[00:40:34] Just noting the closure of https://publictestwiki.com/wiki/TestWiki:Community_portal#Discord_server, and as such, a discord admin will need to create the channel [00:41:32] well that was shortlived [00:56:16] Hello. I have some problems with the styling of my navboxes that contain subcategories. Here's a test page with an example: https://handhelds.miraheze.org/wiki/Test3 [01:02:18] manster_.: I assume the problem is the table headers being padded to oblivion, right? [01:02:36] that is caused by https://handhelds.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Monobook.css#L-20 [01:05:32] That seemed to fix it, thanks. I am very new to CSS and mediawiki. Probably broke something somewhere with that line removal, but navboxes are more important. Thanks! [01:05:46] yeah probably, and you're welcome ^_^ [01:27:45] [1/2] Hello. How do I apply Timeless as the default global skin? I set it in ManageWiki > Styling > Default Skin but it seems to show a different skin until I click "login" after which it applies Timeless. But if I return to the website in a private window (no cookies, cleared cache) it's back to seemingly not being the Timeless skin [01:27:45] [2/2] Wikis are all very new to me lol [01:28:16] zakko: oh, that's caching [01:28:28] in (hopefully at most) a few days, timeless should work even when logged out [01:28:59] Oh, super. I was hoping it was something like that haha. Thanks [01:32:25] If I were to get a custom subdomain, e.g. wiki.example.org, would it have redundant "wikis" in it? Like so: wiki.example.org/wiki/ Is that a common way to set it up regardless of that potential redundancy? [01:33:25] yeah there'll be a /wiki/ [01:33:34] but you can request that be disabled on Steward requests/Restricted changes [01:33:47] the setting is called "Article path" [01:37:21] Ah yes, I see it. I am struggling to find where you would request that. Perhaps together with the custom domain request? [01:37:38] oh, you request that on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/RC [01:37:47] (that setting is independent of a custom domain btw) [01:38:26] I understand. Thank you for the help ^^ [01:38:37] you're welcome ^_^ [02:02:02] I know this is a super small problem but is there a way to disable the short white flash whenever you play an audio? [02:02:47] close your eyes? [02:02:53] the what? [02:02:53] Sorry 😛 [02:03:50] booo get off the stage [02:03:56] pls 😦 [02:04:09] Why do we say close your eyes though [02:04:13] We dont actually close our eyes [02:04:22] If only it is as shrimple as that... its just I had a user who doesnt like that [02:05:03] You could block them. That would solve the issue [02:05:06] All jokes aside [02:05:06] I assume closing your eyes means closing your eyes, as in the action of momentarily lowering both of ones eyelids to fully obstruct your own vision [02:05:12] What white flash do you mean? [02:05:16] I've never experienced that [02:05:43] Is this from an extension or an audio file [02:05:52] An audio file [02:05:55] cheeky bastard [02:06:02] not technically wrong though /joke [02:06:10] link to the article? [02:06:54] [1/2] Sure thing https://projectremixroblox.miraheze.org/wiki/Voice_Packs [02:06:54] [2/2] Its on some other wikis too [02:07:21] Could just be a browser thing Im not very sure [02:08:04] Yeah seeing it also [02:18:34] [1/2] hm [02:18:34] [2/2] i think that may be it loading the file likel [02:18:37] [1/2] side note [02:18:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286874194184900659/zn768w2.png?ex=66ef7e7c&is=66ee2cfc&hm=033f0c3aa392da2c5118065887ff48be497e68df428fac9d70015d865a4c1066& [02:18:42] Shhh [02:18:57] [1/4] found the thing that causes the white flash [02:18:58] [2/4] ```.mw-tmh-player-interstitial { [02:18:58] [3/4] background:unset; [02:18:58] [4/4] }``` [02:19:55] THANK YOU!! [02:20:09] average canada SW [04:04:16] gosh I never noticed that white flash and now that I see it I can't unsee it [04:06:34] unless I'm just seeing something else related to timedmediahandler loading weirdly [04:35:10] Holy shit canada out here solving multi-year mysteries [05:28:22] I gotta request myself a Miraheze cloak on Libera [05:37:00] Felenov: what is your username on-wiki? [05:37:13] Felenov [05:37:46] On meta: [[User:Felenov]] [05:37:46] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Felenov [05:37:53] Its been so long since I have done a cloak request lol. I'll do it in a second. [05:38:41] Appreciate it [05:39:00] Oh do you want WikiTide/ or miraheze/? We have both of them. [05:40:14] Felenov: ^ [05:41:28] That's a good question. [05:41:52] CosmicAlpha: I would take Miraheze [05:42:05] Will do [05:42:12] thx [05:43:40] No problem [05:57:45] Got it, thanks [06:06:04] No problem [06:07:14] Why the hell does Mirahezelook like this my friend who owns this wiki hates this new look! [06:07:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286931752803110934/Screenshot-5.png?ex=66efb417&is=66ee6297&hm=4a48358fb7890e592622aae73d83555561e181b1ddae2fce5c60e2e397a20dca& [06:08:03] He has Monobook sleetced this keeps coming back from time to time he gets annoyed [06:08:12] What wiki [06:08:50] YOU already see the Screenshot dude you have eyes [06:09:06] Just click the image. [06:09:12] Sorry the screenshot wasn't loading from me [06:09:17] I see it now. [06:09:18] Oh [06:09:25] I will look in a minute [06:09:29] Sorry about that [06:13:44] thefrienddude: a user force their own skin on a wiki in user settings, that will change only what that user sees, wiki crats can set the default skin in [[Special:ManageWiki]] [06:13:44] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki [06:14:33] Why is Mievna being pushed out on Monobook users? [06:17:46] Do you mean Vector 2022? [06:17:56] No [06:18:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286934447551152151/Screenshot-5.png?ex=66efb69a&is=66ee651a&hm=720816529e413f46a82bafa7d69eefd8d75e84db3031f26a70bbabbe8b88d3cb& [06:18:20] He is using Monobook and it says switch back to old look [06:20:19] [1/3] this is not Monobook [06:20:19] [2/3] this Vector 2022, it suggests to switch to legacy Vector [06:20:20] [3/3] also no need to be rude [06:20:51] maybe your friend haven't saved changes in user preferences [06:21:16] They did they have been using Monobook since 2023 [06:21:20] that or the CTRL+F5 treatment is required [06:21:28] ^ [06:21:35] Every now and than in 2024 it will appaer just like that [06:22:17] It seems back to normal now but... it happned twice [06:22:17] Does it have to be re-set manually or it switches back without intervention? [06:22:19] what is wiki's default skin? [06:22:45] He set it to Monobook with the defult skin [06:22:55] to look kinda like Bulpbodia [06:23:04] Bulbapedia [06:23:15] I'm asking what is set as default skin in wiki's setting, not what he's using [06:23:20] are you an admin? [06:23:39] No he is just chating with me [06:23:50] and sharing screnshotys [06:23:59] lol [06:24:09] that screenshot is from him [06:24:12] Is it possible to get this individual in here or the discord? [06:24:35] that's deaf telephone shit, if he's admin and needs help he better communicate by himself [06:24:39] Maybe but he doesn't use Disord [06:24:45] there's IRC [06:24:52] Felenov is talking from it [06:24:52] Homie, we got IRC [06:25:14] What are you suing? [06:25:15] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286936264167260170/Screenshot_2024-09-21_072428.png?ex=66efb84b&is=66ee66cb&hm=138da57dea7fabde47aa8e156132c772d255c85a26c28f65c8feba4dea470db5& [06:25:45] hm? [06:25:45] Yeah that is his site it seems to be fine now [06:25:56] Channels can be connected to directly from the [[IRC]] page (click the green) [06:25:56] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC [06:26:06] [[IRC]] [06:26:06] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/IRC [06:26:07]

[06:26:40] I keep forgetting the wiki bot ignores the IRC bridge, which is a shame. [06:28:36] I see [06:28:45] theoneandonlylegroom: btw, wiki in question has two edits on the feed [06:29:02] wdym [06:29:41] My wiki is broken [06:29:42] [1/2] 2 mentions * [06:29:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286937380871475210/9f4b6043cb28e249.png?ex=66efb955&is=66ee67d5&hm=0c3be14c615cfd51cba32779d780fae290aaf280d7188e20ab50f3a708226c8c& [06:29:52] @theoneandonlylegroom [06:30:09] Define "broken" [06:30:14] ... why pinging me especially? [06:30:28] https://wiki.giantesselsie.net/wiki/Main_Page [06:30:30] I don't even have support role lol [06:30:58] Okay it looks alright [06:31:02] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286937716201881601/Ubuntu-aand-the-wiki.png?ex=66efb9a5&is=66ee6825&hm=09c22b8d80ab0692959f316ac6fb7b07bfa7702fd64f28ee29ff1f6c9d4fd456& [06:31:03] If you act like you know what you are doing people assume you just belong here [06:31:27] What? [06:31:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286937888667336714/Screenshot_416.png?ex=66efb9ce&is=66ee684e&hm=cc5ca0172b0974a307dcb89fa343c8530b6c8e062bd790dc018c1a9fa14fca2a& [06:32:08] I used um what is that skin's nam [06:32:27] [1/3] apart from 0 articles looks alright to me? [06:32:28] [2/3] I assume cache issue or #minor-announcements [06:32:28] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286938076358115349/IMG_20240921_093147.jpg?ex=66efb9fb&is=66ee687b&hm=69d4f86b62bc92dc92be84fa13259a8875776f0f8d3dbfd87c3d2c070c464bc0& [06:32:51] Cosmos [06:33:12] ye Cosmos that is not Cosmos [06:33:18] that is the old skin [06:33:20] try Ctrl+F5, clean up browser cache cookies [06:33:22] I think I fixed something. Let me know if it happens again. [06:33:33] CTRL+F5, check user settings maybe you have a local override [06:33:42] Yuck my friend hates that theme [06:33:42] global or per wiki? [06:33:46] global [06:34:07] @thefrienddude did i ask for your opinion [06:34:11] @giantesselsie please refresh the page/drop cache w/ Ctrl+F5 [06:34:17] Reseting his browser helped [06:34:19] it works [06:34:23] good [06:34:30] I accidentally had cache inverted so it was only regenerating when we didn't want it to and not when we did. [06:34:37] No wait closing the browser and reopening it helped [06:34:48] same things lol [06:35:00] Sometimes the page would look like a PURE HTML page [06:35:10] @thefrienddude i dont want a fight but it is my wiki i dont say what skin u use even if i like it or not [06:35:22] that's usually connection issue [06:35:23] [1/2] Monobook my beloved [06:35:23] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286938813607837706/6076fcb89e094d13.png?ex=66efbaab&is=66ee692b&hm=bb8429c93c3b0b267562602f1bb396c294f58157657dcb049e868d4f41a4e5ba& [06:35:39] how about we drop this whole matter? [06:35:45] okay [06:35:55] please do yes [06:36:08] thanks [06:36:09] but still it is not kind to say he hates the skin we didnt want to know that [06:36:20] There is enough drama in here already. [06:36:32] how about you both stop please then [06:36:37] okay [06:36:44] thanks for the issue [06:36:59] but why did it do it [06:37:27] Was caused by https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1260019919643344897/1286919855634911244 [06:37:58] so it was not my browser [06:38:29] No, your browser probably cached the broken page, so was probably a mixture of our issue and yours. [06:38:59] ok [06:39:22] Again, if it happens in the future, CTRL+F5 will likely cure it [06:40:11] Indeed [06:41:40] MediaWiki, Cloudflare, browser cache. Each one is a black box that will implode on itself when given the first chance to do so, with all three involved such an event is 3X more likely [06:42:57] Please ping me if anyone encounters things like ManageWiki settings not updating when changed or wikis showing Wiki Not Found when they shouldn't be etc... [06:44:02] My rewrite of cache changed the way the cache has been done for years, it provided a massive performance boost, but it means we have to start over in catching potential bugs this time. Hopefully I wrote it better this time though. [06:44:22] That is right Monobook is the best its very usef friendly and the screen eslate gets properly used on ens with a wider displays [06:45:55] I just built the muscle memory with it, I have a extension on Firefox that is capable of modifying URLs on WMF domains to force monobook as the skin among other things. [06:46:13] Cool [06:47:45] Pro gamer tip: you can add the ?useskin= parameter at the end of a URL to get MediaWiki to serve a page with that skin. Example: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=monobook (default skin is Vector 2022) [06:49:20] I love the Unity Desktop Enviromnet on Linux it just looks so nice it reminds me of Windows 7 it feels like a cross between Mac OS X and Windows 7 [06:49:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1286942345278918707/Windows.png?ex=66efbdf5&is=66ee6c75&hm=0227760d6bed1a35b22f3af83e7b9e6e5838ffd9289417a37a03e0b9c3fc0486& [06:50:24] Also Windows 7 is at 75% right now on his vistors list why is't Wikitide a year why does it only hold the data for 1 month....? That is what my friend wants to know [08:08:20] is it possible to automate the leaving of new messages on message walls via a bot, `subst`ing one template for logged in users and another for IPs? [08:08:44] or perhaps not even a bot but just like some sorta system thing or extension or whatever [08:15:21] isn't there message page for that? it's always was a thing on wikia [08:15:30] mw message I mean [08:16:48] nvm [08:17:05] [1/2] it's an extension, we have it [08:17:05] [2/2] [[mw:Extension:NewUserMessage]] [08:17:05] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NewUserMessage [08:17:06]

[08:32:29] ah [08:32:32] awesome [08:34:39] the problem being [08:34:57] I don’t appear to be able to change $wgNewUserMessageOnAutoCreate which means it won’t work for most new users [08:36:59] that extension also just seems way too complex for my needs [08:37:51] I just wanna subst a thing with specific parameters if it’s a user and subst a different thing with other parameters if it’s an IP [08:42:31] alternatively [08:43:07] I remember now that welcome would appear after an edit [08:43:09] getting notifications via wikibot when a new user is made (via CA or otherwise) would be fine and then I could welcome them myself [08:43:14] hmm [08:43:32] which is actually what I kinda wanna do anyways [08:44:50] I also think that perhaps making a default user page (once socialprofile 2.0 is finished) on login would be nice as well [08:45:13] ofc not right now though [08:46:00] SP 2.0, how you entice me with your promise of half decent decent social profiles [08:46:06] wait, you want welcome message on any new user attached/created? [08:46:10] I'm confused [08:46:24] because Ro's wiki does that [08:46:27] at this point I just wanna do the welcoming myself [08:46:41] I got a welcome message once I logged in there [08:46:48]