[00:00:04] [1/2] As long as the wiki doesn't become a storage dump for assets in the game you should be fine. [00:00:04] [2/2] Every image should be used to reinforce the information on the articles. [00:00:12] the problem with game wikis is not talking about the game but rather using game assets [00:00:44] Sure. I got the assets from the Devs and am not planning on overloading the wiki with every single thing I got from them [00:00:52] then you're good [00:01:06] assuming they gave your permission to use them on the wiki [00:01:43] I don't think ever technically said that I had permission, but it was strongly implied by me asking for them for that purpose. [00:01:48] Its fine to use renders for characters or in some cases screenshots, like if theres a specific bug. But full soundtracks etc. They would probably start to take an issue with. [00:02:08] what I said isn't legal advice btw, just stating that e.g. the Battle Cats wiki has no contact with the game devs, uses so many assets that there's an entire thing to view every animation in the game, and still has got into 0 legal trouble [00:02:45] Nothings ever legal advice lol. [00:03:04] Skye is one of the legal-type people here although I don't know how much of the copyright stuff she does [00:10:34] would be hard to be on the team if I didn't exercise some knowledge in dealing with copyright [00:11:13] the tl;dr is that most of it would fall under free use, and I imagine the developers probably won't come knocking if they gave them to you yourself [00:13:01] not a huge concern yeah [00:13:18] the animation viewer is certainly a risky move and likely wouldn't pass the fair use test [00:14:19] that would, however, be for you and the lawyers to hash out in court if they ever send us a DMCA [00:17:22] does anyone remember this tutorial/beginner's guide page on how to write a lua module [00:29:46] this one? https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Scribunto/Lua_reference_manual [00:30:03] [[User:PetraMagna/lua]] is the general tutorial [00:30:03]

[00:30:17] i like that one more [00:30:58] [[mh:battlecats:Project:Lua]] was written in Fandom times but is a little more detailed [00:30:59]

[00:32:46] sorry I keep on realising how little I know about mh 😭 [00:33:15] We all always learning [00:33:35] no, dw, definitely not a wrong assumption to make that some people wouldn't deal with copyright [00:33:36] oh yeah definitely not. worst comes to worst I can defect to North Korea or something [00:34:02] worst comes to worst you just wont have an animation viewer [00:34:09] that's about it [00:34:39] TL; DR: biggest thing is to make sure you're attributing the rightful owner of the assets on the file page [00:34:58] thanks for the clarification [00:36:25] Absolutely. Near certainly fair use esp if given freely by developers, but still good practice to mention the developers are the originators of the assets [00:41:34] Is there a template for the general wiki pages that show an image in box with info under it and other sections? I’d appreciate the help! [00:41:54] Just a general wiki page. I don’t really know what template that is [00:42:01] Or if it’s a code? [00:43:29] [1/2] if you're talking like this then [[Help:Infoboxes]] [00:43:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1470218513489854575/image.png?ex=698a7f30&is=69892db0&hm=f4144b4deefb655c45cfd1b0b2bfb7e726e60d4121cdc403cd83367f6363c9ea& [00:43:30]

[00:49:00] hey guys [00:49:04] look under there [00:52:21] Lol [00:52:42] Probs an #offtopic thing tho [00:56:39] what do you mean by "there"? where is "there"? [00:57:47] please direct all nonsensical conversation starters to #offtopic [00:58:45] yes it was this one [00:58:58] right under there [02:05:28] quick question, is there a way to add alt text to images when updating them? [02:07:49] if not, is there a way to implement alt text in the portable infobox? [02:08:11] you can't really add alt text to images, no, you can only add alt text when you're using them [02:08:17] lemme double check if you can add alt text to PI [02:09:37] okay, so alt syntax appears to be `` i think? untested tho [02:11:00] ill try that, thanks [02:13:13] doesn't seem to work, ill put a caption describing the image in the infobox, hopefully it should work for screenreaders [02:30:42] [1/2] how do i change this [02:30:42] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1470245494490927372/image.png?ex=698a9851&is=698946d1&hm=0cb5e402e5571202d80c3c9ae5c71eadee7d9c6a7684dc0d2d5b35b542e7de3f& [03:09:43] [1/3] I just got an email saying that an extension my wiki uses is being removed in MW 1.45. However it is not on the page [03:09:43] [2/3] [03:09:43] [3/3] I have a feeling it's Extension:MassEditRegex cause I noticed the page said it was incompatible with 1.45, however it does not have an entry on this page and my other wiki which also uses it did not get the email [03:10:07] Hi [03:10:23] I just created mi wiki but i dont know where to go [03:10:44] From which wiki did you receive the email? [03:10:57] ZeroRanger Wiki [03:11:24] the wiki that did not get the email is Void Stranger Wiki, but they should have identical extensions (I may have forgotten to sync one or two changes though) [03:11:40] :moonch: [03:11:48] Someone answer me aghhh [03:11:49] MassEditRegex is not being removed. That one has a much heavier use case we would do everything we can to maintain high use extensions before removal. Just to clarify. [03:12:10] Whats your username onwiki [03:12:37] HitZack [03:12:48] interesting. but the extension page says it's not compatible. what happens with it then [03:13:06] We can probably fix it ourselves if thats the case. [03:13:08] I just created it ,but i dont know how to go to it and post something and that [03:13:09] It has Flow enabled. [03:13:49] youversuspeter.miraheze.org [03:14:07] Though Flow is in a slightly different situation compared with the other extensions on the list: with enough popularity and clear use cases we might be able to fix the other ones, but Flow is going away since not even the WMF is willing to maintain it. [03:14:26] huh ok. could have sworn it was unchecked when I searched managewiki [03:14:40] (in the toilet now) [03:15:06] good to know. I rely on it quite a bit [03:15:54] [1/2] It's this one. Since it is a restricted extension is may seem to be grayed out, which probably led to the confusion. [03:15:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1470256870995267695/image.png?ex=698aa2ea&is=6989516a&hm=e626bee3e74fd39bfebc9658383f4cbc3050a70dcd229255e80cd62a132c0398& [03:15:59] Thank u [03:18:08] ah yeah that's probably what happened [03:18:36] and since it's restricted I wouldn't have been able to disable it when syncing [03:29:13] [1/3] another quick question regarding alt text, im trying to assign alt text to a gallery image, but its making the alt text the caption. [03:29:13] [2/3] Not sure what to do because im following what mediawiki shows as an example [03:29:14] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1470260222546280458/image.png?ex=698aa609&is=69895489&hm=c58ce7bd7fdf47043399007413fc6faf69428e80721d9c6a98e8cc1437978ebf& [03:29:32] these alt texts kinda suck I KNOW, im just testing stuff out [03:30:14] No shame in it, a great start [03:31:17] [1/2] this is what i put for the alt text [03:31:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1470260742769868943/image.png?ex=698aa685&is=69895505&hm=88f26dfdd0938bde3322e9c0ed10e90856de92d6cd3f8e7267235d7abb33f471& [03:37:36] might start a post for this [03:38:20] Good idea, #support is a great venue for issues if you aren't getting a quick answer [03:39:06] I am remote, juggling a lot of things, so am useless for a quick answer sorry to say [03:40:18] no worries [04:03:43] [1/2] Backreading, sorry for the late reply!- portable infobox alt text can be added to images by doing something like this: [04:03:43] [2/2] `{{{title1}}} fullbody preview./default/alt` [04:05:43] [1/2] Template example: [04:05:43] [2/2] Usage example: [04:29:57] Oh actually i didn’t know this bit, that’s helpful [04:29:59] Thanks [04:31:05] 🫶 Np! I know Fandom have fixed some alt text issues with galleries and such on their end in the Portable Infobox space, but they don't maintain a public repo anymore and so those fixes haven't propagated to the publicly maintained version, I believe [04:31:13] I did ask if they would share that but never received a response [05:10:54] i wish they had a channel here to recruit help for editing your wiki [05:25:23] #server-invites!!!! [05:32:32] Unfortunately, the best traction you'll get is putting out an invite on a server more dedicated to your topic, but you still might get a bit here too [05:45:18] i dont have access [05:45:22] it says no access [05:48:29] verify your wiki account [05:48:34] #verify [05:57:31] Love it 🥹 [07:31:49] @Wiki Reviewers Would I be able to talk with anyone about my wikis? I have a few questions about scope and policy, and am unsure about a few things, but idk who to ask. [07:36:13] i created post in #General and policy inquiries., probably should have done that first, sorry [07:49:28] y’all I’m new here [07:49:48] hi welcome [07:50:14] what’s this place about [07:50:37] is this just random people hangout? [07:50:51] hi forsaken fan [07:51:01] basically miraheze is like the handler of the forsaken wiki [07:51:29] and this server is for people who have made wikis under miraheze and need help n stuff [07:51:38] oh [07:51:50] its pretty nerdy ! [07:52:50] so everyone here made a wiki or a dev what’s going on [07:57:00] most people, yeag [07:57:10] there's prolly like one person who hasn't lol [08:14:02] If I want to fork a wiki from Fandom to Miraheze, is there a way to automatically scrape images from the Fandom wiki and have them uploaded to the new Miraheze wiki while retaining the names of the original uploader and file history? [08:14:45] wiki.gg and even Weird Gloop have their own internal tools that allow for importing content and images (with history) [08:36:48] am i able to host a new wiki under the same domain as a deleted wiki? i've had a change of heart & motivation but I may have deleted the wiki I want to work on, lol, and was considering redoing it [09:31:04] Yup [09:31:17] Which wiki [09:31:42] [09:31:52] I wasn't sure so i went and filed for undeletion just in case [09:33:23] If you cancel the undeletion then I can hard delete the old one at some point today @nyxxed [09:33:52] That'll let you create a new one but it will mean your old one can't be recovered [09:34:00] thats fine, i had next to nothing on it anyways [09:35:08] I don't believe i can delete it or anything, would I just leave a reply saying i'd like to cancel the undeletion? [09:35:21] Ye [09:35:59] 👍 [09:36:03] preciate it [09:38:53] sounds, complicated as hell [09:39:24] [1/2] i mean scraping images from fandom is a thing [09:39:25] [2/2] But like scraping the images and then dumping them into a miraheze wiki while retaining their original names sounds painful [09:39:53] some dude prolly thought abt this and made a thing in github idk lmao [09:40:01] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [09:40:22] github dot com help us [09:41:00] not really, I'm just curious if there's a tool that scraps all images from the fandom wiki with history and everything [09:41:10] don't wanna manually download and upload them to the wiki on my own [09:41:16] with history? [09:41:17] ooo damn [09:41:23] yeah [09:41:51] [1/2] you can check dev.fandom [09:41:51] [2/2] last time i checked they have a pretty basic image scraper [09:42:27] [1/2] for uploading i used a script to make a bot account mass upload them [09:42:28] [2/2] i think i have the script somewhere in my computer lol [10:00:38] They use the grabbers which were written by Ciencia who runs WikiDex [10:00:40] And are OSS [10:03:50] @nyxxed done, you can make a new wiki request [10:05:40] thank you! 🫶 [10:15:41] all sent ! now hopefully it gets approved before the urge to work on it burns out again 😭 [10:15:55] (no rush to anyone im just shitting on myself mostly) [14:37:45] [1/4] for this mapping of contributions of foreign, imported user IDs to Miraheze CentralAuth-associated user IDs based on a mapping from dump user IDs to Miraheze CentralAuth user IDs (`.query.users[].centralids.CentralAuth` in `api.php?action=query&list=users&usprop=centralids` results), would the Miraheze users need to have logins on any specific wiki (not including ` [14:37:45] [2/4] loginwiki`, i suppose?)? specifically, the plan is to reset & reimport (database name `b3313wiki`), and I want to make sure now, before I deploy a tool to automatically verify users to help build this user mapping, that I don't need to have users make an account on pre-reset `b3313wiki` specifically. [14:37:45] [3/4] i know the user IDs won't cary over into the reset & reimport, but I realized Miraheze may not be comfortable with creating local accounts for users off of a local wiki bureaucrat's word. [14:37:46] [4/4] (sorry to ask again on Discord about this but i don't want to open the big migration task on Maniphest yet.) [15:20:39] can't really assign edits to miraheze accounts unless they're linked to the wiki [15:44:48] [1/3] CentralAuth does have the `centralauth-createlocal` group / `createlocalaccount` permission / [`api.php?action=createlocalaccount`]() ([service]( [2/3] es/User/CentralAuthForcedLocalCreationService.php;369e13caaf6516a86c25376d635363d9096766d3>)), though looking at `MediaWiki\Extension\CentralAuth\User\CentralAuthForcedLocalCreationService` that wouldn't be applicable here because, letting `$user = $this->userFactory->newFromName( $username );`, `$user->getId()` would return `true` and it'd fail with `(centra [15:44:49] [3/3] lauth-createlocal-already-exists)` because the local users exist (but they aren't associated with CentralAuth yet). [16:24:13] @bb010g hi, what's the problem you're actually trying to solve [16:24:30] @rhinosf1 [16:25:18] We can assign edits from an imported prefix to a real account [16:25:27] Stop solutionising please [16:25:43] If we import an xml, the pages will get prefix>username [16:25:58] We can change prefix>username to their actual username easily [16:26:35] That is a standard service we offer without you needing to look at CentralAuth code. It just needs to be requested via Phorge with which users to assign to what. [16:29:56] i was previously told that XML importing can't import deleted pages [16:33:34] Never checked but we only offer XML imports [16:33:44] you've done SQL dump imports in the past [16:33:51] We haven't offered SQL imports for years and we don't offer SQL exports [16:34:01] That doesn't mean we do it now [16:34:38] There might be the very rare case but they are complex and require much resource to do than an XML import [16:34:46] So we don't offer them [16:35:08] bleh. anyways, my main question was whether it'd be against Miraheze policy to effectively force create a local account as a part of an import process. the technical specifics don't matter much [16:35:52] That's a standard service we can happily offer if the accounts exist [16:36:21] If they don't, we can mass create accounts for you with a list of usernames and emails [16:37:40] okay. we're putting together a mapping of import user names/IDs to Miraheze CentralAuth user names/IDs to present along with the import dump, so if I understand correctly that information should be sufficient [16:38:08] and it will not be a hard requirement for a user to have already created a local account on the pre-reset wiki [16:38:24] A list of usernames in the dump v Miraheze usernames is all we need [16:38:33] Please use names not ids [16:38:47] i'll just give both for peace of mind [16:38:53] We can force local account creation or create new ones [16:38:55] ids are completely irrelevant with XML dumps since they all get assigned to an actor id of 0 [16:39:49] i'm happy to work dump format specifics out in a task later [16:50:35] Welp, time to do wiki translations, what do you guys suggest...? Multiple wikis(interwiki) or language subpages? 🤔 [16:51:08] (Or is there anything better?) And I did research this topic, nothing seems to be "perfect" and that sucks big time [16:52:42] There is no good answer [16:53:04] Language subpages and translate is probably easier if you haven't got many editors [16:54:46]