[00:02:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hispano76, replying to slima11ng> [1/2] Have you seen it yet? https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_customise_the_look_of_my_wiki
[00:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hispano76, replying to slima11ng> [2/2] I am asking so that the other colleagues know and can help you.
[00:04:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> I'll try looking into it, hopefully I can figure out some stuff.
[00:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Thank you
[00:08:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hispano76> hum It might be of interest... or not.  https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Dark_mode
[00:08:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Oh yeah for sure
[00:09:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> I'll probably just make a custom dark theme to fit my specific wiki though
[00:22:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> [1/2] Ok i tried this and it did change the text color but not the background
[00:22:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378166604180881438/image.png?ex=683b9d2b&is=683a4bab&hm=fdff717caf9607687139c2d5357cbe7d1e8e0e0a0db5d4f113998e3b867bce39&
[01:02:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> [1/2] Is there anything like the Portable CSS Pad on Miraheze?
[01:02:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> [2/2] Someone introduced me to it last year and it is so, so helpful so I hope there's a similar tool? Or a way to have it on Miraheze?
[01:25:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to horse14t> you can kinda hack one together
[01:26:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> Oh? How would I do that?
[01:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> what skin are you using? there might be an element that's covering body
[01:30:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> I'm using the default one I got when I request the wikis creation
[01:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin> I think that's vector legacy
[01:31:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Yeah I'll check though
[01:31:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> but its probably that one
[01:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [1/17] i tried but it's not working ^^;
[01:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [2/17] ```js
[01:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [3/17] mw.util.addCSS(`
[01:36:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [4/17] #hackypad {
[01:36:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [5/17]     display: block;
[01:36:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [6/17]     font-family: monospace;
[01:36:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [7/17]     position: absolute;
[01:36:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [8/17]     top: 5px;
[01:36:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [9/17]     left: 5px;
[01:36:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [10/17]     border: 2px dotted black;
[01:37:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [11/17]     width: 50em;
[01:37:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [12/17]     height: 10em;
[01:37:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [13/17]     background: grey;
[01:37:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [14/17] }
[01:37:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [15/17] `);
[01:37:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [16/17] $(document.body).append($("<style contenteditable id=hackypad>/style"));
[01:37:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [17/17] ```
[01:38:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> you can go to Special:ManageWiki/settings then Styling. The name of the skin appears in $wgDefaultSkin
[01:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Alright thank you
[01:39:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Vector-2022
[01:41:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <revolvingunknown> bad gateway
[01:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [1/12] alr, that figures. Usually there's a background-color: #fff rule in .mw-page-container, which covers body. You can either set
[01:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [2/12] ```
[01:42:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [3/12] .mw-page-container {
[01:42:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [4/12]   background-color: #d0c2b7;
[01:42:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [5/12] }
[01:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [6/12] ```
[01:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [7/12] or
[01:42:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [8/12] ```
[01:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [9/12] .mw-page-container {
[01:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [10/12]   background-color: transparent;
[01:42:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [11/12] }
[01:42:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <edwrin, replying to slima11ng> [12/12] ```
[01:42:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> oh alright, thank you a lot
[01:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to blankeclair> [1/2] Damn.
[01:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to blankeclair> [2/2] I do like the name you gave it at least 😛
[01:43:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> it can definitely use a lot of work, hence why it's so hacky xD
[01:43:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> XD
[01:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng, replying to edwrin> [1/2] Takes a while update the css stuff
[01:48:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng, replying to edwrin> [2/2] just gonna hope it works
[01:50:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> It worked
[01:50:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> :D
[02:08:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is there an extension or template somewhere that allows the playing of music on the wiki through something like youtube
[02:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to abaddriverlol> [1/3] Is there a way to swap the Wiki Tools and Category boxes?
[02:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to abaddriverlol> [2/3] So the Wiki Tools are above the Categories?
[02:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to abaddriverlol> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378202464481837097/image.png?ex=683bbe91&is=683a6d11&hm=46030fa49babf7ca64ba28a72bb658c259686dff52f6c20e23235afaa2c22d98&
[03:02:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion, replying to quesquestion> [1/3] I've tried messing around with css I can't find a way to fully make the header on the sidebar completely filled in like it is in the textbox on the main page, I want to do the same with the bottom part highlighted in blue,
[03:02:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion, replying to quesquestion> [2/3] would it also be possible to change the color of links on the sidebar only?
[03:02:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <quesquestion, replying to quesquestion> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378207001838096404/image.png?ex=683bc2cb&is=683a714b&hm=2bbc49429af7adac43a90ca4fb4ac706bfafadd11c0394c2c6f9b45ffeb25850&
[03:14:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell> wrap mediawiki:sidebar in a div class?
[03:15:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell> you could also try finding the div class that wrap the sidebar
[03:21:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <grafixal> Hey, is there any CSS templates I can copy-paste to my wiki so that the infoboxes I created look like the infoboxes from Wikipedia? Especially Infobox person or Infobox officeholder at least
[04:19:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban, replying to 34.29cm> w does rofl mean?
[04:20:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to huannengqizhaban> rolling on the floor laughing
[04:53:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> Hi, a user at my wiki ran into the spam filter while making a legitimate edit. The banner that shows up directs them to talk to me about it. The thing is, I don't actually know how I would get them past the spam filter? I've never had to deal with it before. How does this work?
[04:54:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> [1/2] The banner
[04:54:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378235060041416786/Screenshot_2025-05-31_005346.png?ex=683bdcec&is=683a8b6c&hm=ff0908eeb06803489520d1cd294b6a91f6411bdc2d6e420945c58a3417d430b7&
[05:09:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to grafixal> [1/2] Take a look at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:Infoboxes
[05:09:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to grafixal> [2/2] If you're impatient, just import https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox. Don't forget to copy MediaWiki:Common.css as well
[05:12:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to rottenblock> I would assume it's from Alicesoft wiki? It is logged at https://alicesoft.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog. I'm guessing it's because Jack Sparrow is a new user. You may not be able to disable the abuse filter because it is globally applied, but manually granting him the `confirmed` user group should resolve this issue.
[05:21:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> Thanks, let's see if that works. By the way, how do I check/change the amount of time required to autoconfirm a user?
[05:24:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_groups This says it's 4 days by default, but Jack's account is older than that.
[05:26:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> Oh, I misread. 4 days and 10 edits, and he only has 9 edits. That would do it. Ironically, the edit he was trying to make would have autoconfirmed him!
[05:27:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rottenblock> Thanks again!
[06:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to horse14t> js is usually answer to such things, is this timeless?
[06:16:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to rottenblock> I don't think it can be easily adjusted, and tech might be unwilling to do that because otherwise spam bots will have an easier time. Maybe someone can look into the AbuseFilter since this is clearly a false positive?
[07:11:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> Continuous Bad gateway & Backend fetch failed
[07:32:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i think you should refresh
[07:51:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> [1/3] I have some stuff I wanna talk about regarding certain topics on the wiki I'm working on
[07:51:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> [2/3] with maybe a Steward ? I'm not entirely sure but I do wish to speak privately about it.
[07:51:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> [3/3] If a Steward or admin happens to be available to talk I'd be grateful.
[07:52:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you think it might violate content policy?
[07:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Potentially
[07:53:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> It's not a major part of the wiki but, I feel it's important nontheless
[07:56:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can email to steawards but it'll take time
[07:56:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> I see
[07:57:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> It's not exactly something that we need right now, but it'll definitely come up in the future.
[08:03:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] Sorry to ask but, where should I send the email to ?
[08:03:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] Or do I just email one of the Stewards ?
[08:04:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> actually i doubt now, is it miraheze.org or wikitide.org ...
[08:05:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> miraheze.org ?
[08:05:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> for emails
[08:06:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> everyone else has miraheze emails so
[08:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Not sure
[08:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> they both work
[08:06:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> I am pretty new still so I'm not very familiar with how everything works
[08:07:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> `stewards@miraheze.org`
[08:07:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i guess `stewards@miraheze.org` then
[08:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Alright, thank you a lot
[08:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] my personal view of potential situation, which i assume is in action
[08:08:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] discussions/mentions of taboo subjects are sometime inevitable (say in biographies, some literally works) and are ok as long as it's not encouraging and detailed/graphic and has warning?
[08:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [1/2] yeah if it isn't outright nsfw then it's probably fine
[08:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [2/2] nothing to suggest that warnings are required, but definitely a good thing to do
[08:14:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> yeah it's nsfw wikis who are required to have warnings
[08:42:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Yeahhh uh ... it's complicated
[08:43:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> we might have to censor some stuff potentially. I really wouldn't want a whole separate NSFW variant of the wiki. That'd be too much work honestly.
[08:44:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> But yeah there will be mentions of some uncomfortable topics in a few articles.
[08:44:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [1/2] ok
[08:44:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378292988555563059/image.png?ex=683c12df&is=683ac15f&hm=13511f498b61476f10af252a5301cb94bd03f08b8d213c07cc24b5ff22055729&
[08:44:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> mmm yeah miraheze is suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper slow rn
[08:44:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> refresh
[08:44:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> istg
[08:45:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Refreshing a few times usually works fine
[08:45:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to asko1> already did
[08:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd> still slow
[08:45:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the content warning thing is mainly when it is visual iirc
[08:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> what the content policy says is pretty much the baseline and anything else is smoothing over where it is vague
[08:46:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Now thinking about it, censoring might not do much if we include the source of the images.
[08:47:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> It's complicated.
[08:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> amending the content policy to reduce the ambiguousness of "not-quite-nsfw but also not-sfw either" might be nice
[08:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> I suppose as long as we are at least able to write about it should be fine, we don't exactly have to include all images.
[08:48:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the expectation there is that whatever is nsfw is treated with discretion and if it's more severe it should spoiler or some such
[08:48:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> it's a perspective game, what would you do if, x people you don't want to see straight up NSFW stuff read the wiki
[08:48:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> kid, grandparent, your boss whatever
[08:49:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Yeah I've thought about it and I knew this would be an issue since I started the wiki I'm working on
[08:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> we don't really bash hard on nsfw as long as the broad principles show an attempt
[08:50:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if there is a fair amount but not dominant amount of nsfw to cover then that might mean notices per page, loading spicier stuff further down, and more click to view being baked in and if a source is included that can be inline with the content
[08:50:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Yeah, I really only want to include it for the sake of unbiased documentation of the topic because we feel it's important.
[08:50:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> we don't really aim at sources anyway when it comes to nsfw concern
[08:50:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> that provision was mainly intended to avoid splashing people with tits or something on view
[08:52:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Yeah, because I do suspect that once our wiki is in a state where it's ready to be shown to the public it'll very likely have many below 18 looking into it.
[08:52:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> which is a major concern
[08:53:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed> How can you make it so that you would have to force people into making a mirahaze account before editing on your wiki?
[08:53:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Sorry to have brought a potentially uncomfortable topic here, main reason I wanted to speak privately in the first place.
[08:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng, replying to chop_ed> You might be able to find something in the wiki settings
[08:54:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to chop_ed> disable editing rights for the everyone group
[08:54:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed, replying to asko1> So only confirmed users can edit?
[08:54:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed> ic
[08:54:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed> ty
[08:55:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to chop_ed> the "user" group can also edit by default
[08:55:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> as in, registered users
[08:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> not neccessarily confirmed
[08:55:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> but yeah, I sent an email to the stewards now, I'll see what I get in response from them regarding the situation.
[08:55:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed> is mirahaze awfully slow today?
[08:55:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <slima11ng> Seemingly
[08:58:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [1/2] weird that #tech-ops isnt screaming from high load or anything
[08:59:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [2/2] i wouldnt know much about infra tho
[08:59:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> in a substantial issue it should, perhaps a blip but only someone who can see load numbers could say
[09:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [1/2] feel like it should've screamed already with everyone feeling the slow loading times
[09:01:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [2/2] or someone somewhere is eating some tasty internet cables
[09:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> cant really do much about that last one
[09:17:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Nothing looks that sad
[09:18:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> wack, it's mostly ok now anyway
[09:18:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to asko1> has been appearing frequently than usual
[09:19:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378301965892583555/IMG_0478.png?ex=683c1b3c&is=683ac9bc&hm=2b741a044425e01c46716bfc0452330843fb4de62fd52a9e7f1e94742e35318c&
[09:20:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> That's not good though
[09:20:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> oh jesus LMAO
[09:20:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There's a marked increase in 5XXs
[09:20:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> They are definitely up
[09:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But nothing on the database or mediawiki graphs look sad
[09:21:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Overall requests look up too
[09:22:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> cant wait for this to get fixed so the dedicated editors at irwa can stop posting here 0.1 ns after receiving a 503
[09:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i might be complaining about it, but the documentation of it happening is actually nice
[09:25:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked, replying to asko1> im literally wikipilled....
[09:36:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I don't have a good answer
[09:37:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker, replying to chop_ed> this mf still does wiki stuff? (I havnt noticed it being slow)
[09:38:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I think I've found a maybe issue
[09:38:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ooh
[09:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed, replying to su35.flanker> 💔
[09:38:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed, replying to su35.flanker> How's the mtc wiki going?
[09:38:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> editing might actually be a really addictive substance btw
[09:39:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker, replying to chop_ed> buddy my last edit there was in october last year
[09:39:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed, replying to su35.flanker> ggs
[09:39:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed> they reset all my level progress in mtc
[09:40:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker, replying to chop_ed> what wikis u work on now? I wanna take a look
[09:41:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I've either fixed the issue or we're about to get a million complaints about captchas
[09:42:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed, replying to su35.flanker> It's like wip and pretty barebones. Mainly because I am the only one working on it rn. I've had no time to code the css so I am looking for alternative and inspiration
[09:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to asko1> ikr?
[09:42:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chop_ed, replying to su35.flanker> check dms
[09:43:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to blankeclair> [1/2] "yeah let me fix this typo rq"
[09:43:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to blankeclair> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378307791143571456/image.png?ex=683c20a9&is=683acf29&hm=ab2154b1efed15759eec491b5e14374be20ddaabf88152b9131c4ae91c99a67e&
[09:43:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> o- oh
[09:44:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> bad idea, never make an edit unless you want to never stop
[09:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i get access to some books and papers for free
[09:45:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378308393105887343/image.png?ex=683c2138&is=683acfb8&hm=888b6607dac6f84793dd657d52b41ac99c29f5f62eda65da74012562412ecb24&
[09:45:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to snowstacked> why are you posting this here
[09:46:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> i actually have no idea this is my first time getting a negative 3k byte edit
[09:46:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> somebody should put a doom port on wiki
[09:47:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> absolutely
[10:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [1/6] yes, using insertBefore
[10:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [2/6] ```js
[10:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [3/6] $(document).ready(() => {
[10:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [4/6]   $("#site-tools").insertBefore( $( '#catlinks-sidebar' ) );
[10:03:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [5/6] });
[10:03:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [6/6] ```
[10:33:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker> [1/2] everyone here is irwa creatures 🥀 
[10:33:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker> [2/2] anyways my question, does anyone know of a way to get the moderation extension to send a discord webook for new mod queue items, like how the recent changes one does?
[10:33:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <su35.flanker> is that possible?
[10:34:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> oh hmm, that'd be interesting
[10:34:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> there could be a hook in moderation that it fires, and then discordnotifications could listen on it
[10:34:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> not really motivated to impl that myself though ^^;
[10:34:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i might be tempted into producing the worst code imaginable to make that work
[10:34:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> oh no
[10:35:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> watch as this loser attempts to beat in code she doesn't fully understand, the gameshow
[10:35:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to blankeclair> <https://github.com/edwardspec/mediawiki-moderation/blob/master/lib/Hook/ModerationPendingHook.php>
[10:36:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to abaddriverlol> \o/
[10:43:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> how would one even test this
[10:45:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> install mediawiki >:3
[10:46:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ok bet
[11:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Hi, I need a bit of help, but it's a minor thing
[11:04:12] <BlankEclair>	 nya?
[11:04:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> the url of the wiki didn't turn out as I expected
[11:05:04] <BlankEclair>	 what is it and what do you expect it to be?
[11:05:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> it said that it would automatically add "-wiki" at the end, but it didn't ..
[11:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [1/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWikiQueue/60328
[11:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [2/2] this you?
[11:06:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Yep
[11:07:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I wanted the url to be snagowiki.miraheze.org but it said it would include wiki at the end automatically
[11:07:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ah okay
[11:07:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> so I put only snago
[11:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> guess that part should be renamed...
[11:07:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Is that able to be changed?
[11:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> the database name is the internal name of the wiki
[11:07:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to stefan_57> yeah
[11:07:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Great
[11:07:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/maniphest/task/edit/form/22/
[11:07:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> use the login with mediawiki button
[11:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [1/3] basically:
[11:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [2/3] url is <name>.miraheze.org
[11:08:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to blankeclair> [3/3] database name is <name>wiki
[11:09:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I got a bit confused then hah
[11:10:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> ah, sorry ^^;
[11:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> lmk once you filed the request
[11:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T13784
[11:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I hope I did it correctly
[11:11:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> thanks ^_^
[11:12:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I've been editing wikis (well, a wiki) for years but now this is the first time I make my own and get into the techy side of things
[11:12:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Thank you for your help so far
[11:13:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> renaming ^_^
[11:14:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to stefan_57> you're welcome :3
[11:15:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> done
[11:17:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Cheers
[11:25:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> maybe related to what's going on in #tech-ops , my internet has been acting weird the past couple of days, sometimes pages straight up don't want to load.
[11:26:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> Continuous Backend fetch failed & Bad gateways
[11:26:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> And I did refresh multiple times this time Asko
[11:26:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <snowstacked> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378333843853017098/image.png?ex=683c38ec&is=683ae76c&hm=55da82ae08075d0e0bf90e3ef2b5b2fe08f8488ea6e785a821474849fdc7804e&
[11:27:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jseiler_00500> Same issue here
[11:27:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> a couple of the mw* servers are at 100% cpu
[11:27:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> no idea why though??
[11:28:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> doesn't help that the issue bounces across the entire fleet
[11:29:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> mw... hm.
[11:34:41] <BlankEclair>	 mw stands for MeoW /j
[11:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I was an admin in MicroWiki for 2 years if you've ever heard of it
[11:38:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> So when I see mw I always think of that lol
[11:40:06] <BlankEclair>	 oh lmao
[11:44:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to BlankEclair> MeoWdiawiki
[12:22:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> who has used massmessage as a admin
[12:29:57] <RhinosF1>	 Me
[12:38:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban, replying to RhinosF1> Really?Which wiki did you use this funct
[12:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> would it be funny if he said the meta wiki
[12:39:54] <RhinosF1>	 Metawiki yes
[12:42:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> Cool
[12:42:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> So how do you get the user list
[13:17:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to abaddriverlol> [1/3] It didn't work :/
[13:17:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to abaddriverlol> [2/3] Also, yes, this is Timeless.
[13:17:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t, replying to abaddriverlol> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378361695550050386/image.png?ex=683c52dc&is=683b015c&hm=019a72c8dac922cae63aeb0641d84ba7a960b595fb97dc9e76419d3d6b578d59&
[13:17:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> could you share a link to your wiki?
[13:18:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> I'll DM you 👍
[13:19:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I uploaded a new version of our logo, so it is the recommended size for the wiki icon image, but it still shows as before (several minutes have passed). Do I need to re-upload it with a different name, or change a setting?
[13:19:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> and yes I have refreshed the cache
[13:20:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> It has updated now.
[13:20:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I guess I had to wait a bit longer, lol
[13:21:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [1/7] try
[13:21:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [2/7] ```js
[13:21:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [3/7] $(document).ready(() => {
[13:21:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [4/7]   $("#site-tools").insertAfter( $( '#page-tools' ) );
[13:21:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [5/7] });
[13:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [6/7] ```
[13:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to horse14t> [7/7] instead
[13:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> [1/3] Still won't move
[13:23:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> [2/3] Does an !important need to be inserted maybe? Or is that only a CSS thing?
[13:24:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378363382612365382/image.png?ex=683c546f&is=683b02ef&hm=c3ac494e53a09895eec979ac7f9e6217f59b36b6c3e339187ec4e13807f32324&
[13:24:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> Nvm, it worked! 🥳
[13:24:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378363541807038664/image.png?ex=683c5495&is=683b0315&hm=1ed2413cf091427da43bb8a921c5052b85fd5264d2127f1c993bc35b7e9b8435&
[13:24:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> Nice!
[13:24:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> Site just needed a minute I guess 😛
[13:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> It often takes some time for the cache to invalidate when you're editing JS or CSS
[13:25:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Is it possible to change the font on the wiki?
[13:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> yes, using CSS
[13:25:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> Yeah, I guess I was just being impatient 😛
[13:25:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horse14t> Thank you!
[13:31:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to abaddriverlol> I have located where to edit the CSS
[13:31:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> But the font I want to use, I only have it as a file
[13:32:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> How can I do it?
[13:36:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> what file format is the font in?
[13:36:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to abaddriverlol> WOFF2
[13:37:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I can get another format if needed
[13:37:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> no, woff2 should be fine
[13:37:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> then you need to enable uploading .woff2 files to your wiki, you can do that at Special:ManageWiki/settings > media tab > file extensions
[13:38:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Going there rn
[13:38:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Done
[13:39:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Do I upload the file to the wiki itself (private), or rather to Miraheze commons?
[13:40:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> if you upload it to commons, people who visit your wiki but don't have access to it will still be able to see the font
[13:40:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> if you don't need that, then upload it to your own wiki
[13:41:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Do I need to wait for the upload permission to change
[13:42:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I'm in the Special:Upload and WOFF2 doesn't work/show there
[13:43:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Yup, it has updated now
[13:46:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> done, I uploaded the file
[13:48:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> What next?
[13:49:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [1/2] go to the file page of the font and then copy the link similarly to the one shown in the screenshot
[13:49:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378369744016773151/image.png?ex=683c5a5b&is=683b08db&hm=8ddfa726e5f48b3a065289d80c7e34c4738d0e31c87e33ba71df5d93ca6cf612&
[13:49:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Done
[13:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/11] Then you can add the following CSS to MediaWiki:Common.css:
[13:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/11] ```css
[13:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [3/11] @font-face {
[13:50:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [4/11]     font-family: "fontname";
[13:50:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [5/11]     src: url("https://link.to.your.font.woff2") format("woff2");
[13:50:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [6/11] }
[13:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [7/11] body {
[13:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [8/11]   font-family: "fontname", sans-serif !important;
[13:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [9/11] }
[13:50:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [10/11] ```
[13:50:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [11/11] Replace "fontname" with whatever you want to call your font within the CSS. Replace the URL in `url("")` with the url you just copied
[13:51:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> `sans-serif` is the fallback font that will be applied if your custom font fails to load for whatever reason
[13:52:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378370565219418243/image.png?ex=683c5b1f&is=683b099f&hm=1dc494191c992910a863caa41272292e7bebef67e127fa2763777440469e3396&
[13:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Did I do it correctly?
[13:54:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> you need to update the font name in line 8 from "fontname" to "Izhitsa"
[13:55:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Makes sense
[13:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Done
[13:55:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Now I just have to wait?
[14:00:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> yeah, it might take a bit due to caching
[14:01:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Alright, tysm!
[14:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> you can try ctrl + shift + r to reload while bypassing your browser cache
[14:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> it works!
[14:55:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to stefan_57> Sorry for bothering again, anyone know how to make it also apply to page titles, headings, etc.?
[15:21:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_dreamcatcher> hi i have a small question, if i turn my wiki private would people be able to see it and navigate if they have a link to said wiki?
[15:22:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to _dreamcatcher> they would only see the main page
[15:23:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <_dreamcatcher> i see thank you
[15:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to _dreamcatcher> only users w/ member role would be able (manually assigned by you), normal users won't
[19:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [1/9] I'm not sure whether there's a better way but the most straightforward solution would probably be to replace
[19:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [2/9] ```css
[19:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [3/9] body {
[19:10:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [4/9] ```
[19:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [5/9] with
[19:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [6/9] ```css
[19:10:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [7/9] body, h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {
[19:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [8/9] ```
[19:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stefan_57> [9/9] (which selects all heading elements as well)
[19:11:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to abaddriverlol> Thanks!
[19:11:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> No problem!
[19:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <episode.aigis> how do i make the font used for text different, and is there a visual editor similar to...fandom (scary)
[19:12:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [1/3] When reporting this, please include the information below:
[19:12:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [2/3] Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp38 at Sat, 31 May 2025 19:12:38 GMT
[19:12:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [3/3] Varnish XID 568492051, serving 84.225.77.87, 10.0.19.146 (your IP!).
[19:13:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [1/3] When reporting this, please include the information below:
[19:13:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [2/3] Error 503 Backend fetch failed via cp38 at Sat, 31 May 2025 19:12:38 GMT
[19:13:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stephanustavilrond> [3/3] Varnish XID 568492051, serving <IP obscured>
[19:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thesnailphilosopher> ^ getting the same error
[19:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to stephanustavilrond> This is currently a known issue
[19:13:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> Same.
[19:14:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> I'm doing the report now.
[19:14:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> It's been happening frequently. Was happening yesterday to.
[19:14:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> I  reported it but was told to just refresh but it's just killing my editing vibe. 😦
[19:14:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marvelknight28> I was about to ask the same, it has suddenly increased a lot today
[19:15:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to episode.aigis> There is a visual editor, you can enable it at Special:ManageWiki/extensions
[19:15:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> [1/2] This is what I get.
[19:15:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378451801556258888/image.png?ex=683ca6c7&is=683b5547&hm=55a6ac1815598a7c5a1d31ed7c567629da85b43a58cea8497f7869475e85b19f&
[19:15:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> I've also noticed slowdowns too. takes  a while to preview a page, or to save an edit.
[19:15:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <episode.aigis, replying to abaddriverlol> thanks.
[19:16:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> [1/3] hello, i'm using the visual editor to list stuff in wikitables but whenever i publish the changes the site always changes it to the second image, i don't know how to fix it and it's quite annoying. does anyone know how to make it look like the image on the left (how it appears in visual) when i actually save the changes?
[19:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378451975754219731/Screen_Shot_2025-05-31_at_12.13.40_PM.png?ex=683ca6f1&is=683b5571&hm=9e830eab538b1be11264f295d877bd7cf93dc630b3c8b1e353232e6d695f23e2&
[19:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378451976198557856/Screen_Shot_2025-05-31_at_12.10.50_PM.png?ex=683ca6f1&is=683b5571&hm=f826b97822f3f77ec9b6c1c179c7915370ab7b8a5a8b24610766d64870f2079e&
[19:16:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> UUuh, a hackey way could be using <br> whre you want the new line to be? =p
[19:17:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yeah, visual editor can be kind of odd with consistent formatting in tables, may be better to go into source editor to clean it up
[19:19:13] <Lingo2>	 i think Miraheze is down
[19:19:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic, replying to horus_ra_wiki> thanks so much!!
[19:19:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> [1/2] Oh, I'm getting this ow when I try to add a report...
[19:19:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378452872089440256/image.png?ex=683ca7c7&is=683b5647&hm=eee618c8963d96dcb041350489a7f7e59f69bc6b24c530d7064ba62c7bfa5e33&
[19:19:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rocratic> i'm not very good at source editing but it's def more reliable
[19:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> pure wikitext wont betray you
[19:20:11] <Lingo2>	 Something went wrong
[19:20:11] <Lingo2>	 If this keeps happening, let us know.
[19:20:12] <Lingo2>	 When reporting this, please include the information below:
[19:20:12] <Lingo2>	 Bad gateway
[19:20:13] <Lingo2>	 The web server reported a bad gateway error.
[19:20:27] <Lingo2>	 it just keeps saying this
[19:20:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> #tech-ops  indicates that some things are down
[19:21:45] <Lingo2>	 its fixed now
[19:21:55] <Lingo2>	 ;nvm
[19:22:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> It's intermittent.
[19:22:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <horus_ra_wiki> But now I can't edit it at all. Pages hang or show the error. 😦
[19:22:24] <Lingo2>	 oh
[19:22:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> it doesnt look like cp38 (idk what that is) hasnt recovered yet
[19:24:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> pinging @rhinosf1 as this doesnt seem like a short hiccup
[19:25:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Ye we know
[19:25:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But we don't have any good information yet
[19:25:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> fair, but now the people can rejoice, since they know you are working on it
[19:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to finsanity> cache proxy server fyi
[19:26:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> cp* is cache proxy
[19:26:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> unfortunate acronym, tomorrow you might wake up banned from discord
[19:27:05] <Lingo2>	 wow im the only person using irc
[19:27:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to Lingo2> One is than usual
[19:27:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> what can i say, discord is easier for us plebs
[19:27:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Claire still goes on IRC where she started, but discord is easier, Rhinos depending on how he feels
[19:27:52] <RhinosF1>	 Lingo2: no you're not
[19:27:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Me if im bored
[19:28:00] <Lingo2>	 oh
[19:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Other wikimedia folks sometimes
[19:28:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whentheh_> [1/2] The [miraheze server status](https://wikitidestatus.net/) website shows nothing.
[19:28:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whentheh_> [2/2] Perhaps it's a server disruption?
[19:28:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> Don’t look at our main and arguably most important policy
[19:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to whentheh_> @rhinosf1 can you hit that please
[19:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> we forget that page a lot of the time unfortunately, typically more focused on actually doing work to fix the issue to remember the update that
[19:29:30] <Lingo2>	 i think cp38 is back
[19:29:43] <Lingo2>	 RECOVERY - cp38 HTTPS on cp38 is OK: HTTP OK: HTTP/2 404 - Status line output matched "HTTP/2 404" - 4037 bytes in 0.065 second response time
[19:29:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> MacFan is the main person who updates those
[19:30:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ironic the IRC exclusive techer is the socials and status page guy, among other things of course
[19:30:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> that just gives credibility to his skills
[19:31:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Mhm
[19:31:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If you ever see a post on our Mastodon or other accounts, bet money it’s him
[19:32:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> miraheze needs a funny social media guy to really break into the market
[19:32:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> or to tank the reputation completely idk, depends on how it works out
[19:32:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> No, my atlassian account doesn't show much useful
[19:33:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whentheh_> https://tenor.com/view/wikipedia-wiki-spin-wikispin-wikipediaspin-gif-16745606004972556052
[19:33:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> I’ll volunteer
[19:33:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ok you need to have no life and reply to every reply
[19:34:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> :ChocolaStareSide:
[19:35:31] <Lingo2>	 dont let miraheze become the next duolingo when it comes to marketing, we all know how that turned out
[19:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ok but miraheze actually has a great product
[19:36:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> instead of 3 AIs in a trenchcoat
[19:36:26] <Lingo2>	 true, very true
[19:37:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> (dont ask anyone about how much power the wikirequest AI has)
[19:37:41] <Lingo2>	 i mean i kinda see the wikirequest AI as not very good
[19:38:04] <Lingo2>	 but it's ai, we can't expect 100% accuracy
[19:38:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> if they made good ai, most everyone would be out of jobs
[19:38:35] <RhinosF1>	 The AI was brought in because of the sheer volume of requests and the lack of reviewers
[19:39:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> obviously you didnt try modifying the terms of service to allow for forced volunteers
[19:39:59] <RhinosF1>	 I think that's called slavery
[19:40:19] <Lingo2>	 AI manipulation is a real thing
[19:40:49] <Lingo2>	 so i'm hoping that Miraheze at-least has some sort of moderation when it comes to this ai stuff
[19:41:08] <RhinosF1>	 The AI is well tested
[19:41:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> isnt ai manipulation ground for vaporization
[19:41:20] <RhinosF1>	 And also the AI will only ever review once
[19:41:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to RhinosF1> not if they agreed to it!
[19:41:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yes, we went through an extensive trial period of kicking the tires and hardening against different manipulation and prompting tactics
[19:41:42] <RhinosF1>	 If you don't like it, you can simply reopen your request and a human will review
[19:42:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Attempts to intentionally manipulate or trick the into approving things it shouldn't isn't necessarily grounds for vaporization on first attempt, but you will definitely be earning yourself a request wiki block for some time
[19:43:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to Lingo2> dont worry ill turn it into duolingo when it was good
[19:43:45] <RhinosF1>	 It really depends on what the intent was
[19:43:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Highly depends on what the person was trying to do and their overall history with the platform
[19:43:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Yep, exactly
[19:44:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to pixldev> we need a mascot
[19:44:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> there have been proposals
[19:44:27] <RhinosF1>	 Like you could make a very easy argument that intentional prompt engineering with malicious intent is illegal
[19:44:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I thnk Xena's wiki bee is the best
[19:44:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> WIKI BEE!!!!!!!
[19:45:07] <Lingo2>	 illegal doesn't stop people from doing it
[19:45:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> HIS ANTENA ARE BRACKETS
[19:45:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> I LOVE IT!!!!!!!
[19:45:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> *him
[19:45:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> would buy merch if i had disposable income
[19:45:50] <RhinosF1>	 Lingo2: no but we have engaged with authorities where malicious attempts to attack the farm have been made before
[19:45:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to Lingo2> No, but if its enough of a MAJOR problem, means we can hand it to the FBI
[19:46:08] <RhinosF1>	 Never since WikiTide Foundation took over
[19:46:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> That clown who was trying to look into merch design and production needs to get his fucking ass moving on that
[19:46:30] <RhinosF1>	 We did a few times under Miraheze Limited
[19:46:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ooh i would love to hear more about those
[19:47:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> right @rhinosf1?
[19:47:22] <Lingo2>	 who would need to damage a non-profit company anyway like
[19:47:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (This is a joke)
[19:47:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Yes
[19:47:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Lingo2, hooboy, we've had some characters.
[19:47:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to Lingo2> People who live sad lives, sadly
[19:48:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to Lingo2> why would people vandalize wikipedia
[19:48:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> The reasons haven't been good, but they've had them
[19:48:04] <Lingo2>	 like who
[19:48:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> and 2b2t players
[19:48:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to asko1> I took 3 ddos attacks against us to Notts Police
[19:48:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> oh damn who got so angry
[19:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> to warrant ddos attacks
[19:48:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I have nothing against 2b2t wiki we host to be clear
[19:48:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> And the ongoing once-in-a-while Fisch DDOS attempts.
[19:48:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> 2 were closed eventually for a lack of investigate routes to identify anyone
[19:48:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> That is still hilarious
[19:48:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to notaracham> purely out of love ❤️
[19:48:56] <Lingo2>	 ddosing miraheze is actually crazy, probably just got their wiki not accepted or smth and got pissed off
[19:48:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> oh yes
[19:49:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I forget Asko is Fischpedia staff
[19:49:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> 1 we found someone responsible but it was across international borders and local police did nothing
[19:49:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Who spends their money on DDOSing a roblox game?  Baffling.
[19:49:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to Lingo2> Hahaha, nope
[19:49:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> nuhuh im just among us like everyone else
[19:49:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to notaracham> We've never taken criminal action I don't think against the fisch attacks
[19:49:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I don't believe so.  Did we have anything concrete enough to action?
[19:49:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to notaracham> Not really ours to find
[19:50:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [1/2] oh damn like actual ddos attempts against fisch
[19:50:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [2/2] i thought you guys meant we were taking down the servers
[19:50:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> They already do it to themselves lmfao
[19:50:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @asko1 didn't Grow a Garden cause service disruption for Roblox/
[19:50:41] <Lingo2>	 umbireeee
[19:50:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to pixldev> yes
[19:50:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> It was a Miraheze user who provided intelligence directly to police for the one attack we found someone of interest
[19:51:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> oooh
[19:51:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But US police did nothing about it
[19:51:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> aw man
[19:51:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So unless that kid ever visits the UK on a holiday there's little we can do
[19:51:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> pull a valve move and invite them over for a job interview
[19:51:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> thank you FBI very cool
[19:52:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> lmfao
[19:52:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> actually
[19:52:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> does MHL still exist
[19:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Believe so yes
[19:52:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> what's a MHL
[19:52:41] <Lingo2>	 when tf did miraheze got ddosed
[19:52:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to asko1> I'm not that harsh
[19:52:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Lingo2: quite often
[19:52:57] <Lingo2>	 how much
[19:53:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Couple of times a month
[19:53:07] <Lingo2>	 once a month? once a week? twice a year?
[19:53:07] <Lingo2>	 oh
[19:53:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> its a matter of how much of a shit it makes us give
[19:53:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We stuck Cloudflare in front, it blocks most of it
[19:53:43] <Lingo2>	 wow someone must be dedicated into ddosing miraheze tf
[19:54:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to rhinosf1> yeah i could tell by the not having a slavery clause in the tos part
[19:54:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> @asko1 I highly doubt we'd actually end up going to court even if we ever did manage to get the kid responsible for the Sept 23 ddos arrested
[19:54:35] <Lingo2>	 how bad was the sept 23 ddos
[19:54:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> these darn criminals
[19:55:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> is there even anything that cf doesnt get?
[19:55:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Lingo2: it caused a lot of trouble for a few weeks
[19:56:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Time to time, it happens.  Partly why we're deprecating the legacy DNS stuff and pulling custom domains under its protection.
[19:56:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> expensive
[19:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> well
[19:56:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> if its criminal charges, we dont pay lawyers right
[19:56:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> No
[19:56:45] <Lingo2>	 weeks is fucking crazy ngl
[19:57:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I doubt cps would authorise charges against an American teenager for ddosing a wiki farm over an argument on a game
[19:57:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We might go send them on a cyber awareness course
[19:57:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Hard agree.  I've been Miraheze'ing too hard though, and need food.  Bye folks.
[19:57:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> But I doubt going through the full court system and sending an American teenager to prison over here would be in the public interests
[19:58:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Or anyone interest
[19:58:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> yeah that'd be a waste
[19:59:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to rhinosf1> Yeah
[19:59:21] <Lingo2>	 ddosing someone over a GAME?
[19:59:24] <RhinosF1>	 Yes
[19:59:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Only punishing people like that does nothing
[19:59:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> you would not believe what can happen on the internet
[19:59:42] <RhinosF1>	 Most of our DDOS' have come from Minecraft players
[19:59:52] <RhinosF1>	 More so Roblox communities since fisch
[19:59:59] <RhinosF1>	 There are some really toxic communities
[20:00:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> hey chat everyone whos had to deal with illegal stuff raise your hand
[20:00:13] <Lingo2>	 me
[20:00:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ✋
[20:00:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I'm half raising cause I'm honestly not sure at this point!
[20:00:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> (this is a joke. mostly>)
[20:01:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Do I need to have a chat with you @pixldev ?
[20:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> is this a desensitisation joke
[20:01:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> go away mom
[20:01:32] <Lingo2>	 my full address got leaked and they said they're gonna hire a hitman to kill me, that was when i was 11 btw
[20:01:40] <RhinosF1>	 ....
[20:01:49] <Lingo2>	 guess they never did
[20:01:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to pixldev> bro if it's not gonna be mom, it's gonna be the white-cloaked doctors in the padded cell
[20:02:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hm
[20:02:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> how about we focus on the good parts of the internet instead
[20:02:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> miraheze
[20:02:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> super cool i think
[20:02:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We are pretty cool
[20:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> and not that far off being a decade old too
[20:03:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> i have one to share with the class
[20:03:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to pixldev> Go on
[20:03:22] <Lingo2>	 let me hear it
[20:03:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i thought miraheze was like at best 3 years old when i first came upon a mh wiki
[20:03:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> we're somehow nearly a decade old
[20:03:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://buildabearwiki.info/wiki/Mini_Beans_Mint_Tardigrade_Water_Bear
[20:03:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://buildabearwiki.info/wiki/File:MB-MintTardigrade.jpg
[20:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> LOOK AT GIM
[20:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378464076275122259/250px-MB-MintTardigrade.png?ex=683cb236&is=683b60b6&hm=687109134b38c06562a874df7854223adf65b07aa58bf372af03ead2744d7517&
[20:04:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> We have wikis for everything
[20:04:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> oh my god he is tiny
[20:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I wonder where my old build a bear is
[20:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> [1/2] and big bro
[20:04:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1378464177819226164/250px-MintTardigrade.png?ex=683cb24e&is=683b60ce&hm=2a2ff67979fe04521bd6f8ba08aa3306fe924a48233d199b1b742458bd15ccda&
[20:04:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> OH MY GOD
[20:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> this guy but he just keeps getting bigger and bigger
[20:05:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i need like 5 size increases
[20:05:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> tower of mini beans mint tardigrade water bear
[20:06:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> another piece that makes me happy to see when it happens https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/615786602454581249/1370172464570699837
[20:06:49] <Lingo2>	 never heard of build a bear
[20:06:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> also
[20:07:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> what does he get a bandana or smth
[20:07:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://tenor.com/view/seal-gif-19970564
[20:07:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> the wealth of seal photos on the 'net
[20:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> magnificient
[20:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> and of course
[20:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://tenor.com/view/ferret-spin-spinning-right-round-gif-26206302
[20:08:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> wait are we getting off topic
[20:08:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Maybe...
[20:08:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I banish ye... to the #offtopic zone
[20:08:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Baaaaaah who we kidding we've been for 20 minutes
[20:09:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> https://tenor.com/view/falling-spin-explode-jeff-shark-gif-344592334861687411
[20:09:35] <Lingo2>	 this feels like 2019 again when the internet was actually somewhat decent
[20:09:45] <Lingo2>	 now it's just filled with people crying over politics and shit
[20:09:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> internet is still there, it's just a whole lot more centralized now
[20:10:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> so you wont happen upon the fun silly stuff as much
[20:11:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> its just more burried
[20:11:59] <Lingo2>	 buried*
[20:12:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> burrito*
[20:12:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ok but come join us in off-topic
[20:13:17] <Lingo2>	 burro*
[20:13:34] <Lingo2>	 how the hell am i gonna do that in irc
[20:13:52] <Lingo2>	 what channel is it
[20:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> #miraheze-offtopic
[20:13:59] <Lingo2>	 thankkk youuuu
[20:17:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Anyone use AWB on Linux through Wine?