used to be lyricswiki, at 2 million pages [17:29:32] a colors wiki, which is almost bot generated, also at 2 million pages [17:30:06] and iirc, there was a lithuanian biology wiki (I think) that was at 600k pages, but got shut down after UCP [17:30:16] we know what happened w/ lyrics wiki 😔 [17:30:23] yeah, RIP [17:30:24] why??? [17:30:31] no idea [17:30:36] bruh [17:30:58] I still think that removing wikia domain was a dick move [17:31:14] they initially promised non-fan wikis to keep ot [17:32:04] It’s FANDOM [17:32:07] They kept the wikia domain around for years after tbf. But only for 'serious' wikis [17:32:39] I mean, now there's none? [17:32:53] yes [17:33:14] all wikia.org domains were moved to fandom.com [17:33:21] like 2-3 years ago [17:33:25] We support more domains then fandom… [17:33:35] people don't take those wikis seriously regardless of content quality [17:33:43] The entirety of RC is unpatrolled [17:33:58] [1/3] it's incredibly silly, like [17:33:58] [2/3] militaryhistory.fandom.com [17:33:58] [3/3] very cool [17:35:06] LGBT+ wiki became a joke because of that too, even before the whole merger shitshow [17:38:43] https://wikistats.wmcloud.org/display.php?t=mh [17:39:03] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273697477857644689/image.png?ex=66bf8eb6&is=66be3d36&hm=c71a2a8dd56d972d23d024ebccd44fa13fc08f1f1b66b9e520ea6ad2a55f1d93& [17:39:35] oh neat [17:39:45] att was larger than I thought [17:40:03] this is so fucked up [17:40:11] re biology wiki [17:40:12] DOL conversely much smaller than I thought [17:40:51] on the other hand it's rather off if it's listing things like avid [17:42:49] how accurate is that [17:44:11] I thought it wasn’t updated but May have heen wront [17:44:48] considering it lists avid the accuracy leaves something to be desired [17:44:56] I only have the, no idea of its quality, except it has "Last modified: November 03 2023 - 21:09:23" [17:45:03] well there we are [17:45:05] wellp [17:45:11] dol I think would be far higher now for example [17:45:41] the heck is HTTP 991 [17:45:43] you are steward, you can check their special stats lol [17:45:47] Hey, I'm also trying to set up a webhook and I have a question - there doesn't seem to be a field to input the webhook url. Do you know where it is? Like, what part of managewiki? [17:45:54] also is there a sort button [17:46:01] ih [17:46:04] didnt load before [17:46:26] meta is solidly king of active users [17:46:36] and #2 is…. [17:46:40] POLANDBALL! [17:46:48] Surprising, nobody [17:46:55] anarchy to be exact [17:47:10] the hell [17:47:16] avid is on here? [17:47:20] [1/2] this is where I put it [17:47:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273699560367325275/image.png?ex=66bf90a7&is=66be3f27&hm=2b377e9e52d8bef948d905df7aebd23af8c9b7a933d6c2a5087ce034423c74b7& [17:47:26] I did mention [17:47:29] ah, yeah, I think I have a problem then. [17:47:32] hang on, let me screenshot [17:47:35] didnt they move off [17:47:39] im fumb [17:47:40] if it's not showing up when you click add more I have that exact issue [17:47:45] and the resolution is hacky [17:47:58] list is from november so :p [17:48:02] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273699738624983141/image.png?ex=66bf90d1&is=66be3f51&hm=61f136763f04cb1e4501f1f217fea59809db0837f4bdd0ab324e5795329613e9& [17:48:08] yeah that's the problem [17:48:09] it says updated 18 hours ago [17:48:15] when I click 'add more', it adds more space between the first bit of white thing and the add more button [17:48:18] maybe its looking for the custom domain??? [17:48:33] @Technology Team cc to have a look at the discord additonal incoming webhook urls field, there is a display none in there that breaks visibility [17:48:35] it has the version as 1.42 [17:48:42] list is weird then [17:48:52] yea [17:49:04] next is the other poland ball [17:49:05] so let me see if I can recreate what I did to get that to show up because I thought it was just me [17:49:32] I'm going to have to do it in another browser session and hope it works the same way [17:49:37] oh epicduel wiki is 15th page count wise [17:49:42] i helped migrate that hehe [17:49:51] right above nonci [17:50:19] thank you - for me it's not urgent as I'm setting up the discord before inviting people to it, so I've got as much time as it needs, but it might be more of a problem for other people idk [17:50:34] yes, needs to be looked into with a fix [17:51:08] Rosseta code is up there active wise [17:51:11] oh wait it's showing now! [17:51:29] 18th I think [17:51:34] I refreshed a few times and clicked on other stuff and then went back to it and now there's like. 100 clear fields [17:51:37] but at least they're there! [17:51:52] okay that's aggravating [17:51:55] @theoneandonlylegroom PTW in in the top 20 active wikis [17:52:02] it seems to be an on and off thing then [17:52:04] 584 page count wise [17:52:06] rip [17:52:06] I know i've seen it before [17:52:25] yeah, but wish there would be more fresh stats xd [17:52:25] above ATT [17:52:35] there was a specific display:none that was getting in the way and breaking the display [17:52:42] I turned it off and it just worked after that [17:53:18] maybe had something to do with the search filtering because I'm pretty sure when I turned it off everything popped in [17:53:56] wikistats is open source [17:54:03] may be able to make a fresh instance [17:59:02] [1/2] sadge my wiki straight up isnt on wikistats [17:59:02] [2/2] wonder if it has something to do w the way it wasnt created in the database properly that also messed w matomo analytics [18:04:36] @theoneandonlylegroom where are you getting DoL being the largest [18:04:48] wikistats says 656 page count wise [18:04:51] I haven't said that [18:04:59] Oh mb [18:05:07] I said it's among most popular/visited [18:05:19] I'm pretty sure Agent said that at some point [18:06:07] When was it created [18:06:15] Wikistats doesn't touch Matomo at all [18:06:19] february [18:06:24] Hmm [18:06:30] I wonder if that's buggered again [18:06:40] Can someone like email me or create a task [18:07:04] I already put my laptop in my case [18:07:12] ah yeah, but when i reported the matomo problems apprently that was bc of it not being created in the database properly or something [18:07:16] But I can ssh into the vm at some point tomorrow [18:07:33] Wikistats and Matomo have completely different systems [18:07:42] Wikistats is using the api [18:07:43] ohhh [18:07:57] Your wiki wouldn't even exist if wikistats couldn't find it [18:08:28] me who barely remembers about matomo [18:09:04] Matomo is internal [18:09:15] Wikistats is external [18:11:44] [1/2] thonk [18:11:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273705705958015078/image.png?ex=66bf9660&is=66be44e0&hm=89db0162cdf333e771d10ac258a246e41787ff6c415912dfb9f916a2204d8afc& [18:12:25] you have access? [18:12:32] try minus the wiki [18:12:42] the search is without the wiki [18:15:12] Yup [18:17:04] @pixldev I was looking after while mutante was on sabbatical [18:17:25] What [18:24:50] What part of that is confusing [18:25:13] de worss [18:25:15] words* [18:25:51] idk my brain isn’t braining [18:26:10] @pixldev Wikistats is maintained by a WMF SRE is the Collaboration Services team in their personal time. I looked after the wikistats project while they were on an extended period of unpaid leave to do some travel across Europe. [18:26:25] im spending my time reading the german setting book for a TTRPG from last century I think. [18:26:32] ooooooh [18:26:44] gotcha [18:27:07] actually super interesting [18:27:54] Why does the British weather suck so much [18:34:21] Work isn't like school, you're allowed at most places to go fuck it I wanna take 3 months off and do fun shit a few times [18:34:28] You don't get paid of course [18:35:25] sorry guys gotta take 3 months off to perfect my D&D setting [18:38:28] The idea is it's healthy and allows you to recharge [18:38:30] Which is true [18:38:36] It doesn't really work at school [18:38:47] I guess unis you can do like semester abroad or gap year [18:39:02] But normal school doesn't work [18:39:26] Although I am anti 100% attendance policies [18:39:41] It is okay to take 1 or 2 days off school a year because you can't be arsed [18:41:56] I normally don’t skip school besides leave early for Christmas (but I may skip a day for WikiConf NA next year) [18:43:42] If you normally attend school fine and it's ok to have a day or two where you just don't feel like it and recharge [18:44:01] WikiConf should quite frankly be approved anyway [18:44:10] You'll learn more there than most school days [18:46:50] fax [18:47:18] it’s probably only one friday [18:47:32] My impression is thursday is just the afternoon [18:47:35] You shouldn't but I would genuinely tell a teacher that now I've left school [18:47:55] I would happily go up to any teacher and tell them my thoughts [18:48:01] I'd have done while I was at school [18:48:16] I had a go at a DT teacher for causing a students panic attack once [18:48:32] I have an awesome teacher, some cool or fine teachers and lame ones [18:48:39] What [18:49:16] DT told a kid with a history of panic attacks how crap they were [18:49:25] To their face [18:49:31] Rip their limbs from their bidy [18:50:23] Nah [18:50:33] There's better ways to deal with them [18:50:55] That teacher didn't like me for pointing out to them that they were probably the reason he'd now miss another day [18:50:59] Don't really care though [18:51:10] I'm known for being an awkward little shit when it's needed [18:51:16] And lovely the rest of the day [20:37:07] update: tested it - webhook worked!!! yayyyy [20:37:32] oh, we sharing our school trauma? fun [20:38:03] Lmao [20:38:48] i don’t really have much actually [20:38:57] i was a menace as a little kif [20:39:07] so def trauma for the teachers [20:39:59] my school experience was pretty traumatising overall - I mean, I'm a neurodivergent trans kid who's not even good at sports. I was kinda screwed from day one [20:41:09] primary school I was bullied until I had to leave, next school/secondary (it was both) had some good stuff but also more bullying and some of the most awful teachers you've ever met. [20:43:23] :hug: [20:43:29] Oof [20:59:24] I'm sorry [20:59:30] That's awful [21:00:03] You can't be menace [21:00:55] In the past, as a little kid [21:01:05] how long does it usually take for a wiki to be connected to a custom domain? [21:03:28] I still can't see it tbh [21:03:34] You're too likable [21:03:52] Until someone is available to click magic buttons [21:03:58] I was the class clown at school [21:04:06] But all the teachers loved me [21:09:11] beware the charismatic ones [21:12:38] I changed, a LOT [21:13:00] shush you. Let them remain unaware of my true power. It’s more fun that way [21:16:13] well yes [21:22:51] Good news Everyone! [21:23:21] Thanks to This Legend right here, @ghaztliousmoths I was able to access the wiki I needed to! [21:23:27] Give him a round of applause! [21:27:54] /auth [21:49:42] How do you use border images on Miraheze css ? I've got the border image and url set up but I'm just unsure on how to apply it to the css. Does it depend on what theme you first use perhaps ? [21:50:32] No it’s just CSS [21:51:07] Alright, so how do I do that in general then [21:56:34] <.labster> Edit Mediawiki:Common.css [21:57:26] well. fandom closed a wiki i just went through the process of adopting, a week after i got permanent rights to it. Usual fandom move [22:10:24] how did you adopt it? i tried to but their request page been closed for a while [22:20:20] i reached out to staff directly and requested they have a look at it since it’s closed atm [22:20:32] yea it sucks [22:20:50] seems miraheze will be able to host us tho which is good :) esp if DoL is allowed haha [22:22:36] [1/2] how could i paste plain text without using the template like this? [22:22:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1273768835824226345/image.png?ex=66bfd12b&is=66be7fab&hm=25e12dba5e68f8c640570b5f07b79b9e36841d7e52f2b51eba7342e948fa7fb6& [22:35:44] damn... i contacted support they told me to use the form. Once i said the form has been closed for a while they said it'll be open soon lol [22:54:45] [1/2] rip sorry to hear [22:54:46] [2/2] i started my adoption before it was closed tho, just applied for permanent rights directly so that’s probably why [23:10:37] Hm. Random question to my fellow wiki folks, what technical/extensions thing have you implemented in your wiki that you’re most proud of? [23:13:05] Honestly getting something technical to work makes me proud enough lol. Table scrolling my beloathed. [23:14:15] The advanced blanking filter that stopped the Netpedia LTA and is our newest global filter [23:18:28] relatable, everything about tables suck [23:19:06] (oh thats how you found it) okay that’s fair, great job tali! [23:19:20] :EpicFaceMH: [23:19:49] How about yourself? [23:25:32] [1/2] Me? I’m not really much of a wiki editor these days, I joined Miraheze for a minecraft wiki, but in the year since I’ve enjoyed engaging with the global community here so much more, I don’t really do anything locally anymore. If I had to choose, I’d probably say the module I wrote for an admin of PHIGHTING! Wiki. Basically, you store the components of a citatio [23:25:33] [2/2] n in one central list, and from there reproduce it exactly with a template. [23:26:16] [[mh:phighting:Module:StoredCites]] Lua can be very powerful if you know how to use it and are willing to not sleep a night or two 😄 [23:26:16] https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/phighting:Module:StoredCites [23:26:17] [23:26:24] Oooo [23:26:48] I've been needing to learn Lua since my time doing Celeste but I haven't had time to really get into it. [23:26:58] Also Phighting wiki is just really cool, huge props to @tedkalashnikov and the other editors(looking at you clown tart and others) [23:27:11] hai [23:27:20] It’s, a bit of a pain I will say [23:27:23] hai [23:27:30] im just complimenting your work [23:27:35] hope you had a good day [23:27:51] How does it compare to something like Py or JS or HTML? [23:27:55] But Scribunto/Mediawiki lua is truly powerful [23:28:29] Truthfully I’ve only used it for Mediawiki and like a single roblox dev class a few years ago [23:28:44] oh actually i did write another lua module on fandom I forgot [23:28:52] NOOOO [23:29:03] a true tragedy [23:29:24] I was referencing the documentation for the language and MediaWiki a lot [23:29:30] which is how programmers roll after all [23:29:34] The fandom part( [23:29:35] ? [23:30:20] making a custom infobox out of tables and a template for a disclaimer (i love parsers) [23:30:58] Parser functions are super cool as well [23:31:11] Super powerful if you don’t dive full on into Lua [23:31:43] A good friend of mine used them on fandom to make some incredibly useful stuff [23:32:30] Yes the fandom part lol [23:33:22] yo i love {{thing !Header \||Evil || NOOOO}} [23:33:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:thing_!Header_%5c [23:33:43] A WIP template that can automatically turn into stub after a week, automatically pluralized lables on an infobox when there’s a comma or new line, and a horrifically I mean impressive calculator for a custom lore calculator, which I rewrote in Lua [23:34:08] I’m trying to advocate for a move to Miraheze or self hosting don’t worry [23:34:14] doing things automatically???? pfft, why would iii~ [23:34:30] The community is also so centralized so that will certainly be a booj [23:34:50] [insert that one xkcd about the automation time chart] [23:35:39] Although, it’s worth noting that FANDOM wiki was what got me into wikis at all, and therefore Miraheze [23:36:05] Ironically, that FANDOM wiki is the reason I’m a community member and Global Administrator for Miraheze [23:36:12] xD [23:36:13] Nice [23:36:24] and a general wiki nerd [23:36:44] I’ve even met some super nice people in person because of wikis as well! [23:37:50] I uhm [23:38:02] Cannot relate purely because I like doing things in a very goofy manor xD [23:38:19] Met through the related communities tho [23:39:06] Haha, you think I don’t? [23:40:07] I’m easily probably one of the most… eccentric, volunteers we have. And I fully acknowledge and take pride in that. [23:41:42] It’s also very amusing to be the only teenager in a room of adults and all be on the same level because everyone is wiki-folk [23:41:59] That’s something [23:43:18] mfw i have have 300~ txt docs for this wiki im refrying [23:45:55] Oh dang [23:45:57] 🫡 [23:46:16] The preview function still doesn't work in discord for the wikis