[00:14:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to Frisk> Undertale
[00:14:47] <Frisk>	 each time I see your name on the chat I'm terrified if I'll get Undertale as a reply back
[00:16:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> :3
[00:31:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> https://stopitslender.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Dynamic-links
[00:31:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> i never knew monaco had this feature
[02:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gentledilapidatrix> is there a way to import templates from wiktionary?
[02:15:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gentledilapidatrix> I do not really know how templates work just yet
[02:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bloxxingmayhem123> Ello
[02:24:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rigel31415> Is there a way to fix AWB constantly restarting? At times it has even gotten to the point that barely more than 10 edits in and it restarts
[02:41:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chef_4092> Hey, sorry if this is a common question, but I was looking through `special:managewiki/permissions` and had a question; do I need to assign someone to a particular group in order for them to help me create and edit pages?
[02:42:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> uhhh yeah
[02:42:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hold on im fighting with css
[02:43:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im not sure the minimum but i made my gf an administrator as she's the only other person working on it with me
[02:48:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to chef_4092> Shouldn't have to!
[02:49:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Only way that'd happen is if you messed with stuff in there
[02:49:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <chef_4092> Fair enough! I can see regular users can't delete, but can create/edit - that seems good to me. 😄 Just wanted to make sure.
[02:51:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> 🙂‍↕️
[02:51:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> Deleting things should be restricted so nobody with bad intentions can just. walk up to your wiki, delete everything, and walk away lol
[03:01:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> imagine Special:Unnuke
[03:02:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sarcasticundead, replying to nyxxed> oh yeah thats what im noticing lol.
[03:03:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to blankeclair> That'd be quite a niche special page bahaha
[03:09:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to sarcasticundead> Yeah I gave up on citizen and went to timeless LOL
[03:10:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sarcasticundead, replying to nyxxed> ive crawled my way to getting a few aspects to work and i dont know enough to port LMAO so i guess im stuck
[03:12:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ugh fuck my javascript broke
[03:46:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere> Is it considered a major wiki topic change to go from a wiki on one constructed language to one on two in the same universe?
[03:50:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i wouldnt think so?
[03:56:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kamidere, replying to nyxxed> I guess I’m just wondering what actually is a major change by the standards of this
[04:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gentledilapidatrix> [1/2] you'll have to export/import xml file of a template, but bear in mind css might need to be copied too + being a wikimedia project high chance it's overcomplicated w/ lua -> hard time after import
[04:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to gentledilapidatrix> [2/2] see taking from another wiki section at [[Infoboxes]]
[04:35:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Infoboxes>
[04:36:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rigel31415> aren't there problems w/ AWB because of TLS changes, or did tech set your wiki manually old old version?
[04:37:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <blankeclair> i'd imagine that an unsupported tls version would make it immediately fail?
[04:45:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> ✨ <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page>
[05:14:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rigel31415, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> I do not know what TLS means, and I don't think anyone has modified something of the wiki. I continued looking and found something about deleting a folder and it seems to have worked though. Still thanks for replying
[05:21:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rigel31415> [1/3] there was a change on technical side of entire Miraheze and AWB didn't support it
[05:21:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rigel31415> [2/3] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407504500136607745/1326029532888563814
[05:21:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to rigel31415> [3/3] so there was an option to switch to old thing individually to be able to continue to use AWB, however there are alternative tools like JavaWikiBrowser or pywikibot
[05:22:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i don't know how things are now tho, so if it works for you now that's nice
[05:23:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> AWB dev were supposed to make a fix/update
[05:25:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rigel31415> I'll keep the options you mentioned in mind, in case I experience problems with AWB again. I didn't know of alternatives so thanks for mentioning them
[05:26:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> besides awb, a tool called wiki-up also requires 1.1
[05:29:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> never heard of it
[05:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is there any extension that helps with graphs or
[05:37:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i think so? but i never used that
[05:37:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ive found two extensions on mediawiki but i cant find them at all in the miraheze extensions so
[05:38:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to nyxxed> Which ones
[05:39:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I was looking at [Chart](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Chart), the other one I was talking about actually is archived so
[05:41:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Charts has been approved already and is the process of addition I think.
[05:41:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12839
[05:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> so it's just a matter of waiting i'd assume?
[05:42:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Seems so, last update on the task was on the 9th, Skye mentioned Infra needs to get the render service installed
[05:42:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i have no idea what that means but im assuming it's not gonna be super soon LOL
[05:43:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I don't know too be honest
[05:43:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> that's fine, at least ik it's in progress so ig i'll busy myself with other things in the meantime
[05:43:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> @pskyechology @rhinosf1 do we have a vauge ETA on https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12839#290522
[05:43:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im gonna assume any alternative with html/css would be a lot more annoying?
[05:43:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> Unless I can figure out something with progress bars. but im not sure
[05:44:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can make uuuh
[05:44:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im gonna do some looking around actually because if I can just use progress bars that might honestly be easier
[05:44:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i dont need big graphs
[05:44:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> bar thing w/ templates
[05:44:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> there are some JS things yeah
[05:45:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to pixldev> why does everything mean i gotta learn JS it seems terrifying aughh
[05:45:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Nah
[05:45:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i can do progressbars fine with bootstrap .....
[05:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> On a FANDOM wiki I'm on, we use a wrapper for Apache ECharts, but I don't know if that works on MH
[05:45:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> bootstrap my beloved... :holdgently:
[05:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i can show yall what im trying to do
[05:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] this is just templates, no js, bar is like 10 grades and you provide value between 1 and 10
[05:46:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://gogigantic.miraheze.org/Mozu>
[05:47:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hmmm
[05:47:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can also make it like true percentage w/ 0-100
[05:47:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I could use something like that. Alternatively is there a way to make one bar multiple colors?
[05:47:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gradient or?
[05:47:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> not a gradient. solid colors
[05:48:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ah, like checking memory on phone i guess
[05:48:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> maybe w/ a bit of thinkering
[05:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ugh the more i think about it the more I think that multiple bars is probably the best lol..
[05:48:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i'll do some fiddling i guess...... :wensive:
[05:48:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> no i think it's possible but i personally need to sit down and a headspace for that lol
[05:49:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> no im just thinking with what im trying to do it would be easier for multiple bars
[05:50:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/3] tldr there's elemental & specialty magics. u can have 2 elements and (sometimes) be a specialty or 1 element and (sometimes) a specialty. there's also non-elemental magic
[05:50:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/3] but basically each person has a magic class ( the lower the number the stronger) but if there's multiple magic types it's often split, ie class 5 and class 3, but it's hard to do in an infobox with just text
[05:50:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440942411974049813/image.png?ex=691ffdb2&is=691eac32&hm=c53fd6a85395568193d90f287a833702a0d91b5d6552290abe17cf1105c320ef&
[05:51:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> and some magic types are always a high class even with other magic types. so i was thinking of doing a progress bar with different chunks of color but that wouldn't work if there's two 100%s
[05:52:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> so I'm gonna try to see if I can get html progress bars working in a template
[05:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is that a thing I can do?
[06:08:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh god i'm in above my head here
[06:08:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> can i even use a template to change colors
[06:09:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> parameter for color values?
[06:09:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can use switch to tie exact values to expected words
[06:10:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i
[06:10:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im trying so hard to be smart but im like :stress:
[06:10:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> used that a lot on the same wiki w/ status effects
[06:10:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> should i explain what im trying to do 😭
[06:10:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> ngl im still to in template gremlin mode rn lol
[06:11:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> *not
[06:11:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> its all good
[06:11:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i can try parameters, maybe
[06:12:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh god how the fuck do i do this
[06:12:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> do you declare all the parameters on the template page & then just call the ones you want when using the template elsewhere?
[06:14:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can put templates in templates
[06:15:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if it's what you mean
[06:15:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> and tie parameters between them too
[06:16:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i feel like im dying
[06:17:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> what that is it for you now lol
[06:17:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> time
[06:17:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> 1:17
[06:17:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to nyxxed> See https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1383865984934482090/1383865984934482090
[06:17:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> am
[06:18:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to posix_memalign> Note: it will be quite involved in terms of js. So you may want to wait for the extension instead.
[06:19:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> i think codex components include progress bar
[06:19:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> well
[06:19:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> which doesn't allow a defined percentage tho
[06:20:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I can make progress bars with Bootstrap, but I'm not sure how to edit the percentage and colors in a template so it's easily moved from page to page
[06:20:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I don't think I understand parameters for some reason lmao
[06:21:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> what's your code for bootstrap progress bar
[06:23:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> sorry im realizing i dont think i can change the color with in-line html
[06:24:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> give meeee one second
[06:24:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> ig bootstrap allows several predefined color classes
[06:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it does but i want more than that
[06:25:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> like primary success or what
[06:25:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i feel like im complicating my life atp
[06:25:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> (Denoting things like percentages through color only is not great for pure accessibility, which is something to consider as well)
[06:25:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> aria-value=percentage
[06:26:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to janebuzjane> im confused as to what you're saying and why /gen
[06:27:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i have colors defined in the root with css but I'm not sure how to call on them with inline html either
[06:27:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to honoka55> Not all colorblind users use a screenreader, though
[06:28:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [1/12] you make something on template page, say a decorated div w/ text
[06:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [2/12] text to be determined by editor
[06:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [3/12] `<div ...>{{{1}}}/div`
[06:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [4/12] so editor goes
[06:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [5/12] `{{templatenamehere|Sample Text}}`
[06:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [6/12] if we talk of color values in an element, example:
[06:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [7/12] `<div style="background-color: {{{bg|white}}; ...`
[06:28:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [8/12] so when using id go
[06:28:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [9/12] `...|bg=#45818e|...`
[06:28:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [10/12] or
[06:28:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [11/12] `...|bg=orange|...`
[06:28:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> [12/12] if no `bg` was provided template will use `white` value
[06:28:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> does color matter from information aspect here
[06:28:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> each progressbar will have a label on it bc im not adding in a legend so like
[06:28:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> semantics 🤷
[06:29:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> a label totally resolved concerns on accessibility right
[06:29:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to nyxxed> Regarding accessibility, I'm talking about making a wiki (or webpage) accessible to people who may use assistive technology (like screenreaders) or who may have visual impairments (colorblindness) that can prevent them from getting the same amount of information and context that another user would have
[06:29:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> Fandom's "how to" guide is a good start <https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Web_accessibility>
[06:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane> A common example you'll see is alternative text on images
[06:29:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to nyxxed> so you defined some css variables and want to use them in your bar?
[06:30:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to janebuzjane> i understand that but im also not terribly worried because this is a private wiki that i'm only really using for myself and my girlfriend 🫠
[06:30:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> i still want this to stress the question
[06:30:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if we talk about game that uses colors to associate w/ something, like good old red for hp blue for mana, wikis do prefer to use same styling
[06:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> [1/4] OH im sorry
[06:30:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> [2/4] > <div class="progress">
[06:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> [3/4] >   <div class="progress-bar" role="progressbar" aria-valuenow="0" aria-valuemin="0" aria-valuemax="100">/div
[06:30:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> [4/4] > /div
[06:31:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it's just pulled right from boostrap website because i cba to write it out myself
[06:31:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [1/2] template: `<div class="progress"><div class="progress-bar" role="progressbar" aria-valuenow="{{{1|0}}}" aria-valuemin="0" aria-valuemax="100" style="background-color:{{{color|}}}">/div/div`
[06:31:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> [2/2] invoke: `{{templatename|percentage|color=xx}}`
[06:32:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> [1/2] yeah i'll have them defined in the root once i get around to editing it 🙂‍↕️
[06:32:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440953014641885244/image.png?ex=69200792&is=691eb612&hm=7d016227776e1812fc46c44e7e9d80f173c686cbc1aa70d0cdf63223a6cd0e4e&
[06:33:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55, replying to honoka55> color can be css variables. e.g., `color=var(--fire)`
[06:33:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> will that work in html?
[06:33:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> yes
[06:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <honoka55> work in wikitext at least
[06:34:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yknow i might be able to see if it worked or not if i wasnt editing the progress bar without a percentage 😭
[06:36:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i'm not sure if it works or if i'm just doing it wrong
[06:37:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> what's the purpose of the {{{1|0}}} in the valuenow?
[06:37:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can try it like normal non template thing in a sandbox or something
[06:37:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> that's what i'm doing right now
[06:38:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i don't think background-color works for these
[06:39:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh. i know what i can do actually
[06:39:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i've done this before
[06:41:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> does mediawiki support scss files as well
[06:51:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> realizing im over complicating this and html supports default progress bars
[07:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to honoka55> ur a literal god
[07:03:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it doesn't seem to want to work with --var though
[07:04:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> nevermind
[07:04:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> Honoka i love you ur a literal god i hope the rest of ur days are fucking amazing bro
[07:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [1/2] Something like this I wanna make
[07:08:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440962085596168234/image.png?ex=69201004&is=691ebe84&hm=67c848c838a7f3ed8eb3dd990b54e978de4f67a1b1d586f227e0e222627f85ed&
[07:11:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [1/2] Or like this
[07:11:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440962708228018246/image.png?ex=69201099&is=691ebf19&hm=ba271ebf5fedb86ae0421a1125fb1fb77659862e6eec78efcdb1a657e26a988e&
[07:34:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> how the fuck do i put this into an infobox
[07:38:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> if it's portableinfobox then you gotta do that in <format> tag, it allows everything that works in normal wiki text
[07:39:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] :bigeyes:
[07:39:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440969740402294935/image.png?ex=69201726&is=691ec5a6&hm=d1920053bf6ae6413bc208c39d598caf1f290e12ace1190838d0f98b03d1bbba&
[07:39:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban> how to delete my alternative account?
[07:39:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> well, then you aren using portable infobox?
[07:39:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> but I am
[07:39:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> that's the thing LOL
[07:39:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> hm
[07:39:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i made it with portable infobox
[07:40:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [this is the infobox page if you want it](https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CharInfo)
[07:41:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> girl where does ` <format>{{MagicBars|percentage|color=|label=}}/format` belong to
[07:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/5] like this?
[07:41:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/5] `<data ...>
[07:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/5] <label>.../label
[07:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/5] <format>.../format
[07:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/5] /data`
[07:42:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh
[07:42:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah that might
[07:42:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> <https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Infoboxes#Advanced_options>
[07:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [1/5] ``` 
[07:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [2/5] <data source="icespice">
[07:42:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [3/5]  <format>{{MagicBars|percentage|color=|label=}}/format
[07:42:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [4/5] /data
[07:42:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [5/5] ```
[07:44:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to toosplatched> this still unfortunately does fuckall
[07:45:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [1/5] ``` 
[07:45:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [2/5] <data source="icespice">
[07:45:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [3/5]  <default>{{MagicBars|percentage|color=|label=}}/default
[07:45:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [4/5] /data
[07:45:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> [5/5] ```
[07:45:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh it looks like that did something
[07:46:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> sorry i didnt really read up but if you want the template to always appear use default
[07:46:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> if u want to do something like |icespice = yes to appear or something use format
[07:46:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hm
[07:46:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is there a way to have multiple in the template but only show them if they get used or is that like a js thing
[07:47:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i'm also not sure how to change the parameters of the bars within the infobox now
[07:52:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh
[07:52:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> nvm i got it
[07:55:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> IT WORKS IM GONNA CRY
[07:55:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> THANNK YOU GUYS IM ON MY KNEES
[08:02:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to huannengqizhaban> you can't delete an account, you can only ask for lock (nobody will be able to use it) or vanish (remove username and related data)
[08:03:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you also can ask for merge of accounts, that meaning edits done by your alt will be tied to your main iirc
[08:03:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> there are pages about that on Meta
[08:04:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> guys how do u make a list of articles
[08:04:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> that have the articles in alfabetical order
[08:07:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [1/2] you can edit content of category page, like it can be treated as normal article, just needs to be linked as `[[:Category:...|...]]` (w/o `:` it will just add to category)
[08:07:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [2/2] otherwise can be done w/ dpl4
[08:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> i forgot how to acees my category for ffs
[08:09:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> click on category?
[08:10:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> usually categories are at the bottom of the page
[08:10:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> it doesn't show anywhere
[08:10:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> have you created it?
[08:10:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> yea
[08:10:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> it is named "Category Name"
[08:10:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> `.../wiki/Category:...`
[08:11:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> if it doesn't have prefix then you made just normal pahe
[08:11:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> Namespace`:`Pagename
[08:11:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> bro what the
[08:12:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> I made one and it dissaperd
[08:12:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> dissapered*
[08:12:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> can you link?
[08:12:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> can't guess things
[08:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> https://marshallcreates.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[08:13:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> try finding it bc idk
[08:13:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> are you logged it?
[08:13:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> ye
[08:14:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> just try to enter the thing as u said it into the url
[08:15:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> <https://marshallcreates.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Name> this?
[08:16:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it suggests you to create it
[08:16:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> unfortunately i can't do anything because of vpn limits, can't login on new wikis
[08:16:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Let me see
[08:16:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> it had some media
[08:16:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> or some links
[08:17:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> but anyway
[08:17:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> How do u add pages
[08:18:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can search for one, click on red links or just by typing in url, it either opens editor right away or suggests to create like on that category
[08:18:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you can also make an input box w/ some extensions
[08:18:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I think generally it's suggested to make a page from an already existing page by doing [[name here]] and then clicking on that link
[08:18:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Name_here?action=edit&redlink=1>
[08:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> girl
[08:18:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> red links method yes
[08:18:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> there's an extension that allows you to do it from a special page
[08:19:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] > it either opens editor right away or suggests to create like on that 
[08:19:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] I think this is only with visual editor tho
[08:19:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> wait
[08:19:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i misunderstood sorry
[08:19:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> no you're correct
[08:19:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> you can react w/ 🗑️ to this and bots will delete it
[08:20:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> fank yew
[08:20:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> and how can it orgineze it by letters
[08:21:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> your pages?
[08:21:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> In the category yes
[08:21:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> category automatically does it
[08:21:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] categories already organise/sort their content alphabetically 
[08:21:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] dpl4 method is a bit of coding
[08:22:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's why i suggested to just add a description of sort to category, that will contain related pages
[08:22:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> and it is better to add the links via the button or via copy paste
[08:22:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i mean, depends on how much pages you plan to have in a list
[08:23:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] this is what im talking about
[08:23:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] <https://softcell.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Bootlegs>
[08:24:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I have something similar here <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Characters_by_Affiliation>
[08:24:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> bc there are 2 ways of adding the link
[08:25:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/5] dpl4 still would need categories, example
[08:25:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/5] `{{#dpl:
[08:25:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [3/5] |category=People¦Bands
[08:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [4/5] |notnamespace=Category
[08:25:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [5/5] |ordermethod=title}}`
[08:25:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> this you can add on normal pages, it will create a list of links
[08:26:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> ok and my question was it is better to add the links via the button or copy and paste
[08:27:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> what do you mean by this
[08:28:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [1/2] like this
[08:28:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440982022972768316/image.png?ex=69202296&is=691ed116&hm=94f45195724f1e8e59032f6910249a73da8f6bbca2b15dd04de32dfc3185380b&
[08:28:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh
[08:28:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> or via copy and paste
[08:28:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> man
[08:28:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> tbh i copy paste and change what i need to
[08:28:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> im not using this thing at all
[08:28:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it's so much more efficient lol
[08:28:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is that Visual Editor?
[08:28:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i type knowing the pages
[08:28:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I have it installed to my wiki but only for my gf lol
[08:28:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> yeah
[08:29:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah i recommend you just learn how to do it without
[08:29:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> idk I am still learning a lot of this
[08:29:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> nah i get it
[08:29:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> source editor will help you to understand how things actually work
[08:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it's rather easy to pick up the basics
[08:29:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Bc I use them interchangebly.
[08:29:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to nyxxed> idk im weird tho and use a lot of html to do stupid things like bold or italics so
[08:30:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> also why the fuck does templatestyles break my template bruh
[08:30:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i use html table in templates
[08:30:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> how exactly?
[08:31:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> templatestyles on the template page
[08:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/3] templatestyles vs using {{#css on the template
[08:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440983287312027741/image.png?ex=692023c3&is=691ed243&hm=1a5d3051a1c58e4d6418165f3f478f73728bcbd0cc05426dd90a46407e9bb90e&
[08:33:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440983287643373651/image.png?ex=692023c3&is=691ed243&hm=fa51fa527f7315d65bafa8ba77b85e1570950a0d189e54c45cbc1a157a6b96c2&
[08:33:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440983440697725039/image.png?ex=692023e8&is=691ed268&hm=027876e816434791e36626d522a175770986f6ac9cb0342b5c26b68a145c98c0&
[08:33:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440983441171677245/image.png?ex=692023e8&is=691ed268&hm=f624b4a2d7567413df68544d3f19c5ca91af7bfc0f5d9b1e3d9bc3a999f9add0&
[08:34:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> https://marshallcreates.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Car_Companies uh why aren't the articles grouping via letters or why are they like this
[08:34:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to nyxxed> are you using at the same time?
[08:34:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to marshall268> because its the link itself
[08:34:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> no, one at a time
[08:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [1/2] these aren't articles, you just put here links to different sites?
[08:35:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [2/2] we talk about wiki pages
[08:35:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> the hell
[08:35:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> they are from my wiki
[08:35:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh um
[08:35:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> bc they link into my wiki
[08:35:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> https://?
[08:35:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> bro
[08:36:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
[08:36:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> click on ome
[08:36:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you'll see
[08:36:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/3] @marshall268 
[08:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/3] https://marshallcreates.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AllPages
[08:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/3] to link to a page, you'd just do [[page name]]. if you want that page in the category, you need to add [[Category:Car Companies]] to each page
[08:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Page_name?action=edit&redlink=1>
[08:36:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Car_Companies?action=edit&redlink=1>
[08:36:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> When I request import, some edit were included into my account improperly, for the source editor has the same name as my alternative account.  So can any staffs help me correct the edits?
[08:37:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [1/3] [[mw:Help:Links]]
[08:37:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [2/3] [[mw:Help:Formatting]]
[08:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom, replying to marshall268> [3/3] please check these guides
[08:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links>
[08:37:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting>
[08:38:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah thats probably the best bet
[08:38:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> god i remember when i first started doing this wiki a yr ago i was so lost on everything
[08:39:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i touched visual editor only when, when i tried to make my very first edit, then i saw "source editor" switch and never looked back
[08:39:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i looked at source code of pages and learned from there
[08:40:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah felt that LOL
[08:40:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i only have Visual Editor on here for my gf because i do most of the backend stuff and she just adds information
[08:40:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it's easier on her dyslexia
[08:40:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> understandable
[08:41:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i was planning to use VE at first asw but i haaated it
[08:41:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I really only use it now if I'm just editing text
[08:41:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> although doesn't word coloring/syntax highlight helps dyslexia a bit?
[08:42:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it might but there's a lot of extra stuff going on in the source like html and stuff
[08:42:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> true
[08:42:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> so she said it's easier to just use the visual editor
[08:42:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> can't overwhelm her if she can't see it LOL
[08:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] but 💪 the magic bars r done
[08:43:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440985846479196231/image.png?ex=69202626&is=691ed4a6&hm=5698343930243660827042b50170526aa71b0d91c1aa1bc0c0bda98a7c58bade&
[08:43:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> there's probably a way to get rid of the divider between them but im like so lazy
[08:45:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> https://marshallcreates.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Car_Companies ok fixed it
[08:45:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> now what to do
[08:46:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> to make it show the things alfabeticly
[08:46:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> sigh
[08:46:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> >  if you want that page in the category, you need to add [[Category:Car Companies]] to each page
[08:47:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> if you want it alphabetical, it needs to be in the category, so you need to add the category to each page you want in this category
[08:47:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> ok thx
[08:47:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> never knew categories can be so hard
[08:47:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i mean they're not
[08:48:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [[mw:Help:Categories]]
[08:48:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Categories>
[08:48:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> @marshall268 ^
[08:49:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] also look at this masterlist for help because it can probably answer a lot of questions
[08:49:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] [[mw:Help:Contents]]
[08:49:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents>
[08:49:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ah, here's what i was looking for. [[mw:Help:Advanced_editing]]
[08:49:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_editing>
[08:53:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> if i like a cateogry to a wiki page is it a wiki or extrnal page
[08:53:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it's all your wiki
[08:54:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> YES YES IT FINNALY WORKS
[08:54:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[08:55:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> felt that in my bones
[08:55:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Thx a lot
[08:55:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> nw
[08:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> nw?
[08:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> no worries
[08:56:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Oh
[08:58:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> tho
[08:59:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> how to link the category to the page so ppl can access the category from the page
[08:59:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> what do you mean
[08:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> like show the category on the page?
[09:00:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it also just
[09:00:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> shows at the bottom of the page
[09:01:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [1/2] Currently it appers like that but I want the link to be here and display the text I want
[09:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440990335722586142/image.png?ex=69202a54&is=691ed8d4&hm=0d733be30e542254b57f24f0fea0276f5ae6f5efb3a0730a95fb8393c606d0e9&
[09:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [1/2] `[[Category:...]]` - adds to category 
[09:01:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> [2/2] `[[:Category:...]]` - creates a link to category
[09:01:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> oh right
[09:01:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> bro stop making external links lol
[09:01:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> its not external
[09:01:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Idk I just love links lol
[09:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] it just brings u to this LOL
[09:01:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440990507194126386/image.png?ex=69202a7d&is=691ed8fd&hm=b3708ced89e9a773e8c19fd9ec198eec608c18e71d31b171363dc7a93fb53c01&
[09:02:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> smooth
[09:02:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> please stop using that button thing lol
[09:02:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Idk why there need to be 69k ways to add links
[09:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440990756884971611/image.png?ex=69202ab8&is=691ed938&hm=0caf9fdd5c56c7611a6ecd6dbc6b3d5b680826e84bf4d91110085c33960af6eb&
[09:02:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1440990757363257364/image.png?ex=69202ab8&is=691ed938&hm=b21638708fa79fff22f0d35017882a4994ae70d90c1a9a273654af120a4ad473&
[09:02:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you are on a mediawiki
[09:03:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it has a way of making links
[09:03:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> fyi anyone can come in and edit your pages just letting you know
[09:03:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you seem to rely on additional thingy that you refuse to understand too
[09:03:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> please educate yourself on wiki text, the help pages we posted earlier
[09:04:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> I don't have that much time
[09:04:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Bc of other stuff
[09:04:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> well then put aside that much time
[09:04:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> managing a wiki is a time consuming effort indeed
[09:04:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/4] we're not here to help u cuz ur in a rush. use
[09:04:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/4] [[mw:Help:Links]]
[09:04:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/4] [[mw:Help:Formatting]]
[09:04:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [4/4] [[mw:Help:Advanced_editing]]
[09:04:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/3] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Links>
[09:04:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/3] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting>
[09:04:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> [3/3] <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_editing>
[09:05:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> this. it's taken me a year to get to where I am for my wiki
[09:05:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> i edit wiki since 2015, admin since 2016 lol
[09:05:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> And me maybe like more than a year
[09:05:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> It's just that the articles and stuff sometimes are very confusing
[09:05:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you seem to skip stuff
[09:06:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> you gotta read carefully
[09:06:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> if you want to learn how to edit and manage your wiki, set the time aside to actually read things. experiment. mess up lo
[09:07:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/9] when I want to do something, i do things in this order:
[09:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/9] - try it myself
[09:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [3/9] - try it again but differently
[09:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [4/9] - rinse and repeat
[09:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [5/9] - google it
[09:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [6/9] - google more things
[09:07:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [7/9] - try again
[09:07:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [8/9] - fail
[09:07:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [9/9] - come crying  here for help while still trying to do it on my own
[09:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Lol
[09:08:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> so instead of coming here for help first thing, take the time to read the documentation. it'll probably tell you what you need to know
[09:09:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Thanks a lot btw.
[09:09:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ya
[09:09:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Bro imediatly responded
[09:09:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i have 2 monitores
[09:09:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marshall268> Like I didn't even blink
[09:50:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh dear it seems i've broken my css again
[09:52:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [1/8] To have pages alphabetically, you can manipulate it by using `{{DEFAULTSORT:NAME}}`
[09:52:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [2/8] If you want to have "Zebra" 1st, you can place the following:
[09:52:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [3/8] ```
[09:52:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [4/8] [[Category:Animals|A Zebra]]
[09:52:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [5/8] ```
[09:52:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [6/8] Or you can use 
[09:52:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [7/8] ```{{DEFAULTSORT:A Zebra}}```
[09:52:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> [8/8] See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:DEFAULTSORT
[09:53:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> what the fuck is going on with this css
[09:53:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im gonna lose my mind
[09:53:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] templatestyles PLEASE
[09:53:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441003553870184478/image.png?ex=692036a3&is=691ee523&hm=e8746216ff08e41b02ca4f3333f77c33cc9d54e862367728622bd51f2111200b&
[09:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh wait
[09:54:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You need to enable it
[09:54:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> LMFAO
[09:54:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> nope i missed the closing /
[09:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah it still doesn't work
[09:54:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to rodejong> templatestyles works elsewhere though?
[09:54:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You have the extention enabled?
[09:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I do
[09:55:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> link
[09:55:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> you can see it working on the main page just fine <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page>
[09:55:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> ?
[09:55:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CharInfo>
[09:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Checking
[09:55:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to nyxxed> this is the template im fighting with
[09:55:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Clear your cache
[09:55:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> It seems to be working for me
[09:55:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> (Purge the page
[09:56:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> purging the page has done nothing
[09:56:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> also doesn't seem to work for me in a private window
[09:57:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> checking in another browser..
[09:57:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I'm not seeing what you see :/
[09:58:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> Im so confused. Even a new browser yields the same problem
[09:58:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441004808784842782/image.png?ex=692037ce&is=691ee64e&hm=64aaa747464e9613ae30dc2e432bf6b77811a81fd9ce547012e64edc719815ee&
[09:58:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah that's
[09:58:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> not supposed to look like that
[09:59:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> The fields in the middle you mean?
[09:59:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> no
[09:59:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> hold on
[09:59:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> here's a page with the infobox filled <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Desdemona_Xanthus>
[09:59:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> one sec
[10:00:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] applying the CSS with my inspect element, it's supposed to look like this.
[10:00:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441005241297272914/image.png?ex=69203836&is=691ee6b6&hm=a8c0683d268319866262876bf7ee07241012a4b3d1e56bce627082db7b97763b&
[10:00:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441005243734167552/image.png?ex=69203836&is=691ee6b6&hm=8fc86662e505515cbc6c39a1876afba596d29344af2e8f40bd825d36bc0433ac&
[10:00:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> css from templatestyles isn't applying
[10:00:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Let me have a look
[10:00:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i was doing it with {{#css:}} but when I updated it it broke
[10:01:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> :pensivesob:
[10:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I'm trying to apply new CSS to it
[10:02:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You import css from https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/npm/bootstrap@5.3.8/dist/css/bootstrap.min.css
[10:02:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i do
[10:02:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I use bootstrap
[10:03:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> this wasn't a problem until tonight even with bootstrap
[10:03:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I am too noob for that 😄
[10:03:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> well, I don't use it for CSS
[10:03:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I use it for HTML only. the cols built-in make it easier for me to cater to viewpoints lol
[10:04:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I can read MediaWiki:Common.css a bit, but not that much 😄
[10:04:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> should i try removing the boostrap? idk im attached to it
[10:05:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> or is this where I make another forum post
[10:05:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> yeah idk what happened it seems most of my template css has just broken
[10:05:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> same with this one. <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:HoardInfoBox> it has no bootstrap in it whatsoever
[10:06:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh i
[10:06:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I do not see any Infobox css
[10:06:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> don't know where the css for that one went????
[10:06:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> what
[10:06:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> that's
[10:06:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> OOOHHHH.
[10:07:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> for a while i had the infobox CSS from the CharInfo just in the Timeless.css
[10:07:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> but then I moved it to just the CharInfo and forgot to do the same for the other one
[10:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it still displayed fine though
[10:07:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> should I just put it in timeless.css and call it a day atp
[10:07:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Perhaps the cache did hang on
[10:07:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> You could try.
[10:07:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Remember I am a noob too with css
[10:08:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> thats ok
[10:08:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i appreciate the help anyways
[10:08:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> @canyada might have better ideas
[10:08:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Courtesy ping
[10:08:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> hm?
[10:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> it displays fine in inspect element when i insert it which is why im so confused
[10:08:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to canyada> none of my template css is working right
[10:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> or, most of it isn't
[10:08:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1441005241720901744
[10:10:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:CharInfo/styles.css
[10:10:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/Desdemona_Xanthus
[10:10:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> 😔
[10:10:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> that css isn't the one I plan on keeping i just don't want to change it and fuck things up more
[10:11:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> fyi adding `?debug=2` lets to see despite cache
[10:11:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> issue still persists
[10:11:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> are my classes just? wrong? or something? like
[10:12:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> god it is five in the morning
[10:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> oh.
[10:12:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh nop
[10:13:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> remove .mw-parser-output from everything
[10:13:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh fuck
[10:13:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> LMAO?
[10:13:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> templatestyles adds it to ur css on its own
[10:13:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> OH
[10:13:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> so right now everything is looking for .mw-parser-output IN .mw-parser-output
[10:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> is that why it worked originally when I used {{#css}}
[10:13:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> yea
[10:13:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> It doesn't work with #css now either though
[10:13:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> I'll edit it regardless but
[10:13:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> #css might have started adding .mw-parser-output by itself now too
[10:14:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> LMAO SORRY I JUST RUN AROUND IN INSPECT ELEMENT
[10:14:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> IDK WHAT IM DOING
[10:14:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> No need to write in Caps
[10:14:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> lol thats how everyone learns
[10:14:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> sighs
[10:14:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> man I thought I had it all figured out
[10:14:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> As always, @canyada to the resque
[10:15:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Can always count on you
[10:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <canyada> 🫡
[10:15:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ok moment of truth guys
[10:15:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh no
[10:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] cries so deeply
[10:16:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441009225320103986/image.png?ex=69203beb&is=691eea6b&hm=add4163f48cb7b40bc37e28510103f003fc3e573db03713d2ee8f69c079dcbd6&
[10:16:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> rip
[10:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] im just going to put it into timeless.css
[10:16:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] i cant be bothered any more
[10:16:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> whats causing the issue
[10:16:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed, replying to nyxxed> here?
[10:16:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> yes
[10:17:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> my use of rgba(var(--colorhere))
[10:17:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> CSS stepped on his toes 😄
[10:17:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> specifically the a in rgba
[10:17:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched, replying to nyxxed> ok one very shit hack i have is to just do var(--something) then --something: rgb(var(--colorhere))
[10:18:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> meh im just going to put it in the main css at this point
[10:18:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> i don't want to have to finagle around it
[10:18:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> I'm off ... have to go
[10:18:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rodejong> Good luck
[10:18:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> if u put everything in timeless it will be a mess someday
[10:18:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> how bad can it be if i label everything
[10:18:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> LOL
[10:18:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> 👀
[10:19:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> she's gorgeous imo <https://acosaa.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Timeless.css>
[10:20:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> idk someone else may think it looks awful but it's like my magnum opus atp
[10:20:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> a year ago i didn't even know css
[10:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh i have some repeating in here
[10:20:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> oh well
[10:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> im just gonna wait for the css to update
[10:24:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> ?debug=2
[10:25:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> didn't do anything
[10:27:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> does that mean my css is still having issues... oh dear
[10:27:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> OH
[10:27:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> OH OH OH
[10:27:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> ITS WORKING
[10:28:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [1/2] :happyhappy:
[10:28:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441012199844741293/image.png?ex=69203eb1&is=691eed31&hm=1c4084cbe16b95faa246e3f0c7ed31a5fb7bfcf7999dc914edcd2f529b8562e7&
[10:28:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> thank you yet again to u all a:noddingknight:
[10:31:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nyxxed> goodnight now guys!
[10:32:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> gn
[11:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ahappyoreo> [[phorge]]
[11:16:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Phorge>
[11:45:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> frog
[12:46:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tashajones_07497> [1/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441046945031524443/ttatencene.jpg?ex=69205f0d&is=691f0d8d&hm=f442eadf0cf871186ee070ba265f90ed2883e72989d371b182602e4bd28c3c9a&
[12:46:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tashajones_07497> [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441046945513607189/eolehaeauo.jpg?ex=69205f0d&is=691f0d8d&hm=9ab8b12fb952f739383ce15f7816280b986a6ceba0778db42c08c0f48d85f7c0&
[12:46:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tashajones_07497> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441046945882968198/odthgreicu.jpg?ex=69205f0d&is=691f0d8d&hm=45383c74a492ad0ca294d6e1233543ddddce9db2346c4b69d1546c48cf9a60a1&
[12:46:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tashajones_07497> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441046946302394409/ettiuriaoa.jpg?ex=69205f0d&is=691f0d8d&hm=df92de1f4c29ca33745114aabdd634628988bf2088f35622751f1fb7ee86e618&
[12:51:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> @Discord Moderators Spam ^ also in other channels like #offtopic and #volunteering
[12:51:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> oh sorry didn't notice someone already pinged in #tech
[12:54:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> thanks for taking care of it!
[16:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <nukesme> [[mh:arsenal]]
[16:21:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://arsenal.miraheze.org/wiki/>
[16:54:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> discussionstools pmo cause I'm forced to enable visual editor
[17:49:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <lole5309> can we assign favicons to external links without creating a huge if else chain? with an extension perhaps?
[17:50:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> wdym favicons to external links ?
[17:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> @theoneandonlylegroom could i know what you hate about minerva neue?
[18:08:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> it's such a burning question?
[18:09:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> well, it sucks, it's a skin for reading
[18:11:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I found it a bit ugly to CSS as well
[18:43:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> what features does it not have
[18:44:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> bro
[18:45:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <theoneandonlylegroom> that's rather silly
[18:45:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <toosplatched> try minerva for a day and you'll know 🫠
[18:45:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to toosplatched> https://tenor.com/view/bunny-lets-take-a-look-rabbit-let%27s-take-a-look-gif-15329211389223860638
[18:48:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> im gonna guess it has more features than fandom's mobile but way too many missing features from overall most desktop skins
[19:15:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I hear people like Timless and Cosmos (and Citizan) and I think all three are mobile adaptive
[19:21:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <huannengqizhaban, replying to huannengqizhaban> Should I create a help request about this issue?
[19:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [1/2] Purging a bunch of pages from my wiki since those cahatcter pages are no longer up to my standards and the information has significantly change
[19:37:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <gamerdanceryt> [2/2] Is there a way I can purge a bunch of pages at once just to clear these unused pages
[19:44:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to eytirth> timeless's mobile is kinda stinky
[19:45:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to bartomelow> Why?
[19:46:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [1/2] just never liked how it looks like this
[19:46:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441152772324982884/image.png?ex=6920c19c&is=691f701c&hm=b82ab57b1f66bd4bba6f72c171327f41f6182a5cb4d67f38b3f6aeb77f057ca0&
[19:46:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to bartomelow> I think it is nice
[21:31:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> colonge blue is the best skin frfr
[22:32:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to tangoer_man> Why?
[22:32:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man> clearly out of every base skin it is the most appealing
[22:36:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to tangoer_man> let's buen you in a fore
[22:37:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to bartomelow> https://tenor.com/view/cat-flying-flying-cat-jumpscare-jump-gif-20372835
[22:49:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Also, why do people love old!Vector so much?
[22:50:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> familiar, stable, works without a lot of js or rendering needed, uh... beyond that idk
[22:51:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> nostalgia is probably the majority of the traction it has still
[22:51:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I guess I tend to follow trends more then it comes to skins
[22:51:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> its flaws are only more visible and I doubt there are many new people flocking to it
[22:51:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> What do you feel are the flaws of old!Vector?
[22:51:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> as long as it's more stable than vector 2022 I'm probably happy with it
[22:52:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I guess I do not mind messing with CSS evey so often, I only upgrade my wiki each 2-3 years
[22:52:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> no mobile support whatsoever, its got an oldish look that's hard to describe but a hard sell to people nowadays, v2022 does have some novelties that just make it better like built in dark mode switch and some search stuff
[22:53:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> My next upgrade probly will be later 2026-early 2027, and I think 2022!Vector is more modern looking
[22:53:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> there are oldish skins I like and can live without any of the v2022 stuff but they're powerful sells
[22:53:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> timeless really is kinda timeless
[22:54:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I am basicly a "If Wikipedia uses the skin, so will I"
[22:54:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> actually I've been browsing meta with it for a long while
[22:54:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I found timeless a bit odd
[22:54:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> It reminds me of 2022!Vector but without all the toggles
[22:55:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> cosmos on meta might need a bit of work
[22:56:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Why?
[22:56:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1441200443156856922/image.png?ex=6920ee01&is=691f9c81&hm=b97a3b12606e320b1cc63996ddefaae3686649735750daec99e06d97477975fc&
[22:56:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> there were some executions that give a more glassy, rounded whatever look that meta could benefit from adopting, heck if I remember which wikis they were tho
[22:56:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth, replying to raidarr> I did a glassy rounded look once for Cosnos
[22:56:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Hello!
[22:57:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I would of probly not of had so vivd a background or you could pair the bright background with a dark glass effect
[22:57:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> ello
[22:57:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> Hello.
[22:58:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> What do you think of Elevlion? That skin trying to be FandomDesktop?
[22:59:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to raidarr> May I DM you?
[23:05:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> for what purpose
[23:06:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to raidarr> I wanted to discuss a rfp I made and whether I should revoke it for another/lesser level permission at first.
[23:07:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> sure
[23:07:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> the Wiki Reviewer one?
[23:07:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> ExistentialBean
[23:07:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if it's that I can answer on the spot
[23:08:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Ah, other one
[23:08:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Ok, yeah. I submitted a rfp for admin and I am starting to think that I would fit better as a Wiki Reviewer.
[23:08:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> I have a bunch of edits on other wikis, not meta.
[23:08:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> yeah that rfa is a very tough sell
[23:08:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> So I wasnt sure what I would get opinion wise from everyone.
[23:08:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to raidarr> Wdym?
[23:09:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> the trouble on wiki reviewer is it's fairly high scrutiny and very judgement based, but if you have looked over the process in detail and think you can chew on it, you could give it a go
[23:09:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I’ll give my thoughts in a bit, back to the car
[23:09:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> adminship on meta is a very 'full' position and also does not do a whole lot to integrate someone into deeper volunteering on its own
[23:10:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> full being there are a lot of people with that hat and for that reason alone getting supports can be tricky
[23:10:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to raidarr> Summon professor Robert for the exam
[23:10:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Am I able to revoke my request for admin and request Wiki Reviewer instead?
[23:11:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> very possible
[23:11:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> You are free to withdraw the request yes
[23:11:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Yeah I agree frankly we do not need any more Meta sysops, most of what we do is hurry up and wait
[23:11:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Would probably be worth chatting with folks a bit here before submitting an RfWR
[23:11:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Am I allowed to ask people for support or is it not recommended?
[23:11:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> in general getting known, having a chat first are key
[23:11:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> asking for supports would singlehandedly tank a request
[23:12:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if it's for education ie support in learning that's a different story
[23:12:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> Explicitly asking people to support is generally a no-go
[23:12:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> [[WP:CANVASSING]]. asking
[23:12:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CANVASSING>
[23:13:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> I’m very much against someone “advertising” their own request tbh and will more often than swing my vote to oppose singlehandedly, its recommended that you start out by becoming “known” in the community and generally showing basic competence and such
[23:13:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to zppix> I think this is a bit harsh
[23:14:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Scroll up to Bean’s request, it would be absurd to claim RfP doesn’t have an issue with request visibility
[23:14:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> what I'd say so far is you definitely have a future but the next appropriate step is scouting out a clear desired path you want to take and getting with people to learn about it, and by the time you make an request for permissions, you know what you are getting into and people already there will be inclined to see you as a likely peer and not someone out of nowhere
[23:14:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If you’re not someone who’s well known and followed
[23:15:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> I am attempting to revoke it but my phone isnt the best device for it lol
[23:15:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> And I don’t want to perpetuate a system where you have to be popular to have your RfP seen and then be reprimanded for trying to raise visibility in a neutral manner
[23:15:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> mood…
[23:15:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I can mark it as requested if you haven't done it already
[23:16:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> I need to finish writing my comment there still ugh
[23:16:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix, replying to pixldev> This is what I meant as advertising, if its simply saying hey theres an open request and leaving it at that thats another thing
[23:16:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to raidarr> icl the colors are... ugly
[23:16:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr, replying to bartomelow> oh yeah it needs work bad
[23:16:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to raidarr> I dont think I have.
[23:16:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> also the fixed header is somewhat difficult to read
[23:16:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Can you mark it as declined; Withdrawn?
[23:17:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> Think you reverted your last comment instead
[23:17:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Why does my head wanna hurt now
[23:17:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to pixldev> Always does when you feel the best. Gotta love headaches
[23:18:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> withdrawal complete
[23:18:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to pixldev> Yeah. I am going to have to undo multiple edits (all relevant to my withdrawal)
[23:18:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to raidarr> Oh okay. Thank you!
[23:18:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Very much appreciated!
[23:18:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> :sobbing:
[23:18:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> np, it is good of you to reflect and reconsider
[23:19:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> I think I will enjoy getting to know and talk to people here.
[23:19:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Glad to hear it :heart_bee:
[23:19:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> it will be good to see more of you I believe
[23:20:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Thank you!
[23:20:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> If you have any questions or wanna learn more about the processes of volunteering, feel free to ask us in #volunteering
[23:20:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> I do have another question (I feel bad throwing all these at you)
[23:20:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to pixldev> Alright!
[23:20:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> Please by all means
[23:20:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I like to yap
[23:21:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Me too lol! Thats why I chosw to work front end instead of stock at my workplace.
[23:21:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to pixldev> Raidarr has been around the block a few times and some, and I’ve been here a bit too but not as varied haha
[23:21:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> People are fun
[23:22:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Except when they aren’t! Luckily we get a lot more of the former here
[23:22:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> My question is about the Public Test Wiki. I have noticed a lack in activity in a lot of the higher ranks and was wondering if it would appropriate to request bureaucracy through meta. I have tried my best to help users with my sysop perms but they are still limited.
[23:22:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> that would be requested on wiki
[23:22:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Or I do at least, god bless our brave stewards and T&S team
[23:22:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to raidarr> They did I think
[23:22:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to pixldev> Yeah lol. I am currently training to be a Team Lead which will be pretty interesting lol.
[23:22:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I remember seeing the email
[23:22:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> but there is a shortage of active testwiki eyes and it is a valid route to consider
[23:22:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> But that was probably at 6am :ded:
[23:23:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Ive made many translations on the wiki to make it more widespread to people who dont speak those current languages as well
[23:23:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Growing the community as I say
[23:23:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I mean
[23:24:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Also, I wasnt logged in when I sent the request (Didnt realize it)
[23:24:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to raidarr> I don’t think it’s a bad idea
[23:24:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev, replying to airmankitten203> meta or PTW?
[23:24:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> I can delete if needed
[23:25:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to pixldev> On meta for the PTW request. I was going to request consul due to a lot of them not being offline but it felt more appropriate to rise the ladder rather than requesting straight up.
[23:25:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pixldev> Hi Mr actively works on PTW zppix
[23:25:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Requesting crat on PTW must be done on PTW, I’m an active consul…
[23:25:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> But it still has my user on the request.
[23:26:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Ah. Didnt realize that lol. My apologies. I have submitted a request earlier and I do meet the requirements.
[23:27:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to zppix> Is there anything further I need to do?
[23:28:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> No, just have to wait, I generally give it about a week-ish to allow for discussion
[23:29:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Alright.
[23:29:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203, replying to zppix> Do I submit another if there isnt? Thats what I had to do.
[23:29:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> No
[23:29:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Ok.
[23:31:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Oh another question I had. Twinkle, are we able to add it as a gadget?
[23:33:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> You could try https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Twinkle
[23:34:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zppix> Not entirely certain it works well or not though
[23:36:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> I tried to get it to work on PTW but I dont have import perms yet. I can import the files/javascript for it directly onto the PTW and not have to worry about creating each individual page.
[23:37:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Issue is there isnt any JS or CSS files for it on meta
[23:37:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <airmankitten203> Or as far as I can see