[00:43:10] [1/4] An editor is not seeing our wiki styling and has tried clearing the cache, logging out and then back in, and merely waiting to see if whatever it was would roll-over or fix itself, but it hasn't. They're just seeing a white background instead of what we've got. This isn't affecting me, so I'm not quite sure what the problem might be (they don't either) or what else to try. [00:43:11] [2/4] They said, "I opened the website this morning and it was normal, I went to see recent changes and that page was normal, I went to another page and then suddenly the theme was just gone." [00:43:11] [3/4] I suspect it's user-end, but I don't know what other solutions might exist. Any advice on how else to troubleshoot? [00:43:11] [4/4] [01:45:10] Hey, what if i want to add an extension and it says "[Requires] Permissions: managewiki-restricted" [01:46:10] dan_.kogh: [[SR/RC]] [01:46:13] @link [01:46:13] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/SR/RC [02:05:21] Hard to say why it might be happening on some pages and not others, likeliest cause is some cached resource that isn't clearing itself. CTRL+SHIFT+F5 is one option for a hard refresh, as is clearing browser cache. Beyond that, may be some funky blocker/extension they are using? [02:06:21] It's not that it's happening on only one page, it's that they started at RecentChanges which was normal, then left it to a second page and suddenly nothing had the styling [02:06:35] And they've cleared cache already, which hasn't worked [02:06:56] so, yeah, it's become really hard to say and I've run out of "uh, try this?" [02:07:37] I'll ask for another cache clear tho bc sometimes.... it be like that [02:08:23] tbh I'm baffled, mostly looking for "try clearing the cache" style tips? because really weird thing [02:11:09] Also worth noting that some namespaces (like most Special: pages and preference pages) restrict certain types of formatting to preserve usability [02:11:11] Yeah, a pretty unique problem, it can sometimes be tied to specific server endpoints (either CF or us) [02:11:37] If it's still ongoing, I may recommend they file a [[Phorge]] ticket for technology team investigation, as that's going beyond the usual tips and tricks at this point [02:11:38]

[02:42:32] will keep in mind! [03:15:26] [1/2] i've almost got this looking how i want it, how would i move the image so its centered vertically and away from the border [03:15:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406838877150515333/image.png?ex=68a3ec4e&is=68a29ace&hm=d58691f163a1a386460bd7b3ca2cc2f26a4bfcf1991eb1339b2233838387cd0f& [03:33:53] one idea could be having a table [03:38:30] [1/2] table is the bottom one, thank you! [03:38:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406844682331230240/image.png?ex=68a3f1b6&is=68a2a036&hm=d6f1c1175bedb25130bf321dd7db51d300d6e6fd0fda2143a6b4da26b495f6dc& [04:54:08] Quick question [04:54:21] Where do I modify the CSS of my wiki theme [05:59:56] mediawiki:common.css (for all skins) [06:15:15] [1/2] Why the 2 users didn't reply to me? [06:15:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406884127252287558/IMG_20250818_141445.jpg?ex=68a41672&is=68a2c4f2&hm=e858467efa9517b2f15cbddda2e6fa8b3430f2d9423e3adf805fdd6f83fc2307& [06:16:18] [1/2] I think Miraheze doesn't support tabular JSON [06:16:19] [2/2] I'm going to use sub-data module and another self-create module to replace M:TNT [06:43:52] Maybe they have lives and forgot? [06:53:19] Tabbers work on mobile right? [07:00:13] Would it really hurt SEO if I used it INSIDE gallery pages to neatly organize images under different sections? [08:39:40] Mobile styling is pure pain... [08:52:15] tabberneue works with that ofc [09:53:29] Wiki [09:59:21] Wiki [10:04:25] Wiki [10:08:31] Wiki [10:17:16] Wikia? [10:19:03] no. [12:01:53] Online Encyclopedia [12:46:25] So what should I do? [13:04:38] Go into the wild and hunt them down [13:05:37] (PS, do not actually do this, watch Magnolia instead) [13:09:46] Is the usage of LLM/AI chatbot on wiki regulated/prohibited by GCP? [13:13:54] Google Cloud Platform [13:14:27] Global Conduct Policy [13:14:36] Be patient [13:14:54] [[Global Conduct Policy]] [13:14:55]

[13:14:59] Well, the content policy doesn't explicitly say which AI generated content is prohibited? Just that generating code is allowed [13:15:55] The generative AI RfC miserably failed to agree anything [13:16:04] Yeah I saw that [13:16:15] And the only change that was agreed was https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Content_Policy#Coding_and_Generative_AI [13:16:30] [1/7] == Content created by LLM/GPT == [13:16:30] [2/7] [[w:Large language model|Large language models (LLM)]]/[[w:Generative pre-trained transformer|Generative pre-trained transformers]] such as [[w:ChatGPT|ChatGPT]] (types of [[w:Artificial intelligence|AI]]) are trained on materials that are both in the [[w:public domain|public domain]] as well as those that are [[w:Copyright|copyrighted]]. [13:16:31] [3/7] If LLM/GPT-generated content is added to a wiki, you accept responsibility for [13:16:31] [4/7] * verification of [[Content Policy|content accuracy and policy adherence]], as well as... [13:16:31] [5/7] * any potential [[w:plagiarism|plagiarism]] and/or [[Copyright Policy|copyright claims]] that may arise from use of that content. [13:16:32] [6/7] Should a copyright claim be received and verified by our functionaries or a report of substantial misinformation/harmful content be received, the [[WikiTide Foundation|foundation]] may be obligated to take actions ranging from content removal to deletion of the wiki without opportunity for data recovery, depending on severity and extent of the claim. [13:16:32] [7/7] See also: [[w:Wikipedia:Copyrights|Copyrights]] and [[w:Wikipedia:PLAGIARISM|plagiarism]] [13:16:32] [1/2] Lmao [13:16:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1406990147127349320/Screenshot_20250818_151621_Brave.png?ex=68a4792f&is=68a327af&hm=5c6e1d1ff892640245e59d5f906b53a8d96b0d1a8f590cce083815c977b3a87b& [13:17:04] Don't be a troll [13:17:11] LOL [13:17:27] That's not being a troll [13:17:42] Read : LOL [13:17:45] That's a Wikipedia policy [13:18:00] You can't just dump Wikipedia policy in here [13:18:18] That was in fact text written half by NotAracham [13:18:25] Where [13:18:33] Please link to things not text dump [13:18:35] In a channel you aren't in 😛 [13:18:52] You're not a Wikireviewer [13:19:00] not the WR secret cabal [13:19:10] that's somewhat open due to an IRC channel [13:19:11] So yeah it's kind of confusing that content policy talks about what kind of AI content is allowed but not about what kind of AI content is prohibited [13:19:14] Then you shouldn't be sharing it and are breaking confidentiality unless it's being placed publicly on wiki [13:19:37] actually... [13:19:42] at this moment AI content specifically isn't prohibited at all [13:20:16] No, it isn't. I never said it was [13:20:28] Copyrighted material is [13:20:45] And LLM are trained on copyrighted materials [13:20:50] The content policy should mention that explicitly I think [13:21:09] So if you post text from a LLM, you take chances that you post copyrighted material [13:21:16] The text dump from Ro has never been shared outside of an internal channel as far as I know [13:21:21] Not that I'll bother to create a new RfC just for that change [13:21:23] We are talking about that indeed [13:21:29] And no policy either foundation or community exists yet [13:22:02] It's on my Userpage indeed [13:22:10] It's not a policy [13:22:15] But Ro has half a point, please check the content is accurate and not too similar to anything it's been trained on and could be a copyright issue [13:22:21] You guys treat it as such, but it's not [13:22:35] Yey you finally answered my question to has that been made public anywhere [13:22:56] Djeez... relax 😄 [13:23:16] who are we, if not crazy about the rules [13:24:08] Okay so it's something dumped on in your userpage essay [13:24:26] Correct [13:24:43] Ye I don't care what it says then [13:25:09] Cause your RfC on GenAI is the one that failed miserably [13:25:43] https://tenor.com/bWXhH.gif [13:25:53] I think it's really funny how it links to every Wikipedia page possible, which is probably why Rhinos took it as a Wikipedia policy [13:26:14] man [13:26:42] wild...hunt... [13:27:10] https://tenor.com/view/gangnam-must-be-the-reason-why-gif-10492233226585691387 [13:28:26] Wikipedia is not for wikipedia only. It is general knowledge that can be a basis to factbase your comments on. It doesn't mean that it immediately is Wikipedia Policy [13:28:49] Neither will it be Miraheze Policy [13:29:12] It is just blown out of proportions [13:31:34] [1/2] If a wiki requester wants to make a wiki generated by AI, I have no basis to decline such wiki, even though I find it a waste of space personally. But with said text, I can warn users that they are liable for the possibility that they are posting copyrighted content, which is prohibited by the Copyright Policy. [13:31:34] [2/2] A user is always responsible for what he/she posts on their wiki. [13:32:16] "they", if you're looking for a neutral pronoun [13:33:08] I've written him/her or his/her for over 40 years... difficult to switch over 😄 [13:33:38] less key presses tho [13:33:47] same (not the 40 years part), we were never taught about they as a singular pronoun. [13:33:47] I’ll admit that subconsciously, outside of the internet, I seem to use he/her 🫣 [13:33:56] him and her is less key presses than they [13:33:56] It’s how I was taught too just a few years ago [13:34:13] propaganda 😔 [13:34:19] that and that the infinitive cannot be cut off [13:35:04] to no “We’re going to really go now” but rather “We’re really going to go now” [13:36:29] It's something that only recently has shifted. For millennia, it has been He and She. And suddenly we have to think as They in singular. It sounds just as wrong in my head as "a nice snowy day on a 30C summer day" [13:36:41] I always got punished for using "to not [verb]" instead of "not to [verb]" [13:37:03] just pretend you are a fancy aristocrat, literally everyone becomes multiple [13:37:04] lots of rules 😆 [13:37:06] Things change slowely [13:37:45] Yeah... Here in Denmark it is only His Royal Highness and his wife and Mother we call They. [13:38:04] Everyone here is "du" (You) [13:38:23] For me, using "they" for a single person is completely normal, probably because it's already been commonly used when I started learning English [13:38:30] And for Bangla it's even simpler, সে [13:38:32] you joke but it does sometimes snow here in finland during the summer [13:38:53] In German, we don't have something like "they" though, so we're kinda forced to use he/she ("er/sie") [13:38:55] Not with 30C though 😉 [13:39:03] same in Spanish [13:39:07] climate change ;) [13:39:39] concept of gendered pronouns is kinda cringe anyway [13:39:58] just call everyone "it" [13:40:14] In Spanish, the neuter got merged into the masculine over a 1,500 years ago since they sounded alike so a group of people is referred to as the masculine which technically serves as both masculine and neuter [13:40:15] I feel sorry for those who need to use gendered verbs too [13:40:17] still better than gendered nouns [13:40:25] I think Hindi uses them??? [13:40:27] those are a pain [13:40:30] oh you're so correct, dear gendered noun language speaker [13:40:36] Ain't got gendered pronouns in my native language personally [13:40:37] can you tell me what gender mediawiki is [13:40:38] The chair (female) [13:40:58] hard to tell if it's an English word and I've never heard anybody use it in German [13:40:58] the chair (female) when the table (male) walks in [13:41:25] time to ask WMDE lol [13:41:26] I tried to write my gf a love letter in Hindi when we first got together but I used all the masculine verbs by mistake [13:41:30] I suppose it's neuter as "Wiki" is too [13:41:48] assigned male by hindi [13:42:50] Although you wouldn't commonly talk about it with a definitive article, e.g. "the mediawiki", as that makes no sense in English either [13:44:35] I mean I guess we kinda have "gendered nouns" in Bangla like "fisherman/fisherwoman" but obviously no genders for the word "chair" [13:45:00] same [13:46:58] I’m all for non gendered terms for stuff like this but just “Fisher” or “Fisherperson” sounds wonky to me [13:47:25] Chairperson [13:47:31] propaganda 😔 [13:47:40] sounds wrong just because you've never heard it [13:48:00] Truly a reflection of the state of the world [13:50:30] I guess we have certain gendered terms which English lacks (such as gendered versions for the words "student" and "teacher") [13:50:46] the sitter [13:51:02] The One Who Sits [13:51:37] Have y'all heard of wplace? [13:52:30] yea i'm painting a huge trans flag in my city [13:52:41] should make a huge miraheze somewhere as well [13:54:13] Last I visited my town it was trans flags, cocaine and Alex from stardew valley [13:54:24] The best of all worlds. [13:54:27] The entire ST community is centred around Auckland Islands [13:55:13] and no deltarune characters???????????? [13:58:11] My country is littered with Deltarune characters [13:58:25] I know damn well 99% of my country hasn't even heard of deltarune [13:58:37] as it should be, such is the natural ecosystem of wplace [13:58:42] In Portuguese also, we use the same words as masc for a group of people with mixed gender [13:58:55] Very close to Spanish [13:58:59] [1/2] Nope [13:58:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1407000830728732723/IMG_7449.png?ex=68a48322&is=68a331a2&hm=cc8d88b6d04c175993c9f127e9af649905187becc91119a5f72992fafa874ffc& [13:59:12] At least afaik [13:59:18] I remember looking into gender neutral terms in pt [13:59:23] It was an experience [14:00:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1407001103370817746/image0.jpg?ex=68a48363&is=68a331e3&hm=67feef840e849b211fd3c1003ff33cd0b3551d55cb63c85c8de4a93371838a79& [14:00:06] Funny how we decided to make a random remote island "Skibidi Central" [14:00:31] [1/2] Town below me is where delta rune is located [14:00:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1407001216696717402/IMG_7450.png?ex=68a4837e&is=68a331fe&hm=fb5803dff35546e46ba6268c1bde0dfbea24506cd5536ece8de62ffcdd847b76& [14:00:35] I guess we battled them off [14:00:37] are you non-binary (neuter), non-binary (masculine), or non-binary (feminine)? [14:00:58] (The main reason Auckland Islands was chosen was because it also happens to be the location of the Cameramen headquarters in-series) [14:01:13] Makes sense. [14:01:29] isolated from the rest of the world... just like how ST fandom is isolated from the rest of the internet [14:01:47] Oh yeah I saw your comment on the blog [14:02:15] Going to go insane [14:03:25] Oh, you did? Neat! [14:04:00] ok but which flavor of masculine are you? masculine or feminine? [14:04:12] Get out [14:04:24] whoever thought this shit up many years ago needs several bricks to the head, i agree [14:13:02] fellas [14:13:25] I always read your name as Le groom instead of Leg room idk why 💀 [14:13:39] Same. 😭 [14:17:28] Lebride when [14:21:02]