[00:41:09] Can someone from the Board break the Conduct (8) section in [[Terms of use]] into two units (title and content) and mark the page for translation. Also there is some wiki markup that might need cleaning [00:41:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Terms_of_use [01:11:55] how do i add an image as my background? [01:53:59] or can i force it to be dark mode [01:59:31] both can be done with some css [01:59:42] the exact css rules? i'm not totally sure [02:05:47] iirc templatewiki has it or you can go and copy/paste from another wiki's stylesheet [02:13:59] @Infrastructure Specialists could you please investigate ^ - this is still happening [02:17:12] the error tells you the issue [02:22:06] The error was being caused by a script in Common.js; it's gone now, yet the custom styling is still not applying [02:22:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1289774350639304744/image.png?ex=66fa0b78&is=66f8b9f8&hm=d6315ab0ae33e9c4db52e45cd8377ccc2996364097550a38946aa4e3923d8cb9& [02:23:02] goodness me, my brain hurts [02:23:35] yeah, that's a rough use of shadow... maybe reduce intensity on it if possible? [02:46:45] certainly falls into the creepypasta category for that sig [03:20:56] what am I looking at [03:20:58] I can't read shit [03:36:01] Wikia:lostepisodecreepypasta>SpookyScaryGaming [03:42:25] has anyone used has anyone used for self hosting? its a free hosting service that apparently supports mediawiki [04:01:26] I've never even heard of it before [04:14:55] yeah i'm trying to find an alternative host for my wiki [04:30:14] I haven't heard of it but from what I see it's similar to something like InfinityFree [04:36:56] i'm using them as last resort since all the other mediawiki hosts just seem be either be paid, have technical issues or are more specialized [04:38:29] which host are we complaining about(just joined the channel) [04:39:12] editthisinfo and shoutwiki [04:39:41] I wouldn't even use them as a last resort [04:40:50] actually [04:41:00] I don't know why it wasn't [04:42:26] wiki.gg, telepedia, and neoseeker aren't really good options for my wiki topic [04:42:46] neoseeker? [04:42:55] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services [05:16:13] what's your wiki topic [05:18:28] fictional evil people to keep it short [05:18:50] something miraheze wouldnt really allow on their platform [05:19:11] and yes my request got denied [05:20:39] self-hosting can work as a last resort I guess [05:20:46] if all else fails [05:23:15] issue is i don't want to turn pc into a server [05:24:10] has anyone had any experience with infinityfree? [05:26:38] never heard of it [05:52:00] While I'm sorry that we couldn't provide hosting on this front, certainly hope you can find a home - the Fandom purges are leaving several without a good host of next resort. 😦 [07:13:17] Idk if this is a well known bug(?) but is it normal that when you update a page [07:13:29] It doesn't sync or show as updated for everyone else until hours later [07:15:58] everyone else = logged out? [07:16:00] if so, known [07:35:23] Yeah everyone else is viewing the page as a guest [07:35:27] Only I'm logged in [07:36:29] Is the solution to basically make an account? [07:36:41] i dunno what happened to the fix tbh [07:36:50] you can also cachebust with random url query parameters [07:56:57] So like, adding `?action=purge` at the end of the page to clear cache? [07:59:02] hmm not sure if that'd help it [07:59:05] i mean stuff like ?filwebflaiwef [07:59:30] O right I'll keep it in mind [08:23:01] is the bug still rooted in cf? [08:23:34] multipurge actually [08:23:38] dunno what happened to that patch [08:29:27] [1/2] what happened to the to the text on the bottom [08:29:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1289866622647140362/afTMmU1.png?ex=66fa6167&is=66f90fe7&hm=f75f85035b24bdc4692e62ebd2bb7ec8442d2fa95fec143d47113e8d17bcf844& [08:30:09] something tells me that's not normal [08:32:22] someone seems to have forgotten to update localisation cache [08:32:27] probably agent because he updated citizen [09:27:21] Looks like what `?uselang=qqx` does. [09:31:34] which means there's nothing to placehold that text [09:32:00] or would updating cache resolve that [09:37:55] > [29/09/2024 19:27] Looks like what `?uselang=qqx` does. [09:37:57] yeah pretty much [09:38:11] agent updated citizen recently, so i'm guessing he forgot to update the cache as well [09:46:26] [1/4] If I have [09:46:26] [2/4] ```[[File:image.png|link=Page#]]``` [09:46:26] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:image.png [09:46:26] [3/4] How do I force the page it links to as "Page#" instead of just "Page"? [09:46:27] [4/4] I've tried replacing the # with %23 with no success. [09:47:15] I have started cache rebuild [09:47:22] ty ^_^ [09:47:43] np [09:48:22] Lets hope it finishes before my SSH disconnects as I forgot to start it in a screen lol [09:48:44] first thing i do when i ssh in is tmux attach lol [09:54:14] princessellierose: localisation cache rebuild done, should be fixed now [09:54:51] yeah looks fine now [09:57:55] @cosmicalpha we should make mwscript just start a screen or tmux session [09:58:39] Could be beneficial [10:03:00] i think wikimedia's just errors if you don't have a tmux or screen open [11:17:53] [1/5] I used a script to generate 1.2k pages in a "staging" namespace in a miraheze hosted wiki (with permission of the main wiki maintainer ofc). Now that we're satisfied with these pages, we'd like to either move or regenerate these pages into the main namespace. Given the number of pages, I wonder what the options are? [11:17:53] [2/5] - Moving each page manually by hand into the main namespace... would be hard to stomach [11:17:54] [3/5] - Generating the pages in the main namespace, and setting the "staging" namespace to be hidden for public... leaving that pile of unused not-public pages behind doesn't seem right. [11:17:54] [4/5] - Is there a true, complete and permanent bulk delete incl. revisions? [11:17:54] [5/5] - What other choices would we have? [11:21:31] there's practically no nice way to make a page fully private [11:22:01] Miraheze offers fully private wikis w/ a whitelist functionality and that's it [11:22:40] you can semi/automate move/rename/deletion w/ AutoWikiBrowser or pywikibot [11:23:05] there's also nuke (tied to DPL3 extension) which is for mass deletion [11:24:05] full delete - I don't think it's really possible unless w/ the help of tech folks, otherwise admins always can see revisions of deleted pages [11:34:50] [1/2] @freschu ^ [11:34:50] [2/2] just in case [11:49:05] Thank you, good to know there's options to do bulk operations for move and "delete". I was already aware there's no true delete, but I was hoping for miraheze support to jump in and offer that [11:55:50] mediawiki doesn't like peremant deletion [12:04:17] you could do it tho [12:04:24] if you muck around with db [12:08:23] i mean yea [12:08:28] it wont like it [12:08:35] we prob wont let you [12:13:34] jfyi, InfinityFree does not provide access to ssh until u upgrade to their paid plan, which, of course, no modules for u [12:14:07] Well, I’ve seen worse? [13:04:30] [1/2] Some red flags here... scroll down and under "MediaWiki Hosting in a Glance" it suddenly talks about WordPress. [13:04:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1289935840084234281/Screenshot_2024-09-29_at_9.03.55_AM.png?ex=66faa1de&is=66f9505e&hm=f2c4a2ae572108e5aae1993d57fd9d1239e2c08b659784bbff79b81c4277e58f& [13:05:26] [1/3] Mom can we have mediawiki? [13:05:26] [2/3] No dear we have mediawiki at home [13:05:27] [3/3] Mediawiki at home: Wordpress [13:06:08] [1/2] Also, no one is giving you free unlimited disk space and a free domain name forever for only $4/month. Not in this economy anyway. [13:06:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1289936249611751474/Screenshot_2024-09-29_at_9.05.55_AM.png?ex=66faa23f&is=66f950bf&hm=c6af15e147744b06f4c74303d881a056adfee23af9af6dfa5734a591c4d5b7b5& [13:06:20] definitely ai [13:06:33] "shared ssl certificate" what [13:06:51] > [29/09/2024 23:05] [3/3] Mediawiki at home: Wordpress [13:07:00] that's even worse than making your own ssg [13:08:14] i'm making a list of all the security vulnerabilities i found, and amazingly three out of four of them were found on accident [13:09:27] I need someone to commission art if Claire as a wizard walking through wiki land and the world literally burning at her feet [13:09:48] Security vulnerabilities found by accident are worrying [13:10:09] only one (sql function injection) was by actively looking for one [13:10:16] well, amongst the public ones anyway [13:10:35] How many have you found that aren’t private [13:10:37] another one (currently private) was found because i was actually trying to prod it [13:10:39] four [13:10:44] lemme make the page public [13:10:48] Are * [13:11:19] i'll have to do another count... [13:11:26] lots are disparate [13:13:53] ohh i forgot about that time i found a csrf [13:13:58] i should ask wmf to make that public [13:15:29] pixldev: it's complicated [13:15:56] miraheze phorge: 2 [13:16:02] actually [13:16:07] arrgh counting is hard [13:16:16] scratch that above comment [13:17:07] wiki related: 4 for private in total, but 2 are already fixed [13:17:15] non-wiki related: 1 [13:19:46] i should check back on that non-wiki related vuln [13:22:31] Is anyone elses wiki just randomly doing 502's? [13:22:40] same here [13:22:48] i wasnt even editing im just trying to view a page gah [13:22:57] okay thats good to know im not the only one [13:23:20] oh yep the servers are shitting themselves [13:24:19] Im going to drive into a brick wall [13:24:30] https://files.catbox.moe/8f18rr.png [13:24:40] Hm [13:24:42] Ping infra? [13:24:51] in tech ops? [13:24:57] oh things are going up? [13:25:10] I mean on discord [13:25:12] oof [13:25:36] This is totally fine [13:25:43] The servers just get uh [13:25:44] !tech oi the mediawiki servers are shitting the bed again [13:25:46] Cranky! [13:25:49] just wanted to check whats going on [13:26:00] Servers didn’t get breakfast that’s all [13:26:04] I don’t think that works [13:26:06] "unfortunately" i didn't get all red [13:26:07] @Infrastructure Specialists [13:26:08] oh [13:26:11] bleh, bad docs [13:26:22] Im seeing some recovery [13:26:33] yeah same... but in general still down [13:26:51] also unclaimed jobs is apparently zero, i feel like that's a lie though [13:26:57] something something new job queue? i was busy then [13:27:07] Old new job queue [13:27:21] i'm gonna pretend i understood that [13:27:24] We moved to kakfa a while back [13:27:32] yay i can acess mine now [13:27:35] There were [13:27:36] Issues [13:27:42] same here [13:27:44] that was fast [13:27:44] So we went back to redis I think [13:27:50] oh all green now [13:27:57] Servers just get moody [13:29:19] * RhinosF1 just got Claire's page [13:29:21] What brine [13:29:24] Broke [13:29:31] dunno [13:29:40] mw servers just shat the bed and almost universally were down [13:29:48] Everything [13:29:54] connection timeout i believe [13:29:56] All but one [13:30:06] mw184 @ cp37 da mvp [13:30:54] > [29/09/2024 23:19] i should check back on that non-wiki related vuln [13:31:05] No [13:31:08] ight cool, the public (???) pr to fix one of the issues raised got merged, but i somehow ignored that email [13:31:10] None but wiki matters [13:34:25] oh my god the ux fucking sucks [13:35:35] What software [13:35:40] Gotta be more specific [13:35:52] i gotta check that all the vulns raised are fixed first [13:36:04] definitely recording a vid tho, this is military grade jank [13:37:19] uhhhhh none are fixed?? [13:37:30] do i have to compile from master? i just updated to a new version like yesterday though... [13:38:40] Outage was caused by an error during maintenance being carried by tech [13:44:12] wonder if i'd remember to upload ~/videos/*-?????-military-grade-jank.mp4 [13:46:31] huh both bugs appear to be fixed in master [13:49:46] hey fellas im working on my wiki and uh [13:49:54] oh wait [13:50:01] hello [13:50:03] hold on hold on lemme redo something and ill be back [13:50:06] oh okay [13:50:11] lemme cook for a second [13:50:16] preemptive rubberduck debugging? [13:50:28] what [13:50:40] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubberduck_debugging [13:50:50] uhh [13:50:56] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubber_duck_debugging [13:50:59] i have a redirect to make [13:54:54] yeah i gave up on using that since the interface makes my brain hurt [13:55:27] > [29/09/2024 23:31] ight cool, the public (???) pr to fix one of the issues raised got merged, but i somehow ignored that email [13:55:31] lmao that pr did not solve the bug [13:55:40] so i have to git bisect the repo to figure out what actually fixed it [13:59:21] laptop be the type of computer that'd underclock to 400 MHz when compiling a program [14:16:08] the more you know [14:18:47] fun fact: i'm like 90% sure that i made citizen realize that they don't have a security policy [14:27:52] We really should be assessing that as part of a security review [14:34:44] oh? [14:43:04] BlankEclair: whether they have a security policy [14:47:47] something something job runner [14:57:49] not strictly a jobrunner problem [15:13:01] You can generate entire wiki database backups on demand? Really cool feature. I learned about this today. [15:16:01] yes [15:16:04] mediawiki W [15:16:18] Miraheze: we’re built different [15:16:24] uh... h... how did you not know? [15:16:26] miraheze W as well; I don't think this is a stock mediawiki feature unless you're using the command line [15:16:33] Yea [15:16:37] I didn't start using Miraheze until this year [15:16:43] And I created my first wiki this month [15:16:48] oh okay [15:16:51] Fair nuff [15:16:54] Me Wikimedia [15:16:58] Mr* [15:17:04] isn't there a manage this wiki's backups in the sidebar though? [15:17:11] Yes, that's how I learned about it [15:17:13] > [30/09/2024 01:16] miraheze W as well; I don't think this is a stock mediawiki feature unless you're using the command line [15:17:21] you can also use wikiteam3 to make backups without server access [15:19:45] that's like a last resort thing, and is mostly applied to fandom [15:20:04] eh, a backup's a backup [15:20:26] i use it like monthly to make image backups of our wiki [15:20:34] (ik of SR/RC, but lazy) [15:20:35] the interface is a miraheze thing yeah [15:20:43] but its just a wrapper around backup stuff mediawiki already provides [15:25:52] interestingly shoutiwki also offers something similar lol? [15:30:52] Can I request a PII desensitisation for my account? [15:31:08] I remember that the MirahezeGDPR tool can do this [15:32:04]