[02:33:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nchjojo> do we know when we're getting the citizen 3.8.0 update? no rush, just curious
[02:44:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghostvista> Hi
[02:50:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Hey
[03:01:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham, replying to nchjojo> When a volunteer has free time to pull and test the update, no firm date yet.
[03:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghostvista> Hello
[03:02:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghostvista> so im going thorugh the miraheze page rn
[03:02:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ghostvista> and I would like to ask what are stewerds
[03:03:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Stewards
[03:04:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> TL;DR: highly trusted volunteers with the authority to enforce/make decisions based on our policies and handle edge cases that fall outside policies.
[03:05:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> They also can press most buttons available in our mediawiki environment and have visibility and rights to modify all wikis, including private ones.
[03:06:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <talthiel, replying to rodejong> ok so I wasn't able to make it stop wrapping around
[03:06:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <talthiel> (sorry for pings)
[04:50:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <potatoesaregood1> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1426794202767032363/Screenshot_2025-10-12-12-49-29-99_572064f74bd5f9fa804b05334aa4f912.jpg?ex=68ec8526&is=68eb33a6&hm=3f5b3f0ea5008f614fb9acb1b270cec398bb87540a23dc1df306253cc8c96638&
[05:01:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell> is there anyway to render interwiki files as if they were on the wiki itself?
[05:01:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell> rn its just a link
[05:03:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to toastedwell> May I introduce you to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImgTag?
[05:04:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> It's not exactly what you want since you are adding a file by URL, though.
[05:04:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell, replying to posix_memalign> ooo i wanted to use a audio file thou
[05:04:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell> but i will remeber that
[05:04:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to toastedwell> https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Audio
[05:05:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> (playing an audio file by url)
[05:05:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> (plus a highly customizable audio player)
[05:05:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toastedwell> yea just what i needed thanks
[07:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to talthiel> [1/2] Could you please open a support thread? I won't be available today. 
[07:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to talthiel> [2/2] There are more volunteers who can help with this. And please add a link to your wiki, so they can look at it. If you're not verified yet, you can do that by #verify You can also just use `[[mh:yoursubdomain:Template:Infobox officeholder]]` and change the subdomain.
[09:00:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wispywispwisp, replying to posix_memalign> template:background or the gadget?
[09:49:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to wispywispwisp> Gadget. They are supposed to work together though. You'd use the gadget by itself if you don't want any per-page background functionality.
[09:54:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wispywispwisp, replying to posix_memalign> I just realized I'm :regarded:
[09:54:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wispywispwisp> I've been using template:background this whole time, but a modified version of it
[09:55:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wispywispwisp> :laughroaches:
[09:55:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wispywispwisp> but like you said I can make it site-wide now which is nice
[14:58:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> for some reason the images in a gallery i have wont update on my main browser, anyone know how to fix this?
[14:59:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> purging or refreshing the page, closing the browser, and using debug=2 does nothing, thinking its a cache issue maybe?
[14:59:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29> opening the page on a diff browser or in incognito works & shows the new ver
[17:36:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squib__> [1/2] yall i was just logged out on my laptop
[17:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squib__> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1426986956172296363/image.png?ex=68ed38aa&is=68ebe72a&hm=4941dfa2789f88919e2f3fe606389edd058314cfb2ab265f7764bf7d84978239&
[17:37:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squib__> something feels off idk
[17:37:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <squib__> it wasnt like this before
[18:27:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong, replying to squib__> It happens. Clear cache and login again
[18:27:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [1/2] Is there a way to make sticky table headers that would account for the top wiki ui elements without like manually settings the top offset
[18:27:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m6ga> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1426999681132793856/image.png?ex=68ed4484&is=68ebf304&hm=a993a421b2d027daaaf71f36ed295f62220c77e04044bd341d7308903c722a16&
[18:41:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> There's some gadget floating about on Wikipedia that may do what you're looking for?
[18:41:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <originalauthority> No idea what it's called though
[20:31:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chocomingo> I'm one of the former owners of the Polandball Wiki. The mods are aware about the RfC being proposed for -ball/-human genre wikis. Where do we send our thoughts about this proposal?
[20:32:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chocomingo> Right now, the only people who've chimed in are two moderators from the Philosophyball Wiki, which is not affiliated with the Polandball Wiki
[20:32:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <90gq29, replying to chocomingo> anyone can reply to the rfc
[20:32:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to chocomingo> As in, a formal statement from the wiki admin team or where to leave your individual thoughts
[20:32:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chocomingo> Yeah, I guess
[20:33:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I was asking which lol
[20:33:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_Comment/Topic_Ban:_-ball_genre_wikis is probably the best spot
[20:33:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> We're more than happy to hear from all parties, most especially those impacted
[20:34:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> Agree
[20:39:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chocomingo> OK, thanks
[20:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby> [1/2] I wonder if one day we will get this on miraheze
[20:51:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby> [2/2] https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/DRUID_infoboxes
[20:55:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to wikitubby> If I recall correctly, DRUID is pure Lua based, you could import it
[20:58:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Neat bit of stuff, just took a peek.
[21:01:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to notaracham> Silly
[21:01:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> Really cleverly done though, I quite like it.  Kudos, @river!
[21:03:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby, replying to pixldev> It is?
[21:03:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> idk man
[21:04:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> (I'm personally going to keep using PI for now, but definitely want to do some test-and-compare)
[21:08:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby> [1/2] I looked at it with `?safemode=1` activated and... it has a pretty nice design!
[21:08:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1427040231323992125/Screenshot_20251012-180732.png?ex=68ed6a48&is=68ec18c8&hm=293ec1b81c4381f96ebecef651024727cf42665f0524437bfb3ab520e895e1c6&
[21:14:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to wikitubby> https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/DRUID_infoboxes#Add_or_update_DRUID_infoboxes_on_your_wiki
[21:15:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Put dependencies on your wiki and it will work
[21:23:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to wikitubby> We have this https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:LuaInfobox, though it is meant to be simple with the ability to customize it the way you want.
[21:26:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> I'd love to port some features from DRUID since LuaInfobox only accommodates use cases on the communities wiki right now and is very barebones, but it seems that DRUID is quite heavy-handed when it comes to organizing the infobox.
[21:27:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to notaracham> thanks! 💕 (make sure you check out the [hooks](<https://support.wiki.gg/wiki/Module:Infobox/Hooks>) as well)
[21:28:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to posix_memalign> [1/2] i tried to be as unopinionated as possible, the only thing that's really enforced is that your title is sent through as |title= (and that can be redefined inside of the template)
[21:28:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to posix_memalign> [2/2] other than that, using _label= you can name things however you like and reorganize however you like, and you can also bypass my built-in |images= if you want to do that yourself too
[21:29:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to max20091> (just be careful that on wiki.gg we redid gadget naming and i dont believe any other platform supports MW:Gadgets/druid/main.css naming)
[21:29:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river> (but all the code still works; you just need to put it in a compatible place, e.g. common.css/js)
[21:30:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to wikitubby> yes it is, everything is in Module:Infobox + the gadgets
[21:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river> (optionally and the /Hooks module)
[21:31:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <awing_ding> Oh that's really neat
[21:32:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby, replying to posix_memalign> Is it Miraheze's own infobox?
[21:33:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby> Like how wiki.gg has, well DRUID Infoboxes and Fandom haas Portable Infoboxes
[22:14:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to river> Ah thanks for the explanation. I was just commenting on the fact that headers are defined at the start instead of together with all the rows.
[22:15:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to wikitubby> No. I wrote it in an afternoon because I was unhappy with all the existing infoboxes.
[22:21:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to posix_memalign> ah yes thats true (although i dont intend druid to ever be used as an invoke directly on the page, you would always build a template in between)
[22:21:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <notaracham> ^How many things get built: because someone was frustrated with the way things were
[22:21:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to posix_memalign> also, same
[22:21:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river> that druid is now the default infobox for wiki.gg wikis was not anticipated when i made it haha
[22:21:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river> i thought maybe 10 wikis will use it and cool good enough for me
[22:26:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby, replying to river> So lots of wikis liked it? That's awesome!
[22:28:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river, replying to wikitubby> yeah within about a month most of our users were recommending druid over PI, so we started recommending druid to new wikis, and after about 6 months maybe 1 in 30 wikis (non-import) was even considering PI so we stopped enabling it by default and we unconditionally recommend druid now
[22:28:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river> reception has been super positive, idt it could have possibly turned out better
[22:29:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <river> i get emails from independent self-host wiki admins sometimes about it too which is exciting
[22:31:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wikitubby, replying to river> Maybe I'll give DRUID a shot in my wikis
[22:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to river> 🔥
[22:47:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> incredible work river
[23:34:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to river> Ah that's really nice. I wish I'd seen it before making LuaInfobox to have one more example.