[00:26:16] [1/3] I got an AI comment on my request wiki saying [00:26:16] [2/3] > โงผrequestwiki-ai-decision-rejectโงฝ [00:26:17] [3/3] Is this like, a proper rejection or just the ai bot being weird? [00:26:45] what request? [00:26:52] the bot is going through them again [00:27:35] Paracolbase.miraheze.org !! [00:28:13] the bot went through the request again around 6 minutes ago and approved it [00:28:32] it's my fault for hardcoding "reject" when the AI doesn't recieve response [00:28:35] sorry about that [00:28:54] ahhh right, no problem! I was just wondering haha [00:41:29] I received the same thing but my request was accepted shortly after, it's fine ๐Ÿ‘ [00:50:21] wait did automatic AI approvals get added? [00:54:34] Yep, just went live, about to announce. [00:56:16] awesome [00:56:24] Per the RFC yup [00:56:57] was just confused for a sec because my wiki request was accepted and only the ai had commented [00:57:52] it went through the queue and processed all outsanding requests [00:57:55] hi yall [00:58:54] heyooooo [01:01:12] heya [01:05:52] Hello there [01:06:02] Bonjur [01:06:12] And so we meet againโ€ฆ.. [01:06:38] :sus: [01:06:54] :sus: [01:07:38] 4 days is a stretch [01:07:46] but the last of the queue has been dealt with [01:09:11] May not have updated yet [01:09:15] [1/2] 89% less requests and about 30% less eta [01:09:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335054323188633690/image.png?ex=679ec5ba&is=679d743a&hm=c53506a97744d5bef03139a83240a43b76585bef84594fab2c2d34899ddf128b& [01:09:22] Or itโ€™s not used to this PMAO [01:09:43] It counts previous times into its calculations for time so [01:10:16] [1/2] Does the link color look better than before [01:10:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335054579704004730/IMG_6192.png?ex=679ec5f7&is=679d7477&hm=9bfb09d2f1d80be6afd8dcb5a153c37ab5ba9788cf29e27d1f9c4e27497b63a2& [01:11:32] [1/2] Before it was changed to purple [01:11:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335054899465031762/IMG_6193.jpg?ex=679ec644&is=679d74c4&hm=b15883ea47a3c37a230356d0e85c9768ff2b480e6199d8fa2c334638ed451fbc& [01:11:39] They seem to blend in a little too much with the normal text? Hard to tell from just that. [01:11:48] it looks a lot better than it was before, yeah [01:12:07] Thank you ๐Ÿ™ [01:12:40] So link color is permanently then [01:22:02] this is so overwhelming compared to fandom lols [01:29:07] It can be a little more complex at the start sure, but you got SO much more freedom to do pretty much whatever you want [01:29:50] yeah im excited for sure, just gotta lock in with this pre-reading [01:29:57] Recalculates hourly-ish, should be interesting once we get the next bump. [01:31:16] hey, does anyone know what happened to the monster girl encyclopedia wiki? Itโ€™s gone from permissions being closed to the wiki seemingly justโ€ฆnot working, with parts of it just straight up deleted [01:31:41] The wiki bureaucrat has decided to re-host elsewhere and requested deletion. [01:32:26] Ah, I see. Do you know where they decided to host? [01:33:05] [1/2] Not sure, probably worth asking the admin: [01:33:05] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_talk:Ochiverde [01:33:15] Alright, thanks [01:35:07] Wait, I found it [02:59:47] ๐Ÿ˜“ [03:07:00] is there a way to mass delete pages based on byte size? [03:07:16] i'm trying to delete alot of blank pages right now [03:37:47] Iโ€™ve done this before actually, I have a script to make a list based off byte count somewhere [03:37:55] And pass to AWB to delete [03:38:07] but awb is broken on windows 10 currently [03:51:24] it works fine on my Win10, but maybe it's a version thing [03:56:56] Wait what [03:57:20] Connecting to Miraheze on AWB on Windows 10 works? [03:57:59] so - i'm considering starting up a wiki to document a fandom i'm a part of, but as someone who's never done much before, what should i need to know beforehand? [04:03:57] make sure to always preview your changes before saving your edit [04:04:26] if u keep editing to fix one character it will bloat up your edit count [04:10:15] actually - i'm prob gonna get a bunch of content together myself first before i make a wiki for it [04:10:29] so that way i don't have a wiki that's just empty while i re-listen to the entire podcast [04:21:39] Weโ€™re always learning to be fair, we all learn by editing [04:22:27] entirely fair [04:22:43] is this a good idea? or should i just... yolo it, and make stuff directly on the wiki? [04:28:21] Another option is to request a private wiki, and then make it public, when you feel you have enough content too [04:29:07] (a wiki can be changed from private to public, with just a single option change by bureaucrats, just removing a checkmark litterally) [04:29:09] oh that would work - how easy is it to make it public? [04:29:11] ahh [04:29:21] answered my question before i even finished typing it [04:31:24] ofc you can, you can even throw stuff on the wiki first before adjust the contents [04:32:25] i just submitted the req [04:33:40] [1/2] oh wait what that was fast [04:33:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335105768696975381/CleanShot_2025-01-31_at_23.33.31.png?ex=679ef5a4&is=679da424&hm=70bad8750667602d015b6320b16abeb003706a47669de6dc15e85ef145cb1fec& [04:33:53] you're welcome ^_^ [04:35:27] thank you! [04:35:32] Yup, we actually just started enabling AI approvals a fews hours ago after being approved by community referendum [04:35:39] ahh [04:35:51] This would have taken 3-8 days in the past so [04:35:59] Letโ€™s hope for the best! [04:38:30] omg [04:40:10] Rejoice, for it is a beautiful sight not seen before for countless a moon [04:41:46] what rhe flip ! [04:42:32] [1/2] wow [04:42:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335107998212952165/image0.jpg?ex=679ef7b7&is=679da637&hm=56dc319c87a3ed83a7aba4e34a69fb4e6cb63a0c5e54e6312a1291ffb4374f31& [04:43:31] A few days ago, we hit a record of 9 days [04:43:44] Insane [04:44:13] This reminds me a bit of the saying from the late Vami IV, actually [04:45:04] > "As a Wikipedia editor, I understand that my goal is the destruction of my purpose." [04:45:19] Love this phrase ngl [04:47:19] (Rest in Peace Vami. Your work will not be forgotten) [05:12:37] BlankEclair: tf is bethโ€™s username again with the numbers [05:12:46] im trying to find it to ping [05:15:11] never mind, founds it [05:17:37] [1/2] @randomizedkirbytree47 i saw your fedi post about the AI enabling (thank you @alu19_ for posting that even though it got comped by automod(note to self, see about a manual trusted role to bypass that without registering)), I have some thoughts/comments/civil rebuttals on some points you raise in it. In the interest of constructive collaboration, would you mind if I leave them in a re [05:17:38] [2/2] ply on the fedi post or just lay them out here? (I <3 500 characters limit) [05:21:52] (vanilla mastodon L) [05:22:09] Hard agree [05:22:30] Sadly wikis.worldโ€™s host doesnโ€™t allow changing that [05:25:08] should i comment some nits on the post? ^^; [05:27:33] Bethโ€™s? [05:28:06] If you want, Iโ€™d prefer to discuss a bit more first. Regardless, I need sleep [05:28:36] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335119589503406120/image.png?ex=679f0283&is=679db103&hm=dc05a3f56bba26f99bfe88ed14889fba47d659d896b14b3d75a86818de056dd6& [05:28:37] horrah [05:34:56] curious read [06:03:45] I don't mind either way. [06:11:30] is there a list of recently accepted wikis i can see? [06:13:09] Special:RequestWikiQueue [06:14:48] tysm [06:18:03] yw [06:25:12] [1/2] Our analytics page isn't analyzing. We had numbers on the 30th but now they're all gone. [06:25:12] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335133835343433779/image.png?ex=679f0fc7&is=679dbe47&hm=c6373ea380e1d8fac57b1685ccd35d986d847cc57ddb2c85d0c995b46117499b& [06:27:47] Whatโ€™s up with that? [06:28:29] something broke, you aren't alone in this [06:29:17] [1/2] ah well [06:29:17] [2/2] #minor-announcements [06:29:43] does that mean there will be more resets in the future? [06:30:06] no [06:30:24] this is a one-off instance [06:31:19] who needs those numbers anyway? [06:31:39] ah whatever [06:33:42] is that sf font [06:34:02] Honestly I donโ€™t know [06:41:18] The only caveat/correction to the fedi post regarding AI that immediately stands out is that the prompt injection examples from claire were reviewed and changes were made to mitigate those - they were not ignored/dismissed. [06:42:26] RhinosF1 also encouraged me to find a prompt injection [06:42:48] Otherwise, fully agree that the current solution reliant on OpenAI isn't our best/preferred end state, very much looking forward to when we can acquire the hardware when the numbers line up in a few months and get to work on our own solution. [06:47:18] Will add, BlankEclair is rapidly becoming one of our top finders of interesting ways to break things - her input is never dismissed outright. ๐Ÿ˜„ Appreciate all you do, BE. [06:47:39] ehehe, thank you <3 [06:48:43] imagine me working for a company, and i have to sign a contract [06:48:58] i'd totally go back and forth three times over minute inaccuracies xD [06:50:17] [1/2] Oh sweet editing deities that'll be a whole thing. [06:50:18] [2/2] Appreciate the break/fix rounds you put our NDAs through already. [06:59:10] Meta's RC got significantly short because of createwiki log expansion [07:01:25] Heh, yes, yes it did. Thankfully should be a (mostly) one-time event [07:01:32] yeah [08:44:30] [1/2] does anyone know how do i make map information,map name,image png and map creator take full bar instead of 1 [08:44:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335168893685075988/image.png?ex=679f306e&is=679ddeee&hm=6fd0ccd00380bd701c38907e9c687d54bad553a8c8bd8e2c36e8ebf5edabd0d4& [09:03:54] `|colspan="1" | MAP information` [09:04:04] okay thanks [09:04:24] 2, not 1 [09:04:39] also don't put second cell if you did [09:17:31] We keep getting ghost pinged here [09:59:01] Bump. have needed help on this for quite a while [09:59:42] [1/2] I also wonder if it's possible to import this minecraft GUI into a wiki page (with each of the item icons there linking to a different article) [09:59:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335187818237923379/image.png?ex=679f420e&is=679df08e&hm=61c62167be8b47c9ebccb361a23df46570e10a433082f80ede3462ed448deb91& [09:59:59] isnt this a mod? [10:00:04] Yes it is [10:00:16] whats the mod's name again [10:00:24] Origins + Alternate Origins GUI [10:00:33] ooo [10:02:25] I feel like it would be easy enough to recreate with css [10:05:07] maybe just [10:05:14] [1/2] I'd also like this effect to pop up [10:05:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335189210398720042/image.png?ex=679f435a&is=679df1da&hm=8d8b51669e7ef38f7ff350fed7e507775416042b9bc5fa57fe9ffb1d676dd777& [10:05:18] if thats possible [10:05:23] take a screenshot of it, make it an svg so its scaleable [10:05:29] make it a background image [10:05:38] and individually place the images on it [10:05:46] how do i make it an svg? [10:05:51] ok that i got no clue [10:06:01] how would that work with the pages though [10:06:06] https://pixelied.com/convert/png-converter/png-to-svg use one of these websites [10:06:07] since theres multiple pages [10:06:19] [1/2] i mean [10:06:20] [2/2] its sidewide css [10:06:22] so it should work [10:06:33] altho im doubting if thats even a good solution [10:06:58] there's much more than screenshots [10:07:04] could be Lua or JS [10:07:26] you need to see how it actually works on that wiki [10:07:41] wdym? [10:09:19] I thought you want to replicate something from another wiki [10:09:40] it is............... [10:09:42] i think [10:09:50] i think the minecraft wiki has this [10:09:56] still, decorated tooltips is js at minimum [10:09:56] or i think its the fandom wiki [10:10:01] or it hink both has it i forgot [10:10:28] tbh recreating gives much better look that png to svg converters [10:10:40] ah [10:10:44] [1/2] yeah it is possible [10:10:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335190592451383327/image.png?ex=679f44a3&is=679df323&hm=1db1f46ab21de9331f0b202d94ce3540ca5e927e3f37d18264645215cfeaa9f7& [10:12:19] some advance stuff way beyond my scope of understanding ๐Ÿ™ [10:13:41] recreating? [10:13:49] nah [10:13:53] that minecraft gui is from my smp [10:14:07] yeah [10:14:12] it HAS to have js [10:14:13] and js is weird [10:14:16] and sucks [10:14:17] and too hard [10:14:18] recreating means like remaking the svg u wanna make [10:14:21] why is js so weird [10:14:23] stop. [10:14:26] how [10:14:40] blame the creater [10:14:46] @snowstacked ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? [10:14:49] โ‰๏ธ [10:14:50] It sucks because you don't understand it [10:15:15] I barely understand js and it seems decent [10:15:36] i should have not forgotten js when i used to make discord bots.... biggest regret ever.... [10:15:45] check how Minecraft Wiki does it, that's all I can suggest [10:15:49] if I were to pay someone to dev such a GUI for me [10:15:56] how much would you say would be a fair price [10:16:02] bc idk javascript lol [10:16:02] [say whaaaaaaaaaaaat](https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1309897209294360586.png?size=160&name=say+whaaaaaaaaaaaat) [10:16:14] just like, check the minecraft wiki [10:16:35] that only tells me how to add the tooltip [10:16:37] what about all the other stuff [10:16:49] like putting a white border outside [10:16:51] the gui itself [10:16:53] switching pages [10:16:54] see the source code of some page w/ this thingy, you'll see its template, then check its source code ... [10:16:57] that ur gonna have to figure it out, thats all i can say abt it... [10:16:59] lol [10:17:28] we all started somewhere [10:17:30] no other wiki has this thingy [10:17:35] [1/2] White border is ezy [10:17:35] [2/2] Is it when clicked or hovered above? [10:17:40] hover [10:17:44] then ya got to make it urself [10:17:50] :waaah: [10:17:51] that's why I'm saying check that wiki? [10:17:51] but idk how [10:17:59] (โ•ฏยฐโ–กยฐ)โ•ฏ๏ธต โ”ปโ”โ”ป [10:18:06] which wiki [10:18:08] it doesnt exist [10:18:18] poor guy [10:18:30] mediawiki discord os the only place where you might find people willing to cide everything for you for money [10:18:57] but that means you'll have to rely on other people always [10:19:25] minecraft wiki does? [10:19:28] I already know a couple of people who'd be able to dev it for me, but I dunno what's the standard for this kinda thing. idk what I should offer [10:19:45] Why can't ya do it urself? [10:20:05] cause i dont know how :spyBruh: [10:20:07] learn [10:20:11] how [10:20:11] start from basics [10:20:52] [1/2] :vernYippee: [10:20:52] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335193142575763496/image.png?ex=679f4703&is=679df583&hm=04e067804c8049ae20ed5e0e49496c5756658ffc6ec62296f8bfcb8b954bf5f2& [10:20:57] [1/2] HTML, CSS - plenty of free tutorials online, like w3schools [10:20:57] [2/2] template coding - check other wikis and mediawiki.org help/manuals [10:21:10] js - also out there online for free [10:21:16] :FeelsBadMan: [10:21:35] Lua probably too, but that's high level Wikipedia calibre stuff [10:21:49] congrats [10:22:01] [1/2] Being able to code stuff urself will greatly benefit you [10:22:01] [2/2] Cuz you'll save money not needing to constantly pay other people [10:22:20] and you know what you want and what are you doing [10:22:29] ๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‰๐ŸŽ‰ [10:22:42] [1/2] there are some places where u can learn these like games [10:22:43] [2/2] i used codedex for a while [10:23:04] there is also a web dev course there [10:23:13] [1/2] WTF [10:23:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335193733284495401/image.png?ex=679f4790&is=679df610&hm=c1ee9996514a4d67f301f387f9a0fa8347b27c6e600381688b43e991881509cc& [10:23:14] this is the template [10:23:25] Module:Crafting usage [10:23:43] Lua it is then [10:24:02] w/ DPL? [10:24:06] fuck [10:24:09] whats DPL [10:24:30] goddammit why is it hard to just display a tooltip [10:24:55] surely it only needs lua for all the other parts of the template [10:25:06] surely the tooltip itself would be fairly simple to make [10:25:16] background image with some text in a custom font [10:25:37] [1/2] I have a tooltip script and templates for it on my wiki, adapted from Fandom script [10:25:38] [2/2] but last time I offered them to another guy he said they aren't working for him so idk [10:26:14] default HTML tooltip is barebones thing, CSS tooltip is limited affair still [10:26:21] so that's JS at minimum [10:28:10] [10:28:44] my brain's melting from this [10:28:56] thats a lua [10:29:00] whats dpl tho [10:29:33] Disability Pool Lifts Australia [10:29:33] that's why I suggest to every newbie admin to start w/ simple things and not look too much at big established wikis or Wikipedia [10:30:04] man, I just wanted a nice professional-looking wiki for my minecraft server [10:30:09] how did it come to this [10:30:18] could be a template but thats just my guess [10:30:21] professional looking is a lot of work [10:30:29] it requires knowledge and experience [10:30:45] and just copying doesn't guarantee finess [10:31:06] things can broke along the way like Wikipedia templates do here every so often after import [10:32:16] you gotta understand what are you doing [10:35:18] how can i link pages where their name has brackets also? [10:37:37] aren't brackets disallowed in titles [10:37:43] if you mean square ones [10:37:46] yeah [10:37:48] they're disallowed? [10:38:01] yeah [10:38:09] damn./.. [10:57:03] how do I remove stuff from the toolbox on the sidebar and reorder the new stuff I added into the toolbox? say i want one to be a little higher up [10:57:43] MediaWiki:Sidebar? [10:57:51] yes [10:58:48] [1/3] `* sidebar section [10:58:48] [2/3]  link` [10:58:48] [3/3] this how it works, you can new section [11:00:24] how do i make a template? [11:00:56] on pages starting w/ `Template:` prefix [11:01:55] you can also import some ready templates from other wikis, but that will still require some caution/work [11:02:16] what [11:02:55] so i need to go on a page and type Template: and put the template i want to make [11:03:34] [1/2] like this [11:03:35] [2/2] [11:03:48] wait man [11:04:20] so i need to go on the wiki i want to make the template in, after the/ i put Template: and the name goes here [11:05:18] [1/6] pretty much yeah [11:05:18] [2/6] template is a type of pages on a wiki site, right [11:05:18] [3/6] they are defined by that prefix [11:05:19] [4/6] you put some code into that page, and after that you can use template on normal pages [11:05:19] [5/6] like this [11:05:19] [6/6] `{{stub}}` [11:06:34] got it thank you [11:06:39] np [11:07:59] hey one more question if i update the template will all the pages with the template get updated? [11:08:59] yeah, but sometimes it might take a bit of time or require a cache kick (purge button or `?action=purge` in URL) [11:09:26] but that happens rarely [11:09:47] simple templates, infoboxes update quickly [11:10:31] CSS via TemplateStyles is quick, CSS via MediaWiki: pages takes time or a kick [11:37:00] [1/2] This is what i have [11:37:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335212300591693926/image.png?ex=679f58db&is=679e075b&hm=ebf3aad85626189ba4fb89599caf1288e2f4bc2505e28bb3f5b9d1d5e67366dc& [11:37:06] [1/2] This is what appears [11:37:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335212326642516059/image.png?ex=679f58e1&is=679e0761&hm=a8714539c39d2cc41f86600e852913c913365a71e00d2f77cfaefe339901e369& [11:37:21] I want to put 'create a new page' and 'upload file' at the top [11:37:35] and remove special pages [11:47:47] Tools can't be changed, it's hardcoded into software [11:48:09] modifying it will require js poking [11:48:19] surely it'd be pretty simple right [11:48:24] just remove a line of code or two [11:48:34] I suggest to add these link into "Wiki" section [11:48:59] but it's nice to have upload file next to create a new page [11:49:23] isnt it? [11:49:29] files? [11:49:48] you don't need files to create new pages [11:50:02] files are files, they exist separately, can be used on pages [11:50:21] [1/2] on my wiki i did this [11:50:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335215660854284289/IMG_20250201_144914.jpg?ex=679f5bfc&is=679e0a7c&hm=5d076c39a96a07c5ed2b40d826b905077400132c8def3f2ffacd242221e9512d& [11:50:41] fair nuff [11:51:38] category tree? whats that [11:52:22] and how do I add it to my sidebar? [11:52:59] [1/2] extension, it shows categories in a collapsed kind of list [11:52:59] [2/2] it really works if you actually maintain all categories nicely, w/o leaving orphan ones [11:53:14] orphan? [11:53:24] but how do I add it to my sidebar tho [11:53:34] not belonging anywhere, not added into any other category [11:53:43] it requires order [11:54:11] [1/2] the only orphan category here is Root - because somewhere things had to be started [11:54:11] [2/2] [11:59:33] [1/6] * enable extension Category tree [11:59:33] [2/6] * go to Special:CategoryTree page and pick a main category, like I did w/ Root [11:59:33] [3/6] * copy URL you got after that [11:59:34] [4/6] * in MediaWiki:Sidebar insert that URL + `|Category tree` [11:59:34] [5/6] gonna look like this [11:59:34] [6/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335217976651026473/IMG_20250201_145917.jpg?ex=679f5e24&is=679e0ca4&hm=e3b332c174fd3a576de7669db2ea1efe45811afa04929fd318f2f8a76c209911& [12:15:36] some images aren't loading [12:27:22] I dont have a root category :( [12:27:32] how do I make one and quickly add every category to it? [12:27:53] [1/2] DNS ISSUES [12:27:53] [2/2] We are aware [12:28:20] [1/4] I brought it as an example [12:28:20] [2/4] you should create categories, and maintain them [12:28:20] [3/4] category is another type of pages, starting w/ `Category:` prefix [12:28:21] [4/4] they act like folders or tags [12:28:28] DNS? Digitalโ€ฆ something Server, right? [12:29:15] Issues Affecting DNS: what did i do [12:29:20] [1/2] ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 23725 [12:29:21] [2/2] PROBLEM - ns2 Auth DNS on ns2 is CRITICAL: No response from DNS xxx: xxx::2000::4089 [12:29:32] whats dns tho [12:29:52] Domain NameServer [12:29:54] Dynamic Name Server iirc [12:30:03] Nรฅ ja [12:30:21] it will mean some users may see NOT RESOLVED errors when browsing domains using our hosted DNS [12:30:37] primarily custom domains and files [12:30:57] [1/3] It can get confusing when other languages are involved-- [12:30:57] [2/3] Like. The Afrikaans for DNA is also "DNS" and that's what I think of first as a result ๐Ÿ˜ญ [12:30:58] [3/3] What usually causes DNS issues? [12:31:22] lots of things [12:32:04] i can't get into monitoring too [12:33:25] Does this affect the Import function? [12:34:26] not yet [12:34:40] it could though [12:35:06] it could pretty much kill everything if we lost both nameservers [12:35:27] i have manually hacked my hosts file so I can get into grafana [12:37:39] i have no idea why it's having any impact tbh [12:38:32] it should be able to fallback to the other ns [12:38:49] but DNS is a fundamentally important but broken protocol [12:42:02] if you're on linux/mac, please feel free to add 38.46.223.205 as the ip for any of domains to /etc/hosts for now [12:48:32] also issue tracker style got broke [12:48:58] yes that's one of the dead things [12:49:00] @rhinosf1 Matomo is also down i think? [12:49:04] Wait [12:49:07] Mattermoast i mean [12:49:08] our entire dns is down [12:49:13] Too many confusing Ms [12:49:34] Which is odd because your message came through as a notif but I can't view it lol [12:49:36] if it's on wikitide.net or a legacy custom domain, there's a good chance it's down [12:49:48] that is wonderful [12:52:06] @originalauthority our DNS setup is supposed to be redundant tbh [12:52:20] it's a fault that we can go down with only one nameserver offline [12:52:27] but then dns is fucked full stop [12:52:59] RIP [12:58:23] @originalauthority about a 35k request a minute drop [12:58:27] mostly impacting static [12:58:30] according to cf [12:59:24] I think @paladox is the only one online who has the necessary access to restart DNS or whatever [12:59:52] is that why i can't ssh into *.wikitide.net [12:59:56] Yea [13:00:16] Use the IP and you should be able to [13:00:51] I think the CDN is down [13:01:11] Rhinos has already established our DNS is down [13:01:12] Phorge itself doesnโ€™t look to be affected but images and CSS and such on it are [13:01:13] yes [13:01:23] you will need ips [13:01:28] i'm getting them [13:01:29] ns2 is down @paladox [13:01:32] read up [13:01:38] not [13:01:59] @paladox 51.75.170.66 [13:02:02] for ns2 [13:02:04] Surely we should be running something that auto retries to bring this stuff back online? [13:02:13] @originalauthority we are [13:02:22] systemd & puppet will both do that [13:02:24] I thought systemd does that [13:02:26] Yeah [13:02:43] I have an annoying issue where systemd keeps restarting consul even though i dont want it to lol [13:02:45] Not related but [13:02:49] puppet did go critical for gdnsd failing to start [13:02:53] I digress [13:03:12] our monitoring reacted perfectly [13:03:23] restarted ns1 [13:03:29] @paladox why [13:03:33] Its ns2 that died [13:03:36] ns2 is the one down @paladox [13:03:40] oh ok [13:03:48] that's with someone else that i have to fine [13:04:00] @paladox OVH London 51.75.170.66 [13:05:14] yeh but we have multiple ovh accounts and it's confusing [13:05:19] found it anyways [13:05:39] @paladox we are now as expected fully down too [13:05:53] rebooted [13:05:55] restarting ns1 was about the worst thing you could have done [13:06:25] phorge is down [13:06:30] Yes we are aware [13:06:39] oh a traffic surge [13:06:43] everything went down [13:06:52] whats the issue this time [13:06:57] @paladox yes it was at the usual traffic surge down [13:07:10] Its coming back noe [13:07:14] Phorge is back at least [13:07:25] @snowstacked paladox restarted the wrong nameserver which took us from a partial outage to a full everything crying for the moment [13:07:29] we should be fully up soon [13:07:44] we're back i think [13:07:47] i can ping [13:07:49] coming back [13:08:07] amazing [13:08:09] ๐Ÿคฉ [13:08:10] Well, what's happened, happened.? [13:08:11] i can get a response using dig [13:08:23] ns2 went down, ns1 was accidentalty rebooted [13:08:27] both are now back [13:08:53] [1/2] Oh that question mark was accidental lmao [13:08:53] [2/2] Part of a sentence I chose to remove-- [13:14:39] @paladox anything in logs? [13:17:07] not as far as i can see [13:21:42] ns1 is down (no network access) [13:23:59] Fuck [13:29:06] ok it's ipv4 works but ipv6 doesn't [13:32:22] how do i massdelete pages? [13:32:53] when we transferred from fandom to miraheze, they included like 2k "MessageWall" pages [13:33:00] and id like to remove those hopefully [13:40:26] ๐ˆ ๐ฐ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ ๐ก๐ž๐ฅ๐ฉ ๐—ฒ๐—ฎ๐—ฟ๐—ป $๐Ÿ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ,๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ๐ŸŽ ๐˜„๐—ถ๐˜๐—ต๐—ถ๐—ป ๐—ฎ ๐˜„๐—ฒ๐—ฒ๐—ธ ๐—ฏ๐˜‚๐˜ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐˜„๐—ถ๐—น๐—น ๐—ฝ๐—ฎ๐˜† ๐—บ๐—ฒ ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฌ% ๐—ผ๐—ณ ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚๐—ฟ ๐—ฝ๐—ฟ๐—ผ๐—ณ๐—ถ๐˜ ๐˜„๐—ต๐—ฒ๐—ป ๐˜†๐—ผ๐˜‚ ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐—ฐ๐—ฒ๐—ถ๐˜ƒ๐—ฒ ๐—ถ๐˜. ๐—ก๐—ผ๐˜๐—ฒ ๐—ผ๐—ป๐—น๐˜† ๐—ถ๐—ป๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฟ๐—ฒ๐˜€๐˜๐—ฒ๐—ฑ ๐—ฝ๐—ฒ๐—ผ๐—ฝ๐—น๐—ฒ [13:41:00] @Discord Moderators [13:41:44] love the bots on Discord [13:56:13] What the fuck happened [13:58:27] mira slipped on banana peel [13:59:39] I told her to stop playing Mario kart [14:19:01] I can discuss here and later post on fedi [14:19:06] Will do after breakfast [14:36:05] [1/2] any way to centre infobox header text? [14:36:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335257371555139676/image.png?ex=679f82d5&is=679e3155&hm=05a0376b5067ca8e3f7bb8f83b5e26b668a1252f55bccd63b0bb8eb9fe0cb9b8& [14:40:33]
/center perhaps? [14:41:01] that's portable infobox [14:41:29] [1/3] `.pi-title { [14:41:30] [2/3] text-align: center; }` [14:41:30] [3/3] in MediaWiki:Common.css [15:09:06] is there any way to get the number of pages in a category and display it as a self updating number in a page? [15:10:30] There's probably a magic word for that [15:10:43] [[mw:Help:Magic words]] [15:10:43] [15:16:13] yup got it [15:31:04] Hi, someone else here uses DataMaps ? I made an unrelated edit and for some reason it stopped working on the page I showing my map and the error message doesn't make sense to me. [15:37:03] [1/2] There, it worked before I made my edit but I was changing few text so unrelated. [15:37:04] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335272714654584903/image.png?ex=679f911f&is=679e3f9f&hm=fd5a5f8557cef72f4aab2a0738930627a40e5057d1efe3999dd1adff2d66557c& [15:42:31] is there a way to rename a user group or do i need to delete it and make a new one [15:44:55] the latter, alternatively u can rename it via MediaWiki if its a builtin one [15:45:21] do not delete default groups tho [16:11:10] it's not a default group [16:11:24] related question, how do i delete a group? [16:12:57] when you choose the group there must be a delete tab I think [16:13:32] ive checked both the "manage permissions" section and in the "user groups list" but [16:13:36] cant find it in either [16:14:42] That button is wonky as hell [16:14:51] Just remove all rights from a grou [16:15:07] mkay [16:24:54] just created a group and it cannot be added to users [16:24:55] why? [16:33:47] [[WR]] [16:33:48] [16:34:03] ohhhh [16:34:15] Unrelated to your question sorry [16:34:22] woops [16:34:22] lol [16:34:22] What error [16:34:33] Just doing some clerking and renaming [16:34:34] [1/2] it just says this [16:34:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335287186685296720/image.png?ex=679f9e99&is=679e4d19&hm=10cb2dd6291327b07599cad489b03d9d1080cf2db6ac8a92303cd1d665123d06& [16:34:37] Oh [16:34:49] Go to ManageWiki/permissions and give crat the ability to grant it [16:34:58] LMK if I missed anything [16:35:03] Waiting on a steward to rename the group [16:35:05] oh right [16:52:59] ok how to add custom font in section [17:15:37] [1/3] ok i need help seeing if there is a template i can extract for mediawiki or the like similar to the mini tabber redirects with pages that may be redirected from disambig pages, etc. however, i have no way how to word it, so here is the mcdonalds example. if someone knows what the heck im talking about @ me please i have no clue for the life of me if there is something similar to thi [17:15:37] [2/3] s at all and ive tried looking OTL [17:15:37] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335297517004263494/image.png?ex=679fa838&is=679e56b8&hm=eb20418844a4d3712d05af6576334debc954015c93963d57d37a88179db1386e& [18:02:18] I edited my post to take this into account. [18:03:10] Appreciate it! Critique is always welcome, just wanted to make sure you had the complete set of information. [18:05:01] And I appreciate the clarification! (BlankEClaireification?) [18:05:07] Nice. ๐Ÿ˜„ [18:06:40] [1/2] anyone know [18:06:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335310367856918641/image.png?ex=679fb430&is=679e62b0&hm=25af3f1b67a529cacd5388d16b773a95305791dc750599a493445a8392425fb6& [18:06:43] what this could cause [18:06:56] trying to add the mbox template to the wik [18:07:13] have added the needed modules (according to the dev wiki) [18:07:16] but [18:07:19] it doesn't work [18:07:47] nvm [18:21:39] Does Trump's new laws have any effect on miraheze currently? [18:22:28] I don't think he's done anything stupid enough yet [18:23:10] not a sentence I would have seen being articulated in a million years tbh [18:23:18] hopefully not nough [18:29:03] Hey, guys. I'm sorry if this is a rather rudamentary question, but I could do with some help importing Templates from Wikipedia [18:29:27] are you sure you want Wikipedia templates? [18:29:59] because there always are simpler ways to implent things [18:30:27] I kind of want to emmulate the style of Wikipedia, but if there's an easier way to do that, then I'd go for that [18:31:05] the thing about Wikipedia is that it's very huge and very complicated so it affects how they make stuff [18:31:35] if you talk about visual appearance this can be achieved at a later stage, tho I don't have examples on my hand [18:32:11] [1/2] we have Dev Wiki which has some simpler stuff [18:32:11] [2/2] we have this guide about [[Infoboxes]] [18:32:11] [18:32:17] [[dev:]] [18:32:18] [18:36:31] Oh okay, this is quite helpful [18:36:50] Thank you [18:37:38] It might make more sense then for me to import from FandomWiki, since I started working on my Wiki there, and I'm mostly just copy pasting what I've written [18:40:10] true, Fandom templates are simpler [18:47:54] uh, hello? [18:49:11] I got GOAT THANKED today ๐Ÿ˜„ [19:02:56] We continue to keep watch for anything that might have direct impacts [19:03:25] We don't currently receive federal grants, so all that spending nonsense doesn't impact us [19:06:01] I mean, if he says that trans* people do not exist and abortion is illegal: may I have articles about those topics in a wiki for midwives or do I have to follow American law? I know it's not your Job to know all the details but I'm worried tbh [19:06:22] That's good though [19:06:50] He can only prevent federally controlled areas of acknowledging trans people [19:06:52] For now [19:07:12] So you are more than welcome to have articles on trans people [19:07:17] Good and bad at the same time... [19:07:38] I already have ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Š๐Ÿ’ช [19:07:44] At the moment wiki content policy has not been altered by political actions from the current presidency [19:08:23] You could use Portable Infobox themed to look like Wikipedia infoboxes with CSS [19:08:53] We aim to keep it that way and will likely partner with bigger groups on that if push should come to shove [19:12:28] Can someone run refreshLinks.php on my wiki? [19:13:47] @cosmicalpha @agentisai [19:18:09] [1/2] That's what I'm trying to do at the moment. I'll admit though, I can't seem to figure out how to add the extension? [19:18:10] [2/2] I'm definitely doing something wrong, but I can't figure out where the place where I'm meant to unpack the file from GitHub [19:18:56] Need to enable in Manage Wiki [19:20:17] Okay, that makes much more sense. I was under the impression that I had upload the file myself [19:21:39] Thank you [19:54:31] [1/13] alright just looking through(mostly nitpicks i just want to clarify, no hostility or disrespect intended) [19:54:32] [2/13] > The wiki reviewers feel overwhelmed, and they thought something had to change. [19:54:32] [3/13] Yeah this is right, although really it was much worse then this, service was being greatly impacted(if people have to wait 9+ days for approval theyโ€™re probably gonna go somewhere else) but nitpick. [19:54:32] [4/13] > In a recently adopted RfC, they unveiled their plan to reduce their workload: AI. [19:54:33] [5/13] We were openly discussing and developing this for months before the RFC was drafted, so personally I donโ€™t believe making it sound like a typical feature reveal is super accurate. [19:54:33] [6/13] > They plan to use an AI to sort through requests for new wikis: automatically accepting some, rejecting others, and deferring some requests to humans. [19:54:33] [7/13] somewhat responding to this and also to the point claire had brought up about bias, any AI decline can always be appealed to a human reviewer by simply updating the request, so if it wrongly declines something because of biases in itโ€™s training data(which I in no way am saying dont exist) the request isnโ€™t doomed. [19:54:33] [8/13] NA already addressed Claireโ€™s other concern, the prompt injecections and mistakes she found were addressed and fixed, which Agent said in reply on the RFC [19:54:34] [9/13] The Microsoft training one I can understand(I donโ€™t like using their service either in this case, environmental impact also being an issue absolutely) but frankly we have to assume good faith that microsoft is going to at the very least follow their own contractually set obligations. [19:54:34] [10/13] Lastly, something that I think wasnโ€™t properly communicated in the post, the Miraheze volunteers (specifically Agent and others in Tech) are the ones who had the idea built and put it up for testing, but in the end it was always the users and communities of Miraheze that could and did form the consensus that yes, we think this is at the least the op [19:54:34] [11/13] timal solution for this issue, not us as โ€˜staffโ€™ or the Board. [19:54:35] [12/13] (And yeah we are keeping a close eye on its approvals and noting things to fix and refine, if things do go royally bad we can pull the plug.) [19:54:35] [13/13] All in all, good post, thank you for voicing your thoughts, appreciated [19:54:42] thats a bit long whoops lol [19:54:50] how do i add tabs into tables [20:11:50] [1/7] I want to add to this as well. In clear words: [20:11:50] [2/7] IN NO WAY ... do we now sit back and relax. [20:11:50] [3/7] I am one of the most concerned Wiki Reviewers. I had my doubts too. [20:11:51] [4/7] So I have and will for the coming week, review every AI approval to see what slips through. [20:11:51] [5/7] I have detected a few that needed to be looked over, but except for one clearly mistake, it's been quite good actually. [20:11:51] [6/7] Today when I woke up, it had already processed 500+ requests. And I only found 1 clear mistake and 3 that needed to be looked over. Those were put through to the team, and they react to that, so that it doesn't happen again. [20:11:52] [7/7] And again... I have plagued them the last week with "what ifs" but so far... it was easy checking. [20:12:44] Appreciate your candor (and keen review) too, Ro. For a day one launch, I'm extremely happy with what we've seen so far too [20:40:41] Thank you! [20:41:09] course [20:42:49] can i change settings for my wiki that are in localsetting.php directly? [20:43:00] like footer n stuff [20:47:08] If they aint in ManageWiki, can need to make a pull request to change thme [20:47:15] or add themn to managewiki if possible [20:47:19] footers are PR [20:47:27] [[User:PixDeVl/TC 101]] [20:47:27] [20:54:19] informative [20:54:20] but [20:54:30] i was asking like if i can do it myself? [20:55:28] yea [20:55:37] thats why i wrote the dang guide [20:59:09] oh i did the basics then lmao [21:00:49] [1/3] i was thinking [21:00:50] [2/3] "if i am even doing this right? should i delete PR and redo? can i even do it?" [21:00:50] [3/3] lmao [21:02:40] https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5796 idk why i messaged it 3 days later though :P [21:10:56] not sure why you changed the alt text [21:11:02] also does that link work for oyu [21:11:16] make a task and link tihis with the PR ready tag [21:12:01] never did these before :P [21:12:04] Hi. I need help [21:12:32] https://dontasktoask.com [21:13:08] Alt text is mainly for people with visual impairments [21:13:34] I asked an AI to make me a code of certain template using the `vardefine` parsec and came up with this: [21:13:52] in phorge? [21:13:56] [1/14] [21:13:56] [2/14]
[21:13:57] [3/14]

{{{title|Default Title}}}/h2 [21:13:57] [4/14]

{{{description|Default Description}}}/p [21:13:57] [5/14] {{#vardefine:i|2}} [21:13:58] [6/14] {{#while: [21:13:58] [7/14] | {{#if: {{{title{{#var:i}}}|}}} [21:13:58] [8/14] |

{{{title{{#var:i}}|}}}/h3 [21:13:59] [9/14]

{{{description{{#var:i}}|}}}/p [21:13:59] [10/14] | [21:13:59] [11/14] }} [21:14:00] [12/14] {{#expr:{{#var:i}}+1}} [21:14:00] [13/14] {{#vardefine:i|{{#expr:{{#var:i}}+1}}}} [21:14:01] [14/14] /includeonly [21:14:17] That is the code, but i'm afraid there's something wrong with it. [21:16:22] Dear Pix, I didn't ask, I just stated that I need help ๐Ÿ™ƒ [21:17:00] [1/2] if ur talking about the links in the footer icons [21:17:00] [2/2] yea [21:17:17] okay ill get working [21:18:41] "title" seems okay, but the "description" seems broken. [21:23:53] [1/2] done as said [21:23:53] [2/2] https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13170 [21:24:04] ehh [21:28:33] I though you were helping me out with this doubt [21:28:52] But I'm seeing you're busy with another stuff. [21:29:35] don't worry [21:29:39] thanks anyway [21:29:42] sorry i could not help ๐Ÿ˜” [21:29:48] i was late [21:32:14] [1/6] On Wikimedia Foundation sites, I see a link in the sidebar under tools with the text [21:32:15] [2/6] >Switch to new parser (Parsoid) [21:32:15] [3/6] On Miraheze, I do not see this option. [21:32:15] [4/6] In my Miraheze global preferences, under "editing," I have set "Use the new Parsoid wikitext parser:" to "According to wiki configuration (default)." I have also checked the box "Enable parser migration tool." [21:32:16] [5/6] Yet, the parser migration tool does not appear for me on any MH wiki. [21:32:16] [6/6] On Wikimedia Foundation sites I have the same settings and the parser migration tool does work. [21:34:28] We do have parsoid maybe I don't remember but a lot of stuff dont play nice with it [21:34:41] PI boxes just are totally broken [21:38:36] OA here spend quite a bit of time trying to fix it IIRC [21:39:03] noticing it kinda [21:39:03] Yeah I know PIBs are broken, I just want to test out whether anything else is broken on my wikis. [21:39:11] idk maybe other stuff [21:39:29] Check preferences or ManageWiki settings [21:39:31] but is it me or we have to input parameters manually? [21:40:03] How is this "x day backlog" of wiki requests calculated? [21:40:18] Whats the formula? Seems like an arbitrary number picked from thin air [21:40:20] cuz its autogened in fandom [21:40:40] [1/3] Just said my relevant preferences. [21:40:40] [2/3] Use the new Parsoid wikitext parser: According to wiki configuration (default) [21:40:41] [3/3] Enable Parser Migration Tool: Yes [21:40:49] Those are the same preferences I have on Wikimedia. [21:41:16] when I was playing with the queue a few days ago I was nibbling at requests from the 22nd/23rd and there was a very long list up to current [21:41:37] I assume the measure had something to do with that, dunno if it accounts for reopens or just new things in queue or something else though [21:49:06] source code is here [22:08:05] [1/3] how can i get the "part of" section looking like this [22:08:05] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335371117904400516/image.png?ex=679fecc4&is=679e9b44&hm=ee7c3a9715021614c05f7283d89ddff937477844bf4ab700475ef380c0ec99d1& [22:08:05] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335371118302855178/image.png?ex=679fecc4&is=679e9b44&hm=7b0eb7652ebc8969cca4daff4b69937963014c67309fed2d21015ebc937a8c22& [22:08:06] It takes the average time between the first and the last request I gues? [22:08:14] what did come first, miraheze or wikipedia [22:09:46] wikipedia by a LOOONG shot [22:12:09] ok [22:12:15] what about wikimedia [22:13:07] wikimedia is the host of wikipedia [22:13:16] Believe so yes [22:14:11] Miraheze started in 2004 [22:15:12] Wikimedia is like main organisation behind Wikipedia [22:16:03] is anyone else having issues with importing stuff [22:16:23] bc it doesnt even buffer for me, just goes straight to 'something went wrong' [22:16:28] if you mean Special:Import - it's unstable by itself [22:17:02] we advice [[Special:RequestImport]] [22:17:03] [22:17:38] is there a usual ETA for that [22:17:52] not that I'm in a rush just curious [22:21:29] What? Wikipedia is older than that [22:22:02] started in 2001 [22:26:36] Arr rust [22:26:37] Ew [22:27:15] I stand corrected [22:27:49] And I knew that actually. :ThinkerMH: [22:28:23] I mean a 4 is just a 1 with an extra line pretty much ๐Ÿ˜› [22:28:24] so what special is going to be held that day? [22:28:30] something atleast [22:29:04] not like fandom's logo change [22:29:07] lmao [22:30:21] MediaWiki started around that time [22:30:43] Wikipedia existed a few years prior but MediaWiki was still a way away [22:33:11] [1/2] We go back to Orain [22:33:12] [2/2] Ey @pixldev ? [22:34:46] I think some things are being planned for our anniversary [22:34:52] @agentisai might know [22:43:04] Found the issue, somehow it worked until the edit but it's the script that was still on 1.42 and now we are on 1.43... [22:47:09] Can someone help with TemplateStyles issue here? https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1335374205839085578 [22:47:31] Seems the Extension isn't working [22:48:12] Disabling and enabling didn't do the trick, neither did purging [22:49:56] Or TropicalWikis [23:01:35] Also, what ManageWiki settings are relevant? [23:09:43] (Though, again, I can't access the parsoid migration tool on any MH wikis despite my global preferences). [23:11:59] You should be able to [23:12:13] Have you turned the beta feature on? [23:13:08] Yeah. [23:13:33] I have "Automatically enable most beta features" and "enable parser migration tool." [23:30:13] [1/2] apparently the new mediawiki upgrade wrecked the wiki logos place and its gona whhh [23:30:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1335391788105465998/image.png?ex=67a00004&is=679eae84&hm=e4cf9fdae8ffc382f26a2fd7f94026e3a713a6c76a4539aebaea76b8bbfd5ac0& [23:44:50] Tabs broke on all the articles on my wiki that use them, but the only way to fix it is to purge the page cache, but I donโ€™t want to have to go to every individual article and purge. Is there a way to mass purge? [23:47:37] I saw Miraheze had the multi purge extension but I didnโ€™t understand how to use it [23:48:53] You can go to managewiki settings and scroll down to $wgTimelessLogo, you'll be able to insert the image for the wiki's logo [23:49:24] You might need to purge for it to show up