[02:51:16] Disappointed that the wiki content for the public domain wiki is under CC-BY-SA and not CC0. [03:12:55] that's funnily ironic [06:55:03] I am tempted to just go in and fix the template myself [08:59:52] Why my ips get banned (it said for the protection or...) ? [09:12:06] using VPN or proxy? [09:12:21] Not that one [09:12:42] blocking ip range 14.185.128.0/20 [09:12:47] what's the reason then? [09:12:48] Is what it said [09:12:53] don't show your IP [09:13:04] That is not my ip [09:13:11] My ip is in that range [09:13:16] :StrideDeadInside: [09:13:29] well, range blocks usually happens because of very persistent vandals [09:13:38] or VPN/rpoxy [09:14:21] gotta email `stewards@miraheze.org` w/ that problem, screenshot of block/IP [09:14:48] Trust and safety enforcement it said [09:14:59] Alr [09:16:26] Just don't know why it get blocked globally [09:49:41] [1/3] funny [09:49:42] [2/3] user talk archive created w/ a single message from a steward [09:49:42] [3/3] a link from the test wiki essentially lends to an empty talk page w/ archive link [11:18:42] [1/4] This is probably a dumb question, but it's about category browsing, on pages and it is something that has been annoying me over time, and I basically think it should now be fixed. I think I must have enabled an option accidentally in the past, but now every time I visit the page it shows noneindexed pages, indexed pages, or templates and a whole bunch of other things in the brows [11:18:42] [2/4] e category, but I just want it to show what I put there, nothing more. [11:18:43] [3/4] So is this something I need to disable in namespaces or somewhere else? [11:18:43] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288459663372980284/image.png?ex=66f54312&is=66f3f192&hm=9c9b9e34c05a755f70352fdab94f1243e09d8f5fe6693cf3780d62aea7083b87& [11:23:31] [1/3] categories are mostly manually managed [11:23:31] [2/3] if you put some category into Browse category, then remove it? [11:23:32] [3/3] if a category was added by a template, edit that template, in that case it usually should be `[[Category:Templates]]/noinclude`, for example [11:23:32] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Templates [11:24:11] that way the Template page stays in Category:Templates, but the pages which use that template don't [11:25:19] there's a gadget (script) which makes category management easier, it's called HotCat [11:25:46] but I always forgot how to add gadgets lol [11:26:13] so I basically have to include the option for indexed pages and not indexed pages as well that's going to be some work. [11:26:39] ? [11:26:49] As in indexed pages, what do you mean? [11:27:24] iirc those are usually hidden categories [11:27:36] there's user setting to see hidden categories [11:27:37] There are pages basically that I decided not to index because they are test pages [11:27:42] maybe you switched that [11:28:29] if "indexed" and "not indexed" categories are added by a template, then yes, you should add `` in that template's code [11:28:53] As in SEO indexing? [11:29:15] I think magic words add these categories [11:29:26] Yeah pretty much [11:29:36] `INDEX` and `NOINDEX` [11:29:37] Could you link the wiki this is occurring on? [11:30:28] is this what are you doing @sleepytail ? [11:30:44] But they are not showing up on Google so that's not the problem it's mainly categories [11:30:52] yep [11:31:06] I know [11:31:15] tbh google doesn't really care [11:31:41] Knowing and seeing what you’re talking about could help us figure out a solution faster [11:32:10] he just confirmed [11:32:51] Generally, I tend to be the type to basically keep working on it until I finally figure it out. [11:34:00] [1/3] @sleepytail here's the hidden category settings, it's in Appearance tab of user preferences [11:34:00] [2/3] check if it's active for you [11:34:00] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288463511701291040/IMG_20240925_143312.jpg?ex=66f546a7&is=66f3f527&hm=2b32aaee9fbc4f6e5e1b7a8a11a7d298bb142311179c3c53b55746cfde072910& [11:34:14] Ah [11:34:21] oh [11:35:54] those magic words always gonna add these categories, but users by default shouldn't see them [11:36:17] personally, as an admin, I prefer to see them [11:38:16] [1/2] nope [11:38:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288464588207165503/image.png?ex=66f547a8&is=66f3f628&hm=d68ac4713aca0d43287e8527fbd4121292917ccd789c6741a9c0c958c9791298& [11:49:35] [1/2] ok, I might misremembered [11:49:35] [2/2] can you check Indexed category source code and see if it has `HIDDEN` [12:40:23] [1/3] Miraheze is being... really funky rn, at least on my end [12:40:23] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288480218859966464/image.png?ex=66f55636&is=66f404b6&hm=b6aa60ad2a12ad4adf4197dacd66f0ad7e1a5c76a0a9be5013b9da34860690eb& [12:40:24] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288480219166019726/image.png?ex=66f55637&is=66f404b7&hm=794023e56e7d36acecac61a659e363403c7ed702fd813c36359bf898fc5d689f& [12:40:41] same here [12:41:00] Sometimes my wiki actually loads for once, but not correctly, other times it just leads to an error [12:41:01] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288480379455537156/image0.jpg?ex=66f5565d&is=66f404dd&hm=8e65727899a58733132d8260658f8ca29f9bbf8ebc4a833fa0f88d633d62114c& [12:41:25] Yeah, I'm getting the same issue. This isn't anything new. [12:41:26] oops he did it again [12:43:21] I was testing that option in category but well the whole site just nuked itself [12:44:11] well fuck [12:44:49] 😄 [12:45:47] yes, that kind of blew up my meta expedition this morning [12:45:49] oh well [12:45:57] do admin know this issue? [12:46:07] tech is aware [12:46:11] the "Something went wrong" message happened here too [12:46:17] gotta ping them all /j [12:46:18] good 👍 [12:47:06] Hello does anyone know some places were I can host my wiki? Free [12:47:18] besides miraheze? [12:47:34] Yes [12:47:36] I list a few on a guide that probably won't run right now on meta [12:48:13] it's time to play with my ol' firend obsidian [12:49:04] [1/2] but yeah I got a list in the first sentence [12:49:04] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Raidarr/Cross-service_wiki_migrations [12:49:09] the rest is irrelevant [12:49:51] oh it works again [12:50:21] So places to host for free? [12:54:40] full hosting for free generally won't work out, there are excellent options if you don't want to pay much; after miraheze options for free wiki farms are very limited [12:55:18] Who else offers free hosting? [12:55:33] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288484035881861130/Screenshot_20240925_215500_Chrome.jpg?ex=66f559c5&is=66f40845&hm=a50e31d33e5c24724de03685a8d7c7b3aa7b7f72fd2200a86a8b3a2cdb19694b& [12:55:41] yeeeeeeah [12:56:14] I guess amazon does free stuff [12:56:25] without engaging with the details I can't say much [12:56:53] if you want to host seriously then it's going to take more than 'where free' [12:58:00] Is it against Miraheze’s policy to link discord invite links to servers that are related to the scope of my wiki? [12:59:01] no, not necessarily [12:59:13] unless you mean in #server-invites which is more restrictive [12:59:23] No Access on my end [13:00:47] limited to #verify [13:01:42] when verified and looking at that channel, invites should only pertain directly to a wiki's community [15:09:10] gtech6: we have #server-invites which is where wiki communities have their maintainer discords (i.e. the discord that is directly related to maintaining said wiki) but there should be nothing wrong with putting an invite link on your wiki, as long as the [[Content Policy]] is followed [15:09:10] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy [15:13:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288518832218181733/image.png?ex=66f57a2d&is=66f428ad&hm=3552cf012f0f05c095e0178605c0d21f38d26a265e791927d4ea34c9f881cf7f& [15:16:13] What does the test say? [15:23:21] pixldev: [OCR -> GTranslate -> en_us] internal error [6e32d36e91636de749f57e33] 2024-09-25 15:12:54: ERROR Fatal exception TypeError [15:27:16] Ah.. Perhaps the permissions are broken now? [15:27:24] this appears to be global [15:27:29] I’ll try on beta [15:27:31] I just encountered it on two wikis [15:27:54] okay [15:27:55] Huh [15:28:01] Is https://test.mirabeta.org blank for anyone else [15:28:25] confirming blank page [15:29:59] I forgot perms on beta are fucked for crate [15:30:07] PTW then [15:30:49] Huh [15:31:05] Okay maybe PTW don’t give crate perm perms [15:54:10] @pixldev test.mirabeta.org is fixed now - GrowthExperiments was missing a required extension, so disabled for now [15:54:40] What that do again [15:55:20] Is that the one that adds like mentors [15:55:47] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GrowthExperiments [15:56:08] Yup [15:56:23] Was wondering what extension added that lmao [15:56:27] Whats the requirement [15:59:32] How well did it work [15:59:47] Seems useful for the big wikis but pretty hardcoded for Wikimedia [16:01:59] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12644 [16:02:17] the dependency is new as of MW 1.43 [16:02:33] Permissions are not currently working. [[phorge:T12645]] [16:02:33] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/phorge:T12645 [16:02:34]

[16:02:53] Not as much as I thought [16:03:20] But we don’t have a public page views api so [16:05:19] 𝗜'𝗹𝗹 𝗵𝗲𝗹𝗽 𝟭𝟬𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻 $250k 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝘄𝗲𝗲𝗸 𝗯𝘂𝘁 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝘄𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗮𝘆 𝗺𝗲 𝟭𝟬% 𝗼𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗿𝗲𝗰𝗲𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗶𝘁. 𝗡𝗼𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗼 [16:05:40] Discord Moderators: ^ [16:06:37] wiped [17:37:46] Hello, is ManageWiki open-source and portable? I want to use it on my wiki hosted somewhere else. [17:42:26] It is but it is extremely hard to set up and maintain so I would not recommend subjecting yourself to that torture [17:42:55] the effort of setting it up probably exceeds handwriting what it does into your localsettings.php, tbh [17:44:03] Like for example it requires heavy manipulation of the source code? [17:44:30] Just working on this file seems acceptable for me [17:46:36] does anyone know the approximate time for a wiki creation request to go through [17:46:40] And also, may I get the code repo for it? [17:50:15] a day or two, nowadays there are more requests than ever before [17:50:33] It goes beyond that and troubleshooting it is very hard [17:50:58] Very few farms have set up ManageWiki and of those who have, it's because they're Miraheze-affiliated [17:51:23] I want to add this to my wiki for easy management [17:51:43] Because there seems to be no management interfaces like that found in regular MediaWiki [17:51:53] man, how many wikis you aim to have? [17:51:57] you can try it but I guarantee you that you'll give up in stress [17:52:13] It also requires you set up CreateWiki which is even harder to set up properly [17:52:40] I'm not going to using it for managing a number of wikis but wanting the easy manageability functonalities [17:53:20] Sounds like a heavy sophisticated hierarchy [17:53:22] it's not worth it then [17:54:03] But also, I wanted to get back the feeling of Miraheze while I was using it dated back months ago [17:54:41] two days until pens become real [17:54:48] Can you give me the source code repo for ManageWiki? [18:01:08] https://github.com/miraheze/ManageWiki [18:01:11] Knock yourself out [18:01:20] Thank you bro [18:03:09] @jaiden3763 ^ [18:03:23] Good luck [18:03:36] There are guides on wiki by collie OA and Waki [18:04:02] Can you give me links? [18:07:14] Thanks a lot! [18:08:49] two and a half days until pens will be real [18:37:37] [1/3] Okay, coming back to this, I'm still somewhat clueless, but I realize that it’s not just generating indexed and non-indexed pages in the category. It’s also generating pages with templates, tabbers and so on. There must be an option enabling this feature since it's visible both for anonymous users and logged-in accounts. So, it seems like a globa [18:37:37] [2/3] l setting, not just a local one [18:37:37] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1288570118347030610/image.png?ex=66f5a9f0&is=66f45870&hm=3d9dc06423540560965e313226ce8d971a4faf8c9a30c1c8880262e476abc933& [18:38:21] look, the hidden category things works if you'll add to category page `HIDDEN` [18:38:46] as for templates, I need to see the page, I suspect it's the case w/ lack of `` [18:39:56] After reading throughout the memos, it looks like the two components exist in the form of extentions, and it requires further configuration on LocalSettings.php [18:40:51] So these are some kind of works on top of the core MediaWiki software which modifies only the logic while not touching the core design concept, so it's of worth a try! [18:40:55] Ok I'm about to do this to 50 templates that's gonna take some doing [18:41:26] you can try w/ awb maybe [18:41:33] would be a bit quicker [18:52:44] wondering if maybe volunteers should be able to comment on requests [18:53:27] well, there is this https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_permissions [18:53:43] the latest on ^ [18:54:09] I can right off the bat think of a couple comments I might wanna make (for instance there’s a request open for a “windows bootlegs wiki” that seems to be effectively very similar/identical in premise to https://crustywindo.ws) [18:54:42] Did you know I would do that 😉 ? [18:54:52] I did not [18:55:00] It is a risky gambit [18:55:35] yeah I’m not taking about requesting perms [18:55:48] I’m talking about that new volunteer program that’s being started [18:55:56] wikiforce or whatever we’re calling it [18:56:04] We have a proverb in Polish: "Kto nie ryzykuje, ten nie je", which means "He who doesn't risk, doesn't eat" 🙂 [18:56:07] I got sidetracked, but I see what you mean [18:56:13] Name is tbd [18:56:39] thought so, wikiforce was the most popular choice last I checked though [18:56:44] Oh, sorry for interrupting the discussion [18:57:18] I posed it on top of GN's bit, so that was my bad [18:59:27] Well, I’m not completely finished yet, but most of them already have it, except for one—the one I actually made myself. I used an info box to create an interface for the Discord server. It’s probably an odd choice, but it worked really well! [19:05:15] I guess a form of this could adapt the 'trial wiki creator' idea by opening up the wc channel selectively to interested candidates, who can then do what you describe. I don't know the feasibility of having an odd group of not-quite creators commenting on requests from a technical and clarity standpoint though. [19:07:56] yeah [19:08:04] some form of wiki creator helper [19:08:26] it's an interesting point and I'm going to raise it to the wc channel now [19:09:01]