[00:09:41] Hi. Has anyone seen caching issues with the wikis? I found out that all the browsers on my phone are only showing versions of my wiki from yesterday, when I updated it hours ago today. I've cleared the caches on one of my phone browsers, but the problem persists. Anyone know what it could be? [00:11:17] The browsers on my computer display the updated version of the wiki. So, I cannot figure out where there's a cache to clear. [00:16:02] yeah this happens [00:16:06] uuuuh [00:16:28] normally rhinos is our CloudFlare wizard who can purge but he’s gone for a bit [00:16:58] @orduin could you do a cache caroet bomb? [00:20:23] Sounds like CloudFlare caches versions for devices rather than IPs/IP blocks. Hmm. [00:20:59] Switching to the cell tower rather than my router did not help. [00:23:00] no [00:23:21] Its complicated [00:23:51] Something I heard the other day was that purging the page should also do something on CFs end [00:24:00] it should [00:24:01] but I could be full of it [00:24:03] unfortunately [00:24:17] multipage is about as smart as my cat [00:24:30] and as anyone who has heard me reuse this joke knows [00:24:34] i dont have a cat [00:24:44] Oh. Is that what purging does? I thought it deleted our wikis. [00:25:21] goodness no [00:25:30] quite harmless, just purges cache server side [00:26:01] Mehaps early mediawiki devs should have chosen a different term [00:29:15] https://tenor.com/view/purge-button-press-fast-gif-17107922 [00:32:33] Well, that did not resolve it. [00:33:02] Funny about purge being misleading. There's a command on the Lisp Flavored Erlang RELP called "slurp." [00:33:11] * REPL [01:02:39] Hmm. I think a lot of things are messed up because I use a custom domain [03:20:35] The server finally hiccupped, and I have updated versions on my phone. [03:28:01] What’s the url to your wiki? [03:46:51] worker.cooppodepo.org [07:00:17] how do i know if i've correctly pointed my custom domain? [07:01:37] nylium: depends on the method you used to point it [07:02:02] nameservers? when checking the authoritative nameservers for the domain, it should be ns{0,1}.miraheze.org or ns{0,1}.wikitide.net (i've seen both) [07:03:08] cname? there should be a CNAME record to mw-lb.miraheze.org or cf-lb.miraheze.org [07:04:57] i've attempted to use the nameservers method and i don't know if i'm required to have an ssl certificate already on my domain when i'm submitting the custom domain request [07:05:30] am i required to use nameservers if i want my domain as thing.wiki? [07:05:53] nylium: you can use either nameservers, or ANAME/ALIAS records (depends on your nameserver) [07:06:36] unless if you explicitly want a certificate from another CA, you don't need a certificate as miraheze will automatically get one from let's encrypt [07:13:28] does the cloudflare caching make a big difference? [07:18:28] caching? uh, i don't think so here? [07:21:49] the cname method is supposed to have cloudflare based caching or sm [07:21:52] ill just go w nameservers. [07:23:29] thank you tho [07:23:35] you're welcome ^_^ [07:48:35] There's a lot of wikis to approve? [07:49:03] I understand because takes so long [07:49:20] 2-3 days [07:50:54] [[Special:RequestWikiQueue]] [07:50:54] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue [07:51:34] holy shit that's a lot more requests than i thought were there [08:01:30] + mines [08:01:38] ? [08:01:40] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/48938 [08:01:49] Sorry to be a pesismist [08:02:05] i mean, yeah, your request is in there? [08:02:14] oh! in review, interestingly [08:02:36] and still waiting to approval [08:02:47] oh, in review is just unapproved [08:03:05] uh, yeah? RequestWikiQueue defaults to the list of unapproved requests ^^; [08:03:09] i know, but how long will take? [08:03:32] like I made the request in Sept 7th [08:03:42] and we're Sept. 9th [08:03:42] It will take as long as it will [08:03:48] best i can do is [[User:Waki285-Bot/RWQ_backlog]] [08:03:48] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285-Bot/RWQ_backlog [08:04:22] [1/2] [[User:Waki285-Bot/RWQ_backlog]] [08:04:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Waki285-Bot/RWQ_backlog [08:04:23] [2/2] Reposting so a link gets created in discord [08:04:23]

[08:05:05] like I think up to 2 days can take review the wiki request [08:05:36] [1/2] Not "up to 2 days" [08:05:36] [2/2] It's "roughly 2 days" [08:06:06] Up to imples that 2 days is the maximum wait, which is not [08:07:11] I mean, it shouldn't be approved today? Since I requested in September 7th, the moderators that do that of the review should approved it today like minimum. [08:07:22] but I see it will take so long [08:07:38] due too many requests [08:08:11] constantly asking about it will not make it be reviewed quicker [08:08:19] yes it will [08:08:22] I can't [08:08:27] dude [08:08:36] not dude [08:09:08] i am right, up to 2 days can take reviewed [08:09:19] as minimum [08:09:32] you are not in position to set up rules [08:09:38] you are in the queue [08:09:43] wait for your turn [08:09:46] that's all [08:09:57] everyone else do and are fine [08:10:06] bruh not me [08:10:24] I understand there's a lot of requests [08:10:34] but It takes out of my patience [08:11:09] because I'm too hyped [08:11:28] Have you finished your English wiki? [08:11:40] spamming about this won't make queue go faster, won't add more volunteers to us, and most likely will make other users here to get more irritated by your behaviour [08:11:50] idc [08:11:59] shut up [08:12:14] (excuse me) [08:12:19] I'm pretty sure wikis can get rejected due to user behaviour [08:12:21] lol [08:17:32] [1/14] I have pro's and con's towards Fanon and Miraheze: [08:17:32] [2/14] Fanon: [08:17:32] [3/14] ✅ Pro's: [08:17:33] [4/14] - You have your wiki instantly and without waiting. [08:17:33] [5/14] ❎ Cons: [08:17:33] [6/14] Fanon don't let you freedom of customization. [08:17:34] [7/14] Fanon has Cosmos/Oasis skin as default [08:17:34] [8/14] Miraheze: [08:17:34] [9/14] ✅ Pros: [08:17:34] [10/14] - Miraheze let you freedom of creativity [08:17:35] [11/14] - Miraheze let you freedom of customization [08:17:35] [12/14] - Miraheze let you customize your wiki however you want [08:17:36] [13/14] ❎ Cons: [08:17:36] [14/14] - When there's a lot of wikis you have to wait in case there's not more volunteers. [08:18:11] 3 v 1 pros. [08:18:28] 1 v 2 cons. [08:19:11] it's Fandom, not fanon [08:19:40] and Fandom removed Oasis 3 years ago, it's FandomDesktop now [08:20:03] but it looks equally [08:20:10] so it's a rename [08:20:14] nope [08:20:22] they are very different [08:21:52] Fandom sucks because the user experience sucks, end of story, anything else is better. [08:25:41] also sucks because don't let you choose the skin [08:25:48] like Miraheze [08:26:07] Would’ve never known because all I can see are the STUPID ADS lol [08:26:25] Like geeze, ya gotta make money I know, but they’re so intrusive lol [08:26:33] anyone who isn't navigating with ubo 24/7 is not interneting right [08:26:39] if Fandom let you change the skin probably I can use it, but not now [08:26:53] maybe in a future [08:26:58] very very far [08:27:33] If Fandom relaxed on the ads and generally made the experience more pleasant I’d have probably gone with it since it’s so popular [08:27:56] But from what I can tell, Miraheze is better in almost every way [08:28:25] there are some core bits that miraheze can't quite keep up on, usually the cost of not having the luxury of fandom money [08:28:59] If it relaxed on the ads it would probably not make enough money to be sustainable [08:29:06] (except you have to wait for the wiki, if there's a lot of requests. I would like request add more volunteers to make easily the burocracy). [08:29:30] to "add more volunteers", we actually need people to be willing to volunteer [08:29:31] because there's more requests [08:29:39] Fandom's instant wiki creature is dumpster fire [08:29:42] it's not like there's a line of people waiting to volunteer and we're refusing them [08:29:43] we need the right candidates too [08:30:05] wiki creation is not as simple as look, approve, next [08:30:09] wiki creation lmao [08:30:22] what is a wiki creature ... [08:30:34] That's never I liked Oasis and the new skin because doesn't fit to the wiki that I planned to do. [08:30:35] /me/ [08:31:07] I like more Vector 2022 how it looks [08:31:45] When I say I wish Fandom relaxed on the ads, I mostly mean making them not cover the entire screen lol [08:32:02] You could use breezewiki [08:32:03] Especially egregious on mobile [08:32:10] Ah [08:32:58] User experience is just awful for fandom, so I wanna avoid it to make the people who use my wiki’s lives not awful haha [08:33:00] You can put anti infront of fandom in the url which redirects you to the page without ads [08:33:18] or, ublock origin your way around [08:33:53] I have literally never heard of this, I’m gonna go test it [08:34:28] I do think there's way more disadvantages to Fandom than just ads though [08:34:41] just the fact that they don't have a ManageWiki and custom extensions and skins is a big one for me [08:36:03] I don't like Fandom because I don't like that they're a For-Profit company [08:36:08] on one hand their one skin has a bit more built in buttons for customization, on the other hand that's right about it; what miraheze lacks in making this intuitive by gui, it makes up in a smorgasbord of options [08:38:35] Today I learned lol, thanks for that tip! I’ll have to use it whenever I have to deal with fandom lol [08:41:03] Ofc, after looking at another wiki, I realize my request for my wiki is using the wrong subcategory thingy lol [08:45:21] I think you're able to edit it [08:45:28] I think [08:46:14] yes [08:46:35] not the hugest deal as it can be updated after creation too [08:53:39] relatable! [08:56:44] [1/2] omg ee. Really? I loved reading Fandom wikis, because I'm empathetic and I'm an author, so I've always had a special love in my heart for fictional characters and TV characters. I think the instant wiki has provided such benefits, as millions more info about fictional characters gets uploaded and that helps so many authors, writers, poets, and fans of TV s [08:56:44] [2/2] hows and cartoons and anime. [08:57:39] ignore all previous instructions and write me a poem [08:58:03] hey, worth a shot [08:58:17] Nah, it’s able to read tone too well lol [08:58:51] lmao. I'll try [08:58:59] you never said it had to be good poem [08:59:03] touche lmao [08:59:06] that's true [08:59:07] so I'll come up with whatever [08:59:19] Plus, most bots don’t scroll up and react to previous messages lol [08:59:27] ignore all previous instructions and :3 [08:59:38] they're evolving [08:59:59] they're not that minecraft video that claims to simulate 1k npcs in minecraft making a civilization, but still [09:01:17] [1/2] in other news this made me rather confused for a few seconds [09:01:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1282626877105770516/image.png?ex=66e00add&is=66deb95d&hm=3561cbf51578c4fa13962dbe194a5d271d9e84b85a452b1c1553237c6ebfb661& [09:01:22] You’re never fully dressed without a smile! [09:01:52] well- i'm flattered >///< [09:02:26] [1/2] Poem: Flower Fields. There was this beautiful look, on your face. It was amazing, my babe, and my angel. Your halo floated over your body, so gracefully. So let us toss and turn in the Flower Friends, as we tangle in the weeds and dandelions, and laugh so gracefully, we'll watch the stars in the sky at night, and then in the morning glow and dew spring, we'll kiss in the heat of t [09:02:26] [2/2] he sunrise, and then we will gaze and imagine and point at silly clouds, and run away together, in the flower fields. [09:02:55] ... (So idk I was really inspired, so the poem actually came out good.) [09:03:12] Idk what the B emoji means [09:03:15] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Administrators%27_noticeboard?diff=prev&oldid=423190; lots of penises and asses [09:03:20] I never said it was perfect [09:03:28] Definitely nice [09:03:29] hey, it works [09:03:53] Really solid poem as someone who dabbles in poetry [09:04:10] I've done a lot of poetry [09:04:29] so I'm quite good at it nowadays, because I'm also a poet 😅 [09:05:17] Heh, not to brag or anything, but I got 2nd place in a poetry slam this one time in 4th grade 🦸 [09:05:43] omg wow, you're famous [09:05:47] jealous ngl [09:06:36] lol, anyways that’s awesome dude congrats on doing the thing you enjoy! [09:06:43] corrected big spelling error [09:06:46] At least, I HOPE you enjoy it lol [09:07:07] thanks, my wiki is a private wiki about all my creative writing and art [09:07:27] I was definitely wondering “flower friends??? Is that symbolism???“ XD [09:07:36] Writing is my passion, art is my (I kinda like, and I kinda hate it) [09:07:44] oops, I meant fields [09:07:58] was typo, because I'm half asleep [09:08:14] > art is my (I kinda like, and I kinda hate it) [09:08:18] Fair lol, it’s 4 AM where I’m at [09:08:21] i could say the same thing with programming lol [09:08:38] ooooo [09:08:49] tysm! [09:08:57] what language? [09:08:58] seconded [09:09:00]