[00:01:50] anything that gets them traffic with minimal legal repercussions is worth keeping [00:36:03] You could say its the artificial authority... [00:37:47] [1/3] That's pretty much it, yes. [00:37:48] [2/3] Fandom has it in their TOS that a wiki cannot be shut down usually. [00:37:48] [3/3] Alternatively, you could request that the wiki's URL be changed, so that it could be turned into something else entirely. Though even that is iffy from what I've heard, but likely easier than requesting a shutdown [02:54:35] do you mean "unoriginal insurgency", the evil counterpart? [03:11:19] The fake.... idk really... [03:17:28] Hi, you rang? [03:47:24] How would I setup an array of values for a template so that I don't need to setup 8 different varriables? [04:12:05] [1/3] You have many options, and that's the hard part: decide which to pick and learn its quirks. [04:12:06] [2/3] [Extension:Arrays](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Arrays) and [Extension:ParserPower](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ParserPower) allow you manipulate arrays. I assume that what you want is looping functionality, so [Extension:Loops](https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Loops) come to mind, though you'll be better off using Pars [04:12:06] [3/3] erPower which probably works better on future MW versions (especially when Parsoid comes around). [05:03:27] [1/2] Is there a way to force a table to not be lower than an info box so its not sharing space like this? [05:03:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473545427382177840/image.png?ex=6996999f&is=6995481f&hm=afa6651c47b5d2f0203d9418a162b6a8b164cb796db4fecfa29f5cd9102b880d& [05:50:56] _ _ [05:54:47] you can place `
` in between them [07:34:36] [1/2] even despite the infobox's size.... [07:34:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473583464925368450/image.png?ex=6996bd0b&is=69956b8b&hm=e212960bd5f2bae31df6cb079bcf2a0a24f2ed3168bd2a3fac1bc9b158b2bcbb& [07:35:10] The labels still get this form [07:35:22] i swear i remember doing something about this... [07:35:32] hm? [07:36:14] it'll take a while but if nobody else responds i'll try to find the code i have to fix it [07:40:09] is that a portable infobox? [07:44:12] nevermind i don't think i have the code to fix that 💀 [08:06:07] [1/3] i should ask this now since i would do so in the near future [08:06:07] [2/3] how do you delete comments in the commenstreams extension, as i let other people comment and it seems i could not delete those comments in question [08:06:07] [3/3] i gave myself those commen streams mod permission or something but then again it doesnt seem to fix it [08:06:16] moderating this is gonna be crazy [08:07:18] additional question: is it possible to put them, in lets say pages as having many comments in one page will take long to scroll vertically [08:19:20] [1/2] If everything works there should be a moderator delete button. IIRC it (`cs-moderator-delete`) is available to sysops by default, but maybe you need to add it manually. [08:19:21] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473594723737403546/image.png?ex=6996c788&is=69957608&hm=d8e5398ea36a96818c1c2a5903f2161c8d46f888a8f1e8d524566dfe24767ed0& [08:23:37] they have 3 groups with that right on their wiki [08:31:18] huh [08:31:52] i dont see the delete button on top-level comments either [08:35:42] ohhhh that's stupid [08:36:03] you can only delete top level comments after deleting all the sub comments by default [08:36:25] need to enable fast delete if you dont want that [09:15:25] Ohhh [09:16:02] i should have clarified i could delete like top level comments [09:16:14] And my comments at that [09:17:39] anyway i could only delete replies lol [12:35:10] [1/2] I am struggling to work with the other language extension [12:35:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473659105955807323/image-114.png?ex=6997037e&is=6995b1fe&hm=1ea48746aa27d2c0d01932811081c98a62482fadbb0524a98f57de5c2bffe4c4& [12:35:20] It doesn't seem to allow us to connect pages [13:12:18] do the mappingwiki wikis actually intend on hosting any structured data with wikibase? [13:13:16] I mean is that the only solution [13:13:22] If so we can seek to do that [13:13:34] I really just don't understand how this framework works [13:13:41] the much easier and much less involved solution is to just use interwiki https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki#Interwiki_links_to_other_languages [13:16:30] Oh thank you! [13:20:56] for reference, handling language links via wikibase would involve making entries like https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q42671570 and specifying the links there (in this case, in the Wikipedia section) [13:21:22] wow im surprised we have an enwiki page again [13:24:06] Btw another thing we've done a request for the spanish wiki recently, but we've also gotten the need for the Portuguese wiki, but it has given me a cooldown thst has persisted for some days so I haven't been able to make the latter request. Is there any other limit attached? [13:24:35] It says "wait some minutes" but it clearly hasn't faded after days. I'm fine waiting longer but just curious. [13:25:32] [1/2] it does suffer from not clearly communicating the limit, yeah [13:25:32] [2/2] iirc it was 3 or 4 days [13:25:40] Alright [13:25:42] I'll wait then [13:25:50] If there's any faster way I'd appreciate knowing [13:26:00] Specially when I have some moderators currently awaiting for tjis [13:26:11] And this happens to be a stopgap [13:26:27] Thanks for the help [13:28:13] we have miraheze-tan?? [13:28:35] [1/2] you can try asking the stewards for a temporary ratelimit bypass [13:28:35] [2/2] from a technical standpoint all they need to do is give you the `noratelimit` right on meta [13:28:37] uh, didn't this article have the same RS problem? [13:28:53] funny you mention that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Miraheze_(3rd_nomination) [13:29:05] cant wait for the 4th [13:31:06] imo the one in the draft space is a lot better but that still hasnt proven to be good enough as recently as the 6th of this month [13:32:31] @rhinosf1 bets on how long is gonna last? [13:33:07] So a stewards request? [13:33:08] Not [13:33:13] It's got no sources [13:33:28] deleted before the end of the month [13:33:32] I mean I feel that'd just take as much time as the request anyways so it's ultimately kind of useless. [13:33:57] emailing may or may not be quicker [13:34:14] you can also camp in chat and hope to grab one's attention [13:34:19] That's fair [13:34:36] I really don't want to overannoy [13:34:52] All volunteers after all [13:35:17] only if you annoy them in an annoying way [13:35:40] it's hard to annoy me if you meow at me :3 [13:36:06] we are yet to plant a crazy catlady into the ranks of stewardship [13:36:18] touche [13:36:21] It's only a matter of time [13:36:25] you wanna start? [13:36:32] They'll take over before we know it [13:37:26] please i have code to beat i dont have the resources to ban 32 LTAs a day [13:42:13] no particular opposition to it [13:49:50] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Community_portal#Categories_not_populating_properly I think is the same issue? [13:52:07] Hi [13:52:34] I'm pretty much a new miraheze editor [13:52:41] Started last month [13:55:33] [1/2] Also what are these lines called? [13:55:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473679335721533641/Screenshot_20260218_215439_com_android_chrome_CustomTabActivity.jpg?ex=69971655&is=6995c4d5&hm=a3eb84416c92e3c178eea9c2bd69b5efd2427d752bc860e926475128a924a7ed& [13:56:11] could you link the page ( #verify first)? [13:56:16] Ok [13:56:41] is this violence against code? codeophobia? [13:57:10] what if I really aggressively meow at you :3 [13:58:52] depends on my mental state lol [13:59:29] Done [14:02:10] Also [14:02:13] https://esqueterriaourhome.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [14:03:07] This is a wiki that was made [14:03:12] By me [14:16:30] me i am waiting on my wiki request to get approved [15:15:09] what should i put in MediaWiki:Licenses so that it appears as an option in the dropdown menu "Licensing:" ? [15:18:09] (at file uploads) [15:20:04] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Image_administration#Licensing [15:21:10] thx! [15:22:55] [1/2] I would say, it's more accurate to say the categories update very late. But the text is larger looking at older revisions, it happened about the same time as Special pages disappearing from the tools [15:22:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473701320367276082/1.jpg?ex=69972ace&is=6995d94e&hm=fb6e272383bedb053abb0b3196c66824b864808693b679c2d97eb510a6f1ed24& [15:24:26] the categories thing is definitely to do with 1.45, I think tech had a fix but it won't have propagated everywhere. I was referring to the special pages [15:25:26] yeah it appears to be the same issue as described on the community portal [15:31:06] [1/2] The label size in a portable infobox is determined by the `flex-basis` value for `.pi-data-label`, which you can see using Inspect Element / dev tools in your browser. It defaults to 190px. To widen the data label field, set `.pi-data-label {flex-basis: 25%}` (or whatever value you want) in MediaWiki/Common.css. [15:31:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473703381280493700/image.png?ex=69972cba&is=6995db3a&hm=df461f07800e34810f7a2187191262ca942560eb340f32ac65123080676e89a6& [16:00:34] @kiju1108 sorry to bother you , i dont know if you someone that could be handeling that or not , but i have made a wiki request and i didnt have any answer on my wiki request , and i am waiting for it [16:00:59] It can be a few days to a week at most for a reply [16:01:14] Please don't ping random people [16:02:08] :3 [16:09:53] [1/2] Hi, do anyone know where can I change this confirmation code, etc.? [16:09:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473713141472039135/Screenshot_2026-02-18-18-04-50-49_4641ebc0df1485bf6b47ebd018b5ee76.jpg?ex=699735d1&is=6995e451&hm=074314e7ddcfe09cd6cbeb23911f5eec55f2a920fb3c363ec8b7091e67e9b425& [16:10:22] It is my wiki but not registered users can't create pages [16:11:49] [1/5] Hello, I have a question about uploading images and copyright that I'm not really sure on. [16:11:49] [2/5] I had a look at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Help:How_to_upload_files_and_choose_the_right_license. [16:11:49] [3/5] It seems like it's not allowed to upload things like video game sprites without permission? Which is a bit confusing because images like that are kind of a big part of video game wikis and the like. [16:11:49] [4/5] I'm personally working on a wiki for homebrew content created for a TTRPG, and some people want to make "ports" of things from other IPs, like when someone makes a 5e statblock for a Pokémon or something. Do these rulings mean that the wiki shouldn't allow people to, say, upload a Pokémon sprite to the wiki for the pages they make porting them? I've seen other miraheze wikis for video [16:11:50] [5/5] games so I'm a little confused on how this works. [16:13:12] captchas are currently broken on visual editor, please try submitting the edit on the source editor [16:14:08] theres a thing in copyright law called fair dealing (also known as fair use in the usa), which allows some wikis to use all rights reserved stuff since they are documenting it for an educational purpose [16:15:05] [1/2] so something like this (a page made for a video game creature by one user) be fine? would i not have to forbid image uploads like that in the rules? [16:15:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473714450778423306/image.png?ex=69973709&is=6995e589&hm=e4902d665eba10e84bf32cf30ca4b7b08f4556296aaafb868d92beae6b74916b& [16:15:35] provided it is required to document the irl thing, you could [16:15:52] but if its for an original work, no [16:16:12] could you please elaborate? im not sure im understanding that sentence properly [16:17:13] basically: if you are documenting a real-life thing, you can use a copyrighted image of said thing [16:18:29] but if you are just using the copyrighted image of real-life thing and you arent doing something thats can be exempted under fair dealing (parody, documentation, commentary, etc.), you cant [16:19:43] [1/2] and by real-life thing you also mean stuff like video game sprites because theyre real IP? [16:19:43] [2/2] cause using photos of bugs isnt really on the table for this i think [16:20:33] otherwise i dont think the irl thing really applies? sorry, i feel stupid for being confused about this [16:20:45] yep [16:21:42] i wonder if porting stuff from other IPs into a ttrpg by giving them homebrew statblocks and such falls under fair use [16:21:56] likely not [16:22:00] nope [16:22:04] it's not quite documentary and not quite parody [16:22:07] damn [16:22:24] i guess that means i'll have to tell people not to upload sprites n such on these pages [16:22:58] you can always make your own [16:23:29] im not making custom art for other people's statblocks of a pikachu or whatever 😔 [16:23:35] either way it's good to be clear on it now [16:23:41] thanks [16:24:00] i think having pikachu is also a copyright violation [16:24:09] this doesnt only apply to images [16:24:42] the illegality of making a free fanmade statblock for a pikachu in dnd...... [16:25:35] well, better be disappointed now than the homebrew wiki getting an admin warning [16:25:48] [1/2] you can do it until nintendo catches your ass [16:25:48] [2/2] ^ do not actually try this [16:26:06] that is pretty insane though tbh [16:26:37] Nintendo is hyperagressive with their copyright, I'd advise avoiding it if it's even a grey area. [16:27:25] some people place their works under certain licences that allow you to do what you want to do, provided you follow certain terms [16:27:45] [1/2] hmmgh i did make some pokemon statblocks that i was hoping to upload... [16:27:45] [2/2] is that why the mario miraheze wiki was shut down? i did a bit of probing regarding video game wikis [16:28:05] like ars magica, which is under cc by-sa 4.0 [16:28:21] was the wiki like educational [16:28:48] idk i went on the gazetteer of wikis page, saw a mario one, clicked on it and saw that it wtas removed [16:29:14] I'm assuming it was a standard video game wiki [16:31:07] mario wiki on miraheze probably shut down to inactivity because there is simply a much better variant at https://www.mariowiki.com [16:31:49] I see [16:41:04] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473720988188414069/image.png?ex=69973d1f&is=6995eb9f&hm=63fe08810335896edef203a0de66d60f51c7d14e78887d93bef50bc775bc2654& [16:58:30] Sure, that would work [17:01:05] Or make an template to do that [17:28:02] It's same result [17:28:17] The label field didn't change. [17:32:46] Please press ALT+F5 or CTRL+F5 in your browser [17:32:59] The problem is caching [18:26:24] images and files seem to be not loading on phwiki and im not sure why, is this working for anyone else? [18:26:34] oh nevermind as soon as i sent that it fixed LMFAO [19:12:42] How do I sent default information in an info box? [19:30:30] Like "style="text-align:center" ? [19:40:28] maybe, I [19:42:45] [1/2] What would be the rest of the syntax? I have this currently. [19:42:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473766711558803580/image.png?ex=699767b5&is=69961635&hm=23998d5316ec1e53fc1c5cf981863ec1e59c4affe7530af774d4d2d5ba389f04& [19:44:01] WWR can i dm you? [19:44:29] Are you looking for something like
/div ? [19:44:47] I don't know what I'm looking for. [19:44:52] [1/5] not illegal if you don't get caught /hj [19:44:52] [2/5] the reason you might see pokemon sprites on other wikis is simply because the copyright holders don't care enough to send a takedown request. The Pokemon Company could send a takedown request tomorrow and these wikis would be forced to remove a massive amount of content. [19:44:52] [3/5] AFAIK Miraheze's Trust and Safety doesn't get that many takedown requests, so as of right now global copyright enforcement is only done when legally necessary (unlike, say, YouTube, which actively scans for violations). Therefore you can use copyrighted assets on your wiki, but note that doing so is a risk (probably not a big one, especially if the wiki is q [19:44:53] [4/5] uite small). Worst that can happen though is that you have to delete copyrighted stuff. [19:44:53] [5/5] Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, this is just my understanding based on previous discussions about copyright in this server and in other places [19:45:44] what about? [19:46:04] well have a try and see if that works [19:46:45] [1/2] This doesn't show up. [19:46:45] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473767711241801818/image.png?ex=699768a3&is=69961723&hm=bea26cee62f1f00a2a3bd7c4209eab07b7eeb372c3ac83d17f874c0720cbc71f& [19:46:47] access removal request, i dont see if i succeeded in sending a ticket. failed to save when i applied for it [19:47:12] dont even know if the account i accidentaly gave acces to exists [19:47:18] why is everything so ocmplicated [19:47:19] K, okay I got it now [19:47:35] With portable infoboxes, you use CSS to style it. Add `.portable-infobox .pi-data-value {text-align: center;}` for the value, and `.portable-infobox .pi-data-label {justify-content: center;}` to MediaWiki:Common.css [19:48:34] approach at your own risk, usually if there is an issue the procedure is a rights holder reaches out and says cut that out and then you cut it out [19:48:57] but for most of the internet that is generally the attitude and miraheze does not enforce unusually stiffly in this area [19:49:24] is this for [[SR/P]]? [19:49:24] [19:49:56] sometimes requests there just quietly fail because there is a bug that nobody can seem to fix with a captcha that exists using the prompt form if you don't have autoconfirm plus there [19:50:03] yes [19:50:20] only looparound then is to auto/confirm or edit in manually [19:50:58] do i need to do that if i can just catch WWR here [19:51:03] my discord is verified [19:51:32] Raidarr is a steward and can see your wiki so he's better-equipped to deal with it than me lol [19:52:02] oh [19:52:04] (of course that is if he's available) [19:52:34] i dont know what ranks are. hence the mistake with the bureaocrat role [19:53:10] anyone meta admin or higher in the chain there can confirm manually as needed [19:53:21] so either of us can if that's the course you want to go with that [19:53:26] should have studied the resources longer i guess, but seemed overkill for a simple project [19:53:49] pls do. its an nfsw wiki though so i link it in dm or here? [19:54:29] dm is preferable or if you just want me to look at teh whole thing you can just ut down the subdomain name in here (since you already indicated its nsfw for discretion) and I'll look from start to finish [19:55:02] I'm assuming it's `starperiphery` [19:55:08] but it's private so I can't see it [19:56:41] yes, sent him in dm. started setting it up today so private for now [20:14:59] Is #var_final a thing in the version of the Variables extension available on Miraheze? [20:18:08] Relatedly (before I embarrass myself with a link to the relevant misbehaving template): how bad is it to use a bunch of Expensive parser functions in one template? [20:18:41] You may eventually hit a limit and it could slow your page down [20:21:02] meer a heez [20:21:18] I just don't want to, like, use a drastically disproportionate amount of Miraheze's resources. [20:24:01] Yes. We should be running a version of MW with the var_final patch. The documentation on mediawiki.org needs to be updated. [20:25:13] [1/2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Don't_worry_about_performance [20:25:13] [2/2] Miraheze has countless measures in place to prevent this, e.g. even when the forsaken wiki opened up to thousands of visitors while using `NOCACHE` on the main page, Miraheze was perfectly fine. [20:27:57] beyond 99 expensive functions there's basically no cost since the page just won't load fully. bad performance only really affects your readers (and also makes pages slower to preview). if you were in serious danger of disproportionately using up Miraheze's resources, then tech/stewards would tell you [20:28:20] Oh, good. That sets my mind at ease! [20:38:33] [1/6] Relevant issue: [20:38:34] [2/6] I've got a template that checks whether various categories exist, and prints links to any that do. [20:38:34] [3/6] I'm trying to get it so that it checks whether any such links have been printed, and if so, print a subheader above them; otherwise, it should not print anything at all. [20:38:34] [4/6] To accomplish that, I'm trying to put a #vardefine wherever it prints a link, and then at the beginning of the template check #var_final for whether anything's set the variable. [20:38:35] [5/6] But everything I'm trying just makes the subheader either always print or never print. [20:38:35] [6/6] https://highseasunity.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:RelatedCategories [20:42:48] I am having a bit of confusion about how to get a custom domain set up [20:44:19] I have the site https://order.life and I would want https://lifeism.miraheze.org/wiki/ to be only under the w and wiki prefixes, so https://order.life/wiki and https://order.life/w is this even possible? [20:50:54] [1/3] If you just have `{{#var_final:RCE }}` you'll see that it does say `exist`. [20:50:54] [2/3] My hypothesis is that to do what you want, the parser needs to delay the evaluation of `{{#ifeq: {{#var_final:RCE }} | exist |

Related Categories/h2 | }}` until the entire page is parsed, which is not possible. It needs to evaluate the ifeq immediately even though var_final has not come in yet. [20:50:55] [3/3] As a workaround, set RCE to `

Related Categories/h2` and then just use `{{#var_final:RCE}}` without the if. [20:51:29] OHHEY that's a genius workaround [20:53:33] Hey i just got my first wiki on Miraheze, i was wondering if there was a well known tutorial video series somewhere to help get started since i really have no clue what to do [20:57:38] And it worked like a charm! Thanks, PetraMagna! [21:08:08] is there anything that prohibits hiding a page footer [21:08:13] or is that fine to do [21:08:44] Page footer or the wiki footer [21:09:03] page footer [21:09:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1473788472274718833/image.png?ex=69977bf9&is=69962a79&hm=8dc40d997841cd3cc006fde4fe54cb70dd7f263325132f68f7c857e0107d6aa3& [21:10:25] i wonder if hiding the licence gives copyright troubles [21:12:10] Probably? [21:12:44] Or license just becomes "unknown" I guess [21:12:50] yea thats why im curious [21:12:56] Or be defaulted to CC BY-SA 4.0 anyway [21:19:45] [1/2] Welcome, these guides are a good starting point [21:19:46] [2/2] [21:29:34] <.terrorblades> Hay I made a request to import my Wiki but it turns out that someone else might do it? [21:31:02] [1/2] I think SMW made a video series on YouTube. I have never watched it but would assume that it's good enough to get you started. [21:31:02] [2/2] Wiki editors usually prefer text over videos (for obvious reasons), hence the lack of video tutorials. Besides Jane's link, there's also https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Contents which is general MediaWiki help. [22:19:03] damn [22:25:43] who is SMW? [22:39:07] semantic mediawiki [22:39:08] semantic mediawiki, an extension [22:39:16] not an individual person [22:40:11] [[mw:SMW]] [22:40:11] [22:45:30] id like to change handle who has editing rights so i made a custom role, but inSpecial:UserRights its in the 'groups you cannot change' category, so i cant assign it. any1 knows why? [22:46:16] (gave it same rights as users had) [22:48:08] go to Special:ManageWiki/permissions and go to bureaucrats' permissions [22:48:16] then there should be a tab for group assignments [22:49:01] thanks! [23:06:31] guess whos back [23:17:21] Shady's back? [23:17:48] yes [23:17:50] call a friend [23:59:29] i got a notification that my description is too brosd [23:59:42] i cant even see the full thing and how do i even respond to it [23:59:56] oh nvm