[00:06:09] IIRC the one hangup with ko-fi is that it does require creating an account to donate, which is the same as github sponsors [00:06:35] Or maybe that was just for recurring [00:07:05] Yeah, that's only for recurring [06:11:23] how would i go about setting up the [templatedata]() extension ? im a bit confused by the instructions [06:13:18] [1/2] there must be a button in the corner iirc, and there will UI where you add parameters and give them names, description, etc [06:13:19] [2/2] after saving there will be a table in documentation part, w/ all the stuff you've made, and template will work in visual editor w/ the same data [06:14:20] so i dont need to download it tho yea ? [06:14:25] it's recommended to have documentation and thus templatedata separately from template as subpage [06:14:51] no, all extensions available on Miraheze are already installed, you just need to enable in admin menu aka Manage wiki [06:14:58] gotcha thanks [06:15:18] if you wanna you can check some template of Dev Wiki which have template data [06:15:45] [1/2] like, how they gonna look/work in the end [06:15:46] [2/2] but in source code template data is presented in JSON [06:16:06] also can we remove slow mode now lol [06:17:23] ^ [06:18:41] woo [08:35:20] is anybody able to visit this wiki: https://chobots.wiki [08:36:26] [1/2] Error 1014 [08:36:26] [2/2] CNAME Cross-User Banned [08:36:40] yeah same here [08:37:44] I wonder if it is something that a MH volunteer could fix [08:37:58] I see this issue only on this wiki, any other wiki is fine [08:54:17] @rhinosf1 ^ [08:56:34] Hi [08:56:47] @reception123 turn off slow mode please [09:00:12] I can get that fixed in a moment. Not sure why it was missed. [09:00:36] tbh I'm currently checking for activity of gaming wikis I have listed [09:03:37] It's ok, it's 100% my fault [09:11:37] it's ok [09:28:00] @justleafy2003 please ask the wiki's owner to contact us [09:29:23] the wiki is working now [09:29:51] Wait, when did this channel have slowmode [09:30:01] it is not [09:30:12] it was added earlier when the downtime happened [09:30:19] Ah [09:30:20] to me, it is fine [09:32:20] doing curl -v https://chobots.wiki/wiki/Main_Page --connect-to chobots.wiki:443:rainverse.wiki feels so cursed [09:35:26] RhinosF1: mind if i ask the bureaucrats of chobots.wiki to contact miraheze through their meta talk pages? [09:35:56] nvm not working anymore [09:39:44] also, what do you need them for? [09:47:49] BlankEclair: yes that's fine [09:49:54] is relay bot affected by slowmode too lol [09:58:07] I don't think it should [10:01:29] MirahezeRelay doesn't have neither ManageChannels nor ManageMessages so MirahezeRelay also affected [10:03:17] [1/2] I've let them know [10:03:17] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:BrockSexton#Regarding_the_Chobots_Wiki [10:20:52] They need to contact tech and we'll help them [10:21:26] alright [10:23:14] (why do they need to contact tech?) [10:27:33] BlankEclair: I guess something something CF specific, similar to way WikiTide works before merging back [10:28:50] Afaik they will have to use a custom CNAME challenge to get their domain to work [10:36:04] ah, correction: they will have to put another CNAME record, specifically for their domain so that it will connect to the CF-based infra [10:58:19] BlankEclair: see dm [10:58:22] PiscesXYZ_: nope [10:58:28] We migrated everyone automatically [11:17:46] is there a way to change my wiki margin so the content is smaller [11:18:17] [1/2] Also what exactly is {{{value}}}? [11:18:17] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bvalue [11:18:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281211799143972986/image.png?ex=66dae4f8&is=66d99378&hm=5b5ba82dab153c2864e4c53bc3419ec31d7e189b5138637e903523a0fee6dbf1& [11:18:31] Can't I just edit the label normally? [11:20:16] [1/3] oh, found some example by accident - like that [11:20:16] [2/3] https://loathsomecharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Enshin [11:20:16] [3/3] Their page is a lot smaller [11:22:14] [1/7] {{{value}}} is what you use to fill in the infobox later [11:22:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bvalue [11:22:14] [2/7] for example, if you change the label to "Name" and the source parameter to "name" (which displays like "{{{name}}}", later when you use the infobox on a content page you use [11:22:14] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bname [11:22:14] [3/7] ``` [11:22:15] [4/7] {{Infobox [11:22:15] [5/7] |name = John Doe [11:22:15] [6/7] }} [11:22:16] [7/7] ```to set the name to something [11:22:50] Thank you [11:23:05] Could you help me with that? This has this 'fandom' look [11:23:15] Some skin? how do I go and get this? [11:23:20] are you using the cosmos skin? [11:23:29] nah [11:23:42] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281213163936940075/image.png?ex=66dae63e&is=66d994be&hm=1d2b97eaa56bdfb8cfe608a4ff7d371290dc0c51f9d9fc9be968694938dbab1d& [11:23:44] go to managewiki extensions, turn on the cosmos skin, and then go to managewiki settings and set cosmos as the default [11:24:30] btw how long can my wiki be private [11:24:57] it can be private as long as you want? not sure what ur asking [11:25:04] ah because its inactive rn [11:25:16] im writing pages in notepad [11:25:27] so i dont want it to be closed as i finish it [11:26:00] thats [[Dormany Policy]], you just have to make an edit at least every 2 months [11:26:00] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dormany_Policy [11:26:02] [11:26:15] i cant spell [11:26:27] [[Dormancy Policy]] [11:26:27] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Dormancy_Policy [11:26:28] [11:26:53] :moonch: why is slowmode still on [11:27:39] [1/3] btw 'Manage this wiki's additional settings', there should I change to cosmos? in 'Styling'? [11:27:39] [2/3] Should I set up it for mobile too? [11:27:39] [3/3] changed and so far didn't change anything [11:28:00] Nvm works [11:28:28] [1/2] yes, change default skin to cosmos [11:28:28] [2/2] and since ur using cosmos which is mobile responsive, u should turn off the mobilefrontend extension so that mobile uses cosmos too [11:29:17] Thanks for help [11:31:48] [1/4] ok sorry i might have a lot more questions may be stupid some of these [11:31:48] [2/4] The background here is just an jpg? [11:31:49] [3/4] Is there any measurement somewhere so I know what will be hidden behind the content? Or I just need to do it by trial and error [11:31:49] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281215202477604989/image.png?ex=66dae824&is=66d996a4&hm=901203e932ec092ad279a86d426d86966af6df79e8a7db898754f8a1cbce7332& [11:32:56] [1/2] and where do I add files to my wiki like that [11:32:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281215486746427464/image.png?ex=66dae867&is=66d996e7&hm=753550661c92868d3695925e1cb60200ea56d69574cb50a6144d7990e6cef611& [11:33:48] yeah just trial and error, it should use the entire width of the background image, and might display slightly differently on different sized screens anyway [11:34:50] upload a image to the wiki, go to the image page and get the static url of the image (the full thing, should start with like `https://static.miraheze.org`) [11:42:29] Can't get static link [11:42:52] No clue how to get it, I'm on uploaded image file and there is no link, neither it is in when I copy [11:47:14] open image in new tab? [12:06:15] on File: page under image preview should be something like open in original resolution [13:14:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281240939473403966/image.png?ex=66db001c&is=66d9ae9c&hm=b091d992081a3e85e2d45fa75cce7fdc1fd86c5259c0b34fa7c8923e8a1445ab& [13:14:16] is this an issue? [13:15:01] Steward Requests/Misc is the right place to request a scope change for your wiki, right? [13:16:07] yes [13:18:59] Ok [13:18:59] what the error message says? [13:19:35] the greenery thing reminds me of trying to edit a template with VE [13:41:08] Hi Eclair [13:41:20] How are ya? [13:41:23] hello @finnishgrace [13:41:35] oh alright, just chatting with someone atm [13:41:54] I think we talked sometime before, You dont recognize me because I change my user weekly(I am mentally insane) [13:42:11] eh, aren't we all neurospicy one way or another? [13:43:25] That's one way to say it, I'm confused on what the person is referring to because the way she is having difficulties is the visual editor, I've never used visual anyways. I'll look into it to find the issue [13:43:46] There's nothing wrong, it must be her end [13:43:58] I've checked the page myself, false alarm apparently [13:44:59] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281248720645787720/image.png?ex=66db075b&is=66d9b5db&hm=08f0ba8ed4a5b4e0b44f67866fd59808c1a6a187f9986738bf6517a3268dd816& [13:45:12] WHAT THE..? [13:45:51] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281248938812510238/image.png?ex=66db078f&is=66d9b60f&hm=0a1daa25f5ba14c5fedaef5d94b1f097af70fd235ac653afab17225faf3504fe& [13:47:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281249410101284864/image.png?ex=66db07ff&is=66d9b67f&hm=6b8a3551ea3d05435203e19a6aeaf6224008c399a5f335220b650528891b94ad& [13:47:56] I got the issue, I need to edit for source. [13:50:01] taking this to support [13:59:39] I found the issue. [13:59:53] my editor used CSS classes, issue resolved [14:26:36] [1/3] which roles should i edit [14:26:36] [2/3] (everyone cant edit except bureaucrats and admin) [14:26:37] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281259191922851931/image.png?ex=66db111b&is=66d9bf9b&hm=2d0e66e0127b8a10ffc60724f6c59f267fe751e22c7b56d6efac92d7282dd769& [14:34:10] Hey, why isn't this logo showing up on the top left; https://static.lamiascoils.miraheze.org/4/48/Mindlesswikilogo.svg [14:38:35] That doesn't look like a valid link [14:45:22] Hmm ok how do I genereate a valid link then? Following the process on the page results in extra material being added to the link [14:48:20] The instructions should tell you how to get the link to static [14:48:31] What extra material do you see [14:48:50] https://lamiascoils.miraheze.org/w/img_auth.php/4/48/Mindlesswikilogo.svg [14:49:08] w/img_auth.php [14:49:16] I'm not sure why you think that's extra material [14:49:32] oh :facepalm: [14:51:00] Just to let you know, because it's a private wiki, the logo won't show unless you're logged in if you store it locally [14:51:20] If you upload it Wikimedia or Miraheze commons, you'll be able to work around that @mindlessforminerva [14:54:04] Ah ok done [14:54:07] TL:DR if the link starts with static.miraheze.org then you are doing something correctly [14:56:13] Felenov: static is only for public wikis [14:56:23] Private wikis using img_auth [14:56:36] Oh, the user in question got a private wiki [14:56:55] didn't see at first. [15:16:15] [1/2] @theoneandonlylegroom you have any idea how that would translate? [15:16:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281271686821449729/8d2de9bfbab68d8b.png?ex=66db1cbf&is=66d9cb3f&hm=32bc8d9088f7d7e6447cd8c6887471c7399b85bc844780b9bcbd81279ffb0a90& [15:18:19] Could someone tell me how to put “#” in links? [15:18:44] When I try, it treats it as redirects in sections. [15:19:06] thats what its meant to do, what are you trying to do? [15:20:09] Well, in fact, in the name of the page I'm trying to put, there's a “#”. [15:20:31] The page title really does contain a “#”, it's part of the title [15:22:21] i wonder if u can `{{urlencode}}` it: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#URL_data [15:22:21] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:urlencode [15:23:22] I can try to find out. [15:31:05] stalkword? no idea [15:33:14] do i pick users? [15:33:31] for logged ins [15:34:49] remove edit permissions from (everyone), add it to admin and bcrat [15:36:18] I am clueless right now. Probably going to have a cigarette and maybe something will come up [15:46:38] how about logged in users [15:47:01] when i tested on my alt it still appeared "edit" instead of "view source" [15:49:36] [1/2] u can check what rights user groups have at Special:ListGroupRights (search for `(edit)`), but by default (everyone) is the group that has edit perms and its not specified for users [15:49:36] [2/2] if users does have edit persm specified u can just take that off [15:52:01] so i have to remove users edit rights? [15:52:23] does it say users have edit rights? [15:53:17] `user` has edit permission iirc [15:53:19] yep lemme change that [15:53:51] hm, i remember having to take it off (everyone) and add it to user [15:54:12] [1/2] nice [15:54:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281281236375179315/image.png?ex=66db25a3&is=66d9d423&hm=51f51db5b71e20073bf617f63bed8fcb9ae49bc530936c73d9575c2a2d07bb15& [16:10:42] off now [17:06:48] I have a few questions regarding which links I am allowed to add to my Retro Handheld wiki. What about grey area stuff like the reddit r/roms megathread, links to romsets on archive.org, links to google spreadsheets containing affiliate links (not from me), or setup tutorials on google sheets containing rom links? I don't want the wiki to get banned. Thanks for any advice! [17:12:50] [1/2] you asked about amazon links previously? [17:12:51] [2/2] as for roms, I'm afraid this might fall into piracy territory, wiki.gg for example doesn't allow them [17:13:09] note that I'm not a steward [17:14:21] roms would effectively be piracy and it would be expected to take them down when called upon [17:15:22] secondary links leading to rom sites may be more blurry but I would not assume they are absolutely safe, but that's grey enough I wouldn't want to pre empt it necessarily if there's plenty of legit info and disclaimers are in place [17:15:48] in general with this in mind the most likely thing to happen would be a 'this link's got to go' and not necessarily the whole wiki being struck [17:15:59] it's not youtube, we'll work with the wiki on that [17:16:16] would a port mandeau of stalk and word make no sense? i dont know russian so i wouldn't know grammar and etc [17:17:32] [1/2] any idea how I could merge these two into a single table [17:17:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281302208549228625/Screen_Shot_2024-09-05_at_10.17.21_AM.png?ex=66db392b&is=66d9e7ab&hm=eca3fe75057c00de2ab82f9b50b82045e6841643e91218a48b09d021842117d0& [17:17:44] in which clicking on the icon brings up the info in the bottom one [17:17:56] Okay, thanks for the answer! [17:18:11] and/or how to make the top ones square [17:18:26] instead of being extended/shrunk by the text [17:26:14] [1/2] table cells being the same size: set a width for every cell in the top row (width="20%") [17:26:14] [2/2] really rudimentary way to get the images to link to tabs: set the link to "#tabber-tab_name" (like `|link=#tabber-Inferno_Drive`) (not sure if spaces can be spaces or need to be underscores) [17:26:41] that works? [17:26:52] I haven't managed to get tabs with images to work [17:26:56] in the tabbernue [17:27:10] it just refuses to embed them [17:27:49] i mean setting links for the top images (and u could hide the tabber's own nav bar with css lol) [17:28:18] does "parse tab names as wikitext" (or whatever the setting is called) not allow images? [17:30:33] my css knowledge isn't advanced enough to handle what I am trying to do im afraid [17:30:37] a:SCbabbyokand: [17:36:26] images in tab headers has definitely been done before but idk if anyones written one size fits all js for it 🤔 [17:38:27] What do you think of my dropdown menu for a specific category (in this case a small wiki for one device)? I tried out different things for better navigation and this is my best result so far. https://handhelds.miraheze.org/wiki/R36S_Problems_and_Troubleshooting [17:39:06] I am also happy for any feedback or suggestions [17:40:46] And what do you think of the "Back to the Top" button? [17:47:46] Wiki is very barebones for now. I'm trying to figure out mediawiki (first time using it) and set some standards before starting to add more pages. [17:49:50] Easy community contributions are also one of my goals [17:51:47] for more than like 2 or 3 images u might want to use a [gallery](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images/en#Rendering_a_gallery_of_images) and for certain links like the reddit link in the first section u might want to look into [citations](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Cite) [17:58:46] I'm looking to port SkinStyle for [[mw:Extension:StructuredNavigation]] to Citizen, I have nothing left to loses other than how to deal with massive dependation on wmui [17:58:46] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:StructuredNavigation [17:58:47] [17:59:18] any tricks for that dependation level? [18:21:12] What skins do you find hardest to make CSS themes for? [18:30:47] To expand on Raidarr's answer: definitely don't upload cracking software or ROMs (especially those 'liberated' using legally grey means) directly to your wiki. [18:31:42] There's a league of difference between directly hosting content vs linking to it that is important in this context. [18:53:04] If I translate it directly, it's a legal term in a completely different field. Slavic languages are a completely different bowl of fish. [18:53:15] ah, i see [18:55:59] I would never risk uploading copyrighted stuff myself and sharing it online on any website. So linking should be okay, but I try to keep it very limited anyways. Thanks for the support. Seems like a nice and helpfull channel here! [19:04:49] not Citizen tho, since they documented almost every layman terms and most of the variables that you can use to match the theme [19:07:44] i was gonna say citizen looks like itd be hard and scary 😭 its Too good and thorough [19:09:28] I guess it is just one that takes a while to theme [19:10:23] it just that, but once you are used to it, you can just contributes SkinStyles that override default extension's style that match the themes [19:11:44] How did the Terriana wiki on Wiki.gg do their swiching themes> [19:12:01] OOC-ed [19:15:06] And much appreciated that you are asking first and getting clarification vs just jumping in on something risky. 😄 The due diligence goes a long way to making all of our lives easier. [19:15:20] [1/46] fucked around and made a js snippet for this [19:15:21] [2/46] js: [19:15:21] [3/46] ```js [19:15:21] [4/46] // tabber image icons [19:15:21] [5/46] const waitfortabber = setInterval(function(){ [19:15:22] [6/46] if ($('.tabber__tab').length) { [19:15:22] [7/46] clearInterval(waitfortabber); [19:15:22] [8/46] $('.tabber-icon-image').each(function(){ [19:15:23] [9/46] const img = $(this).find('img').attr('src'), [19:15:23] [10/46] thistab = $(this).closest('.tabber__panel').attr('id'), [19:15:23] [11/46] tabheader = $(this).closest('.tabber').find('.tabber__tab[href="#' + thistab + '"]'); [19:15:24] [12/46] tabheader.addClass('tabber-has-icon').wrapInner('/span'); [19:15:25] [13/46] tabheader.prepend(``); [19:15:25] [14/46] $(this).remove(); [19:15:25] [15/46] }); [19:15:26] [16/46] } [19:15:26] [17/46] }, 300); [19:15:27] [18/46] setTimeout(function(){clearInterval(waitfortabber)},5000); [19:15:28] [19/46] ``` [19:15:28] [20/46] css: [19:15:28] [21/46] ```css [19:15:29] [22/46] .tabber__tab { [19:15:30] [23/46] display:flex; [19:15:30] [24/46] align-items:center; [19:15:30] [25/46] column-gap:5px; [19:15:31] [26/46] } [19:15:31] [27/46] .tabber-icon { [19:15:32] [28/46] width:30px; [19:15:33] [29/46] height:30px; [19:15:33] [30/46] object-fit:contain; [19:15:34] [31/46] } [19:15:34] [32/46] .tabber-icon-image { [19:15:34] [33/46] display:none; [19:15:35] [34/46] } [19:15:35] [35/46] ``` [19:15:36] [36/46] to use: add a image with the class "tabber-icon-image" to the content of the tab [19:15:37] [37/46] (example: `[[File:Image.png|class=tabber-icon-image]]`) [19:15:37] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Image.png [19:15:37] [38/46] this image will be used as the tab icon on page load (and removed from the content of the tab) [19:15:37] [39/46] and also css if u want the icon above the text: [19:15:38] [40/46] ```css [19:15:38] [41/46] .tabber__tab { [19:15:39] [42/46] flex-flow: column; [19:15:40] [43/46] justify-content:flex-end; [19:15:40] [44/46] } [19:15:40] [45/46] ```(putting this on dev later) [19:15:41] [46/46] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281331852895846491/image.png?ex=66db54c7&is=66da0347&hm=7d17bc7113d70b75ef882be2ed6e9844bb70615da87e0f80e3efb39e247ecbb2& [19:15:41] Does anyone know if there is any documentation for the "youtube" extension? https://github.com/miraheze/YouTube [19:17:27] [1/2] they made their own extension for that [19:17:28] [2/2] I submitted it here it didn't pass review [19:18:50] [1/3] [[mw:Extension:YouTube]] [19:18:50] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:YouTube [19:18:51] [2/3] I've made a template w/ it too [19:18:51] [3/3] [[dev:Template:YouTube]] [19:18:51] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:YouTube [19:18:52] [1/2] [19:18:52] [2/2] [19:20:15] thank you 😄 been looking for a way to add videos to some sort of gallery sort of thing [19:21:13] I’ll try this, thanks [19:21:18] :thumbcat: [19:28:55] just you know, in extension documentations ignore the installation part, everything that Miraheze offers is already installed and just needs to be enabled per wiki via admin settings [19:29:57] I suggest flexbox as gallery for embed videos [19:32:44] will see if i will understand flexbox stuff 😛 but just having them on a static site is very helpful, so thx [20:02:19] Technically game assets are considered danger zone but game devs don't exercise their DMCA or DSA rights but I would still rather avoid uploading them [20:21:06] Assets covers a pretty wide range of things, if you're talking assets like an in-game icon or sprite, used in documenting a game interface or a character, that is far lower concern (if properly attributed to the developer) than a whole packaged game executable or ROM file. [20:38:29] [1/4] Is being objective in every thing needed? can it lead to wiki removal? Not text though, that will be objective as much as possible [20:38:29] [2/4] The thing I am talking about is something like Influence (person's influence, this is actually more objective thing than the second one, but still - you can't really get it 100% objective it's mostly based on what you saw BUT could be improved/edited by community later) [20:38:30] [3/4] The second thing is 'points' (fun random element) that I want to do objective too but to have something unique in my wiki. Points are based on person character online, hard to explain but like their follower amount, how they engage with others (unnecessary drama is - points for example), their influence(referenced to Influence above) but combined why they have such an influence [20:38:30] [4/4] (is it because of their reputation or followers amount or they did something before that lead to it?), so on [20:40:58] @andreidudaua what's your wiki actually about [20:41:02] What's the purpose of it [20:41:18] crypt0 community [20:41:33] so people from twitter usually [20:42:13] for example elon musk would get hgihest influence possible because well he can move markets by his tweet right [20:42:24] random example it wont be about elon musk [20:42:47] so if you were talking about Elon Musk, you'd have to be fair and balanced [20:43:15] [1/3] > [20:43:16] [2/3] When discussing people, organizations, communities, and groups, wikis must make sure that their content is a meaningful source of commentary on the subjects they cover and substantiated by independent referencing where appropriate. A wiki is considered to provide meaningful commentary if it provides neutral factual coverage of its subjects, reasoned opinionated commentary or advocac [20:43:16] [3/3] y, or a clearly identifiable comedic or satirical purpose. [20:43:27] @andreidudaua [20:45:20] @andreidudaua does that help? [20:47:45] Yes kind of [20:48:09] [1/2] > identifiable comedic or satirical purpose. [20:48:10] [2/2] Well what if I will loudly say these points aren't meant to be taken seriously [20:52:21] No [20:52:28] It's based on a reasonable person test [20:53:00] If you can use reputable sources you can cite opinion, but then that has to be balanced generally speaking. But you can never just outright say "this guy is a con artist" for example. [20:53:16] You can't just say this is a comedy [20:53:29] A reasonable person must be able to clearly believe it is [20:53:41] Even if your just throwing out shit to make a joke that would be classed as a non-encylopedic publication. [20:54:08] There is already precedent that a notice is utterly useless if everyone thinks what you're saying isn't funny [20:54:37] hmm [20:54:43] how about making my wiki closed? [20:55:27] Making your wiki closed would mean you're leaving us [20:55:34] Do you mean private? [20:55:40] yeah something liket hat [20:55:47] No [20:55:48] If you make your wiki private you would still need to adhere to Miraheze's wiki policy. [20:55:59] The content policy still applies to private wikis [20:56:37] Okay but how can I actually use 'reputable sources' for the Influence thing [20:56:57] like point system is something else but there is no way to document such stuff so perfect [20:57:08] if it's small community this is stuff seen from experience by everyone [20:57:17] There must be some logic behind it [20:57:34] I have logic but then it still isn't 'objective' in that 1% [20:57:51] use a more quantifiable metric like twitter followers or net worth [20:58:06] Is it neutral ? [20:58:16] <_arawynn> from what I understand about your wiki, it kind of sounds as if it's more message board style? [20:58:26] If you're rating someone's influence, it must be based on something [20:59:07] wdym? kind of yes i think [20:59:08] [1/2] So my wiki for example, I have sections for players who received bans or suspensions for doping, I cite sources usually directly, with reputable sources like from the BBC or Fox Sports, and if someone makes an opinion piece on the doping violation with tweets from tennis players, I can cite that and include it in an encyclopedic fashion. I couldn't myself say "this tennis player i [20:59:08] [2/2] s a filthy cheat". That would step out of bounds. [20:59:12] Because otherwise it's bullet point good / bad commentary [20:59:33] Neutral like in what sense, sorry for these questions but i'm not understanding sometimes [21:00:04] Can they be freely challenged? Does the subject have a right of reply? [21:00:11] Neutral would be that your not picking a side, in my example I am stating a series of events or reasons for the doping violation, without forming an opinion of my own. [21:00:12] Yeah of course [21:02:04] <_arawynn> well it seems like what you want is not exactly compatible with a wiki - if I were you, I'd consider looking into hosts for a message board [21:02:14] No, I want wiki [21:02:29] I have a lot of subpages etc [21:02:32] So it suits [21:02:55] If it can be freely challenged and the subject has a genuine right of reply, then you're collecting people's opinions and that might be okay [21:03:02] But it's got to be meaningful still [21:03:14] It can't be bullet point ye this guy is good cause I said so ye [21:03:26] I would maybe not look at Fox [21:03:28] <_arawynn> subpages and categories exist on message boards too but if you want a wiki then do you, it was just a suggestion [21:03:48] <_arawynn> also I'm off to bed again [21:04:04] gn ty for help [21:04:14] so what about just [21:04:18] adding this [21:04:42] wait need to think what i want to write [21:04:45] Fox Sports generally has a good reputation sporting wise, if it was Fox News then I wouldn't use it. But usually it's also not the only source used when I'm adding a source to a sentence. [21:05:09] For doping, you could use the actual doping decision from the countries authority tbh [21:06:35] Not typically, as the doping would be handled by the ITIA, as they are the ones that work with the ITF/ATP/WTA strictly speaking. They are used as a source, but if I can help it, it's backed up with other sources so I'm not just relying on a primary source. [21:07:11] That's good [21:12:10] [1/2] btw how can a person easily challenge it and what would be the best way for me to let them do it? [21:12:10] [2/2] is there comment section on wiki? [21:12:42] All pages have a talk page associated to them [21:12:51] We also have a few comments extensions you can install [21:12:57] But it's a wiki, anyone can edit too [21:13:11] it's really down to you and how you set it up [21:13:25] [1/2] honestly it's mostly impossible to do in my wiki in context of the 'points'. there is simply no documentation of these stuff online and this is mostly just known by people [21:13:25] [2/2] hard to prove (sometimes) because it requires a lot of digging but you can see and feel it, why certain people have certain reputation here [21:13:35] okay thanks for help [21:14:21] I'm struggling to see how this is meaningful content [21:14:28] What exactly [21:14:37] And what the encyclopaedic value is [21:14:41] Is this an approved wiki [21:14:44] Of the whole community of mine? [21:14:46] Yes [21:14:54] Well a good 90% of the tennis players I have on my Wiki aren't known and have no sources attached to them other than Primary sources. They are still notable by my Wiki's standards. So I'm not sure I understand the argument. [21:15:16] Because you told me earlier to link sources [21:15:30] obviously i wont point out straight 'this person is a bad guy' because i said so without proof, no im not doing that [21:15:34] Link? [21:15:43] I can dm you but it's not done [21:15:52] Dm is fine [21:17:00] [1/2] If it's opinionated you should, I can't write "Sinner is a cheat" as that would be opinionated. If a tennis player says it, and an article is written about that. I can then include the sentiment. [21:17:00] [2/2] But typically speaking any form of research should be well sourced, and it's doubly important for an encyclopedia to have that sourcing. [21:17:35] You can say you think he's a cheat if you can show why [21:17:51] But if someone has showed a counter argument, you should present that view too [21:18:04] And you should cover any reply given to them allegations by the subject [21:18:08] "Roger Federer is a tennis player from Switzerland" doesn't need to be sourced, it is generally known. "Roger Federer is the greatest of All time" would need sourcing. [21:18:56] @andreidudaua not seeing a DM [21:19:29] You can still source the fact he's from Switzerland [21:19:38] I'm sure Wikipedia has a source for basic biographic info [21:23:06] @andreidudaua reading your wiki request, most of your wikis aims and purpose seem fine but I'm not sure what value is gained out of the fun points [21:23:32] It seems to degrade the wikis value in all honesty and draw away from the rest of its encyclopaedic nature [21:23:36] [1/2] I guess, I know it certainly helps if a player switches nationality, I'm just saying if we're discussing sources, there is a reasonable sentence where no one would contest he is a tennis player from Switzerland, if you were to say he is the greatest of all time, it would then be a combination of writing and sourcing. Though at this stage I'm probably detracti [21:23:37] [2/2] ng a little from the discussion. [21:24:02] well, I had to source birthplace when updating a Wikipedia article, because Wikidata entry had incorrect birthplace for ages [21:24:16] You said it would be done objectively so there needs to be a consistent logic behind it [21:24:17] sources being a podcast interview and later an autobiography [21:25:03] that information remained rather obscure until these things seeing the light [21:26:12] I remember there is a player from the Democratic Republic of Congo, where the website lists them as being like 120 years old or something. [21:26:26] I have to cite this information is likely incorrect lol [22:13:16] Hey, I need some help - trying to upload a new version of a file, but no matter what extension I use, I get an error saying it's the wrong extension (specifically it says "File extension ".png" does not match the detected MIME type of the file (image/jpeg).") [22:13:51] I've tried uploading as png, and as jpg, and as jpeg [22:13:58] I get an error msg every time [22:14:39] (the earlier version of the file was png) [22:16:18] [1/2] when I try to upload a .png, it says: [22:16:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1281377397509455935/image.png?ex=66db7f32&is=66da2db2&hm=cfbbb4ef78138d6e3bed1c9c89718682ea38bfc3a932206c104a849818c04f0a& [22:16:57] it seems your png is really a jpeg [22:17:43] how is that possible? Can files lie like that? [22:18:05] if you can't trust file names, who can you trust really [22:18:15] it would seem so [22:18:49] But it says the file type is png! I don't understand what's happening ): [22:19:06] like. i don't. why is the file lying [22:19:28] > [06/09/2024 08:18] if you can't trust file names, who can you trust really [22:19:31] the contents of the file :3 [22:19:43] (but i suppose we have polyglots...) [22:20:22] it's a piece of art that the artist is letting me upload! I really wanted the shiny new version on the wiki. I guess I'll have to convert it... Jeez, converting a .png to a .png. fun times. [22:20:24] need a quick walkthru with putting in infoboxes [22:20:30] specifically the military conflict one [22:20:36] you could also change the file extension to .jpg [22:21:27] wait, what? Don't I want it to be .png? [22:21:52] i personally would upload it in the file's current native format [22:21:58] but i suppose you could convert it to a .png if you want [22:22:45] I mean, I did try, but I keep getting that error message [22:22:51] oh? [22:23:00] this one [22:23:11] as in you opened the file in an image editor, and resaved it? [22:23:32] (that's like the easiest/laziest way to convert between formats) [22:23:49] the conversion worked! [22:23:56] oh okay [22:24:41] I downloaded it as a png - I don't think my file editor lets me change the extension once it's already downloaded. If it does, I haven't figured it out yet [22:25:01] if you're on windows, then you'll need to show file extensions [22:25:27] but also, resaving should save it as a png [22:26:27] resaving like redownloading? [22:26:35] resaving in the image editor [22:26:58] again, not something I knew I could do! Learning a lot tonight - thanks! [22:27:08] ehehe you're welcome ^_^ [22:29:07] related video (if you're interested in tech stuff): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVdmmN0su6E [23:26:47] <.labster> For every person here today that donates $2.75 to Miraheze, that's $2.75 that won't be donated to Wikipedia instead. [23:29:59] donate negative money to miraheze [23:47:30] For every person that donates $0, nothing will happen; but that's not very nice, is it?