[00:00:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] nope, nvm, didn't work
[00:00:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390119856267067503/image.png?ex=68671980&is=6865c800&hm=87829cf0dae873fd1fd12d1e86519ca364821fcce8048b7caddc88f08ce4ed33&
[00:02:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] okay THERE, god
[00:02:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390120430517616650/Screen_Shot_2025-07-02_at_8.02.03_PM.png?ex=68671a09&is=6865c889&hm=95469b2a0a3f9b0aa28119d6286aaf662a7cde246e456a7c4c2ae9e5b827b85c&
[00:02:41] <BlankEclair>	 you have been accepted by god :pray:
[00:03:31] <Skye>	 the omnissiah has blessed thee
[00:26:20] <MacFan4000>	 MW 1.44 is out!
[00:27:17] <Skye>	 can we start sacrificing wikis for testing yet
[00:28:15] <BlankEclair>	 we're already struggling with a patch version of mw 1.43
[00:28:16] <BlankEclair>	 i don't think so
[00:28:46] <Skye>	 hold on let me just make more breaking changes in 1.43.3
[00:28:57] <Skye>	 surely i can squeeze some awful patches in
[00:40:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Is there a way I can view all special pages associated with a skin?
[00:53:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] all i wanna do next is fix the background so that it's positioned correctly and is fixed to the screen
[00:53:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390133299799789708/Screen_Shot_2025-07-02_at_8.52.30_PM.png?ex=68672606&is=6865d486&hm=c7260603ab197c3a8bc28ac6fe365834fa51f0365549ebf519df0128e72c0525&
[00:53:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> then i'll focus on actually making articles
[01:39:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] k how do i get rid of this border thing
[01:39:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390144846848856174/Screen_Shot_2025-07-02_at_9.36.35_PM.png?ex=686730c7&is=6865df47&hm=4b63b5db31038d532d272a459b0f2c26bfb44c705d10f7e410457df5fa0e0ac8&
[02:51:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390163055840854078/image.png?ex=686741bc&is=6865f03c&hm=4efaf9b103a565c4cfc17b1277a680be9b537a234fb6538128688b2a6de847a0&
[02:51:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> oops wrong reply
[02:51:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390163120353443940/image.png?ex=686741cb&is=6865f04b&hm=4be722cad91016c13de8ff7308b9208ad6df4cd3609eb3eaa6cfdfb5b9bd1ef1&
[02:52:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> that'll be added on timeless.css
[04:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> can i change the title to an image with displaytitle
[04:26:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> [1/2] and also how do i make this category go away
[04:26:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390187030536781944/image.png?ex=68675810&is=68660690&hm=6e8387440c2e34dc43b587bcf90d057ac14eaeac4441b6bd87fedf7c2a8d195c&
[04:27:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> (i'm using TabberNeue
[04:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> [1/2] and if possible, can i turn the iron fist text here into an image (i tried DISPLAYTITLE and it didn't seem to work)
[04:38:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390189939697647616/image.png?ex=68675ac6&is=68660946&hm=115c61014521d0a2c40e6f36ddbac7c9945e53c47f573077bfbf75bc737f0a95&
[04:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to cat.bread> add `HIDDENCAT` ([[mw:Help:Magic words#HIDDENCAT]]) to the category's page
[04:42:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Magic_words#HIDDENCAT>
[04:47:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to cat.bread> you could probably do some css wizardry to either layer an image over it or style the text to look similar to the image (if the image is of the name's appearance in-game), but i dont think there's any extension or mediawiki default thing that would support changing the title to an image
[04:49:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity> there's probably various accessibility and not-recommended-css reasons for doing the first option though
[04:56:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to finsanity> css might be the only way
[04:57:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> though it's kinda complicated to put it out
[04:58:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread, replying to finsanity> motherFUCKER
[04:59:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> i guess i have to scrap this then
[04:59:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> 😔
[05:02:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <finsanity, replying to tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> should probably ask in #tech
[05:17:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair, replying to tsfavoritecraftinglady1997> link to wiki please
[05:17:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> honestly, we should collate a list of borked wikis
[11:04:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if we were all in on possible enforcements of copyright, miraheze would be a small, dim platform
[11:04:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I would rather avoid that outcome as long as feasible
[11:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> again, the nature of game wikis is usually to show things precisely they're like in game, and game devs understand that and even support that
[11:25:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> most of the time it simply is not a problem and if it is there are stable procedures to handle that
[14:15:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> The Usagi Shima Wiki lost it's styling
[14:21:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/2] This feels very cursed
[14:21:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390336689507139666/image.png?ex=6867e371&is=686691f1&hm=6f61c217a4c9f9737548ea7df323700f705a49b7c318535f28355a92aa7dbca5&
[14:23:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> is your CSS in common.css and do you use mobilefrontend
[14:32:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to asko1> this bug happens regardless of how you view page? (desktop or mobile mode)
[14:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> yea mobilefrontend causes common.css to not load on both desktop and mobile
[14:34:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> amazing
[15:05:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ucronista_> Hello, I am Hispano76 but now I am using the Ucronista account. That reminded me, is there a “rule” of number of local/global editions to vote in Meta? I can't remember and I can't find it hehe. I say this in case they ask around and I want to help again. 😅 🙃
[15:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex, replying to sc172> [1/3] okay, not quite what i was going for
[15:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex, replying to sc172> [2/3] i wanna get rid of the thing blocking my background
[15:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex, replying to sc172> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390348099142029476/Screen_Shot_2025-07-03_at_11.05.19_AM.png?ex=6867ee12&is=68669c92&hm=2652915d820718d711c20f14a26a2ef44120d35386a5c90c986b1d771004fac3&
[15:24:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> just add background: 0;
[15:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> on the same rule i put out before
[15:27:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex, replying to sc172> done, just gotta wait for it to update and see if it'll work
[15:42:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex, replying to sc172> it worked! cheers, man!
[15:43:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [1/2] now i just need to figure out how to add the parameters to the visual infobox editor
[15:43:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390357181097971843/Screen_Shot_2025-07-03_at_11.42.16_AM.png?ex=6867f687&is=6866a507&hm=e5b4c7c4b29b65dae6d1a839b9af4b15feb69a6ccc82f04a957695e4d0b5b1ba&
[15:43:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> there's an option to edit the templatedata where you can configure the desired parameters you want
[15:44:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> on template namespaces
[15:44:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel, replying to ucronista_> [1/2] I don't believe so, though keep in mind, things like request for comments etc. are NOT just a matter of votecount, but consensus. Ie, if someone have a really good reason for why something would be rejected, even if it is say, the only oppose(which is ofc, unlikely to actually happen, but just to put it to the extreme), and there are MANY supports, but most wi
[15:44:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel, replying to ucronista_> [2/2] th little actual reasoning, it might still end up being rejected
[15:45:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel, replying to cartoonosaurusrex> You need to add stuff from the TemplateData extension to the infobox template page, for that to work
[15:56:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sc172> ^this
[16:32:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex, replying to gummiel> what's the specific syntax to add to the template? i have the templatedata extension on my wiki
[16:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to asko1> [1/2] Mobilefrontend should be off
[16:35:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths, replying to asko1> [2/2] I haven't touched css or extensions recently
[16:36:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> interesting
[16:36:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to ghaztliousmoths> Does it still happen or was it a temporary issue?
[16:37:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [1/2] Looks like this for me
[16:37:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390370808140140754/image.png?ex=68680338&is=6866b1b8&hm=2c802c0ee1f596b48ae4cdbbdd2dcd796401c729360058bafb86bbcc9393c798&
[16:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [1/3] Weird...
[16:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [2/3] I just checked rn on mobile (im currently away from laptop) and it too lacks styling
[16:38:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1390371136856133682/Screenshot_20250703_193808_Chrome.png?ex=68680386&is=6866b206&hm=37ec07a2b5438af346af1c2cdfaf46a3a026aabfcc09cf9825abbd381ea233a3&
[16:40:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <abaddriverlol, replying to ghaztliousmoths> Try clearing your cache, if that doesn't fix it, check the browser console (on PC) if there are any errors
[16:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghaztliousmoths> Oki, I'll update once I'm back on my laptop
[17:50:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cartoonosaurusrex> Man, making a wiki has got me in way over my head
[17:59:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i mean, being an admin differs significantly from user
[18:00:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gummiel> It is indeed a LOT more work, than most realise
[19:27:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread, replying to gummiel> yeah
[19:27:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> ive edited wikis before on a smaller basis
[19:27:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cat.bread> but creating one from scratch is a whole nother beast
[20:46:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ucronista_, replying to gummiel> Okay, thank you.
[21:26:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marelover> How do I edit CSS for specifically light mode or dark mode
[21:41:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to marelover> [Dark mode guide](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_improve_the_dark_mode_appearance_of_my_wiki). Probably an overkill for your question, but it might be worth it to learn how dark mode works.
[21:42:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> What you want to achieve also depends on the skin/extension you are using, so that also needs to be taken into account.
[21:48:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marelover> Cool, I'll read that and see if I can figure it out
[21:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marelover> My follow up question is, am  I going to have to make a Steward request if I want the dark theme / light theme toggle visible to logged out users? It was trivial to add when I was running my own installation of MediaWiki, but I can't find a way to do it on Miraheze.
[21:52:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to marelover> Are you talking about `wgVectorNightMode['logged_out']`?
[21:52:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marelover> Yes
[21:55:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Requests like this usually go to [[Phorge]] since the tech team is responsible for changing MediaWiki configurations. I think this is a common enough use case that it can be added to ManageWiki so that all wikis can toggle this themselves.
[21:55:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[21:57:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I remember looking at https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/blob/main/ManageWikiSettings.php and trying to figure out how to add this config value in there, but I got distracted and never found out how to deal with nested options like this one.
[22:00:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <asko1> impressive documentation https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:$wgVectorNightMode
[22:02:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> `Default behavior is unknown` (i.e. it changes based on WMF's whim and is therefore difficult to have up-to-date documentation)
[22:15:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> default behaviour is vibe coded /j