[00:40:15] Why was theemperorpenguinz locked? [00:40:34] I was wondering this as he was a friend of mine [00:43:57] you should be able to view the block reason publicly [00:45:09] Oh, I didn't know he abused alts [00:45:23] I only knew 2 accounts [00:49:57] What did he do prior to sockpuppetting? [00:52:03] do you mean like contributions? [00:52:08] you can view those to [01:08:50] [1/2] forgot the name of the page responsible for allowing changes to the heading tab. could someone pls remind me? 😩 [01:08:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486532345115971644/image.png?ex=69c5d8a1&is=69c48721&hm=94d409dbdf727a391cd04fbc57c13782bbfff66f8336f1b80fe639bb079e59b6& [01:13:13] on cosmos it's MediaWiki:Cosmos-navigation I believe [01:13:22] but generally you'd do MediaWiki:Sidebar [01:13:42] thank u !!! [02:35:38] Hey, odd question but can i just transfer over all the templates from another wiki? I have granted permission from them, im just hoping that theres and easy way of doing it [02:46:42] [[Special:Export\]] to get the pages that you want then [[Special:Import\]] the file you just downloaded on your wiki [02:47:13] is it possible i can do it to every single template one a wiki at once? [02:47:37] also, kinda new to this so i have no clue where to put that [02:47:47] You can export multiple pages yet. You'll have to get the list of all templates from [[Special:AllPages]] [02:47:53] [02:48:34] again, i have no clue where to even put that [02:49:01] wait i found it [02:49:33] okay i have a lot of the pages here [02:49:51] how do i get all of this and copy it over? [02:50:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486557860266508358/image.png?ex=69c5f064&is=69c49ee4&hm=7de05268dd015f55da9d54aa023046b6cbfe58b7fde24e10ba4001ca9bbcfb3e& [02:50:24] Filter by namespace: Template [02:51:12] okay i have the template [02:51:43] or the template page more or less [02:51:58] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486558301276737566/image.png?ex=69c5f0cd&is=69c49f4d&hm=d049c0b64f5485cab4c8f4226d4b1070f28839e2594655ce06d3f8685d07b5d5& [02:52:03] pages, plural sorry [02:52:33] You copy paste the list to [[Special:Export\]] [02:53:01] okay, how do i copy the list if i dont have edit perms on this page [03:00:52] I mean you literally copy the list on that page. You don't go to each template. [04:10:06] [1/2] Hi everyone! I have a question about how I can get the image of the wiki to show up in the google search results (the logo), does anyone have any recommendations of what to look into, or is it something that fixes itself with time? The site favicon is already set in the settings. [04:10:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486577963443949725/image.png?ex=69c6031d&is=69c4b19d&hm=bdaeca1f127442ec0e0423780b3ab39c153fe3865d01acc132548d75eecd2f04& [04:22:11] Can I see your managewiki settings for that? [04:22:20] Cause I was able to set up mine earlier [04:22:55] Not sure about SEO results but it does show up on my wiki [04:23:01] [1/2] Is this it? [04:23:01] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486581214700900434/image.png?ex=69c60624&is=69c4b4a4&hm=77c24d0dee9bed647f092f03d9c9a1a7fa70d2550ed8f15f6f75cd994573d5af& [04:23:20] ohhh I found it [04:23:24] Yeah, just copy and paste the favicon to the icon [04:23:33] Thank you! [04:23:41] Nws [04:23:57] Might take a bit to update [04:25:12] I do wonder if it is intentionally slow like that or it's usually just that slow [04:26:06] I always thought Google was slow at updating logos [04:26:23] I've only fiddled around with the logos like once in the past, and they were kind of a pain [04:27:02] [1/3] Oh, I see [04:27:02] [2/3] This is the first time I am managing a wiki so [04:27:03] [3/3] (Technically I have 2, but the other wiki is inactive because we're waiting for game devs to do their j*b) [04:28:08] Did it update for you now? [04:28:10] Same here, the only experience I've had before now was just editing pages for a game that I really like [04:28:17] It usually doesn't take forever [04:28:25] [1/2] hmmmmm, nope [04:28:25] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486582572065619978/image.png?ex=69c60768&is=69c4b5e8&hm=a8539afcf075b018f131164e97fbb04eb0e96aa89cb80a43255b2975bce42ecf& [04:28:51] Well..last time I've seen updating skins on WikiOasis can take up to like 2 hours after removing the skin settings [04:29:13] I'm sure Miraheze takes much less to update things [04:29:41] This is on Google's end as well though, so it's probably going to take half a day [04:30:11] [1/2] oh no I have 2 logos now 😭 [04:30:11] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486583019098865816/image.png?ex=69c607d3&is=69c4b653&hm=e0da46cdea80f6ae3888bb81e577b66c42d99796ef699eb90a6398cd0d892215& [04:30:12] (Actually 3, I have 1 wiki on 2 farms for redundancy, planning to make 1 read only incase of vandals) [04:30:29] That shouldn't happen? [04:30:41] I mean the last time I use the same link for all 3 of them it worked fine [04:30:59] Weird, I guess I'll experiment with this and see what works [05:49:04] [1/2] is it possible to give an element a background like this? Or I can only use another overlapping element [05:49:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486602872228544632/image.png?ex=69c61a50&is=69c4c8d0&hm=fdbf8dae7884dccdeaa6ce65054cb0f7962c5973922a013ae8e91345a43253b7& [05:52:23] You need the full URL, not "File:Skibidi-Miku.jpg" [05:53:50] [1/2] I don't think it's working [05:53:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486604069517922310/image.png?ex=69c61b6d&is=69c4c9ed&hm=2817dec7aa4c214f6e784f8616b8d89660d9096b55dbcc1b5253f98081698ee9& [05:54:18] I found a support post on this issue saying that inline css can't do this, can't tell if it's been changed though [05:55:12] Sorry, I meant to say that you needed the static URL of the image itself [05:55:38] oh [05:55:55] Open the image on a new tab and copy the URL [05:57:56] [1/2] still doesn't seem to work, is there anything I did wrong [05:57:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486605100834230384/image.png?ex=69c61c63&is=69c4cae3&hm=fad1851de0332eb205ece9c696a02a8fb74824beecff9f9bd2facf6f642d220c& [06:10:43] [1/2] I think the default MediaWiki sanitizer strips urls from the style attribute. [06:10:44] [2/2] TemplateStyles should work though. [06:13:58] I see, thanks for helping [06:25:03] what would be the proper route to inquire about increasing `$wgMaxArticleSize` on my wiki to 4096? [06:43:34] You could make a request on [[SR/RC]], though approval requires a valid reason to need it. [06:43:35] [06:43:39] Hey, how do i export all the photos and import all the photos from another miraheze wiki? [06:58:48] [1/2] Ehhh yknow what, here's my issue. Localization file patch diffs. Some are huge. I've seen one take up 11 chunked subpages (each chunk subpage at a limit 500k). 4 subpages transcluded onto a main diff page is the limit with 2048k as the max article size. I just did the math in my head and realized even with 4096 I'd only be covered for up to 8 subpages. I'm going to [06:58:48] [2/2] do the easier thing and modify my diff bot to change how the diff contents are displayed so that its a list of subpage links to view all the chunks instead of straining the server by trying to push up to 11 subpages onto one page like some sort of degen [07:25:16] If it's from one Miraheze wiki to another, you can use shared file repos [07:25:35] [1/2] can... someone help me figure out why this [isn't working]() ;w; it's all in a container together so there shouldn't be any kind of gap.. [(template page has how its supposed to look)]() [07:25:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486627161443008595/image.png?ex=69c630ef&is=69c4df6f&hm=f16bd267d0f3c8df5c3ba379299a78728ca0ed95f801f6988ac873f97db54abf& [07:25:50] Why are we hosting file diffs on a wiki [07:26:09] whats a share file repo [07:26:11] Official TF2 Wiki does it [07:26:43] Their diffs are devoid of early builds from before 2013 though [07:26:48] You can make one wiki share the files of another [07:27:01] So you don't have to upload twice [07:27:07] great... how? [07:27:23] Open a #support thread please [07:28:00] doesn't mean it's a good idea [07:28:01] That doesn't mean I'm questioning whether endless subpages are a good idea [07:28:05] https://tf2cutcontent.miraheze.org/wiki/Diff:441/26 that's all it is, nothing fancy [07:28:08] And whether there's a better way [07:28:27] just shove them into a gh repo [07:28:30] You have a problem with your css too [07:28:40] How so? [07:29:03] it stretches over the toolbar [07:29:18] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486628096307368007/IMG_1553.png?ex=69c631ce&is=69c4e04e&hm=c4c6c17520ce856ddcbfb19fa4513d2c7ed652c18d943376b174fbb4cfe7edf8& [07:29:34] that's just a mobile thing [07:29:54] Snap, I did not account for that with the diff css [07:30:00] Wait how do i get a background like yours? [07:30:10] do you have any experience with css? [07:30:14] That randomizes images? [07:30:20] no unfortunately [07:30:27] nah i just want one image and thats it [07:30:54] this is like my first introduction to coding soooo [07:30:59] i thinkkk [07:31:01] [[help:css]] [07:31:02] [07:31:13] -# css isn't particularly code [07:31:33] i mean .. it kiiind of is? maybe? [07:32:37] There's [[dev:Template:Backgroudn]] which allows you to cheat and use a pre-built background. [07:32:38] [07:32:47] It should be fixable. It's a bug. [07:33:03] just requires a max-width and text wrap, no? [07:33:09] content shouldn't escape the main area for it [07:33:48] [1/2] Basically the reason for the diffs is because I'm also doing patch note pages for the game. My wiki covers cut content in Team Fortress 2 but I'm also doing proper full patch documentation which helps pin down dates of addition of certain unused files that got added to the game over the years. [07:33:48] [2/2] If this is an issue of server storage or something, or my diff pages somehow negatively affecting other wikis performance, I'll go rent a VPS and self host a MW install and export my stuff [07:35:23] does it have to me a sv?g file [07:35:32] mira do not have that significant problems with server usage anymore [07:36:17] No. Please read the documentation first. The second example is a png file. [07:37:05] No, it's not an issue. I'm just wondering as to what the best way to do it is. It's our role to ask questions and see if anything can be suggested. [07:37:26] There are always things with servers to do [07:37:32] Ohh my bad, I took this whole thing the wrong way [07:37:55] Intonation and context can be near impossible to get through text alone [07:38:19] tone indicators do exist [07:38:23] ppl just dont use them [07:38:25] 🤷 [07:38:28] interrobang [07:38:36] is this news to you? [07:38:43] maybe [07:38:48] https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/14qc0cs/a_cool_guide_to_tone_indicators/ [07:39:01] oh that stuff [07:39:03] ya [07:39:47] Jesus and here I thought people only used /s for sarcastic and that doing that was some sort of internet fad like uwu or Q_( o. O Q) [07:39:50] I don't think we have anything directly available that could make your life easier tbh. Getting diffs is easy but not pretty formatting and embedding them without a service. [07:40:07] So I'd probably say thats the best way to do it for now [07:40:24] I'm doing this all at the moment with a custom Python script too. It's been a real fun learning experience [07:40:35] nope its an accesibility thing that was normalized by the autistic community but has expanded past it . because knowing tone in text is hard for everyone but neurodivergant people have a hard time even inferring meaning [07:40:52] Ye I wish one day we could have an isolated tools thing like Wikimedia and then you could make your own fancy thing [07:41:07] Python is very cool for scripting with [07:41:37] Well that explains so much, I guess I am technically neurodivergent (though I feel like us divergies are actually the normal folk). ADHD and I'm honestly starting to question if I may be like, the tiniest bit autistic [07:41:40] the most commonly used ones are /j, /hj, /s or /sar, /srs, /gen, /nm, and /lh in my personal opinion . the rest are more nuanced beyond that. sometimes ill just do the whole word like /silly or /threat because its finnier [07:42:13] adhd and autism are very very commonly comorbid. i think they have a comorbidity rate above 60%? i dont. remember the exact number but still [07:42:27] You're in a wiki discord so probably [07:42:32] LMFAO. this [07:42:38] Co-morbidity of neurodivergent conditions is very common [07:42:42] yep! [07:43:16] Diagnosed 1990 [07:43:18] okay so, im trying to follow the extension and documentation but i seem to be having problems, should i open another support ticket for this or use my like 5 minute old one [07:43:21] Autism and ADHD are also comorbid with, but not limited to: MCAS, EDS, fibromyalgia, dysautonomia (including POTS), IBS, GERD, other learning disabilities [07:43:28] dude. be patient. oh my god [07:43:40] sorry [07:44:10] Try https://rdos.net/eng/Aspie-quiz.php, it's basically the gold standard of online quizzes for this kind of thing because it's backed by actual academics. Look at the downloadable pdf after as that gives a lot more detail and covers a few conditions. [07:44:32] And we're probably off on a tangent from wikis so the rest of the discussion to #offtopic please [07:44:33] the RAADS-R is also a good place to start. not a diagnostic at all but it can help point in the right direction too for autism [07:44:37] oops! sorry [07:44:59] if we wanna get back to the topic of wikis can someone help me fix my fucking template i broke it again 😭 [07:45:02] whoops thought I was in off topic 🏃‍♂️‍➡️ [07:45:10] true but iirc it's not dying yet [07:45:16] plus isn't cloud21 completely empty [07:45:44] also I never understand how you can get dimms that add up to 135GB unless it's some weird GiB to GB maths [07:46:02] It is not dying, no [07:46:59] wd greens moment [07:48:19] im soooo?? . god. why are templates so annoying [07:49:48] [1/2] htmlcss how i hate you [07:49:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486633256102137866/image.png?ex=69c6369c&is=69c4e51c&hm=bd8e00cb5971a4e322eccca17680b7447b2dca02b48ae53e0d11a7f1c6df0a66& [07:50:49] no idea why this infobox is being such a dick [07:52:30] im so???? [07:53:17] every day i crash out over this wiki and every day i insist i do this for fun [07:55:33] Welcome to software [07:55:40] You'll get used to that feeling [07:55:53] ugh im already used to it i've had this fucking thing since 2024 😭 [07:56:17] like COME ON IT SHOULD NOT BE IMPOSSIBLE TO IGNORE THE FUCKING FLOATING DIV BUT NO. NO. YOU HAVE TO HAVE FUCKING 18 LINES OF WHITESPACE FOR NO GODDAMN REASON [07:56:25] anyways. im totally normal and composed 😇 [07:57:25] the problem will fix itself when more content is added its just [07:57:32] i dont.. have the content to add. [07:57:47] I'm a professional developer and I can be like a kid at Christmas when things deploy and actually work in experiments for the first time [07:57:55] HELP I KNOW THE FEELING [07:58:34] its why i gave up on using citizen. it was too hard for me to figure out the classes as someone that was doing actual css for like.. the first time [07:58:41] when i started this wiki i only knew how to do inline css [07:58:57] and now look i have a wiki thats (mostly) viewable on mobile [07:59:12] i think [07:59:16] i havent checked actuallly [07:59:31] so its been months oops [08:00:26] hmm. im kind of regretting making the main container so wide. having a navbox on the side instead of the bottom of the wiki would be really cool but probably really crowded.. [08:02:19] hm. might be best :wensive: cuz now i have nowhere for my toc [08:03:22] [1/2] is there any easy way to get these all into dropdowns on top of the main page content ... without switching skins... LOL [08:03:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486636667128512565/image.png?ex=69c639c9&is=69c4e849&hm=4a73cabb7b9362df8a60ac60d6a0ea430f511725c6b16b7e0465fcf294b53294& [08:03:32] if not its nbd im just so. indecisive [08:03:45] I have no idea why you're pinging the backend server guy [08:03:52] That's a css problem [08:03:54] yeah idk man [08:04:05] im. probably gonna head to bed actually its late 😭 [08:04:06] Mediawiki would be a command line terminal display if I developed the front end [08:04:16] i fuck with that [08:04:38] sounds like it'd be easier ngl [08:04:57] It would in some respects [08:05:11] probably less accesible for people newer to wikis though i'd assume [08:05:39] I just push to prod, run and then fix it with about 20 "fix" commits [08:06:14] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486637388343017522/image.png?ex=69c63a75&is=69c4e8f5&hm=64b108f9263457eb52438048844034238b0876f137cb187072309487cbbadebf& [08:40:18] https://warmachinemunitionsdump.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [08:40:20] I DID IT [08:40:26] AND IT DOESNT LOOK LIKE ASS [10:41:33] CA coded [11:20:35] [1/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486686297702535299/image.png?ex=69c66802&is=69c51682&hm=17910b393bd553fac3b2f45b8fccc615cb85a6632ded04c999a0af182c410fc7& [11:20:35] [2/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486686298457505812/image.png?ex=69c66802&is=69c51682&hm=477737c43c719dc307f34561b8cd0e2a2593c66db8e27c082f80c04f975c3566& [11:20:36] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486686299128729680/image.png?ex=69c66803&is=69c51683&hm=6f7b5f0c8c7f277b2e8725b33f5bd29993e916e1b1f5a4e750b7baf9dfda8927& [11:20:36] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486686300277833878/image.png?ex=69c66803&is=69c51683&hm=8c21bc5e1694958bd492c7d4065714a268ce98ec3ae931a16794ed71bf673021& [11:27:57] @Discord Moderators [11:28:07] Scambot again. [11:28:45] Banned. Seems to have been a compromised account. [13:22:43] that sounds cool tbh [13:24:25] I cast `
/div` [13:25:06] What is this and what does it do [13:25:14] clear:, I mean [13:25:15] put it above the container div [13:25:22] Ahhh i see [13:25:30] I'll give it a shot when I get up [13:25:51] [1/2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/Reference/Properties/clear [13:25:52] [2/2] I don't actually know but it is the go-to thing to fix any issues with floating elements [13:26:28] [1/2] wait actually might be a bad idea [13:26:28] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486717979231125544/image.png?ex=69c68584&is=69c53404&hm=e7e03ac8f05c86b5490a3e9d25d90a0aa82d06d6995614c752f011c6823c704a& [13:28:29] eh I can't figure out how to fix that issue so it's probably fine [13:33:03] [1/3] looks like the issue is bootstrap containers which I'm not gonna bother messing with but if you remove that and instead make the container a `display: flex; flex-direction: column;` you can get something like this [13:33:04] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486719635725357167/image.png?ex=69c6870f&is=69c5358f&hm=b0b31cfc8ef02b621ea3b63ffc1f8c12d3485359a9f4b816f4d797a40c256927& [13:33:04] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486719636367081685/image.png?ex=69c6870f&is=69c5358f&hm=b5afa8a5f4031bffbca504218c7c98a19839868c42d8e35000b03f9d0536e87a& [13:35:09] The first image or second? [13:35:31] And yeah bootstrap is because I have a hard time with viewpoints manually. I do it with bootstrap so I can do it immediately and then forget [13:35:39] I might have a fix, if that's the case.. hm [13:46:10] both are the same thing, doing it with flexbox means that you avoid the issue from https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1486627161988403210 and the issue from https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1486717979541508126 [13:46:55] AHHH i see. Thank you very much friend !! [14:49:54] To me it would be [15:01:16] A small group of people are still very fond of the text-based interface idea and built things like [the Gemini protocol](https://geminiprotocol.net/). [15:02:10] that's cool [15:18:38] It's more my design skills are awful so I keep my UIs simple [16:21:44] Hello y'all [16:26:20] [1/2] I feel like my appearance description is just HORRIBLE [16:26:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486763241987375164/image.png?ex=69c6afab&is=69c55e2b&hm=a9e01f49125c73bf6a6a8c969abfdf996bc8ebe85799d4cd81b33a862ec50aa0& [16:54:01] @pixldev on your [tech contributing guide](https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:PixDeVl/TC_101) some phorge links dont work [16:57:17] i wanted to fix it [16:59:15] but it didnt let me [16:59:29] [1/3] all links that are ``[[phorge:source/mediawiki-configuration/browse/master/...]]`` [16:59:30] [2/3] should be [16:59:30] [3/3] ``[[phorge:source/mediawiki-configuration/browse/main/...]]`` [17:19:46] So I just had to ban a user that was clearly some sort of wikipedia bot that immediatelly went about adding stuff like {{citation needed}} and correcting useless grammar to every page and generally adding templates straight from wikipedia and such [17:19:52] very annoying [17:19:56] [17:20:00] does anyone know what's up with that? [17:20:59] do you have a link? [17:21:41] [[CVT]] and [[Steward requests]] could hellp [17:21:44] *help [17:48:19] is there a magic word that prints the display title? [17:50:49] nope [18:15:48] Baaaaah, what issue did it throw? [18:27:16] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/1408381 [19:14:29] [1/2] I ended up just blocking it [19:14:29] [2/2] https://wakefieldinstitute.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Bearcatt [19:15:00] The username immediately threw me off lol [19:15:42] I'm mostly just interested if anyone knows why someone would do this [19:17:01] ok [20:18:09] Hey so uh [20:22:49] https://craftwarsredux.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Weapon#tabber-First_Tab_Title hello guys I am using the TabberNeue extension and I was wondering if I was possibly doing somethign wrong here. I cannot see the content inside the second or third, only the first. [20:24:06] [1/2] works for me [20:24:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486823077739237506/image.png?ex=69c6e765&is=69c595e5&hm=594c549bbe85b4cdcdcb3437ba43f6138a68ba852ce2dc709f7f82e4759729db& [20:24:37] huh thats odd it does not show for me but thx [20:41:01] [1/3] hey so uh [20:41:01] [2/3] what do i title for genderfluid characters? i wanna make a category for genderfluid characters [20:41:02] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486827336258289906/image.png?ex=69c6eb5c&is=69c599dc&hm=3fa598184448aea5174ceae67198bec4a29b3f4498691a94e87c79cff8e934da& [20:41:56] [1/2] Works on mobile too [20:41:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486827564889669883/image0.jpg?ex=69c6eb93&is=69c59a13&hm=410995a2de59f77f634f665fc0b16235c039c5b625ac9a78962ceb708cb79f75& [20:42:34] Putting pronouns where wikipedia puts orders and titles is always fun [20:42:45] thx for showing it on mobile too cuz that reminded me i gotta change the width lol [20:43:31] Is that good? ^^;; /genq [20:50:55] I mean it's a style choice [20:51:56] [1/2] So like using this visual style but instead of "MP" you have their pronouns in like idk "he/them" [20:51:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486830084030599289/image0.jpg?ex=69c6edec&is=69c59c6c&hm=3845c8811bf33314cececeb4e7b3836a9429f269751b6cf1ac05baada5bfa487& [20:56:43] [1/2] Example from our wiki [20:56:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486831288538366134/image0.jpg?ex=69c6ef0b&is=69c59d8b&hm=d1de511edfcc6b92e1a106951cb3f3f70db8ec755dd390086fc2c61111f326de& [21:36:55] ohhh [22:17:25] wait. oh my god this is so smart [22:18:09] https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-fumo-fumo-gif-27532420 [22:18:28] i assume you just add a data source below the title in the infobox ye? [22:20:30] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486852371383324823/Screenshot_20260326_171940.jpg?ex=69c702ad&is=69c5b12d&hm=125fa31e714e3407b4c7ba752159e1ac8fedc8429d51db1e15ab6f7e05bb1888& [22:32:20] Yeah, abuse filter WWR found, :p [22:32:25] Sorry about that [22:35:01] In this case it's literally just the imported wikipedia template for a personal infobox with the honorific-suffix parameter used by convention to display pronouns [22:35:22] oohh [22:35:25] But yeah you could totally go into the local template and rename it to pronouns [22:35:33] or make an infobox from scratch [22:35:45] i already have the infobox i'd likely just edit it [22:36:29] You could even edit it so it uses smallcaps by default or whatever [22:37:05] oh shit you're so right [22:38:12] but yeah our community took the decision to just full send and import any templates we would need directly from wikipedia and take on problems with dependencies as we get to them and honestly it's been going pretty great for like 2 years now [22:38:26] thats honestly so smart . whats your wiki for? [22:38:37] Forced me to learn how to actually build infoboxes from scratch [22:38:38] Forced me to learn how to actually build infoboxes from scratch [22:38:53] https://wakefieldinstitute.org/wiki/Main_Page [22:39:20] oooohh [22:39:28] for a game or is it yalls own thing? [22:39:29] bolsheviks??? in my soviet union???????? [22:42:01] It's more likely than you think [22:42:43] It's a reference to an ancient twitter meme marxists used to make fun of anarchists. The fact it's still on the main page is a bit of an artefact from the games second iteration which ended in a communist planetary revolution that was then brutally put down [22:43:38] It's an electoral simulation game based in a discord server [22:43:53] ooh! [22:43:56] oh thats fun [22:43:58] -# Ideologies make my head hurt so I know nothing about these terms. [22:44:05] Also kind of grew into a worldbuilding project [22:44:23] But I do like a political parody here and now. [22:44:43] i need to research politics more because politics is preeetty relevant for my stuff [22:44:44] insert non-existant Ho4 flashbacks [22:45:51] Yeah it's not even real politics it's niche political brainrot shitflinging it's honestly much funnier when presented without context like we do it trvst [22:46:49] [1/2] Political commentary? Ah no-no... [22:46:50] [2/2] Political satire? Ah yes-yes. [22:51:27] [1/2] but yeagh, to circle back to my previous point, we wanted/needed a lot of different templates for election results, polling, etc, etc, and we wanted them to look like wikipedia because this whole thing is kind of supposed to be a parody of wikipedia 200 years into the future which is how we landed on the decision to just import and jury rig together a bunch of Wikipedia template [22:51:27] [2/2] s [22:52:38] this i gotta see [22:53:01] cause i still remember what wikipedia was like when i was in my first year of high school in 2001 [22:53:03] One of the funnier modifications we made is to one of the time modules where the acceptable date range was modified to "today + 10000 days" so we would stop getting errors for putting in birth years in the future and such [22:53:18] LMFAO [22:54:23] waw... Do you remember camelback links?? [22:54:31] Or whatever they were called [22:55:10] camel case links, yes [22:55:18] why they did that i will never know [22:55:34] There's probably an elegant solution that could be coded to set the wikis unix time to September 2254 but that's sadly above my capabilities lol [22:55:47] Such an insane decision [22:55:55] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:CamelCase_and_Wikipedia [22:56:14] imagine splitting link text :steveo_kek2: [22:56:31] I have only read about it but it sounds like it would make text completely unreadable [22:56:40] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486861475632124054/Wikipedia_CamelCase_Navigation_Bar.png?ex=69c70b28&is=69c5b9a8&hm=843b9d1c20165f7033332079a0e09fb7b718b10de99560c7f20de379e8ad6a1d& [22:57:02] humble beginnings,,, [22:57:06] You can EditThisPageRightNow! [22:57:18] le gasp!! [22:57:54] i wasnt even born in 2001.. [22:58:25] i would've been 14 when Wikipedia came out and teachers always told us not to trust it because anyone can edit it 😲 [22:58:38] oh they still say that [22:58:44] then again they also told us to learn math manually because we'd never carry a calculator around with us [22:59:08] it was before the advent of smartphones, you see [22:59:22] sorry i'm Grandpa Simpsoning now [23:00:34] [1/2] @sloveneanon i wonder if this might work for you? [23:00:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1486862454406512661/image.png?ex=69c70c11&is=69c5ba91&hm=9333968cdc2c2dc39ebb71fd80ffe11e94a6dab9f6b8b9ee31a8e61a9acdcadd& [23:00:44] tbf Wikipedia is generally kinda bad for any research beyond high school level I think. A lot os simply missing, unhelpful, or plain wrong. But it's an excellent tool to get basic info and further sources and such [23:00:45] im not exactly sure but [23:01:01] Yeah when i did research in HS i used wikipedia to find my sources [23:01:04] Hmm [23:01:08] I'll look into it [23:01:33] Yeah don't get me wrong, it's generally fine [23:01:40] https://doc.wikimedia.org/mediawiki-core/REL1_41/js/#!/api/Date or perhaps ... [23:03:10] So it's been a while since I've looked into this and if i recall correctly, which it's very possible i don't btw, i do believe a lot of this is only possible when self hosting? Like I'm not sure how you'd do it with a miraheze wiki. [23:03:17] ahhh [23:03:17] But again not sure [23:03:19] hm. [23:03:39] I have this somewhere near the bottom of my wiki to do list [23:03:49] i wonder if it's a stewards or phorge thing [23:03:50] For a rainy day [23:03:57] Might be [23:04:01] yeah but i figured a lil bit of help never hurts yk :D [23:05:22] Yeah thanks actually, i really enjoy when actual convo develops in this channel rather than it just being where i droo by to complain the servers are down again or whatever lol [23:11:00] if it's not possible on ManageWiki you can request it on [[phorge]]. whether that'll be accepted or declined idk [23:11:06] [23:12:17] From the description of that config variable I can't tell if that's what you actually want to do though [23:12:53] Thanks! [23:13:36] and yeah i imagine this would also make edit timestamps show up like they're from the future and such right [23:13:56] It would look very cool but i suspect it would break an enormous amount of things [23:31:46] You'd be surprised by how many academics use Wikipedia lol. For more obscure topics in Math without survey papers Wikipedia is the best "survey paper" available. [23:33:43] There was an interview of Terrence Tao where he said he frequently looks things up on Wikipedia for fields of math he's not familiar with. [23:33:54] huh [23:33:57] That's neat [23:35:19] I was mostly thinking of obscurer historical topics where it's often a recap of a summary of a summary from a book from 1982 [23:35:47] I 'member a time where the was a sole person who fact checked Wikipedia 30,000 articles. Maybe I'm overestimating the amount but I wonder what happened to him? [23:35:50] not even saying it's like malicious or anything just outdated and inaccurate [23:36:09] I almost don't believe that [23:37:48] I'm gonna guess that some disciplines are worse than others. Theoretical Computer Science and Mathematics are fortunate enough to have people like [David Eppstein](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:David_Eppstein) who has been doing this for close to 20 years. [23:37:48] But yeah like for example with Cold War Polish politics, medieval German law and interwar Yugoslav politics specially i found that corresponding Wikipedia articles greatly simplify and overlook a lot [23:38:49] I meant more in the sense that 30k is a huge number for a single person, that's like a second job almost [23:39:46] That's 8 articles a day for ten years [23:40:57] [1/2] So it's not 30K fact checks but rather 3 million edits on 35K articles, supposedly [23:40:57] [2/2] The size of the edits vary of course but it adds up quickly [23:41:31] Oh right so edits, not fact checking every article [23:41:35] Yeah alright sure [23:42:16] linking his own wikipedia page on his user page, what a flex [23:42:54] like that one guy that's made it his life to remove the phrase comprised of from wikipedia that raked uo 47k edits just doing that [23:43:17] [1/2] He was so notable for that amount of edits that he's been on the news. [23:43:17] [2/2] He must've had a lot of time on his hands [23:43:36] or like that time on chinese wikipedia where someone was bored and made hundreds of articles about things that never happened and only got found out when someone actually wanted more information on those specific topics [23:44:03] Yes it's more likely than you'd think [23:44:32] this is a classic [23:45:31] Personally the thing i hate the most is when like a long time editor basically privatises an entire topic and decides that their idiosyncracies will and must define how wikipedia handles the topic and damn anyone else who might want to add in a different perspective [23:45:55] Classic example is that guy that prevented the Chopin article from having an infobox for like 10 years [23:45:59] I wonder if there's been really obscure wiki articles that barely has any text. [23:46:21] but that's how open source projects are bound to work [23:47:30] Not anymore modern Wikipedia generally tends to remove, merge or expand stubs before adding new ones [23:48:15] Unless you count things like articles for obscure small geographical units that barely have a bot generated infobox with their location, there's a million of those