[00:05:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to euphoria.holic> Hey, feel free to DM me or reach out to ts@miraheze.org
[00:07:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> I will be back at keyboard in a few hours
[00:19:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> [1/2] Are logins not working?
[00:19:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387225659872641114/image.png?ex=685c9212&is=685b4092&hm=2b9c20e31725e83d950460c80ed55d79a04a79f59a4098070037c644dfe30290&
[00:21:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> Apparently it's also reporting that the logging has been cancelled to prevent session hjiacking
[00:24:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Usually a clear of browser cache or waiting a bit solves it
[00:26:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> instructions unclear, ate cookies
[00:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yonic_soseki> Thanks!
[00:29:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel, replying to asko1> I mean that would get rid of them, so seems instructions were pretty clear 😛
[00:30:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> :3
[02:06:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <mister__pepper> `big-brain solution: tell your browser to throw away the cache and the cookies so this never happens again`
[02:37:07] <Chijd>	 hi i want to ask again about how to fix my multiple image template, looks like it is broken:
[02:37:07] <Chijd>	 here's the link to the article with broken template: https://chidurianwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Ciut%C3%A9
[02:37:08] <Chijd>	 here's the link to the template: https://chidurianwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Multiple_image
[02:54:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [1/8] What exactly do you want it to look like? If you want it to be shown on the right. Add
[02:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [2/8] ```
[02:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [3/8] .tright {
[02:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [4/8]     float: right;
[02:54:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [5/8] }
[02:54:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [6/8] ```
[02:54:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [7/8] to your `MediaWiki:Common.css`
[02:54:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [8/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387264613749493810/image.png?ex=685cb65a&is=685b64da&hm=646a64d89018146d496e1063b10fa1f4fa280a3bd4aa4e9b579eb6cff6dfefab&
[03:03:32] <Chijd>	 hi i just disconnected is there any fix yet?
[03:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [1/8] I guess I'll send it again.
[03:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [2/8] What exactly do you want it to look like? If you want it to be shown on the right. Add
[03:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [3/8] ```
[03:07:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [4/8] .tright {
[03:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [5/8]     float: right;
[03:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [6/8] }
[03:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [7/8] ```
[03:08:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> [8/8] to your `MediaWiki:Common.css`
[03:08:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387268094367367208/image.png?ex=685cb997&is=685b6817&hm=a7250188632bf72c5d25b8353bdbd95a118c08bce6abbb3cfb6393af0c4f3b36&
[03:09:09] <Guest97>	 Wow. Discord messages look horrible on IRC. I guess there's only so much MHRelay can do.
[03:10:14] <Chijd>	 yeah i want it to be to the right and also gets the frame back
[03:11:43] <Chijd>	 but where do i put the code, like on the bottom after all the code?
[03:53:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to Chijd> In `MediaWiki:Common.css`
[04:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> i MADE this wiki
[04:15:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387284970317414450/image.png?ex=685cc94f&is=685b77cf&hm=7637dc60b013a56f275c83a6145b4b37c9449cdd514ca82e984be1650ecbebed&
[04:15:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> why cant i add this guy to a whitelist role io made
[04:15:33] <BlankEclair>	 LMFAO
[04:15:37] <BlankEclair>	 oh
[04:16:01] <BlankEclair>	 did you allow yourself to promote them in Special:ManageWiki/permissions/{sysop,bureaucrat}?
[04:16:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ^
[04:16:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> i dont think i did
[04:16:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> how do i do this
[04:16:58] <BlankEclair>	 e.g. https://rainverse.wiki/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/permissions/sysop#mw-section-group
[04:17:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> what am i
[04:17:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> a bereaucrat?
[04:18:04] <BlankEclair>	 i presume so?
[04:18:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> AH OK
[04:18:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> it worked
[04:18:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> thank you
[04:18:09] <BlankEclair>	 yw
[04:18:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> why was this off in the first place
[04:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> renaming bureaucrats to beeracrats for oktoberfest
[04:19:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to cat.bread> all new custom groups are by default unassignable
[07:45:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> [1/2] Thought I'd add some examples while I'm on it. https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_customise_the_look_of_my_wiki#Examples
[07:45:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> [2/2] Timeless seems to be the best skin when it comes to customization, while vector-2022, vector, citizen, and cosmos are rarely customized. Some of these already have good defaults (citizen and cosmos), while the two vectors are probably picked by those who don't care about customizing their wiki.
[09:31:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> How I can import images from Fandom
[09:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> [[import]]
[09:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Import>
[11:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [1/14] ```css
[11:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [2/14] #content {
[11:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [3/14]     position: relative;
[11:40:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [4/14]     background: rgb(var(--bg0));
[11:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [5/14]     padding: 20px;
[11:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [6/14]     border-radius: 10px;
[11:40:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [7/14]     box-shadow: 0 0 20px rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.5);
[11:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [8/14]     margin: auto;
[11:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [9/14]     transition: width 0.3s ease-in-out;
[11:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [10/14]     color: rgb(var(--fg0));
[11:40:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [11/14]         z-index: 2;
[11:40:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [12/14] }
[11:40:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [13/14] ```
[11:40:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <suomigrace> [14/14] Somehow this- makes the page inaccessible i cant click anything lol
[11:49:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> @pixldev
[11:49:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> Cool guy
[11:55:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to posix_memalign> the dark mode is kinda questionable...
[12:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [1/4] Speaking of dark mode, my infoboxes look awful in dark mode. I can only read the text when I highlight. How can I change it so the infobox also turns dark?
[12:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387404051553189939/Screenshot_2025-06-25_050416.png?ex=685d3836&is=685be6b6&hm=af1f86be7c9326fc2b078dd37e52b6f989d35c38f15582837dfbd73f7267043d&
[12:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387404051888607323/Screenshot_2025-06-25_050425.png?ex=685d3836&is=685be6b6&hm=8f133a71e19affeea88dfa1b6b2af20850c5e513723b215c51ed9c85368f92be&
[12:08:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387404052282867732/Screenshot_2025-06-25_050430.png?ex=685d3836&is=685be6b6&hm=b2955966947cba350edd71b437b594e728403fcc6c1a702f8a693e1ec5c97dbe&
[12:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [1/22] ```<infobox>
[12:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [2/22]     <image source="image"/>
[12:08:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [3/22]     <data source="type">
[12:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [4/22]         <label>Type/label
[12:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [5/22]     /data
[12:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [6/22]     <data source="age">
[12:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [7/22]         <label>Age/label
[12:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [8/22]     /data
[12:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [9/22]     <data source="power">
[12:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [10/22]         <label>Power/label
[12:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [11/22]     /data
[12:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [12/22]     <data source="occu">
[12:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [13/22]         <label>Occupation/label
[12:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [14/22]     /data
[12:08:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [15/22]     <data source="loca">
[12:08:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [16/22]         <label>Location/label
[12:08:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [17/22]     /data
[12:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [18/22]     <data source="first">
[12:08:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [19/22]         <label>First Appearance /label
[12:08:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [20/22]     /data
[12:08:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [21/22] /infobox
[12:08:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [22/22] ``` this is the template for my infobox
[12:32:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to sawn.dnh> is that a vector skin?
[12:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> or what skin is that?
[12:33:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> link to page would be easiest to repro tbh
[12:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [1/2] It’s the timeless skin. Here’s the page/wiki in general
[12:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> [2/2] https://nociceptionwiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Aleron_Bayard
[12:42:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> it seems like the dark mode filter property "totally" did the job
[12:43:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [1/8] to solve it, i use this code in order to make it actually follows the invert when it's in dark mode
[12:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [2/8] ```css
[12:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [3/8] @media screen and (prefers-color-scheme: dark) {
[12:43:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [4/8]     html.skin-theme-clientpref-night .portable-infobox {
[12:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [5/8]         background: #fff
[12:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [6/8]     }
[12:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [7/8] }
[12:43:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [8/8] ```
[12:46:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> my fix for vector-2022's dark mode broke Extension:DarkMode
[12:46:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> brilliant
[12:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh, replying to sc172> Do I put this in the template itself or in like the general css?
[12:52:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to sawn.dnh> as far as i know, since the issue is only happened the timeless skin, add it on MediaWiki:Timeless.css
[12:53:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> remove the body.skin-timeless class since it's already on timeless
[12:54:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [1/2] this is what the result would look like if it's added
[12:54:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387415712146133022/image.png?ex=685d4312&is=685bf192&hm=965c58a8af569704df1e9af798419147f80b03f7275d206b13e6c43f076e9154&
[13:01:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> It doesn’t seem to be working, it’s giving an error saying Warning: Element (html.skin-theme-clientpref-night) is overqualified, just use .skin-theme-clientpref-night without element name.
[13:02:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to sawn.dnh> that's no problem, just save it
[13:04:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> I did but they look the same. Do I just need to wait a while?
[13:10:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sawn.dnh> Oop! Yep it’s working I did just need to wait. Thank you so so much!
[13:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to sawn.dnh> [1/2] If you put it on a personal css sheet it’s almost instant.
[13:11:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart, replying to sawn.dnh> [2/2] That’s useful for testing
[13:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redhandsome128> hey guys, how do i turn off ability to view IPs, i want it to exclusive to Bureaucrats only
[14:17:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Hi guys sorry got someone editing on my Wiki and I genuinely don't know how to block them
[14:25:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redhandsome128, replying to redhandsome128> hello?
[14:25:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <redhandsome128> anyone
[14:28:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to redhandsome128> no one but checkusers (miraheze stewards) can see the IPs of logged in users?
[14:28:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> and everyone can see the IPs of logged out users
[14:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> instead of ip editing, just create a new account to not get doxxed without trying
[14:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to redhandsome128> [1/3] Local admins can’t see the IPs of registered users, only Miraheze [[Stewards]] (us) can, and only when absolutely necessary (e.g. in abuse cases), under a strict [[NDA]]
[14:40:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to redhandsome128> [2/3] Unregistered users have their IPs shown instead of a username. If you're a bureaucrat on your wiki, you can require registration by disabling edit rights for unregistered users
[14:40:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to redhandsome128> [3/3] For more detailed or official info, check out our [[Privacy Policy]]
[14:40:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/3] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards>
[14:40:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/3] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/NDA>
[14:40:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [3/3] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Privacy_Policy>
[14:41:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to crystalite13> What
[14:41:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to kiju1108> (also local checkusers but I don't believe anyone has those)
[14:43:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to asko1> Yep, I don't think any local communities have actually appointed their own CheckUsers so far
[14:47:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to redhandsome128> [1/2] I don't think there's a way to hide IP of anons, it's like MediaWiki itself like that
[14:47:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to redhandsome128> [2/2] Wikia used to that by themselves, on very old versions of MediaWiki
[15:07:50] <Guest5>	 Hello
[15:08:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> hello
[15:08:20] <Guest5>	 I have a question
[15:08:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ask away, no need to ask to ask
[15:10:48] <Guest5>	 Okay sorry. I just made a new wiki on Miraheze called GovLex. I wanna edit the permissions of the wiki so that only users that I confirm can be able to edit so I won't get vandalism raids. but when I go on ManageWiki they say i can only see the permissions but not edit them even tho i'm the administrator. Any reason why?
[15:11:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> silly question, but you are logged in, right?
[15:13:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to Guest5> To clarify, are you the bureaucrat of the wiki? Only bureaucrats can change settings in ManageWiki, being just an administrator isn’t enough
[15:13:48] <Guest5>	 I think I am a bureaucrat. I just created the wiki not even 10 minutes ago and yes I am logged in
[15:13:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> I wanna say them being a bureaucrat is implied through "I just made a new wiki", but you never know
[15:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> huh
[15:14:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> could it be that there was some issue assigning permissions?
[15:14:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> it would be helpful if you could provide a link to your wiki
[15:15:19] <Guest5>	 govlex.miraheze.org
[15:15:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> Just wanted to check if maybe you accidentally removed the permission or delegated it to someone else
[15:15:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to Guest5> Thanks for the URL. I’ll take a look
[15:16:09] <Guest5>	 Thanks!
[15:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> `bureaucrat` has the `managewiki-permissions` right, hmm
[15:16:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> Odd
[15:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> Guest5: Any chance you're logged in with a different account, could you double-check that you're signed in as "JojoNugget13"?
[15:18:51] <Guest5>	 i'll check
[15:19:53] <Guest5>	 I'm so dumb. I'm going to the managewiki of the support miraheze wiki and not my own. I'm so sorry for wasting your time I'm half asleep rn
[15:20:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> haha, happens lol
[15:20:29] <Guest5>	 anywho thanks for your help!
[15:21:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> No worries at all lol, totally get it
[15:26:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Help, can I link to another wiki (non-miraheze) (with their consent) for their files?
[15:26:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> So I could do like [[File:mw:Flag of xyz.svg]] ?
[15:26:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/File:Mw:Flag_of_xyz.svg?action=edit&redlink=1>
[15:26:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> ah, not mw since it's taken
[15:26:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> mcw i guess
[15:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to stefan_57> policy wise or technically loading
[15:38:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to pixldev> wdym?
[15:38:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> sorry im not good at this lol
[15:38:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Are you asking if you're allowed to or if you're able to display images from other sites
[15:39:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to pixldev> Both, I guess
[15:39:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I know another wiki which does it
[15:40:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> for the former, no issues
[15:40:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387457527054073856/image.png?ex=685d6a04&is=685c1884&hm=09f7b2e77207a066d82bc4b16ed134f60a0ca5fb1d1c44c78c9f68296c8867d6&
[15:40:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I'd need the mw one
[15:41:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> It's easier than having to upload so many flags manually
[15:41:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Do I have to apply for it or something like that?
[15:41:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> mw is default for mediawiki.org
[15:41:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> we can name it mcw
[15:41:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> or something idk
[15:41:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you should be able to add interwiki by yourself
[15:41:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> on your wiki
[15:42:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> not sure about image rendering tho
[15:42:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I don't know how
[15:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I can't edit Special:Interwiki of my wiki
[15:42:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to stefan_57> check if bureau group has interwiki permission , add it if it doesn't
[15:43:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Do you mean existing flags ? I ask because usually when I link to a file that doesn't exist it tends to pull the globally available one when it exists
[15:43:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57, replying to aels224> Files from microwiki.
[15:43:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I can pull from wikipedia commons
[15:43:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Ah okay.
[15:44:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Just wanted to be sure.
[15:44:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I'd need the ones from mw too, since there's hundreds and I'd rather not upload them manually ... if possible
[15:45:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <aels224> Yeah I feel you, one of the reasons I had to use bulk upload on mine. But yeah if you can just link them it would be nice.
[15:45:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I can now access "Add a local interwiki or language prefix" on the Special:Interwiki
[15:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Can someone guide me through it so I don't mess up?
[16:39:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Something is terribly wrong with the user perms
[16:39:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> people cant edit
[16:39:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> anybody can check and fix please
[16:55:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> you might wanna allow users to read pages
[16:55:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i.e give them the `read` right
[16:55:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> they say they can see the pages
[16:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> but cant edit
[16:56:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> the wiki was previously set to private, maybe I forgot to change something?
[16:57:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> just add the `read` right to the user group
[16:57:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> they cannot edit without it
[16:58:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> oh, it did not have that
[16:58:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> wonder why
[16:58:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> well, it still doesnt work
[16:58:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> huh
[17:00:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I even give them confirmeduser manually and it doesn't work
[17:01:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Please help
[17:04:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> @stefan_57 disable the `LockAuthor` extension
[17:05:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> it makes so that people cannot edit pages they haven't created
[17:05:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> why was that even on ..
[17:05:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> thanks
[17:05:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> let me check with them now
[17:06:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> I think it finally works
[17:06:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i can edit now
[17:06:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> Great
[17:06:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> But the user rights perms I tried to edit are probably all messed up now
[17:06:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <stefan_57> We'll see
[17:10:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <verdessence> it's ok guys, i will make it last 60 minutes
[17:28:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> okay im out of time out
[17:28:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> im sorry for joking
[17:28:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> :SkullCry:
[17:28:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> i was gonna send the actual thing but i forgot to hit send and i went to the bathroom and forgot
[17:28:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <afterglou> 😭
[17:46:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Please remember, this is the general support chat for the miraheze project. #offtopic is the right place for jokes. 🙂
[18:00:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to sc172> Very few wikis can ensure that their css is both dark mode compatible and mobile friendly. Too much to ask.
[18:01:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to blankeclair> I think I fixed it in a subsequent commit. Just not deployed yet. The fix only works for logged-in users due to an Extension:DarkMode bug.
[18:04:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> One day I'll learn how to use gerrit and submit a patch to this https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T396102
[18:08:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [[mw:Gerrit/Tutorial]]
[18:08:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Tutorial>
[18:09:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> and [[wp:WP:BEBOLD]]
[18:09:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WP:BEBOLD>
[18:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> close enough
[18:10:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [[wp:BEBOLD]]
[18:10:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BEBOLD>
[18:17:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[WP:HELP]]
[18:17:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:HELP>
[18:18:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> No that’s Wikipedia help not HELP I HAVW TO USE GERRIT
[18:18:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> LOL
[18:59:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> anyways
[18:59:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> [1/2] any thoughts on how the wiki looks and what i can do to make it look nicer
[18:59:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> [2/2] https://ubg.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[19:03:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13, replying to pixldev> Hey pixdevl
[19:03:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> hi I'm trying to submit a request
[19:04:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to crystalite13> hi?
[19:04:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> for the takedown of an inactive wiki taking up space for the same game that I want to make a wiki for, are links not allowed to be sent in support forums?
[19:04:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to roxasranger> Links are blockdd if you're not verified
[19:04:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> sigh
[19:04:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> for anti spam
[19:04:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> alright
[19:05:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13, replying to pixldev> Remember that one time I said I like cleaning kitchens
[19:05:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> And you said as a joke to clean yours
[19:05:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> I'll go verify, thanks for letting me know.
[19:05:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> And you sent me an address in Washington
[19:05:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> How do i verify?
[19:05:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to roxasranger> If its a request to action something, #support may be the wrong avenue
[19:05:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> I don't know what else I am to use
[19:05:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If it's a formal request for action from global staff, [[SR/M]] may be better
[19:05:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/M>
[19:06:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> or [[SR/UD]]
[19:06:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/UD>
[19:08:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13, replying to pixldev> I’ve arrived in Washington
[19:08:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> you know that was the address of the Pentagon right
[19:08:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387509891182362866/IMG_0469.jpg?ex=685d9ac8&is=685c4948&hm=0558a14450cbd91e1698ca17e133e6938c4105fb53456df544fc587a16b97459&
[19:09:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <crystalite13, replying to pixldev> I did it lol
[19:26:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> Yo, encountering an issue on my wiki where CirrusSearch is not showing any search results unless you type an exact match.
[19:26:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> I thought it would stat working after a few days, but it hasn't changed. Do I need to enable some setting for it to start indexing pages?
[19:31:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to 90gq29> do you have titlekey extension enabled by a chance?
[19:47:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to cat.bread> I think it looks really good. The sidebar tools have a slight shade of white in the background which you may want to remove.
[19:49:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> I submitted a deletion request with the tool, but I don’t see it anywhere, it’s still there, right?
[20:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to roxasranger> Seems like it's not there, tool may be acting up (god I hate when it does this :crying:)
[20:04:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> Ah
[20:04:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> I need to rewrite my request
[20:04:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> Again
[20:04:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> Unfortunate
[20:06:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to roxasranger> if it doesnt work, ill add it myself
[20:10:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> Alright
[20:16:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Nope.
[20:16:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger, replying to pixldev> I don't think it worked the second time either
[20:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> No idea what the issue is.
[20:16:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> do you want me to dm you the request?
[20:17:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to roxasranger> Sure, I can add it myself  and you can sign
[20:17:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> alright
[20:20:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> sent
[20:21:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> thank you
[20:28:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <roxasranger> if you wouldn't mind, please ping me when the request works or goes through, and again, thank you for your time!
[20:55:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [1/2] I'm surprised by how many people prefer the Spartan look of Vector 2022. There are quite a few people who prioritize usability above all else. Perhaps we should tell users that half-baked customizations are worse than no customization at all.
[20:55:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387536754726408312/image.png?ex=685db3cd&is=685c624d&hm=14c663dd69a8609caa3774daa11657ef750e754d14f161fe2e7eae498e43bcbb&
[20:57:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> i also like the spartan look of vector 2022
[20:57:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> it makes it look wikipedia-esque
[20:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> i still wanna make a few changes to make my wiki look distinct compared to others (i.e the sidebar)
[21:28:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel, replying to posix_memalign> I mean... a poll with 8 votes doesn't tell anything about general opinions...
[21:43:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to gummiel> That's as much as I can get... I'd say 3/8 implies that there is a high confidence that > 10% of all users actively oppose adding a background image.
[21:44:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Maybe I should've pinged people because there are over 300 people in the server, though very few bother to vote in the poll.
[21:44:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> no, anything/8 implies you don't have a high enough sample size to say ANYTHING about the general opinion.
[21:46:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I think it depends on what you are measuring. The number 30 for CLT applies to measuring a number, not a binary opinion.
[21:47:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Suppose 10% of the population oppose beautifying the wiki, the probability of 3/8 samples (or more) voting "no" can be computed.
[21:47:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> yeah 8 votes would at most say something about the relatively tiny proportion of people who might be observing at a given time. Personally I've seen enough reception wikis to say that no effort sometimes really is better than nothing
[21:48:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> that sentence came wrong
[21:49:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> vector by default is at least a consistent design whereas messing with that can produce exquisite eyesores in the wrong hands. In the right hands of course it can prove quite nice. I would be relatively confident in an agent + petra attempt to beautify meta although I lean pretty conservative on what coordination wikis should do
[21:50:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> people may prove more receptive to a clear proof of concept and may be coming at it from the perspective of not wanting a poor background choice having seen too many examples of what isn't so good
[22:04:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> poll closed while i was in bed lol
[22:05:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> [1/4] I think this is equivalent to tossing an unfair coin that lands on head with 10% probability. In 8 tosses, 3 landed on heads. The probability of 3 or more heads is in the picture which is 0.038, so chances are there are more than 10% of users who oppose adding a background. There's probably a proper way to do this in statistics (Bayesian inference?)
[22:05:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> [2/4] . 
[22:05:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> [3/4] Though as Raidarr said, the way this question is framed is much more important since people have preconceptions of what changes a background can introduce. Customizations usually have subtle broken corners even if editors try really hard.
[22:05:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1387554366793191544/image.png?ex=685dc434&is=685c72b4&hm=7052ada8996c540c5bf4397c6926f79183846f56d99cab442fc20c2156c6bacc&
[22:06:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to raidarr> I was surprised by how unreadable some of the wikis are when looking for customization examples. It's hard to imagine a wiki of more than 20 active users can have such a user-unfriendly interface.
[22:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> wait until you see a customised wiki while not using their skin
[22:07:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> fisch wiki with anything but timeless is quite an experience
[22:07:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> degrees of lewdity wiki
[22:07:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> good luck reading the nav boxes
[22:07:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> i think the only wiki that has bothered to style their wiki for all skins is utg
[22:08:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> iirc
[22:08:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to blankeclair> i have a feeling quite a few people wont read the wiki at all
[22:08:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to blankeclair> Ah it's the classic dark mode situation
[22:08:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to asko1> it's an example that i'm aware of :p
[22:08:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> :3
[22:21:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> hi @blankeclair
[22:21:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> how r u
[22:42:34] <BlankEclair>	 pixldev: "Comedian Jonathan Nemmer expressed dismay that Brazil is 'a country that takes comedians’ jokes seriously but treats politicians’ actions as a joke.'"
[22:44:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to BlankEclair> Did you know someone got hit with a chair during the debate for the election of mayor of São Paulo? IIRC
[22:44:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> The largest city in the southern half of like
[22:44:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Earth
[22:44:21] <BlankEclair>	 uhhhhh no ^^;
[22:44:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And by someone I mean a candidate
[22:44:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> By another candidate
[22:44:41] <BlankEclair>	 i-
[22:44:45] <BlankEclair>	 i wanna know the circumstances
[22:45:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> must've been one heated debate
[22:45:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Both were horrible people iirc
[22:45:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> So don’t feel bad for wither
[22:45:23] <BlankEclair>	 > wither
[22:45:32] <BlankEclair>	 four soul sand blocks + three wither skeleton heads
[22:45:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Oh yeah he was hospitalized
[22:45:49] <BlankEclair>	 oh
[22:46:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://apnews.com/article/brazil-marcal-chair-datena-attack-debate-c5781f54d5583067b2a57494b9339081
[22:46:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> if they ever get deadlock they should just start throwing chairs until the last person standing
[22:46:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> ez fix
[22:46:52] <BlankEclair>	 https://www.theverge.com/news/692227/netflix-games-delisting-hades-braid-gaming-strategy
[22:46:54] <BlankEclair>	 beautiful
[22:46:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> wait this is getting #offtopic
[22:47:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to asko1> And then burn the city to the ground
[23:50:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> Just to be sure, so what is the db cluster, that corresponds to cloud20, mentioned in https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1387576438781251738
[23:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [1/3] was told mw201 and mw202 are on it
[23:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [2/3] what's on them? don't know :3
[23:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> [3/3] not documented at [[Tech:Server usage]] either :(
[23:54:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Tech:Server_usage>