[00:04:28] Is it normal for the wiki to completley dissapear from search results? We used to be like 5th, now it's not even findable [00:05:17] i hate seo [00:06:09] Hate it too, but haven't really done much excpet list it on google [00:06:18] Did that maybe prevent the site from getting indexed? [00:21:32] i am once again asking, how do i change the font sizes for Miraheze [00:29:53] [1/2] Did you get Google Search Console access? See [guide](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:NotAracham/WikiSEO_-_Improving_Search_Ranking) for how. [00:29:53] [2/2] This is the first step in debugging issues. It'll at least tell you what pages from your wiki are indexed. [00:29:54] random guess: html { font-size: 20pt; } [00:30:43] Yes, I do have acsess to the console. [00:31:25] I think I should have followed the SEO guide better, but at the same time I'm also worried that it's been completly delisted. [00:32:04] I did recently create a Lot of pages and haven't yet filled them with content fully. I've heard that impacts results. Is the impact as big as making the entire site go to zero? [00:32:27] [1/2] Then the Console should tell you which pages are indexed, then. [00:32:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397013388181246085/image.png?ex=68802d9a&is=687edc1a&hm=ecef6075cea0ea43385aa6e20f636850fac580090f2feea3026cba9272b6f38b& [00:32:54] Google's algorithm is a mystery, so we can only guess... As long as you have some content in them, I would assume it isn't too bad. [00:33:38] [1/2] Do you observe drops in your average position? Does "Total impressions" go down to 0? [00:33:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397013686689857616/image.png?ex=68802de2&is=687edc62&hm=694ae698faf883cfdef2c9927c01fcaf87a04d0a3e6b416e037e42444a2aab00& [00:34:00] Yes, everything looks indexed, and the pages that aren't are the correct ones. [00:34:17] Yeah they have infoboxes and basic links, i'm constantly updating them anyways. [00:35:30] Oh yeah, total impressions just hit zero yesterday [00:35:50] Actually, 2 days ago, to be exact. It's already past midnight [00:37:04] Google's data is also somewhat lagged, I find that it usually trails 2-4 days behind current and will appear to be zero until it has data to display. [00:37:55] So this may just be a temporary scare? [00:37:58] But sometimes it doesn't? I dunno GSC is a weirdo [00:37:59] yes [00:38:48] I wrote the SEO guide in question, 100% the biggest thing is making sure sitemaps get submitted. Google takes its sweet time crawling/recrawling them, but it makes a big difference [00:39:06] HM... i'll try to better follow the guide (like removing templates and the such from indexing) and keep updating the pages with new content. [00:39:23] First thing I did, and generally have done when working with websies [00:39:33] Yeah, biggest thing is having the sitemaps in, followed by interlinking between pages (orphan pages = bad), and actually having content on those pages. [00:39:48] Google absolutely will downrank a sea of stubs as likely SEO scammiture [00:40:22] Ohhh ok ok. If we fill it up with content, should the SEO fix up? [00:40:37] Or are we cooked? [00:40:37] That's generally been my experience, yes. [00:40:44] Oh, thank god. [00:41:11] [1/2] If it persists, you may need to dig around the search console for clues. If you can't find any, you may have to contact customer support. [00:41:11] [2/2] This happened to me on Bing a while back (impressions suddenly going down to 0), though I'm doing fine on Google. The first time I contacted customer support, I immediately got a canned response. I waited for a few months, and the second time they responded a month later saying they fixed the issue, and the wiki was back on Bing's results again. [00:41:32] Ok then, so will work on getting content up to date. Have never been that much deep into SEO so this is the first time i've seen these problems. [00:42:02] Yeah, without Fandom's wind at your back it definitely means wikis have to put in a bit more work on that front. [00:42:20] No clues for now on GSC... i'll try getting to google support tomorrow morning, I doubt they'll answer me now at 3 am 😭 [00:43:07] Oh yah, but it's fun at the same time. I like challenging stuff [00:43:30] Thanks as alwasy for the help! Y'alls support has helped me countless times. 🙏 [01:32:03] would i have to paste this into each and every page [01:32:19] or is there a way to change it as a whole for the whole wiki [01:32:41] Put it in MediaWiki:common.css [01:34:30] https://m.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:CSS [01:35:41] If `html { font-size: 20pt; }` doesn't work you can try `body { font-size: larger; }` [01:44:40] https://babelredux.miraheze.org/wiki/ManualWiki:common.css [01:44:48] is there supposed to be nothing here yet\ [01:47:10] [1/2] MediaWiki, not ManualWiki [01:47:10] [2/2] https://babelredux.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.css [01:48:13] ah thank you [01:48:15] my mistake [01:50:45] how long will it take for the changes to be applied [01:58:13] Try adding `?debug=2` to the end of your URL [01:58:34] ah yeah that did it [02:06:33] well now its way too big and idk how long it will take to rewind it [02:09:25] @afterglou I just wrote [a CSS guide on meta](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_write_HTML_and_CSS). If you intend to customize your wiki in the future, it would be beneficial to learn some basic CSS and how they apply to your wiki. In particular, you'd want to learn about how to preview your CSS with the inspector. [02:09:52] that would be good to take a look at [02:11:55] There's also [another guide on customizing skins](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_customise_the_look_of_my_wiki). I have yet to figure out how to handle the overlaps between this guide and the one on CSS. [02:26:06] Happy birthday Miraheze!! [02:26:32] The ponies celebrate [02:55:40] I'd like to congratulate Miraheze on its 10 year mark [03:02:20] it wont go back to normal now... [03:03:57] [1/2] If you hover the mouse on the border of the button, the button disappears. [03:03:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397051514257801226/image.png?ex=6880511c&is=687eff9c&hm=2e0397ae28a25821e40e678f012bbcd057c6f782020dde6232b9f2cbc0a1b9fa& [03:07:01] Oh wild [03:07:28] If you have ideas on a CSS fix, feel free to implement them, I'm currently otherwise occupied [03:49:49] happy 1 decade to miraheze‼️‼️🎉🎉🎉 [04:09:43] [1/2] I love the wikitext parser. The source code is almost identical but for some buttons you get `div` inside `a` and for some other buttons you get `a` inside `div`. [04:09:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397068064859881506/image.png?ex=68806086&is=687f0f06&hm=1c7cd9b83dac36d44d3342d1fe27ae6091523b5d88eafae03fc6393eebab6f55& [04:45:00] Ah it depends on whether the button has been clicked before. On an incognito window, all 4 buttons have this behavior. [04:45:12] I can see why it slipped through the tests [05:00:09] Yeah, it's also weird on mobile because ??? [05:04:12] I shrank the balloons for narrow screens. I think the only remaining thing is the 2-column format which should automatically collapse to a single column on mobile. [05:07:01] i have given up on the font sizing [05:07:02] :) [05:10:00] Should look okay on mobile now. SomeRandomDeveloper is such a long word that the column width needs to be a bit higher than usual (`220px`). Hopefully no one tweaks the text size with vector because `SomeRandomDeveloper` will overflow the column under some screen widths. [05:12:29] [1/2] I think the page is all good now. The only remaining issue is that buttons disappear under dark mode, but it shouldn't be a huge deal. [05:12:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397083861376303134/image.png?ex=68806f3d&is=687f1dbd&hm=0662a08e4f0a867b8cebf8491c609496a436a4b49c9947bfb9d81a767ddd938a& [05:25:42] Yet another reason to finish [the draft on mobile CSS](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PetraMagna/Mobile). [05:48:48] Absolute MVP, thanks for the fixes [05:52:55] I was very late to Miraheze. However, better late than never and I'm glad for it. Congrats on 10 years!!! [05:53:19] 10 years is absolutely awesome [05:56:34] The anniversary is just a reminder of how old I am 😂 [06:07:04] I am Kikikiki-aka. I used e-mail yesterday. Miraheze were not replay. [06:19:23] We are never replying [06:38:39] I gave a reply to the exact same effect - there is no interest in reversing the account locks. [07:07:46] [1/2] is this how i back up my wiki? [07:07:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397112873511293029/image.png?ex=68808a42&is=687f38c2&hm=8d3583bbf4b4e5a240e2c1d2b8d662b25a4c358d9c1c0e3d2f32ff27a7080c9d& [07:09:25] Yes [07:15:30] the wiki is 37 pages how long would it take to back up? [07:16:11] Seconds once it starts [07:18:31] how long does it take to start [07:18:49] Depends on a few factors [07:19:05] I have no idea what time zone you're in so how long ago did you start it [07:21:06] happy birthday miraheze 🥹🎉 [07:25:10] EEST and 1 hour ago [07:25:39] Give it a few hours and then open a #support thread [07:26:15] ogay [08:18:46] I had planned a website design for my wiki. Should I try to make it as my own skin or edit an existing skin for my Wiki? [08:37:37] it's always preferable to edit the existing one, making a new skin from scratch means more nuances, consider mw things by yourself, then waiting for approval here [08:39:35] [1/2] check available skins and pick what aligns w/ your idea the best [08:39:36] [2/2] better the more well known/used ones, that means you're more likely to get help w/ it, this would include Vector-s, Monobook, Timeless, Citizen and Cosmos [08:41:01] Timeless by default stands alongside Cosmos w/ content area being in center, but there are tricks to make it more "traditional" like on pizzaytower.wiki, for example [08:54:12] happy birthday miraten [08:54:14] 🍰 [08:55:43] What Legroom said. Creating your own skin would be a lot of work, and it is highly unlikely to be approved with the perennial tech staff shortage. Maintaining and testing the current 20+ skins and 300+ extensions is already a big enough burden, so skin additions would be very carefully scrutinized. [09:19:35] editing an existing skin's probably going to be easier for everyone involved basically [09:20:23] there is some maintenance if a skin changes things around on update, but maintaining your own is a lot more potential updating [09:20:53] if only fandom hasn't made a stupid rule for it [09:21:28] i remember how ru borderlands wiki was stripped off custom cursor 😔 [09:22:17] and reviewed once for potentially messing w/ ads space, back in 2018 [09:22:43] [1/2] the FNaF wiki used to have one [09:22:43] [2/2] It was a Freddy plush [09:23:17] it's hover made it become a golden freddy (or yellow and eyeless in that case) [09:53:39] is there a way to avoid the article jump down to the bottom when clicking on an image in a tabber section? [10:28:56] woagh a birthday emoji in the server icon [10:29:07] miraheze is 10 years old real!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:32:00] I know, so the easiest way would be importing the CSS into common.css in the page, if I had made a wiki design in another program, let's say Figma [10:42:35] [1/3] you don't import any CSS to MediaWiki, you'll have to poke around skin's own CSS and modify it [10:42:36] [2/3] also Common.css is like the main one in a sense that it affects the wiki no matter what skin is used, thus generally reserved for template styling, solid core MW things, and need for things like adding a font [10:42:36] [3/3] each skin has its own CSS page, meaning that it will work only for that exact skin, like MediaWiki:Cosmos.css for Cosmos skin [10:53:37] I am using for instance the Tweeki Skin [10:55:17] Like for example, how do I modify some elements by changing their size, moving them or making animations/elements to them, like Wiki as Website [10:56:23] Or the Citizen Skin (which is used in ProleWiki and InfraWiki) [11:11:42] with CSS [11:15:29] so close to being a teen [11:16:05] i outgrew the heze [11:17:07] I do not wanna think about that [11:17:11] Makes me feel very old [11:21:48] It really has been 10 years since the foundation of Miraheze came roaring to life, hasn't it? [11:22:53] Happy Birthday Miraheze [11:23:07] 🎉 [11:23:56] I was 18 when it was created now I’m 28 [11:46:03] 3 more year 🥀 [11:46:06] 😼 [11:46:18] frrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr lmaooooooooooooooooooooooo [11:46:31] damn! [11:49:50] using an unstable skin is kind of a challenge [11:59:37] I was 12 when Miraheze was founded [11:59:52] granted, I didn't even know what a wiki was back then [12:01:04] So it's why I'm using the Citizen Skin instead [12:08:27] [1/2] I was 0111 Years Old at the time Miraheze was founded. To be honest, I only knew Miraheze first because of Reception Wikis, but they don't represent the entirety of Miraheze, and only had decided to create an account back in 2023 because of the :Malachite: Malachite Miners 2 Wiki being moved to the project. [12:08:27] [2/2] -# I'm saying it in Binary so I wouldn't get banned [12:11:04] I'm pretty sure they also know how to convert binary lmao [12:11:29] oooh [12:11:31] is it that roblox wiki [12:12:44] Yes, of a mining game [12:19:42] smart to convert it to binary lol [12:45:20] mfw miraheze's birthday and my second birthday are 10 days apart [12:48:57] imagine if discord bans bots if they said that they are 7 years old [12:50:06] Only one way to find out [12:50:25] no fortunyately lol [12:50:35] ain't gonna test w/ my discord account for control tho [12:55:24] they're too broke to check for every message afaik so if you say that and someone reports it,, probably [13:25:02] Is it possible to insert LottieLab Animations in a Miraheze Wiki? Because they all run in CSS [13:36:19] Pretty sure I found out what Miraheze was about 7 years ago when I was trying to find alternatives to fandom [13:37:27] I ported Equestripedia to ShoutWiki first but… [13:40:18] I was bored yesterday looking at ShoutWiki and their CreateWiki tools JS, horrid stuff gave me nightmares. [13:51:28] what's that [13:51:49] LottieLab are Animated SVGs [13:54:16] i'm not quite sure if animated svgs are allowed on miraheze [13:54:50] i rarely seen someone uploads said files in any wikis before [14:08:56] second bday? [14:09:34] mediawiki supports svgs [14:09:52] as long as MediaWiki detects it as an SVG it's fine [14:10:09] As for CSS MW also supports it [14:10:28] this case is about svgs that are the animated ones [14:11:35] no problem, should also be supported because it should also have the same MIME type [14:11:41] usually the animated ones would not play and would be static if it's transcluded [14:15:09] Huh, so it seems animated SVGs won't play because the animations won't be carried over when transcoding to like PNG: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SVG_animation_using_SMIL.svg [14:15:20] So you can upload them but they'll just be static [14:23:37] Finally, 10 years of Miraheze. [14:23:50] It’s a miracle! [14:23:57] Well, thumbnails will not play the animation but opening it directly will work [14:24:57] true [14:32:36] [1/2] hi, can I have two wikis with similar themes on miraheze? [14:32:37] [2/2] on the first wiki I make a fictional sports universe, on which I am fully focused. on the second wiki I would like to run my side-project, also fictional sports universe, but set in a different reality. [14:33:41] yeah, you can has several wikis as long as they're different at the core subject, in this case different worlds [14:34:07] and as long you won't abandon, i guess [14:36:00] What I'm aiming is that the animation will play once an action is done, like a button playing an animation when hovered or clicked on [14:39:02] in that case you'll need to write some JavaScript to load the SVG after you click, or hover, over an element [14:46:16] both involve the same sport, but are otherwise unrelated. [14:50:13] may i know what your page name is? [14:56:37] I'm trying to edit this template so that while hovering over each stat it gives the description is it not possible or have I just done it wrong? [14:56:41] https://agesofconflict.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:State [14:57:19] I have imbed descriptions but don't know how to convert them to hovers [15:01:34] [1/2] you mean, what the circled word means (the display title) or the actual link name of the page? [15:01:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1397232108279435364/image.png?ex=6880f94d&is=687fa7cd&hm=0c4dd43fbadd5d28b90c80b0c1be0fcad9ddff64c612b244c8ebcf439d3af1c6& [15:02:25] yeah i mean the page link [15:05:25] [1/2] https://thestorybeyondtime.miraheze.org/wiki/Lexicon:vannonen (obsolete page, will be modified following a conlang rectification) [15:05:25] [2/2] besides this, there isn't much yet done [15:05:56] like, I just started [15:06:25] i see [15:06:37] btw how do you made the conscript? [15:07:16] depends on which aspects you refer to, the font itself, the design, the way it works [15:07:36] it's a featural script with some alphasyllabary tendencies [15:07:57] more recent analysis suggests a possible moraic nature [15:08:12] specifically i want to know what apps i this [15:09:08] that is from fontforge, but I recommend using krita or even better, inkscape to do the glyphs as vector art, then you import them in fontforge and do the magic (like ligatures, diacritics, font computation and so forth) [15:09:52] is it the same system as Hangul? [15:11:58] [1/2] not really, it is very different, it really is an odd type of featural and there are some unusual rules to it, although as I said, more recent studies seems to suggest a possible moraic nature, though arguably not like in japanese where a long vowel is written as 2 morae and thus 2 glyphs, I still need to figure out how it works, I did write a paper on it [15:11:58] [2/2] though, a beginners guide [15:13:07] [1/2] here is a snippet from the document [15:13:07]