[00:03:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to canyada> nah
[00:04:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> there’s a specific padding incurred on [[mh:meta:chinafakewiki:Home]]
[00:04:10] <wm-bot>	 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/meta:chinafakewiki:Home
[00:04:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/chinafakewiki:Home>
[00:04:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> [[mh:chinafake:Home]]
[00:04:41] <wm-bot>	 https://mh.wikipedia.org/wiki/chinafake:Home
[00:04:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://chinafake.miraheze.org/wiki/Home>
[00:04:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> there we go
[00:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [1/3] still feel like thats kinda where the problem is coming from
[00:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [2/3] bc normally the margin of 2 <p>s kinda combine into each other so if theyre both 10px margin, (example numbers) it looks like theres a 10px gap between them and not a 20px gap
[00:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [3/3] but now the table separates the 2 <p>s so both the 10pxs are counted separately and it becomes 20px
[00:41:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vichan, replying to canyada> [1/2] Hey, sorry for asking stupid questions, but I even tried searching the discord for answers. I've toggled on Cosmon in the extensions, but it's not appearing in my dropdown to select as a skin in the styling tab. 
[00:41:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vichan, replying to canyada> [2/2] Do you know if there's a delay, or if I'm doing something else silly that's causing Cosmos to not show up?
[00:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> u might just have to wait a few minutes
[00:44:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> always give it a bit when its a managewiki change
[00:50:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vichan> Thank you both, it just popped up! Seems like it took about 20 minutes or so.
[00:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <vichan> Actually probably a bit longer, since I started searching for answers 20 minutes ago haha
[00:57:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to vichan> odd
[00:57:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to canyada> ah
[00:57:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> so I put the table in a div(?)
[00:57:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> put the switch of the motd template itself in a div
[01:58:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to canyada> ah
[01:58:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> ok, will do
[02:17:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> [1/2] I was sick for 2 days and couldn't handle it... it would increase so much... 💀
[02:17:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285424287909548063/image.png?ex=66ea3828&is=66e8e6a8&hm=7ab83cdba0ea4b9bc5698d4154d98d200b9f08bb1b75e59b4d95a8aa8eda2b3f&
[02:17:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> ❤️
[02:17:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285424390338514945/image0.png?ex=66ea3840&is=66e8e6c0&hm=140ee3f89226ccfe5ec638cd65b3bdd2cc63b68c04a1106f9b49ecd03fff694c&
[02:17:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Wiki request log by beloved
[02:18:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to suzuneu> If you do 1, it multiplies
[02:21:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> Wiki creation queue is something I was considering doing but translations are not done (yet)
[02:25:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [1/3] Hi,
[02:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [2/3] I just noticed my user page on meta is not automatically synced with my global userpage from Login Wiki.  I guess it's because I made my user page on meta before making a global user page.  
[02:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> [3/3] Is there a way I can delete my meta local user page so that it will sync with my global page?
[02:26:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suzuneu> just paste `{{delete|use global user page` on your meta wiki user page
[02:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <randomizedkirbytree47> Thanks!
[02:28:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to felenov> If you volunteered as wiki creator, I think you'd do an excellent job
[02:29:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to agentisai> Wiki creator and Steward are two things I am probably not going to volunteer for any time soon.
[02:31:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Steward would be a while away
[02:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> but wiki creator is a good short-term prospect I'm sure no one would oppose you for
[02:34:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> SRE is something that I think will make better use of my time in terms of benefit to Miraheze and WikiTide Foundation
[02:36:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> Or just doing Meta-related work
[02:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> SRE? What's that? Never heard of it \:P
[02:37:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <drewindigo> lol
[02:37:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> Technology, formerly SRE
[03:08:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> @agentisai
[03:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> i heard you were kicking around
[03:09:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> nice to see you
[03:13:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I'm scared now
[03:13:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to thirdcoming_> Good to see you
[03:13:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_, replying to agentisai> WHY
[03:14:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> You scare me
[03:14:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> did I leave an impression of animosity
[03:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> what happened man
[03:14:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to thirdcoming_> No
[03:14:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I'm just naturally scared \:P
[03:14:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> you of all people telling me that?
[03:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> c'mon
[03:14:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> what's up
[03:14:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> you can DM me if you need
[03:15:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> good to see you're commandeering PBW and PCB still
[03:15:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> you left PBW in a bit of a scare back there lol
[03:15:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> can't believe you're calling me scary
[03:16:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> I don't think PBW was ever in any real state of danger
[03:16:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> Everything sort of just continued as it was
[03:16:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> there were a lotta unknowns
[03:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> some unknowns still actually
[03:16:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> as far as I know our domains are coming out of your wallet
[03:17:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> The domains should be good until 2025 I think
[03:17:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> care to message me before they're up?
[03:17:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> i can take care of it after that
[03:18:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thirdcoming_> also. would you like to get reinvolved with either of those communities at all?
[04:51:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to felenov> Agent can attest, I definitely sent a message or two their way saying 'holy cow I'd never want to be in the steward hot seat'
[04:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> And yet, now I'm both steward and board member.  The volunteer hooks, they can get in you.
[05:39:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> so I’ve got a thing using dplforum
[05:40:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> whenever I click any link to another forum or post it takes me to /wiki/Forum:Whatever?t=<some very long timestamp>
[05:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> also it shows the default Miraheze favicon in that namespace for whatever reason
[05:42:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to groupnebula563_0765> which is also not the greatest for SEO
[05:42:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> as you might be able to imagine, especially since the timestamp is changing constantly
[08:33:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [1/2] How do I add quotes?
[08:33:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285518997726691379/Screenshot_20240917_153309_Chrome.jpg?ex=66ea905c&is=66e93edc&hm=63dc02c08e26f83fb658ae6b7e39e976493bacfa5ada0f40d8dae7ce31caca01&
[08:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> [1/2] hi; one of our pages at the bottom read "pages where template include size is exceeded"
[08:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> [2/2] whats the maximum amount of templates that can be transcluded on a page? thanks!
[08:53:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [1/3] this i guess
[08:53:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285524114970509324/image.png?ex=66ea9520&is=66e943a0&hm=6afadd3ad5c628a91d663aad556957348e67c2eaa6ee71811c95d974e50fb7cc&
[08:53:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285524115255464028/image.png?ex=66ea9520&is=66e943a0&hm=53748c8132aeb1ee0c6ab7f6d54b5382c0985e986c8b2dd0c42abba7c8ef6423&
[08:56:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Hello, quick random question, is possible to have a Custom CSS page just for Importing Fonts ? Wanted to have it separated like the ImportJS, if not no big deal I will have it just part of Common.CSS
[08:56:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mooncloud, replying to canyada> Which page is this from?
[08:57:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> Special:TrackingCategories
[09:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada, replying to aels224> u could @import it i guess? like `@import url('Mediawiki:Something.css');` on common.css
[09:02:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> So I add the Fonts on Something.css and just reference it on Common.css ?
[09:02:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> yea
[09:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Sounds perfect, thx Canada ! 🙂
[09:02:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Here's a hug for you
[09:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> https://tenor.com/view/hug-gif-15819456627234943636
[09:07:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> that's a template, code it the use
[09:09:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [1/2] I did that on Fandom if I used like 3 fonts, and they were in a scary barrage of symbols instead of proper font file lol
[09:09:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to aels224> [2/2] I'd say if you use local font files or import from another place, then it's more compact to just keep in Common.css
[09:11:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [1/3] I import it from a website but I wanted to have it separate to keep easier to read and edit for me, it's mainly for mental load.
[09:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [2/3] Oh and it worked perfectly, thx again.
[09:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285528458902110312/image.png?ex=66ea992c&is=66e947ac&hm=2fd5a2b95476718ead57aa024b8d302ab250b02493535ba2e94ceb80260d2b77&
[09:13:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> audebesh
[09:14:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> INdeed
[09:44:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Okay, tried the same with a uploaded font but it doesn't seem to work, I guess I did something wrong 😅
[09:50:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven, replying to canyada> thanks !
[09:53:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> How do I get a static version of an image
[09:53:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Like how do I do it myself
[09:54:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> go to file page right click copy image link
[09:55:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to canyada> [1/2] ?
[09:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to canyada> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285539711494131736/Screenshot_20240917_165533_Chrome.jpg?ex=66eaa3a7&is=66e95227&hm=5ecc2ff6b9c3d245ad0ff4820c4f63e0491e6ce1bac6773e253f0575024c651a&
[09:56:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> open image in new tab and copy the link
[09:56:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> https://firstcommandmwentwiki.miraheze.org/w/img_auth.php/e/eb/Mis-Quote.png
[09:56:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Still not static
[09:56:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> yeah bc its a private wiki
[09:56:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Oh
[09:56:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Oh I see
[09:56:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> thats what it looks like for private, functions the same as static
[09:58:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to canyada> Still not a static image when I make the wiki public
[09:59:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> cache, but also when u make it public the img_auth.php version of the link works too i think......? (someone who knows more abt this pls correct me)
[10:01:51] <BlankEclair>	 yeah p sure img_auth.php always works if it's public
[10:03:10] <BlankEclair>	 https://rainverse.wiki/w/img_auth.php/a/a3/Rain_birthday_cake.png
[10:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to canyada> No I think what I'm doing requires a static image
[10:10:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> what are u doing
[10:11:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> are you working w/ css?
[10:11:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> because that and wiki settings are the only thing you'd need static image
[10:12:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Yeah thats why I'm just asking how to get the static version of the image
[10:13:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> yeah the img_auth.php one is the exact same thing as the static link just for private wikis
[10:13:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> bc it has to img auth so that only ppl who are allowed can see the image
[10:13:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> private wikis are build different
[10:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> I thought I set it to public
[10:13:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> check the core settings
[10:13:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> the img auth link while the wiki is public functions as a static link
[10:14:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285544466811457567/Screenshot_20240917_171436_Chrome.jpg?ex=66eaa815&is=66e95695&hm=311dc09aa7c9318be3764b974a17d19d6c1c30b0c11d15e013a126a51ca2506b&
[10:15:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to tempette> what are you doing exactly
[10:16:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [1/2] did u try using the img auth url and it didnt work
[10:16:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [2/2] if ur working w a border image far bigger possibility for something not working is u messed up the border image syntax
[10:16:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> I got the "quote" template from the pizza tower wiki and I'm trying to replace the box
[10:16:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> please don't tell me you are copying pizza tower wiki css
[10:16:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> LOL
[10:16:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> LOL
[10:16:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Maybe rather then laughing, help? 💀
[10:17:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I worked on it
[10:17:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> well im telling u ur problem isnt with the image link, the image link works perfectly fine
[10:17:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's scary lol
[10:17:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> most likely code error
[10:17:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> It says the image link is bad
[10:17:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Or something
[10:17:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> One s3c
[10:17:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Sec
[10:18:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285545388832456775/image0.jpg?ex=66eaa8f0&is=66e95770&hm=54bbac372ca175a7367a100f807d12e22eeb55522c27b50d02d5e4b791628a6c&
[10:20:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Hello?
[10:20:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you forgot `"..."`
[10:21:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> ?
[10:21:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> also I'm at work lol
[10:21:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Oh sorry
[10:21:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Where do I put it?
[10:21:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> url("link here")
[10:24:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to canyada> Wuh?
[10:25:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> quotation marks around the link part, like `url("https://......")`
[10:25:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Ooooh
[10:25:36] <BlankEclair>	 > [17/09/2024 20:11] <MirahezeRelay> <theoneandonlylegroom> because that and wiki settings are the only thing you'd need static image
[10:25:45] <BlankEclair>	 honestly, the "must be static" thing is a bit of an oversimplification
[10:25:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> ive never had it get mad at me for not having quotation marks, is this templatestyles?
[10:26:11] <BlankEclair>	 good enough for 90% of cases, but if you really want the proper answer: the values should be a url that is allowed by csp
[10:26:19] <BlankEclair>	 so yes, even a cdn.discordapp.com url works
[10:26:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> (for a week lmao)
[10:26:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285547423262834779/Screenshot_20240917_172615_Chrome.jpg?ex=66eaaad6&is=66e95956&hm=8c78e8ef14edc2b809fd43c030c19bcf25a3ab9b3bd9d8904d2886d4503e468e&
[10:26:38] <BlankEclair>	 but it does work
[10:27:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> does templatestyles get mad at url()......?
[10:27:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> worst case just put it in common.css
[10:27:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> That would be weird
[10:27:33] <BlankEclair>	 it checks the url
[10:27:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> I don't remember TS bring salty about that
[10:27:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> *being
[10:28:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> maybe enable TS extender just in case
[10:28:12] <BlankEclair>	 https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/915c9873b6faf6f6c1d5bd89c48fd216012262af/LocalSettings.php#L5564-L5568
[10:28:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to BlankEclair> Whats this
[10:28:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Alr
[10:28:42] <BlankEclair>	 the regex for allowed urls in templatestyles
[10:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> templatestyles checks if the url is static.miraheze specifically apparently
[10:29:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> what a hardass
[10:29:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Nope, still nothing
[10:30:14] <BlankEclair>	 perhaps we could add a <(?:https:)?//${HOSTNAME_BUT_ESCAPED_DOTS}/w/img_auth\.php/> exception
[10:30:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [1/2] https://static.miraheze.org/firstcommandmwentwikiwiki/e/eb/Mis-Quote.png
[10:30:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> [2/2] well heres ur static url
[10:30:23] <BlankEclair>	 (oops, forgot leading ^)
[10:31:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to BlankEclair> I'm not sure how to use it
[10:31:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette, replying to canyada> Oh ty!
[10:31:44] <BlankEclair>	 tempette: ah, i'm just thinking on how to allow img_auth.php urls in templatestyles
[10:31:56] <BlankEclair>	 this will require a server-side change, but for now the static url should get the job done
[10:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Eclair is just thinking out loud
[10:34:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not every part of the convo might be applicable to your question
[10:34:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> Oh
[10:35:38] <BlankEclair>	 yeah pretty much ^^;
[10:36:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [1/2] OKAY ITS WORKING!!!! TYSM
[10:36:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285549985047384135/Screenshot_20240917_173632_Chrome.jpg?ex=66eaad38&is=66e95bb8&hm=b07991a4a3df64da71f5614a65fd6f18ad6c12f470e9cfe5c5c4195982c0d83d&
[11:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruckerenum> [1/2] Having some issues getting the domain request to take my request. Could someone explain what I'm doing wrong here?
[11:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruckerenum> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285564843251859518/Screenshot_20240917_073452_Firefox.jpg?ex=66eabb0f&is=66e9698f&hm=4c1b0ee6903860f45456ab5b173f3c3684c2bcd938aee9a88cf3990c9088b4d8&
[11:36:28] <BlankEclair>	 ruckerenum: i'm assuming your wiki is lovebullet.miraheze.org, right?
[11:36:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to ruckerenum> database name should have `wiki` in the end
[11:36:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruckerenum, replying to BlankEclair> Yes
[11:36:43] <BlankEclair>	 it should have "wiki" at the end, so lovebulletwiki
[11:36:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruckerenum> Oh ok
[11:37:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruckerenum> Thanks BlankEclair @theoneandonlylegroom
[11:37:07] <BlankEclair>	 you're welcome ^_^
[11:37:14] <BlankEclair>	 (database names are a bit of a leaky abstraction, but it is what it is)
[12:31:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <its_gerryz> Wikipedia has a Template:Ambox. I would like to be able to use these in my wiki. What do i need to do exactly?
[12:32:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to its_gerryz> Don’t import directly from [[Wikipedia]], see if [[dev:]] has an mbox version
[12:32:26] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:
[12:32:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Wikipedia>
[12:32:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[12:36:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <its_gerryz, replying to pixldev> Now i have something to work with, thanks! 😄
[12:37:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> almost any template on wikipedia can be simplified
[12:37:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> wikipedia is too huge and varied, so they need very complex templates
[12:38:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> thus we advice to not look at them too much
[12:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Fandom's templates are simpler
[12:42:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <its_gerryz> Nontheless i had absolutely no idea how to proceed with this at all, and i was searching for a long time and.... well now that the other link was thrown i did it in 5 fucking minutes.
[12:43:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <its_gerryz> Althought it doesnt look like a box for some reason xD
[12:45:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to its_gerryz> You may need to import the css as well
[12:45:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <its_gerryz> How do i do that?
[13:00:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <its_gerryz> (Found out, and it works!!!)
[13:46:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to notaracham> Is it true that WMF stewards are forced into their positions? /s
[13:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to felenov> Shhhhh
[13:52:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to randomizedkirbytree47> :DoneMH: Done :)
[13:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to pixldev> [1/2] oh yea did I tell you about the keyboard I use for editing miraheze meta
[13:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to pixldev> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285600090009894943/P_20230316_144727.png?ex=66eadbe2&is=66e98a62&hm=15302fddc7652a44866482ce0fa11a6b5adc4aced2e976b69f50a6524552b22a&
[13:58:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to felenov> Why
[13:59:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> [1/2] how do you send a link of Special:ExpandTemplate with pre-inputted wikitext? so i can just easily share it here
[13:59:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ruby.raven> [2/2] i'm trying to divide some column %s but i...am stumped
[14:02:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai, replying to notaracham> heh yes, I remember pushing you towards stewardship but you didn't want to accept \:P
[14:04:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to agentisai> Got it, a steward is elected by consensus and violently forced into submission
[14:05:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> sort of how Speakers of the House of Commons were in the middle ages, yes
[14:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov> Being in the house of commons is mandatory, since MP's did not want to travel (we did not have motor vehicles and railways back then)
[15:07:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to felenov> They still drag the speaker to the chair now. It's ceremonial though now.
[15:28:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to rhinosf1> UK parliament is something I find beyond amusing, especially the Denis Skinner and John Bercow moments
[15:28:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to felenov> It can be amusing
[15:30:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to rhinosf1> remember when Betty Boothroyd scolded a MP for stuttering too much
[15:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to felenov> Not sure I've seen that one
[15:32:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <felenov, replying to rhinosf1> https://youtu.be/QMkgw-WYrVg?feature=shared&t=7
[15:32:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Will look in a bit
[15:32:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> On the train
[15:54:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [1/2] Idk where is the background, it's just orange
[15:54:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285629935725314099/Screenshot_20240917_225334_Chrome.jpg?ex=66eaf7ae&is=66e9a62e&hm=6b688faa38710b1f86c68a05be4933461edbf4a905fbbf94ba2413ca836f52a6&
[15:54:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tempette> It's supposed to have a background imags
[15:54:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @CSS/JS Support Volunteers ^
[16:17:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> Are there any good video guides available on how to make ur wiki look better?
[16:20:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> video guides are usually at YouTube. You can try searching for some
[16:24:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to emel07> what skin are you using?
[16:25:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> you can send a link if you #verify
[16:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to avengium> [1/2] Already did and found absolutely nothing helpful about miraheze 😂 
[16:26:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to avengium> [2/2] Looks like a neeche
[16:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to groupnebula563_0765> [1/3] Standard? 
[16:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to groupnebula563_0765> [2/3] Idk skins have been way over my head 
[16:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to groupnebula563_0765> [3/3] I tried to find some but didnt find them either ._.
[16:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> mediawiki coding and stuff is a rather niche thing
[16:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there are plenty of text guides
[16:28:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> since like, the whole thing is textual
[16:29:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> half of the time you can learn by looking at other wikis
[16:30:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Should I be having to re-login on every wiki now (after signing into meta)?
[16:30:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> [1/2] where you tried to find?
[16:30:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> [2/2] check what's available on Miraheze itself, in extensions admin menu
[16:30:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum., replying to frozenplum.> I.e., Was that an intentional change?
[16:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to frozenplum.> it happens if you visit new wiki, since your account isn't attached to user table yet
[16:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] I tried clicking through the skin menus 
[16:31:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] But got completely lost ._.
[16:31:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Huh, I seem to recall long ago that it auto-added you when you visited their wiki.
[16:31:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gotta login over there and next visit you won't log out
[16:31:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Oh, I'm having to log in every time regardless.
[16:31:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to frozenplum.> yeah there was some change but also central auth getting worse at its job
[16:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Ah, yeah, seems to not be working as intended rn. Yesterday I logged into meta, told it to remember me, visited a new site, logged in there, told it to remember me. Today I log into meta, and it's asking me to log into wikis again that I've already logged into before. 🤷‍♀️
[16:33:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Like my credentials never carry over or something.
[16:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> And, on non-english wikis I can't log in at all in FF, only in Chrome.
[16:33:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> [1/4] where exactly you got lost?
[16:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> [2/4] by clicking on skin name you'll get to mediawiki page which has a screenshot of the skin
[16:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> [3/4] for example, you liked Cosmos - in that Skins tab on your wiki check the box for it and save
[16:33:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> [4/4] then, go to Additional settings menu, Styling tab - the first setting is default skin, where you should choose Cosmos and then save
[16:34:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> I thought I had found an old fix for the FF issue, but today it's not working again.
[16:34:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] In that case i was on the wrong site 
[16:34:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] I never saw any screenshots
[16:34:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium, replying to emel07> [1/2] the same mediawiki code and principles are valid for a generic mediawiki wiki and for a Miraheze wiki. Miraheze is just a farm.
[16:34:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium, replying to emel07> [2/2] If you want guides for mediawiki to look better, the things are skins and HTML / CSS
[16:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> [1/2] On non-English wikis, in FF I now just get an endless loop of this:
[16:35:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285640271199207547/Image_1209.jpg?ex=66eb014e&is=66e9afce&hm=123111ee4dc8afa46ffdafd1c5ee6a3f46e5e0c9d26c4e6cecfc502fbd36b2c7&
[16:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Doesn't matter how many times I resubmit
[16:35:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> It's just not logging me into non-English ones in FF, period.
[16:39:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285641336220811387/Screenrecorder-2024-09-17-19-35-56-4070.mp4?ex=66eb024c&is=66e9b0cc&hm=eb0a67aad5a94c6f3d3beb50ab08a8989e88c9d96e8216a2d5342571427c8239&
[16:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not recorded - going to Additional settings part, Styling tab, choosing and saving Cosmos as default skin
[16:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] the thing about Miraheze is that all those extensions are already installed, admins just have to enable or disable what they want
[16:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] mediawiki.org has documentations how extensions work and must be used, you just ignore the installation part
[16:42:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [1/2] softcell wiki skin is called "Timeless". 
[16:42:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [2/2] that one is found on: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless>
[16:42:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> I'm going to assume the login issue on non-English wikis is related to the other issues that these wikis are suffering.
[16:43:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to avengium> note that Timeless is a skin which is hard coded and not visible in extensions menu, it's just already in Styling tab
[16:44:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [1/2] Do you think the login issue is related to "pages appear empty and the history page is not updated"  are related?
[16:44:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [2/2] Then, i think that's more important then. WakiWaki already put that issue in importance high
[16:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> No idea. Hopefully the login issue gets resolved when the other stuff does. 🤷‍♀️
[16:45:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> I hate chrome but I can wait, lol.
[16:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum., replying to emel07> I wouldn't give up too soon. Yes it's niche, and there's a lot to learn as Legroom said, but it can be incredibly rewarding if you take the time to learn it.
[16:47:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <frozenplum.> Fun, too!
[16:48:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to frozenplum.> Thanks for the encouragement:)
[16:49:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [1/3] @emel07  , you can find skin selection for Miraheze on:  `Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-skins`
[16:49:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [2/3] for example on yourcreatures wiki is on:
[16:49:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [3/3] <https://yourcreatures.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-skins>
[16:49:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> And how did u got to that page from the main wiki page? ._.
[16:49:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> admin sidebar?
[16:49:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Consider me a idiot
[16:49:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> are you on phone perhaps? because default mobile skin is hiding that sidebar
[16:50:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> No im just a complete newby
[16:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> just paste: `Special:ManageWiki/extensions#mw-section-skins`  as the title of the page in your URL if you don't see the button, and you go to that page from everywhere
[16:51:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> is there a hamburger button in the left top corner flr you?
[16:52:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yes
[16:52:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> The honeycomb thing
[16:52:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> I wouldn’t call it a hamburger
[16:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's the 3 horizontal lines thingy
[16:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> or it's just left sidebar for you right now?
[16:54:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> This > ≡
[16:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/2] Will be right with u 
[16:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/2] My pc just gave up 😂
[16:54:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and I'm on phone lol
[16:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/2] found the burger
[16:56:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285645525781184619/image.png?ex=66eb0633&is=66e9b4b3&hm=7aefcb0cb5ef35d17694c0bc5ae99e0765f4baa6ace9402e78ff12ad8b1855e2&
[16:57:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> it takes me to the watchlist?
[16:59:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> @theoneandonlylegroom
[17:00:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> That Burger ≡, when on Phone, goes to the sidebar
[17:00:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Ah
[17:00:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> What u want is under Tools
[17:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> damn you vector 2022
[17:00:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, it's on the left side .......
[17:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> when all other skins have that on the left
[17:01:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> is there something newer? or something older thats better?
[17:01:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [1/2] the part related with "Adminsitration" is only visible to people with admin rights. It looks like this.
[17:01:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285646803466846330/image.png?ex=66eb0764&is=66e9b5e4&hm=d618a1056fff9eed1848c01a5079c78643c02833e7957fb2c9139b6bb235aaa0&
[17:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> vector 2022 is the skin you have now, it's current default
[17:02:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> this is the admin menu, what Avengium posted
[17:02:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/2] i was at the wikis core settings page 
[17:02:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/2] and got lost there
[17:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to emel07> you need to go to Extensions first
[17:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there will be skins tab
[17:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> aha
[17:02:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/2] any recommendations 
[17:02:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/2] for a gaming wiki?
[17:04:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/3] I dunno
[17:04:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/3] the most popular skin is legacy Vector, it's straight up in Settings
[17:04:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/3] Cosmos (a la old Wikia) and Timeless (another one right in settings)
[17:04:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> are other popular options
[17:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to emel07> [1/2] I suggest taking a look at other gaming wikis
[17:05:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to emel07> [2/2] As for my two, they're both timeless because it's my favourite skin, and is extremely customisable (though i definitely dont show it to its fullest extent)
[17:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/4] either im blind or i dont have that 
[17:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/4] when i created the wiki there was something about special skins that i have request first 
[17:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [3/4] are these one of those?
[17:06:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285648059656699987/image.png?ex=66eb088f&is=66e9b70f&hm=095c297203dcc6b2d087b7fdd204102ca6a0bae0235fb26c07e48e3ff543f926&
[17:06:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you don't have to request anything
[17:06:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> as I said before
[17:06:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> everything is already here
[17:07:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you just switch on/off what you want
[17:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] if you need examples of skins
[17:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] Rain World Wiki is legacy Vector
[17:07:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> rainworld.miraheze.org
[17:08:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> my wiki, softcell.miraheze.org, is slightly modified Timeless
[17:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to emel07> If u want to change the skin, you do it in Additional Settings
[17:08:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> what I said before
[17:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> mb i didnt saw that
[17:17:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000> [1/2] if you don't want to mess around with WP templates you can always half-ass a wikitable and it'll look sort of okay 👍
[17:17:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285650756824862740/Untitled.png?ex=66eb0b12&is=66e9b992&hm=20cdf01520b4ff8f8e7492c7cce46f865901131afad0c4662197d325dcb6bc36&
[17:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/4] i have no idea what WP means 
[17:29:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/4] but under ur definition i already half-assed my whole wiki 
[17:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [3/4] and i dont mind that xd
[17:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1285653870269304854/image.png?ex=66eb0df8&is=66e9bc78&hm=da0fabcf400014706f21070ed9e7ee086ff65868a3fa6b7cf0c29648fed5dd0b&
[17:31:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> WP = Wikipedia
[17:31:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow> ahh, I thought we were talking Wookipedia ...
[17:31:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] WP is Wikipedia 
[17:31:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] Wikipedia's templates are notoriously complicated
[17:31:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> Im quite happy with my tabels
[17:32:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> v22...
[17:32:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <han.0000> oop yes, I did mean Wikipedia, I've added it in my original message to clarify. I also don't mind half-assed tables, they can also get the job done!
[17:32:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to emel07> Step 1 for a new wiki, is to add the information you need. Step 2 is to make it look pretty.
[17:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [1/2] Its just hard to move things
[17:33:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07> [2/2] Like pictures or tabels around
[17:33:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emel07, replying to platyellow> Agree
[17:33:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> the worst decision the people behind mediawiki made in the last few years is making v22 default
[17:33:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> especially for logged out users
[17:34:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to emel07> w3schools is good for small CSS. So if you want something a little more complex you can always use that when researching
[17:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> WP templates are confusing because they use Lua 5.1 which is almost twenty years old
[17:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to ken.youdigit> yeah I see them moving towards that more recently with flag templates, rather than just have it function on its own.
[17:36:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> i wish they'd use a newer version but like
[17:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> it's sort of how things like hospitals and banks can't update their decade+ old systems
[17:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> you'd have to shut the entire website down for weeks
[17:37:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> and especially if they want to make mediawiki itself not use 5.1, that would break anything using it
[17:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <platyellow, replying to ken.youdigit> I've seen that with message boards, where they switch over to a newer system and lose all the BBcode.
[17:38:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> the least they can do is make v22 opt in again and not default
[17:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> or at least make v22 not fixed width
[17:38:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> unlikely to happen but i can dream
[17:39:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <agentisai> You can disable fixed width though
[17:40:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> yeah i just hate the default way it is
[17:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> biggest gripe is the double sidebars and all of the dropdowns being on the right side as a big list
[17:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> even disabling fixed width isn't enough because they still take up a quarter of the page if i do
[17:41:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah, it lowkey feels like ... fandom desktop ...
[17:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> the reason I decided to try Miraheze is Cosmos lol
[17:42:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> that and i have so much stuff in my dropdowns that them being in the sidebar means i have to scroll. which defeats the purpose of getting rid of the dropdowns
[17:42:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> joined for Cosmos, stayed for Timeless
[17:43:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> i guess it can always be worse (new monobook)
[17:43:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there's new monobook?
[17:44:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> well not new
[17:44:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> it's not really new anymore
[17:44:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah, minerva is universally hated lol
[17:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> it used to be good..
[17:44:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> i am still a vector legacy purist though
[17:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> i wonder which of my gadgets will just natively work on here and which i will have to learn to do without
[18:06:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <avengium> Agree that Minerva is usually hated by everyone. And the Mobile phone extension associated with Minerva skin
[19:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin.> How to I change a image file name
[19:24:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin.> I'm at the file page tbh
[19:24:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> move the file page, no?
[19:25:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin., replying to cosmicvin.> The special file page
[19:25:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin.> For the image
[19:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin., replying to cosmicvin.> To a different name
[19:25:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to cosmicvin.> action is called Move
[19:25:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> to rename
[19:25:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> don't ask why
[19:26:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin., replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Okay thanks
[19:26:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> meanwhile in Russian: Rename
[19:26:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> well its called move and not rename because you're not renaming the page
[19:26:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> you literally move it to the new name
[19:26:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> and it leaves a redirect behind to the new page
[19:26:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin.> Okay
[19:27:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin.> I take the redirects away tho
[19:27:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> you also can
[19:27:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765, replying to emel07> so like vector-2022
[19:27:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> for files there's usually not a reason to leave a redirect
[19:27:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <groupnebula563_0765> ?
[19:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cosmicvin.> Thanks
[20:02:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to emel07> Learn to use basic Mediawiki stuffs, it applies to all wikis using that software including Miraheze
[20:03:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> After you learn how to handle basic Mediawiki, get extensions for your special needs
[20:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> is there a less tedious path than PI when it comes to getting infoboxes that dev/meta doesnt provide
[20:04:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> such as officeholder
[20:05:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If a specific box doesn’t exist you’ll need to define its fields yourself
[20:05:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> In my opinion PI’s builder is the easier
[20:05:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But we also have a base template for infoboxes on dev
[20:05:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> that could help maybe
[20:06:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_officeholder
[20:06:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> this one in particular
[20:06:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[dev:Template:Infobox]] I think
[20:06:26] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/dev:Template:Infobox
[20:06:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox>
[20:06:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> ohhh awesome
[20:06:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <warsforlithium> thank you
[21:00:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp> Can I have some help with something?
[21:01:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ask
[21:01:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I would like to delete a blank page. How can I do that?
[21:02:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> are you an admin? you should have Delete option in page tools/more dropdown
[21:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I'm not
[21:02:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> on that page
[21:02:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp> I can "purge it" bit idk what else
[21:03:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to wyatttfp> [1/2] well, then you can't
[21:03:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to wyatttfp> [2/2] you might ask an admin to do that, or mark it for deletion, if the wiki has a template for that
[21:03:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> How do I ask an admin
[21:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to wyatttfp> click on admin's username and you'll get to their user page, there should be "Talk (page)" tab
[21:04:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's like a subpage for comments
[21:04:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the wiki may have a {{delete}} template, you could put that on the page and preview it to see
[21:04:41] <wm-bot>	 https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:delete 
[21:04:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Delete>
[21:04:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if not then you'll need to reach out
[21:05:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> knowing which wiki it is may help get you a more direct contact
[21:05:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp> Liek an admin of the wiki?
[21:05:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yes
[21:05:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wyatttfp> Oh ok I know a few of those
[23:37:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <princessellierose> [1/2] it seems like I'm not able to remove some user groups that I should be able to, it gives me this error message when I try to remove all of the permissions from the group:
[23:37:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <princessellierose> [2/2] ```The following errors occurred:<br>You cannot create a group without any permissions assigned.```
[23:37:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <princessellierose> and some other user groups just have no permissions assigned and I'm unable to delete those as well
[23:39:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <princessellierose> should I make a phorge task for this since this has always been an issue on my wiki that I know wasn't an issue a while ago
[23:43:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> why does it do <br>
[23:43:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> that's weird
[23:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <princessellierose> yeah it always does that in the error messages for some reason lol
[23:44:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> well it's weird it's even showing line breaks
[23:44:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> but the fact it's doing <br> and not <br />
[23:52:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> <br> is a common invocation, I guess it was assumed to be valid in a scenario where the html was filtered out
[23:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> apparently <br> and <br /> are both valid
[23:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ken.youdigit> more you know
[23:57:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> <br/> is an xhtml/xml thing
[23:58:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> which is obscure enough and a bit of a failed web concept that I see no reason to go on a spree to use it instead of ole <br>