[00:12:00] i added the logo for my wiki but now its showing up unsure why [01:34:49] hi, where can i report obvious spambots that registered on our wiki? ive blocked them but not sure if anyone needs to know [01:37:14] #cvt [01:37:51] thank you pixl [06:18:40] Bad gateway [06:19:13] bad gateway [06:20:04] resolved [08:09:43] how I can send announcement [08:10:58] #announcements and #minor-announcements are limited to specific volunteers [08:11:04] What do you think needs announcing? [08:11:16] _is one of them volunteers_ [08:11:51] do you mean banners at the top on your wiki? [08:12:55] no [08:13:09] send message to all users in my wiki [08:13:37] You could use the mass message extension to send to their talk pages [08:13:44] There's no native spam everyone function [08:13:53] you'd have to generate the list yourself [08:16:20] ngl sitenotice (banner) would work better than talk page messages [08:16:48] unless all users aren't on wiki daily and check their emails daily instead [08:16:57] how I can generate a banner [08:17:42] [1/2] edit `MediaWiki:Sitenotice` page [08:17:42] [2/2] the text you'll add here will appear as banner (might take couple of min to start working) [09:41:39] You might be interested in [a dark mode guide I recently wrote](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Dark_mode), which covers some edge cases that you omitted in your css (e.g. when `Color` is set to auto and the class name is `skin-citizen-auto` instead of `-day` or `-dark`). [09:48:47] <_arawynn, replying to notaracham> it definitely wasn't whitelisted - I didn't change anything about visibility and don't even know how to do that XD [10:00:38] why Wikipedia can send message to every user? [10:02:29] [1/3] extensions on wikis are like browser add-ons, can be installed/enabled to add additional functionality [10:02:30] [2/3] Miraheze have lots of extensions installed, each wiki can choose what to enable in administration settings [10:02:30] [3/3] Rhinos suggested MassMessage extension, try to check it? [10:03:38] I don't think there is a literally every user [10:03:50] Do you have an example [10:25:56] Might be Fandom you're thinking of? [10:32:45] ? [10:43:23] [1/2] Fandom the wiki hosting [10:43:24] [2/2] please provide an example of what are you looking for [11:00:16] For example Wikipedia will semd a message for admin vote to users qualified [11:25:13] can i report someone if they are impersnating me on another wiki and just took all my work? [11:26:29] that is worth a message to stewards and/or trust and safety via email [11:27:17] alrighty [11:27:21] do i message on the main site [11:48:31] <34.29cm> [1/2] Hi! Unrelated - I'm thinking of revamping my Wiki's theme some time soon and I've been wondering if I should change its Default Skin as well. [11:48:32] <34.29cm> [2/2] Currently I use vector-2022, but with almost every MediaWiki update, I have to change my CSS because the syntax changes. Is this something that affects all skins, or just some? Is there a skin I could choose that wouldn't be affected? [12:03:32] vector is especially affected by arbitrary changes between versions [12:03:52] more stable ones include timeless and cosmos [12:04:20] almost anything is more likely to not pull the rug under you to be honest [12:04:25] how about vector legacy :p [12:04:36] even that will generally not overhaul itself on a whim [12:05:44] [1/2] the problem in other cases is basically a) is it too old (I don't think timeless is and I think monobook can look good but that's up to you, and modern is a joke) and b) does it have a good future for support, look into this for the skins you would be enabling from the extensions page. Ones that are super obscure, be careful, but something like cosmos is maintained by cosmicalpha, so [12:05:44] [2/2] probably not moving anytime too soon [12:07:39] [1/2] now if you want to stay committed to vector, what you can do is get in touch with a techie for access to https://meta.mirabeta.org/wiki/Main_Page and then check in and maintain a stylesheet there that you can just slap in when miraheze eventually changes. It won't mean less work for you, might mean more if it shifts during testing, but it would give you (and anyone else) a shot to te [12:07:39] [2/2] st things out and be prepared for anything that might break with the upgrade so your troubles by then are minimal [12:08:42] v22 does do a couple of things that are hard to match, for example, the only major skin I know of with built in light/dark is citizen and that can be an acquired taste [12:34:15] <34.29cm> Thank you! So either way, moving from vector seems like a good idea then. I'll look into everything you mentioned! I've never used other themes but I'm looking for a pretty big overhaul anyway [12:37:07] thing about old vector is that it's not mobile friendly [12:38:46] it's possible to modify it to be such, like wiki.gg wikis do, but I'd suggest timeless w/ css tweak to make sidebar one sided, like on vector [12:40:45] timeless, however, is also subject to changes between mw updates [12:41:07] not as drastic as v22 tho [12:46:23] <34.29cm> [1/2] My current settings are like this πŸ€” [12:46:23] <34.29cm> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1377629142908141679/image.png?ex=6839a89e&is=6838571e&hm=76bf53fb91cb5160c13c61ac766fc095ea31ac6ddedd39db18c4820bca5f3416& [13:22:07] Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp38 Varnish XID 507216127 [13:22:34] aware [13:23:55] bad gateway [13:25:55] My gate is fine, thank you! [13:27:05] may have been my fault [13:29:16] who locked the gate 😭 [13:32:05] me [14:11:05] Hey fellas [14:11:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1377650674812321912/IMG_3980.png?ex=6839bcac&is=68386b2c&hm=3dc5ac3354f844fb7b3940869245b2cc7e1df148f2ab070ac43157ce822ab938& [14:12:17] [1/2] A few custom domain wikis now default to the main miraheze page [14:12:17] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1377650759935459369/IMG_3981.png?ex=6839bcc0&is=68386b40&hm=4c1770cc5fce8cea5e4f0dee2518b7dcff3198f64e0bc83ae6333fee7ca9c4f1& [14:14:50] @rhinosf1 @blankeclair [14:15:10] surprised they still work [14:15:29] [1/2] from mattermost: [14:15:30] [2/2] > I'm going to remove the remaining unmigrated domains [14:15:40] rip pressure and phighting wiki they died holding hands [14:15:46] Our domain was migrated [14:15:47] :CerberHuh: [14:15:49] oh [14:15:52] okay that's fucked [14:15:54] then the script was dodgy [14:16:05] This request could not be automatically evaluated. Contact your system administrator for further information. [14:16:15] what does this mean [14:16:20] Guest93: you don't need to do anything [14:16:28] oh ok [14:16:36] hi guest93 [14:16:46] ai assessment failed, a human will get to it manually... uh, when it happens ^^; [14:17:17] Any word on why our wiki is now a landing page [14:17:20] :CerberHuh: [14:17:30] is it on https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/P550 [14:17:33] @mooncloud [14:17:49] Nope [14:17:53] Neither is Phighting [14:18:09] okay [14:18:13] that's super weird then [14:18:19] You helped me migrate the wiki onto cloudflare I think I few months ago [14:18:34] both roblox wikis too https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1355650940778188960/1355650940778188960 [14:18:51] oh wait mh landing page [14:18:54] let me think [14:19:00] It’s probably a more general custom domain thing [14:19:27] the thing is nobody else has brought it up [14:19:40] Don’t worry about it [14:19:44] Go back to pressurewiki discord [14:19:46] :Hopeful: [14:19:51] please hold [14:20:00] _________________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:01] _______________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ11ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:01] _____________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:02] ___________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:02] __________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ11111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:03] _________________ΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:03] ________________ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111ΒΆ [14:20:04] _______________ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:04] _____________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:05] __________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:05] _________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:06] _______ΒΆΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:20:06] ______ΒΆΒΆ11111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:07] _____ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:07] ____ΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:08] ___ΒΆΒΆ11111111111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:08] __ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111111ΒΆ11111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:09] __ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ11111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:20:16] Huh [14:20:18] literal poetry [14:20:23] uh who do we ping for irc moderation [14:20:24] kicked them [14:20:25] NO!! im going back to OFFICIALLY OFFICIAL RETROSLOP MIRAHEZE SERVER!! [14:20:26] LMAO [14:20:30] we're witnessing the resurrection of shakespeare [14:20:31] oh [14:21:22] so glad fischipedia didnt get affected by this issue [14:21:26] all hell would break loose [14:21:33] Fischipedia has its own servers or something [14:21:34] what [14:21:40] please hold if you're complaining about custom domains [14:21:44] _________________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:44] _______________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ11ΒΆΒΆ [14:21:45] _____________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:21:45] ___________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:46] __________________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ11111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:46] _________________ΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:47] ________________ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111ΒΆ [14:21:47] _______________ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:21:48] _____________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:48] __________ΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:49] _________ΒΆΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:49] why is he back [14:21:49] _______ΒΆΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆΒΆ [14:21:50] ______ΒΆΒΆ11111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:21:50] huh [14:21:50] _____ΒΆΒΆ1111111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:21:51] ____ΒΆΒΆ111111111111111111111111111111111111111ΒΆΒΆ [14:22:20] why did I get kicked [14:22:23] I need help [14:22:27] my wiki isn't wotrking [14:22:36] thedeadguy63: don't spam then [14:22:51] I didnt [14:23:03] ip address doesn't lie [14:23:11] and that's the third from one ip [14:23:16] oddly enough phighting still has their little blurb when you enter their link into discord, but pressure doesnt [14:23:22] my school [14:23:31] my classmates did that [14:23:32] dude [14:23:46] thedeadguy63: then get your teacher to join [14:23:56] this is so true [14:24:32] caching skill issue probs [14:25:00] yeah we had our own custom domain from the start iirc [14:25:29] miraheze probably has you on a special server [14:25:31] cpfisch [14:25:34] and dbfisch [14:25:41] next up: mwfisch [14:25:45] LMAO [14:25:53] fuck it, cloudfisch [14:26:01] the vision [14:26:02] i see it [14:26:02] nah we on normal servers just for the joy of bringing down a bunch of wikis with us [14:26:13] hell yeah [14:26:17] i appreciate that attitude xD [14:26:17] For the love of the game [14:26:20] For the culture [14:26:21] evil.... [14:26:26] ope it's midnight [14:26:33] time flies by so fast... [14:27:18] Wiki back [14:28:28] obamna [14:28:41] obamnya? [14:30:41] asko... [14:30:50] hello import [14:32:12] I wonder if miraheze could handle another Fisch-scale wiki [14:32:22] In the event that an official grow a garden wiki is made here [14:32:44] it already exists but fortunately it's pretty lame [14:32:48] it also stole from fisch wiki lmao [14:32:48] 9 million concurrent for a weekly update [14:33:19] also GAG isn't all that wiki-required, whereas for fisch there's a lot of info that you would be missing out on [14:33:37] you just grow bigger and bigger plants, not much info required [14:34:11] not anymore [14:34:40] custom domain change task 2 [14:35:31] anyway i wonder how popular dig, the spin-off sequel to fisch, is gonna be [14:37:00] does anyone think their custom domain is wrongly down? [14:37:39] is it popular if i havent heard of it [14:37:46] omg imagine pet sim x on miraheze... 😡 [14:38:00] Rhinos what was it today [14:38:18] i asked how popular is it gonna be (in the future) as it is not released yet silly [14:38:18] Do you think wiki reviewers secretly wish that Roblox wikis still stop appearing in the wiki request queue [14:38:31] oh i misread [14:39:36] plenty of other silly requests in the sea [14:44:48] me [14:45:00] :zuka_content: [14:45:11] this sentiment exists [14:45:18] it's not universal and I don't share it, but it does [14:45:41] As far as things i wouldn’t want to see in queue, that is pretty far from the bottom [14:45:49] Wait [14:45:51] Top [14:45:54] Far from the top [14:46:23] my opinion is biased as a roblox wiki editor, but like why get mad at children wanting to make wikis for their favourite game? [14:46:46] Putting aside underage user concerns? [14:46:50] yeah [14:47:16] 13-17 (incl.) is still "children" for me [14:47:34] Eh, certainly doesn’t have the same grounding as some other topics [14:49:38] I am not really bothered about it because I do not strictly envision miraheze as a professional resource, am not really grounded in wikipedia which is a lot more 'serious', and think there's plenty of room to pursue a wide variance of projects including things I don't necessarily have a lick of interest in or see the point for [14:50:14] We are far to silly and fun for such nonsense [14:50:21] imagine being serious [14:50:22] that line can be crossed with super high maintenance demands on volunteers and a unique history of drama which is why the arm is twisted on -ball, backrooms, and especially 'reception wikis' [14:50:57] there's more but those are some of the top ones that come to mind [14:51:03] Backrooms I don’t recall actually [14:51:55] backrooms is on a higher scrutiny level because it appears often (or at least it did at one point), has had a few problems, and tends to be just barely distinctive forks of each other [14:52:20] it is a near future hope to get that list officiated or at least public enough, I don't think that's been done as of yet [14:52:22] Bakcroom [14:52:36] the devious frontroom: [14:52:49] it's really -ball and reception wikis that are entire categories of problem and I might be missing some stuff [14:53:10] they forget that they created a wiki the next day and then it becomes a waste of space [14:53:14] roblox stuff hasn't even nearly entered that level despite appealing to a very young audience and probably being the top category risk right now for underage users [14:53:24] crank that deletion policy up then [14:53:28] It was [14:53:29] unfortunately, this is very common and not limited by category [14:53:33] A year ago [14:53:40] damn, crank it up more if needed [14:53:42] Eyes [14:53:42] I just haven’t gotten around to adding part of it… [14:53:46] :NepStare: [14:53:57] I don't think we've implemented proper auto close/delete for next day abandonment which is something in policy [14:54:06] https://github.com/miraheze/CreateWiki/issues/605 eeeerm whoops! [14:54:16] There should be a thing where wikis instantly get in the dormancy policy if the main page isnt updated for more than 3 days [14:54:27] Save some space you know πŸ€‘ [14:54:30] I’m a bit too silly sometimes chat! [14:54:34] might come to that in the future [14:54:44] wasnt the cost of this somewhat negligble anyway [14:54:58] personally I kind of see a path where wiki approval becomes far more liberal however autoclose is far more strict [14:55:05] Someone should probably do this first before updating again [14:55:07] in the first month or so [14:55:28] i absolutely agree with that [14:55:56] Ditto [14:55:59] so in dormancy policy we've got "Minimum time if 0 contributions ", inactivity notice at that point is 15 days and straight deletion comes at 30 [14:56:40] a common practice though is people editing a little in the first week or so, realizing they aren't cut out for this run a wiki thing and then disappear forever more [14:57:13] usually this is caught by policy but there are plentiful cases where they exist as zombies, prodded along by occasional edits from ips or random users who do not return [14:58:43] Or vandals [14:58:57] wonder how accurately you could pinpoint zombies by flagging <=5 monthly edits [14:59:01] Re: miraheze minecraft wiki [14:59:33] that doesn't seem to be a very common instance [14:59:38] [1/2] unrelated but 😭 [14:59:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1377662675269455882/image.png?ex=6839c7d9&is=68387659&hm=f6e04a98d3b39d4ccc381a1d60346b91d31cfe6e5ac4731d6df53182179a2883& [15:00:00] it happens but most cvt traffic is more priority wikis than tackling random stuff that appears across the farm [15:06:45] whats with wikis with custom domains getting screwed lol [15:08:05] seems to have been something botched in the deprecation of a custom domain related feature, which was otherwise proceeding normally for people that would have been directly affected [15:08:12] rhinos can tell more about it [15:49:12] <34.29cm> [1/3] Hi again 🫑 Is there a way to change the appearance/colour of these small icons? (Currently using Timeless) [15:49:12] <34.29cm> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1377675150144569344/image.png?ex=6839d377&is=683881f7&hm=a2d73f392c7ea6eeb56d22c6dfe3806c25bc3fd4974a2723f5e29ca9b24b76d4& [15:49:12] <34.29cm> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1377675150543294626/image.png?ex=6839d377&is=683881f7&hm=4c3c33454813b93e45b5ef1b864d4017827d4349d15c8de986c2190cf657b5a4& [15:57:31] suffering w/ `filter: invert` or upload differently colored icons and set them instead [15:59:43] <34.29cm> I don't mind changing the images, though where can I do that? [16:00:52] css [16:01:08] first you upload them ofc [16:01:55] i took white svg's from indie zelda wiki, it's dark blue and they use timeless as mobile skin [16:03:54] [1/2] example [16:03:54] [2/2] [16:04:47] <34.29cm> I'll look, thank you [16:07:59] that reminds me, I added softcell to the may highlight list in that miraheze monthly thing I'm trying out [16:08:12] oh πŸ‘€ [16:08:15] I'm tempted to pull it for next month when it might have better recognition because it's more than a quiet alpha release [16:08:37] although, man, im just ... not feeling the wiki spirit these days ... [16:08:50] ups and downs are the life I suppose [16:46:07] Is it still screwed for you? [16:47:05] sounds more curious as to why it happened [16:47:49] It happened because of human error [19:31:19] I haven't really had much issues with Equestripedia aside from one or two errors every few days (goes away after a minute) [20:19:52] I now have several topics in #support in there but haven't received a response [20:30:58] From what I see one of them was made 10 minutes ago and the other less than a day ago. The 10 minutes one is not to be counted, the day one is slightly unlucky but I would still advocate patience [21:55:43] So does the AI RFC give us freedom? Or what is the conclusion of the result? https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_Comment/Generative_AI_policy [21:59:05] usage of AI has always been free and remains so...? [22:00:08] only thing that changes/d is that you'll have to disclose it if you're requesting help with code you've generated [22:01:03] ai use should be disclosed when making support requests, to oversimplify a bit, and that is all [22:01:32] ai use for writing code (lua, css etc) to be specific [22:02:26] a notice that ai was involved in creation is also recommended where the content is posted, this would be something like a comment in MediaWiki:Common.css if it was generated for use there for example [22:03:03] proposal 5 is the only one that succeeded and the summary there is all that is to come in effect [22:35:42] can I request having skin:evelution be added back to miraheze [22:35:52] even if it's marked unstable on it's mediawiki page [22:35:53] iridium [22:36:03] wrong thing copied to clipbord [22:36:10] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Evelution [22:40:39] Is Miraheze down? [22:41:09] I can access my wikis. [22:41:11] Nvm it’s working now. How odd. [22:43:13] maybe i should just request and find out [22:43:18] yeah that's what i'll do [23:31:33] that skin had quite a few problems last I heard [23:32:47] [1/2] Well... as I've been experiencing frequent writer's block in recent years, I was thinking of using AI at least for creating alternative history articles. If not 100%, then maybe 25%, depending on the context/topic. [23:32:47] [2/2] Still, I have my doubts. [23:34:48] it is your liberty to do so and ai usage is currently per-wiki discretion [23:37:41] I suppose I should post a β€œdisclaimer” explaining how it is used and hope that there are no issues. [23:39:52] it would be good as a practice, but it is not required [23:40:13] you should know that copyright for ai content is nebulous leaning uncopyrightable at the moment, and the landscape could change [23:41:38] I understand, thank you. πŸ™‚