[01:11:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458629153325711572/Screenshot_20260108-031117.jpg?ex=696055c2&is=695f0442&hm=4eb2326b18c3029ce70f869aa32258d34e4eba6c899d8b18c8380d5b4a750dba& [01:11:47] Ah again wiki wont load images [01:12:57] Oh it was fixed [01:26:10] [1/2] It seems that the pages load quicker than the images, as I too experienced this a few times today, and someone else opened a support thread for the same issue: [01:26:10] [2/2] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1457924626884595753 [01:48:41] oh yeah, just had this happen on our wiki. a quick purge fixed it though [04:17:17] wsg [06:33:37] What generally happens after our wiki gets accepted? [06:43:47] you wok on it [06:44:56] And you customize it to your every whim. [06:48:28] And uh…follow the provided guidelines. [06:49:18] [1/2] And please don't make your wiki's skin be the Hot Dog Stand skin! 😭 [06:49:18] [2/2] Yet, it would be a funny gag skin type, though. [06:49:30] Hot Dog Stand skin?! Sob. [06:49:42] That’s a thing? [06:49:55] great april fools idea, thanks [06:50:11] No, but it was a style in the Win9x days. [06:50:20] I’d make the Superstar Racers logo have an AAAAA gag /j [06:50:22] You're welcome. [06:50:31] Lmao. [06:50:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458714506904473650/Untitled3729_20260103013607.png?ex=6960a540&is=695f53c0&hm=7c8788f328728fda8ed6119b717f53bd582a957d44b711cc77492bce81b4cba1& [06:50:52] I already got the file and I made it as a joke [06:51:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458714666657124467/Untitled3635_20251002222601.png?ex=6960a566&is=695f53e6&hm=95660b6ca1f9617bf98c374a9e07cd172655b7a1418998abf95191d2099971f3& [06:51:30] Anddd the logo icon I made for the wiki. [06:51:44] please do that (and don't tell kai) [06:52:13] [1/2] edit gets logged [06:52:13] [2/2] gets annihilated for doing this [06:52:37] gonna do a magic trick called admin abuse [06:53:17] Breaking News in the CONECORP wiki: Trusted automoderated user uploads an absolute gag for the funnies, gets their permissions revoked for doing so. [06:53:41] -# you know Kai? [06:53:43] ok now that's admin abuse [06:53:56] I think I could do that for April Fools [06:53:59] If they allow it [06:54:00] of course I do, we worked together on fisch and dig wikis [06:54:02] That’d be funny [06:54:06] Ooo [06:54:41] I first met them and Splatched on the SR wiki. They worked plenty on the CSS themes while me and other auto modded users collabed on tying the wiki together. [06:54:53] I did a lot on making the gif files. [06:55:09] [[mh:superstarracers/File:RevolverTimeFellas.gif]] is my favorite [06:55:09] [06:55:23] How does this work [06:55:25] Sob. [06:55:59] I really need to read the manuals, idk about CSS it looks cool but complex [06:56:05] {{mh:superstarracers:File:RevolverTimeFellas.gif}} [06:56:08] [06:56:16] pew [06:56:18] My absolute favorite. [06:56:35] I have a few other files related to Sunset Oasis that didn’t make the cut [06:57:08] you should just replace all files with sunset oasis, trust [06:57:45] Sunset Oasis is the entire wiki domain because someone said so. [06:58:28] Speaking of which, I retook a lot of the files for optimization purposes. [06:58:56] See [[mh:superstarracers:User:CandyATHLETE777]] for the uploads whatever that is [06:59:02] [06:59:39] Idk why people considered me as a staff member. I’m auto modded [07:00:08] -# I do not know how to spell “bureaucrat” correctly very well 😭 [07:00:30] Wait I should make a joke subpage of my user that’s just that, lol. [07:01:30] I generally leave the first a lol [07:01:49] most people just say crat or bcrat [07:01:59] crate if you're feeling funny [07:02:08] I say it "burucrate' [07:02:20] bed crate [07:02:22] Cuz I am Indian and fed up of boring bri'ish spellings [07:02:25] bed bug crate [07:02:43] Admins, mods and burucrates [07:02:49] I'm gonna call bureaucrat "bed bug crate" from now on /j [07:02:55] Burrowcrate. Yes, it's a pun off my wiki's Discord server's name. [07:03:13] The Super Blox 64 wiki is so barebones i swear [07:03:17] I'm carrying so hard on the information [07:08:25] crate 😭 [07:08:39] i'm making all talk pages related to me Sunset Oasis now [07:11:26] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1286781930255421546/1428166877787717702/killing_sr_guy.gif [07:19:39] [1/2] oh yeah since im not too familiar about copyright im gonna research about it later on along wiht licenses, espeically the placeholder image i made for superstar racers [07:19:40] [2/2] super blox 64 may come with its own variant because i said so [08:20:04] Can someone please help me with permissions in my wiki? I am working on a wiki about a fictional universe I created and I am trying to make it so that only I (Or anyone else I give admin) can edit the page as currently anyone can [08:20:12] I can't figure out how to myself [08:25:13] See https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_manage_who_can_edit_my_wiki [08:25:42] thanks, I'll have a read [08:28:48] I have attempted what it has said but it didn't work [08:29:18] Link to your wiki? [08:29:33] yeah [08:30:38] I selected '(everyone)' and removed the 'edit' perm, clicked save and it acted like it loaded but when I logged out and opened the site I could still edit [08:33:45] My wiki is about a fictional universe I created, kinda like the Backrooms but a new original idea [08:34:44] #verify first, and then send the link to your wiki. [08:34:56] okay [08:35:52] aight done [08:35:54] https://theois.miraheze.org/ [08:41:28] I have noticed that regular, non-admin users are now not able to edit [08:41:37] Thanks [08:42:49] [1/2] You made the correct move. Perhaps it took a bit for the change to go through. [08:42:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458742732817436775/image.png?ex=6960bf89&is=695f6e09&hm=befd1a5cb3d35b408d3d9482920099dc139429573386d76245c40b81fe976b24& [08:43:46] oh, maybe I should've just waited [08:43:49] thanks for your help [08:44:39] Also one quick question, [08:45:21] I heard you can edit the styling directly via CSS and found the page, do I just write some CSS and put it in or do I have to format it in some sort of way? [08:51:10] [1/2] If you are trying to write stylesheets, you do not need special formatting as long as you are editing the correct page (usually the title ends with CSS and you can see syntax highlighting) [08:51:10] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_write_HTML_and_CSS#Writing_CSS_stylesheets_in_MediaWiki [08:51:32] okay [08:51:33] thanks [08:52:01] I got it to work [08:52:09] I just need to make it actually look good [10:33:57] [1/2] hi all, quick q. I've made sure I've checked all the extensions needed to run Previews and it's been about a week but the previews still don't work. Is there a fix for this? [10:33:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458770698783690814/image.png?ex=6960d995&is=695f8815&hm=b64a0aa0bdda405046bcb26baae1f119b3dbe6644f013033ecce7d378fe95621& [10:36:34] would you happen to be using portableinfobox [10:36:40] Yes [10:36:59] are infoboxes the first thing on your pages [10:37:48] is there a conflict between the two? Because another wiki I'm working on has PI on and it still works even with the infobox being the first thing in the page [10:37:57] Oops didn't mean to reply that was an accident my bad [10:38:54] yes, but can be resolved by setting $wgPortableInfoboxUseHeadings to false [10:39:15] ahh, it should be in setting right? [10:39:23] after that if you make an edit on the page, it should work [10:39:25] yea [10:39:44] Alrighty, thank you ✌️ [10:57:13] It is just all plain grey as it is designed to be editefd [11:02:52] Could you still show a screenshot of it? [11:05:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458778569869365290/Screenshot_from_2026-01-08_11-05-06.png?ex=6960e0e9&is=695f8f69&hm=2c9fe6ac29ef3ed8e37e147cb4f820511a9bd5576a88f75ac80de24d5808d632& [11:16:16] that's a interesting choice, doesn't Cosmos allow you to do that with its configuration settings? [11:16:39] You are ment to alter it, hence why it is all plain grey - it is also stated on the page of the base itself about that [11:18:50] My CSS bases are designed to be a starting point for newer CSS users so they do not have to find all the classes themslves [11:19:28] ahh, that makes sense [11:22:18] I also plan to do one for Timeless and one for Vector Legacy [11:23:13] and that includes Citizen? [11:23:32] I am not touching Citizen with a 10 foot pole [11:23:37] citizen's one is built in [11:23:41] lmao [11:23:51] oh yeah true [11:23:55] see: https://da.gd/citizendoc [11:23:55] forgot about that [11:38:51] Yeah the Cosmos variables are in ManageWiki or wg variables in the absence of [11:43:11] Cosmos ManageWiki is still very uncustomized [11:55:31] [1/3] It's a good start but there are a lot more stuff to cover: menus, TOC, `syntaxhighlight`, `code`, etc. Though it may not have been your intention to make the CSS comprehensive. [11:55:31] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458791222276788428/image.png?ex=6960ecb2&is=695f9b32&hm=94016170da1aca565075d04bab05e87b12074d571497d673ac336926c499d87d& [11:55:32] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458791223677550725/image.png?ex=6960ecb2&is=695f9b32&hm=1200150340ce23e529cffbf53d80544fac18fafe32c0309cecd04f31a2d9899a& [11:59:07] [1/2] I was thinking: there's a script which automatically reads regular stylesheets and then generates the dark mode styles automatically in https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_improve_the_dark_mode_appearance_of_my_wiki#Use_a_script_to_automatically_generate_a_dark_mode_style_sheet. It could be tweaked to search for the closest color in Codex instead. Would've saved a lot o [11:59:07] [2/2] f time overriding each element manually. [12:16:12] [1/4] also the fact that cosmos has ```css [12:16:12] [2/4] body * { [12:16:12] [3/4] font-family: ...; [12:16:12] [4/4] }``` is really annoying [12:16:17] Yeah, ideally there would be some kind of interactive theme designer - but it's difficult to get "on demand" preview of what it would look like when using LESS/Codex since those are replaced by RL before the output is flushed [12:16:37] At least with CSS `var()` those can be changed dynamically and update in real time [12:17:17] It's probably possible to do with Codex tokens/Less but I didn't do much investigation and abandoned my WIP theme designer [12:34:24] :pupCoffeeMH [12:37:40] Maybe in times to come, but not really a high piorty thing [13:06:36] [1/2] wait even the preferences [13:06:37] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458809114259095706/image.png?ex=6960fd5c&is=695fabdc&hm=ce5f780bc5ac4a29f0affde4310aafd411fe1affab756f01347eb791d2ebea83& [13:14:40] OOUI is notoriously difficult to style unfortunately [13:15:10] can we kill OOUI [13:15:31] WMF are trying; Codex just ain't up to par yet though [13:17:11] how good is codex compared to OOUI? [13:19:43] They should make a modal library that doesn't involve loading Vue.js (not even an issue with learning how it works, it's just a chonky boi) [13:23:52] There's OOUI for that ig? [13:24:14] I prefer it; it's just lacking [13:25:14] Yeah but I mean a modal library that doesn't use OOUI [13:32:01] Why would they though when OOUI/Codex are the design systems for WMF? [14:08:29] [1/2] i like monaco [14:08:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458824686187053279/image.png?ex=69610bdc&is=695fba5c&hm=43f3b8e628ea1eea3804c98d2de9ffce321ceb170e11c66181e8150e7599baa4& [17:03:21] [1/2] i've just started to think about styling my wiki on mobile, what is the recommended way to do it? right now it looks okay but the sizing of a lot of stuff looks quite off. [17:03:21] [2/2] in desktop mode it basically looks perfect... i wish there was a way to force enable it [17:16:06] Which skin? [17:16:42] citizen [17:20:26] [1/3] normal vs desktop mode (it would still need some tweaks but it looks so much better) [17:20:26] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458872991621316712/Screenshot_20260108_171940_Chrome.jpg?ex=696138d9&is=695fe759&hm=2091603fc9fd30ec9e0c68edf1bbbc8bea49781ed92c3adf0a8d49269c431201& [17:20:26] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458872992036556800/Screenshot_20260108_171923_Chrome.jpg?ex=696138d9&is=695fe759&hm=8107a0867914ffba7cd31272f9dc7b29a14ce5dfb31a65b98f5815969b76d2b8& [18:10:55] <90gq29> https://realfood.gov/ [18:11:14] <90gq29> us government website using liquid glass and fancy animations what the hell [18:13:21] That website is so weird on mobile [18:13:37] Feels like I got bombarded with ads but those are just what the website is like [18:19:37] One thing that will help is defining/creating classes different styles for different screen widths (using media queries) and using flexboxes if you need to. On your front page right now you have a lot of inline styles - which isn't wrong, but putting the CSS in Citizen.css or Common.css instead would allow any fixes you make to be applied globally. [18:22:47] can you explain a bit more about the first thing you mentioned please, like how would i go about making classes based on screen width? [18:24:14] [1/6] Ah yep, so, here's an example of one I use: [18:24:15] [2/6] ```@media screen and (max-width: 500px) { [18:24:15] [3/6] .fpdesc-title div { [18:24:15] [4/6] width: min-content;} [18:24:16] [5/6] }``` [18:24:16] [6/6] So when the screen is smaller than 501 pixels, use min-content for the width instead of max-content [18:25:15] [1/8] Here's another one: [18:25:15] [2/8] ```/ Mobile: enlarge the space for the wordmark. Fix spacing with search on desktop / [18:25:16] [3/8] @media (max-width: 640px) { [18:25:16] [4/8] .mw-logo-container { [18:25:16] [5/8] max-width: 200px;}} [18:25:17] [6/8] @media (min-width: 641px) { [18:25:17] [7/8] .mw-logo-container {min-width: 13em;} [18:25:17] [8/8] }``` [18:25:42] Give the wordmark a max-width when the screen is smaller than 641 pixels, otherwise give it a min-width [18:26:54] is this something i should do in response to specific problems or should i be doing this on everything i make [18:29:44] [1/2] Kind of depends - the documentation for Citizen says that it's responsive, so overall it should handle gracefully. But for your front page, you could set the width to be at 70% only when the screen is above, say, 900px in width, otherwise show at 100%, which would fix your main page being very narrow as the screen gets smaller [18:29:44] [2/2] But in my experience a lot of it is just back-and-forth on mobile and desktop, and if you happen to spot an issue, figure out why and apply a solution. [18:30:17] that makes a lot of sense actually, thanks sm!! [18:30:38] Happy to help! [19:52:18] How long do pending steward requests tend to take? [19:52:23] I'm in no rush just kinda curious [19:55:23] Depends on the type of request [19:57:11] Alright fair [19:57:16] I won't bother anymore [20:12:28] mechanical things like restricted settings changes usually get done faster than things requiring brainpower and judgement like wiki reports for example [20:12:46] your request looks like the latter [20:35:03] What is a table header's CSS class? [20:35:20] th [20:35:48] not class, an element [20:36:03] tr is row, td is normal cell [20:36:22] What would I type [20:36:35] I want to color all headers at once [20:36:48] First time I had this exact same issue it was just dealt with faster, so I must've gotten extremely lucky. [20:37:00] What would I type? [20:37:03] Stuff changes, miraheze has grown, I acknowledge those [20:37:17] I'm not requesting it be dealt faster I was really genuinely just curious [20:38:13] [1/2] if you all tables i guess `table th { ... }` [20:38:13] [2/2] if you give your tables a class then `.classname th { ... }` [20:39:38] Tried #table th .table th and .wikitable th , no changes [20:40:45] [1/2] is there a reason it doesnt accept pointer-events? i've definitely seen it in others' css [20:40:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1458923405976797204/image.png?ex=696167cd&is=6960164d&hm=df8e89c9ef2836f6e9b4644f5fd801bde93912c7db88093bb74ad7db504fedcd& [20:49:17] it also just has a lot to do with who's handy when and a lot is at the mercy of me having a good on day, NA more so because he's the most active, or some other steward which tends to be on the rarer side [20:49:45] personally had a lot of my wind taken out today looking at an odd impersonation case [20:53:44] [1/2] `table` is an element not class or id, it doesn't need a `.` or `#` [20:53:44] [2/2] wikitable is mediawiki's class, you'll have to use `!important` to override its styles [20:56:14] [1/16] I worked it out [20:56:15] [2/16] .wikitable, .wikitable > * > tr { [20:56:15] [3/16] background-color: var(--table-infobox-primary); [20:56:15] [4/16] border: 1px solid var(--border-color); [20:56:16] [5/16] color: var(--text-primary); [20:56:16] [6/16] } [20:56:16] [7/16] .wikitable > * > tr > td { [20:56:16] [8/16] background-color: var(--table-infobox-primary); [20:56:17] [9/16] border: 1px solid var(--border-color); [20:56:17] [10/16] color: var(--text-primary); [20:56:18] [11/16] } [20:56:18] [12/16] .wikitable > * > tr > th { [20:56:19] [13/16] background-color: var(--table-infobox-secondary); [20:56:19] [14/16] border: 1px solid var(--border-color); [20:56:20] [15/16] color: var(--text-primary); [20:56:20] [16/16] } [20:56:36] ok [20:57:20] Doing like a green on black vector 2022 theme for my of my wikis as it is kinda cyberpunk ish to me [21:04:58] Should I one day try and remake an old Taerel wiki theme for free use? (it was a dark grey glass effect theme) [21:05:57] is this templatestyles? [21:06:18] I hate templatestyles with a passion so I just stick in all on my CSS file [21:06:42] yeah it is [21:07:12] have you enabled TemplateStylesExtender? [21:09:22] i dont know what that is so i assume i havent. what would it do? [21:10:06] allows more stuff to work in TS, because it works in "sanitised CSS" [21:10:20] i see, i'll enable it now. cheers [21:11:12] it's fine tho again idm You guys are doing great work [21:13:15] I do feel I should give back to the commuity that helps me so much [21:18:51] sell your soul ig [21:27:14] That is what FOSS volunteering feels like sometimes [21:29:09] hey @notaracham it seems to me that you have decided to delete this wiki I accidentally deleted data dumps i thought it was download buttons can you do data dumps again please thank you also can i appeal the unban by removing the offensive parts and parts it has defamation [21:34:54] I've retriggered an image backup for you, you'll have to email stewards[at]miraheze.org to appeal the closure [21:39:09] Hey what's everyone up to? [21:43:04] right now I'm replying to a message in #general [21:43:07] #offtopic unless you need something [21:44:05] What do you find the hardest thing to style in MediaWiki using CSS? [21:44:33] svgs that are put as background images instead of mask images [21:45:02] basically every main skin except Vector 2022 and Citizen [21:53:23] Sorry my bad [21:54:10] I bet you could layer a fog effect over the background image (like RuneScape wiki) [21:54:16] <.terrorblades> [1/3] Greetings again, I think my dyslexia is acting up again so I wanted to ask: [21:54:17] <.terrorblades> [2/3] What way do I migrate my wiki to Miraheze while also keeping page history? [21:54:17] <.terrorblades> [3/3] We are a small wiki but I don't want peoples contributions to be lost in the transfer. [21:54:46] Special:Export: Uncheck "only current revison" [21:55:13] Special:Export is per page tho [21:55:49] generating an xml dump will be easier, it will drag every page, including MediaWiki namespace and template, and all history [21:56:03] question is, where original wiki is located [21:56:32] [[Moving a wiki to Miraheze]] [21:56:33] [21:56:42] You can export all pages. I use all pages and copy in the page names from Spical:AllPages [21:57:04] all pages is divided by namespaces, quite a work [21:57:17] <.terrorblades, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> [1/2] This is the thing I am reading and I saw the part of transfering by hand and that the page histroy wouldbe lost. [21:57:17] <.terrorblades, replying to Wiki-Bot#2998> [2/2] I just want to make sure I don't loose peoples contribution [21:57:23] I guess as I do it so much I have become good at it [21:57:49] where is your wiki rn? [21:57:58] <.terrorblades, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Fandom [21:58:09] are you an admin? [21:58:20] <.terrorblades, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Yes founder and admin [22:00:07] [1/2] you can generate xml dump at Special:Statics, at the very bottom request w/ page history [22:00:08] [2/2] but if you need files as well, and they in a considerable amounts, using a bot here would be better [22:03:17] <.terrorblades> Bots use costs money correct? [22:05:53] no???? [22:05:57] why should they [22:06:52] <.terrorblades> When I started looking for tranfer to something else I was told that use of the "infrastructure" would cost money? [22:06:56] i keep forget who else can fire up the bot besides @pixldev [22:07:13] that's when you do hosting by yourself [22:07:16] <.terrorblades> To note I don't want to do this tonight I have work in the morning [22:07:23] look [22:07:35] we have a bot here, in this server, who can archive wikis [22:08:03] it's just certain users can launch, and it seems like time zones is a factor now lol [22:09:09] tech, WRs, stewards etc [22:09:17] digital [22:09:25] but me and now Skye are the main ones who know how [22:09:44] <.terrorblades, replying to theoneandonlylegroom> Haha THank you I'll try and read about it in the mornign! [22:10:06] your fandom wiki link? [22:11:05] but yeah, take your time [22:34:26] One idea for what I could make to help newbies for CSS is how to do diffant effects (such as glass, frosted glass and maybe others)(#... [22:51:28] thank you Can you tell me how i can email the stewards [22:52:13] By opening your email, typing something out and pressing send [22:52:51] Not really a lot I can say tbh [22:53:29] nah what i meant was who are these stewards and how can i access their emails [22:53:42] thanks anyway tho [22:53:48] You don't need to email any individual. It's a group inbox. [22:53:58] Send an email to stewards[at]miraheze.org [22:54:09] It will get picked up by whoever wants to pick it up [22:54:20] ohh [22:54:28] stewards@miraheze.org [22:54:31] thanks [22:54:31] Yes [22:54:53] We mask the @ symbol to make it ever so slightly harder for scrapers to pick it up from the public logs [22:55:14] ehh [22:55:45] probably a placebo at this point imo [22:55:57] Oh yes 100% [22:56:06] But we've been doing it for a decade at this point [22:56:24] not really bothered especially if tradition is the only reason to hang on [22:56:36] not that this is a call to go through lock reasons and all that and change it [22:56:37] scrapers check public logs? [22:56:39] for what [22:56:48] scrapers look at everything and collect emails to spam [22:56:51] Emails they can send spam mail to [22:57:00] Anyway I'm off to sleep [22:57:03] if its on the public internet it can be grabbed [22:57:17] but at that point [at] and all other typical obfuscations should long be accounted for [22:57:45] it matters more if you have a legitimately obscure email, if you have one that needs to be open its the cost of doing business and antispam falls to the provider pretty much [23:37:20] Poof. [23:43:17] Also, why do so many Miraheze Dev Wiki templates have so many depenacies? [23:57:00] the wikipedia templates of codependency and reliance: