[00:19:01] [1/2] Monobook is broken beyond repair on mobile [00:19:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309674533086691410/Screenshot_20241122_161810.jpg?ex=674270f5&is=67411f75&hm=1527b63e9d494b81e59ab39dfc86d4ddeaa92cc068958513e5ae4b32e36248e9& [02:03:48] its not broken [02:03:52] it was never designed for mobile [02:04:04] the only mobile-responsive desktop skin is vector-2022 [02:04:42] minerva kinda but that's a mobile skin that is usable on desktop but wasn't meant for desktop [02:11:27] Cosmos sorta as well [02:51:16] [1/2] something about my main page design feels wrong, but I can't figure out exactly what. [02:51:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309712846766215238/Screenshot_2024-11-22_205217.png?ex=674294a3&is=67414323&hm=e96167843b9ea1aaa012ed6a299875423b2ab003f0e5cc8673e746f0b75e5801& [02:51:40] hmmm [02:51:46] the `...`? [03:37:34] [1/2] how do i invert these icons [03:37:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309724499461013625/Screenshot_2024-11-22-20-58-58-78_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=67429f7e&is=67414dfe&hm=6af1733018cc7e8f878e45706a3daba1795a971e1c6945ff918c91256087f5e1& [03:38:43] @CSS/JS Support Volunteers curtesy ping ⬆️ [03:53:31] `filter: invert(1);` [03:53:48] using which classes [03:54:15] Your browser's developer tools will help you determine that [03:54:21] im on tablet [03:54:29] 🤧 [03:55:05] `view-source:https://yourwiki.miraheze.org`, maybe? [03:56:32] [1/2] typing it just turns it into a google query [03:56:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309729273917210624/Screenshot_2024-11-23-11-56-09-08_40deb401b9ffe8e1df2f1cc5ba480b12.jpg?ex=6742a3f0&is=67415270&hm=c8c7559f64f566a42680e0bde8fb871c5b4e4be1d65f640bf14aa36cacad4627& [03:58:04] Use a browser [03:59:19] They are most likely using a browser - one designed for mobile devices, since stackd is using a tablet [03:59:59] I just assumed they were on the google app because it usually doesn't work there [04:03:39] [1/2] Refreshed theme on desktop/tablet/tv width for more eye BLEEEUGH [04:03:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309731062720499762/Screenshot_20241122-200225.png?ex=6742a59a&is=6741541a&hm=13a6d4c0d0870af660c8c8475f70e02a57489abc1b63b88a3aef59840ae49c12& [04:09:58] im on chrome 😭😭 [04:16:18] [1/3] Yea u know what I think you're right. On second thought, I don't even think it's gonna work. [04:16:18] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309734245186404472/Screenshot_20241122-201352.png?ex=6742a891&is=67415711&hm=b0236b7177f060dc07ffa7850e03b44bb0f65fa6572820e53fd3ef71c5dab7ed& [04:16:18] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309734245572411434/Screenshot_20241122-201423.png?ex=6742a891&is=67415711&hm=995bc7c380be62f63d0107bda697fddd72ddf9903603e35f4a18f52847e66d2f& [04:16:36] [1/2] # But I got one for you better! [04:16:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309734321887772764/Screenshot_20241122-201535.png?ex=6742a8a4&is=67415724&hm=00c8839b73e96edf44850457abdf5856791bb4dc83233de0f94409093eda6a91& [04:22:46] Maybe add a minor hue to the regions/countries/history/guide 'boxes', or convert them to buttons? [07:45:00] do @import work in skin css like citizen.csss [09:01:42] Should do [09:01:50] what's the error @snowstacked [09:11:25] no error just asked cause i was wondering [09:12:43] [1/2] however i tried to do this for my legacy namespace but doesnt seem to change: [09:12:43] [2/2] https://utg.miraheze.org/MediaWiki:Citizen.css#L-2 [09:18:08] @canyada [09:54:55] i've got some redlinks whose pages i've filled out, but which still show up as redlinks. they're all linked to from the same page. they all also use DPL3 to list some backlinks, but all show none despite me creating them all from a page that links to them. all my older pages work fine still. any ideas? [10:02:50] [1/6] i vaguely remember having problems with this too, i think bc common.css and skin css get combined into 1 file, so any @imports in the skin css end up in the middle of the file [10:02:50] [2/6] a sort of solution is to do it as a gadget, something like this [10:02:50] [3/6] ``` [10:02:51] [4/6] * citizenlegacy[ResourceLoader|default|type=styles|skins=citizen]|citizenlegacy.css [10:02:51] [5/6] ``` [10:02:51] [6/6] and put the css at mediawiki:gadget-citizenlegacy.css [10:03:22] ooh thats smart [10:03:25] thank you !! [10:29:36] [1/2] i made a thing where in citizen, instead of the categories being at the bottom, it moves to the sidebar (like where the last modified and toc are at), however, for pages with have NOTOC, the categories suddenly disappear. how do i prevent this [10:29:37] [2/2] https://utg.miraheze.org/MediaWiki:Catlinks.js [10:38:20] [1/2] i made a JS where instead of the categories being at the bottom, it is moved to the sidebar where the last modified time and the tocs are at. however, for pages which have NOTOC, it completely disappears. how do i prevent this? [10:38:20] [2/2] [11:40:02] @rodejong for future reference, users would likely find it more polite if you messaged them to discuss potential concerns before you attempted to speedy delete subpages of their user page. Thank-you for your understanding. [12:26:02] @import works only in common.css? [12:26:19] ah canada already said, sorry [19:23:37] I left a message on your talkpage, that you can ask for undeletion if already deleted. Besides, such pages aren't really for Meta. Meta is the community server, not a place to store encyclopaedic pages, or other pages, from other wiki's. [19:27:02] Public Test Wiki and the (Unofficial) Miraheze Scratchpad would be a better place for such [19:49:14] [1/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:El_Komodos_Drago/List_of_Hive_Minds creates script errors and calls on non-existent templates/Modules [19:49:14] [2/3] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:El_Komodos_Drago [19:49:14] [3/3] I had nominated the page, with the message Encyclopedic pages belong on own wiki's. This page creates script errors and calls on non-existing templates. [19:50:34] He reverted that [20:14:42] To echo others here, subpages on meta aren't for creation of random full-on content pages. Please use publictestwiki.com or scratchpad.miraheze.org for these sorts of thing. Reinstating deletion. [21:04:40] How do I improve [this infobox?]() [21:05:28] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xYbqbabTwI [21:05:51] i just finished these first two videos, i cannot find the third part video that was mentioned [21:07:07] curious if there is a pt 3 to be found, and also what other mediawiki tutorial vids/resources there are recommendations for [21:07:21] beyond just scrolling the help page lol [21:07:34] I should watch that video 💀 [21:08:38] Add some kind of placeholder for its parameters - without them, MediaWiki will output `{{{parameter}}}` if a parameter is not defined [21:08:38] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:%7bparameter [21:13:31] [1/2] Like how do I make the thingies show up because in Monobook's visual editor it usually doesn't. [21:13:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1309990237954506822/Screenshot_2024-11-23-13-12-42.jpg?ex=674396fb&is=6742457b&hm=c19c8609860a911538dcc5d0f4612c9d74923c53bc107562b96e20596fed142e& [21:47:25] i've got some redlinks whose pages i've filled out, but which still show up as redlinks. they're all linked to from the same page. they all also use DPL3 to list some backlinks, but all show none despite me creating them all from a page that links to them. all my older pages work fine still. any ideas? [22:03:14] @rodejong @notaracham I believe this is a gross overstep of the speedy deletion policy, utterly unnecessary, and something you should at least have discussed. As such I will no longer be donating to the Miraheze project. I hope you feel what you have got out of this was worth it. Have a good day. [22:04:38] If you had made a polite request, I probably would have listened. [22:04:57] I wish you a good day too. But to be honest. Meta was the wrong place to post that page to. As suggested, you could post it on Scratch [22:05:39] I'll take that critic to me. As you are right that I could have handled it better [22:06:20] To be frank, I am not so much grumpy with you as @notaracham who should have known better. [22:07:01] And, in my view, has misused his position. I would petition revocation if I could be bothered, but frankly I have bigger problems. [22:08:36] I would have strongly preferred more in the way of notice/opportunity for seamless transfer before that action was taken, which is all of a simple statement to piggyback on the ping ^ and frankly not a huge deal for what was apparently mostly a copy paste wikipedia page with broken elements on it [22:08:58] a request to revoke would be ill thought, melodramatic, and completely ill fated [22:10:15] it's also an odd thing to me to crack down on since userspace has mostly been hands off unless it was especially broken or spam or something, there is surely a lot else that could take priority [22:12:16] [1/3] To be honest, My opinion is the same as that of @notaracham [22:12:16] [2/3] ```Userpages and User subpages on meta aren't for creation of random full-on content pages on non-meta topics. [22:12:16] [3/3] Please use https://publictestwiki.com/ or https://scratchpad.miraheze.org/ for these sorts of thing. ``` [22:12:59] [1/2] Meta is used for everything Meta and Miraheze. [22:13:00] [2/2] Not a personal wiki for things that are not related to Miraheze or Meta [22:13:07] the intent is mostly sensible, the execution needed work [22:15:39] and I do not endorse ekd's response to it [22:15:50] That is why I also admitted that I could have asked this user first to remove it. [22:16:20] probably would have been preferable to proxy such a request through a meta admin or raise at the AN [22:16:38] policing userspace should be considered a somewhat delicate topic [22:17:19] I reacted as it was creating script errors and calls on non-existing templates and Modules. [22:17:48] But perhaps this should be unified [22:18:05] it is gnarly and not attractive to ocd but not a big deal really [22:18:14] @elkdrago I understand your frustrations but threatening to file requests to revoke peoples rights and stop donations isn't going to do you any favour [22:18:27] It's not a gross overstep, it's a simple misunderstanding [22:18:34] 'bye then' is my inclination to that response tbqh [22:18:45] No request to revoke rights on the basis of this has any chance of being successful [22:19:03] you'd have a better shot revoking me for being blunt and I would give points on that [22:19:07] I'm going to remind those here that the code of conduct applies [22:19:26] not that I have a whole lot to revoke but I digress [22:20:34] We don't really have a normal deletion process, this is something that can easily be discussed on Meta's community portal and any gaps in process or policy improved for future [22:20:36] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Meta:Community_portal [22:21:41] I just don't understand why we allow things like such pages on Meta, as it has nothing to do with Meta or Miraheze [22:22:02] Collaboration and co-operation is at the heart of Miraheze, let's stick to that [22:22:33] We don't but something like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Proposed_deletion would probably be better than Speedy [22:22:51] There's points we can reflect on as a group and improve approach [22:22:56] We don't have such system here [22:23:09] We only have {{delete}} to use [22:23:09] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:delete [22:23:11]

[22:23:18] Yes, I suggest we consider whether we need one [22:23:30] not especially tbh [22:23:33] Our only option is speedy deletion which is probably a downfall [22:23:50] A good alternative would be appreciated [22:23:50] though for something like this I'd have preferred granular notice and maybe process through AN [22:24:25] I suggest time would be better spent discussing how we can improving things than making any kind of threat against the farm or users [22:24:28] I personally just don't care too much to crack down on relatively harmless and limited in number, not perfectly related userspace content on the central community wiki of the platform [22:24:41] I'm sure you could bust my ass for something or another in my userspace [22:24:54] I got an F1 race to watch in like 7.5 hours so I suppose I better get to sleep though [22:25:05] @rodejong you pulling an all nighter again? [22:25:33] No, I'll go to bed in about 2 hours [22:25:44] Only need 5 hours to sleep [22:26:16] Went to bed after Qualy at 9 am and woke up at 14 [22:26:38] Sleep well [22:38:10] [1/4] I am sorry, but I appear to have been unclear. Neither of these statements are intended as threats to sway any decision making process going forward, they are merely statements of what I will do (and now have done), and what I feel I should do. [22:38:10] [2/4] I have cancelled my recurring donation to Miraheze. [22:38:10] [3/4] I will not be starting a revocation petition because I do not have the energy to do so and other stuff matters to me more, but I do believe that this is grounds for revocation. [22:38:10] [4/4] I feel it was a gross overstep not a simple misunderstanding. [22:43:47] Look, you lot do what you feel is right, and I will do what I feel is right. I will not donate to a project I do not believe in. [22:48:14] [1/6] Hey, just getting caught up on this, like yourself I am juggling a number of IRL matters [22:48:15] [2/6] From my perspective: [22:48:15] [3/6] *A Wikipedia page was uploaded to meta without a clear purpose or relevance. [22:48:15] [4/6] * A notice was left on the talk page, notifying of alternatives for testing content [22:48:16] [5/6] * I made the call to honor the request for removal. [22:48:16] [6/6] This clearly had a very different impact on you and I want to understand where you're coming from, so please feel free to reach out here, via DM, or on wiki with your perspective and how you'd like to see this handled differently next time. [22:49:47] While that may not change your opinion of the project, I want to ensure we're doing our best for our entire community - if there are process improvements to be made let's make them. [22:52:45] I'm going to sleep on this and maybe come back in the morning when I might see this differently. I am quite angry right now and I'll have calmed down in the morning (and if nothing else, hey, at least you've saved me a few quid a month). I hope you have a good evening, sorry that I am frustrated and sorry if I am being rude. [22:53:53] Not a worry at all, here to talk when you are. Have yourself a good evening as well. [22:53:54] Enjoy your sleep friend [22:55:03] [1/2] I understand the frustration... It's the same when an article I had worked on for days and uploaded to Wikipedia, was deleted as not Encyclopedic enough. [22:55:03] [2/2] Hope you don't lose sleep over it. Good night and sleep well [23:38:05] I’ll comment as an uninvolved meta sysop: A non speedy deletion option may make sense, though I will admit that I don’t ever try and moderate the user space apart from obvious spam, as there otherwise is nothing wrong with users doing stuff in their userspace. If it got to be excessive then I might concerned, but not with just 1 page. In this case, since there already had been a bit of push back, it probably would have made sense to [23:38:05] hold off and deletion and let the discussion continue. I’m sorry that this caused you to stop your donation. [23:41:22] Hi, thanks for chipping in. For clarity the page has already been deleted so there is no 'holding off' to do. [23:45:17] Wanted to extend my apologies again for the miscommunication. While the article's final home shouldn't be Meta, I'll restore it for now in case there was edit history in need of recovery. Get rest, we can figure out what remains tomorrow [23:54:37] Yup, I said that holding off “would have made sense” [23:56:27] There’s been a looot of different views here(I’m personally in the center) so yeah we should try to come to a community consensus [23:56:45] After all we’re a wiki, isn’t that our thing :-) [23:57:16] Agreed for sure, community consensus is critical [23:57:49] Yes figurative person in the back of the room saying the definition of wiki is anyone can edit also true now sit