[00:41:00] Where can I go to unprivitize my wiki? I changed my mind because sharing is too tedious [00:41:13] Special:ManageWiki/core on your wiki [00:41:18] thanks [00:41:23] Just uncheck private and hit save, job done. [00:41:48] sweeet [01:25:46] [1/4] https://reconvergentfates.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:WikiRedirect [01:25:46] [2/4] i made this template for, not as a direct redirect, but to state the more original info is found in the original wiki that my wiki is basing its info from. There seems to be an issue because, {{PAGENAME}} should automatically slot in the full page name, but in the screenshot, it only displays anything past the first word and instead redirects to the page of the first word. [01:25:46] [3/4] I'm assuming this is because the space makes it so that it assumes anything past the first word becomes the displayed title, and it should be an underscore otherwise. Can I change this somehow though? [01:25:47] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491247649813430382/image.png?ex=69d70019&is=69d5ae99&hm=119c02c88afb42f9cab39fb115531bde56515633e6a61d95aa4fa3551c24ab4d& [01:29:58] you need to replace whitespaces with underscores or use interwiki links [01:30:14] that gets interpreted as `[https://typemoon.fandom.com/wiki/Noble Phantasm]` [01:37:28] yeah im aware of that [01:37:42] is there a way to make it not do that or will i need to set up that interwiki thing [01:38:02] like not consider the whitespaces strictly for that redirect [01:38:19] its ok if I end up needing to make a different version of PAGENAME template as long as I can figure out how to do that [01:38:41] cause i would imagine getting rid of the problem inherently with the PAGENAME template would probably cause some major visual issues down the lione [03:10:56] What is interwiki prefixes? When I look at the [[Help:Interwiki linking]] page theres nothing t here [03:10:56] [03:10:58] https://login.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:InterwikiTable [03:11:27] thank you for forwarding me to a link that does not yet exist [03:11:56] those are the things that link websites to miraheze [03:12:10] usually another wiki [03:12:18] no but the prefixes [03:12:24] what is that [03:12:42] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Interwiki [03:12:57] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Interwiki [03:13:08] ohhh i see it now [03:13:09] thanks [03:13:10] that helps a ton [03:13:12] wrong link [03:13:22] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Interwiki [03:21:32] okay i think i got it [03:22:02] yeah [03:22:04] i think i got it [03:22:05] hrmm [03:22:21] now i just need to remember how to install this [03:26:19] okay so where can i go to learn about loading modules via a lua module [03:26:23] lets see if the bot tells me that [03:26:43] [[Help:Lua]] [03:26:44] [03:26:53] okay that does something [03:27:35] okay i think i can see how this is meant to work [04:29:59] [1/2] `{{PAGENAMEE}}` [04:29:59] [2/2] [[mw:Help:Magic words#URL encoded page names]] [04:30:00] [04:52:05] OH [04:52:07] very nice thank you [05:04:36] [1/5] trying to learn to use the interwiki stuff, [05:04:37] [2/5] https://reconvergentfates.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:InterwikiTable [05:04:37] [3/5] https://reconvergentfates.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Sandbox [05:04:37] [4/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491302723583344670/image.png?ex=69d73364&is=69d5e1e4&hm=ae473a8d7fe254a2a35678021dac674756e2391b31344809ca13d9a95375ded8& [05:04:38] [5/5] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491302723994517634/image.png?ex=69d73364&is=69d5e1e4&hm=5369b151e56995e1c0e48687d44dfbe956a1c545b3397859c8c13c6ca5eec442& [05:04:41] not entirely sure im doing this properly [05:06:41] expected table, meaning i gave it a true or false value instead? [05:06:49] hmmmm... [05:07:30] i suppose i need to add a bit more then hmm [05:08:20] nope not that [05:11:24] okay i think i fixed the issue but now ive got a different one [05:12:45] okay i think i fixed the issue but now ive got a different one [05:13:09] Module returned a nil value. It is supposed to return an export table. [05:13:13] hmm [05:15:45] ive read and actually tried this time round but this one has me stumped [05:21:07] okay i think im managing this somehow [05:38:22] Okay I found out how to use it. I guess I must have missed this but the wiki internally already carries its own InterwikiTable. I just needed to add my prefix and link to that table and it should already function properly on it's own. No need to add any additional items. [05:43:23] Is there any possibility tgat MH cooperates with WMF? [06:31:19] In what way [07:13:28] How do I get the verified user role [07:16:00] run /auth in any channel [07:53:46] <_arawynn, replying to osoken2438> in #verify [09:06:28] is there a way to make an interactive map on miraheze? [09:41:33] Ykw yeah that’s on me [11:06:00] [1/8] Hi, everyone! [11:06:01] [2/8] Can u pls help me, i have an issue with cargo extension, i'm using the template file with cargo_store declarations to populate a table, but it looks like i can only populate 7 rows per file, no matter how many cargo_store declarations i have in a template file [11:06:01] [3/8] After adding 7 rows to the cargo table it seems to get stuck for eternity, it says: [11:06:01] [4/8] Note: One or more of these tables are currently being populated, via the job queue. [11:06:01] [5/8] But it's been quite a bit of time (30 minutes) for a query of 40 cargo_store declarations [11:06:02] [6/8] I believe, it is stuck [11:06:02] [7/8] WHat can i do? [11:06:02] [8/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491393673542500423/image.png?ex=69d78818&is=69d63698&hm=0274268efc48182135fa1e849f9490faff2b673deb55419dfea2d65768a357f0& [11:06:16] i would be grateful for any suggestions on this 😃 [11:10:15] I have tried ?action=purge and “Null Edit” tricks, as well as recreating the table, but it consistently stops after the 7th item. [11:14:11] or it might also be errors in my formatting, and some specials symbols or something i will check it more carefully [11:50:32] if you're linking to a fandom wiki you can just use `[[wikia:typemoon:Noble Phantasm]]`, that works globally [11:51:16] [1/2] Any idea if its possible to force upload a file name with / in it, moving didn't work this time ') [11:51:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491405063380275302/image.png?ex=69d792b4&is=69d64134&hm=fdf76d3d57f5daaae9e4169bd0acdc00b4973fa74dfd4d4237b8943a222b89d8& [11:51:35] [1/2] as it seems that if it was to be uploaded it would work [11:51:35] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491405140861915227/image.png?ex=69d792c6&is=69d64146&hm=e3ec8f57bdceb312ec5d2460b5f6cd6d1524bb10b44a056f3056a741df1e5d28& [11:55:28] [1/2] could you link the wiki? #verify to send links. [11:55:29] [2/2] As an alternative you might want to try out Bucket (see [[Help:Structured data]]) which seems to have fewer issues like this [11:55:29] [11:56:40] https://afnm.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page this one [11:58:09] i don't know the reason, after several attempts it is at 10 rows now [11:59:12] I'll try running a maintenance script on it [12:00:11] there might be a mess of stale jobs there, i'm not sure as i cant see the logs, you can just delete all of them if there are any [12:01:13] i'm mostly interested in what went wrong, i've been eyeballing the file for good 30 minutes and can't see any issues with formatting or special characters at least [12:03:35] nope the replacement table only has 7 [12:04:19] as an alternative it looks like this page is trying to do the same thing as https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/Otherworld_Colosseum/rules so I think Bucket would work [12:04:58] https://afnm.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Populate_Materials_Part1?action=pagevalues is this meant to be blank [12:06:45] i wanted to use this as a page to populate cargo table Materials, it contains a bunch of cargo_store declarations, is it not a correct approach to do it? [12:07:30] looks like it's the correct approach, seems to work for [12:07:34] just cargo is cringe [12:08:19] I know I sound like a broken record but have you considered our lord and saviour Bucket [12:08:56] 😭 [12:09:26] [1/2] "hi guys i have a cargo problem" [12:09:26] [2/2] "use bucket" [12:09:47] yeah, thats why i got puzzled 😅 [12:10:16] i mean, if cargo realy does not work well on miraheze, or just is a buggy mess, than Bucket it is 🤠 [12:10:35] [1/4] I mean: [12:10:35] [2/4] - cargo declare is its own page [12:10:35] [3/4] - storing stuff on one page [12:10:35] [4/4] Looks like one of the main use cases [12:11:09] i just want to make a working wiki i don't care if it is bucket or cargo, if it works- it works [12:11:10] I don't actually know any more about cargo than trying to run one maintenance script [12:13:24] thanks, for your help 🤗 [12:13:37] and i know even less 😂 [12:18:04] [1/9] so, my idea was as follows: [12:18:04] [2/9] 1. Create several pages with Cargo Tables declarations [12:18:04] [3/9] 2. Create a bunch of Template pages containing just cargo_store declarations. About 10 pages containing 1000 declarations in total [12:18:05] [4/9] 3. Use the populated tables with data on other wiki pages [12:18:05] [5/9] I tried this approach with cauldron page and it successfully populated 25 items with cargo_store [12:18:05] [6/9] The prepared a separate page for materials (it contained 130 declarations). Just an empty technical page with cargo_store declarations [12:18:06] [7/9] The issues is, it fails to populate the table (seemingly randomly). So sometimes it populates 7 items, sometimes 9 or 10. [12:18:06] [8/9] I don't see any issues with formatting, i tried to make a smaller file with 45 declarations [12:18:06] [9/9] It does not work and I do not know why 😅 [12:18:07] I remember some conversation once about having to store data through a template rather than with a `cargo_store` but I can't remember exactly where. https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T9552 seems to say something about maximum cargo stores on one page [12:18:53] ill try for a bit more, and if i don't succeed, i'll check out Bucket [12:19:07] thanks for your help and info ❤️ [12:20:26] [1/17] I mean with [[mh\:bucket\:Module:BucketPut]] you'd have ```diff [12:20:26] [2/17] - {{#cargo_store: [12:20:26] [3/17] - _table = Materials [12:20:27] [4/17] + {{#invoke:Bucket|put [12:20:27] [5/17] + |materials [12:20:27] [6/17] |Name=Lesser Flash Bloom [12:20:28] [7/17] |Category=Material [12:20:28] [8/17] |Rarity=Mundane [12:20:28] [9/17] |RarityColor=#5c945d [12:20:29] [10/17] |Realm=Meridian Opening [12:20:29] [11/17] |Description=A flower laden with heavy pollen. The slightest spark can ignite the white substance, flaring it to an incandescent brightness. [12:20:30] [12/17] |Source=Various [12:20:30] [13/17] |ValueTier=0 [12:20:31] [14/17] |UsedIn= [12:20:31] [15/17] |ItemImage=Lesser_Flash_Bloom.png [12:20:32] [16/17] }} [12:20:32] [17/17] ``` [12:20:33] [12:20:45] does [[mh🪣Module:BucketPut]] make the link work [12:20:46] [12:20:53] sigh [12:21:10] https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:BucketPut [12:25:09] i'll try to set it up right now [12:25:11] [[mh\🪣Module:BucketPut]] [12:25:11] [12:25:16] damn [12:25:19] discord is evil [12:29:46] [1/2] "hi guys I have a windows problem" [12:29:46] [2/2] "use linux" [12:30:00] 😭 [12:30:22] Lowkey hope bucket can actually display images from portableinfoboxes which have a gallery in them [12:30:28] Instead of breaking and having a seizure [12:32:35] bucket doesn't display anything [12:32:41] John bucket typing [12:32:45] it would be portableinfobox which is displaying stuff [12:32:47] Gonna explode [12:33:33] whatever issue you have I don't think it's unique to Bucket and I don't think it's unrecoverable [12:33:49] My bumass problem will never be fixed 💔 [12:33:53] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1465572781784563773 ahhh [12:34:14] (prolly can be fixed with lua but lua is hell) [12:34:33] I use lua so sparingly [12:34:36] I don't get what you're trying to do though [12:34:47] Jabdjabdjsbsnsns let me word this [12:35:46] [1/4] I got a portableinfobox [12:35:46] [2/4] it has a gallery in it [12:35:46] [3/4] I can use cargo to basically append the image from the infobox to a wikitable [12:35:47] [4/4] problem is it doesn't work if the infobox has a gallery, which obviously will have more than one image in it [12:35:57] [1/2] Just have a template like ``` [12:35:57] [2/2] {{#invoke:BucketPut|...|image={{{1}}}}}{{#tag:gallery|{{{1}}}|{{{2}}}|{{{3}}}|...}}``` if you don't wanna use Lua [12:36:22] Do you wanna take a look at the infobox which currently uses cargo [12:36:31] yeah [12:36:40] Peak gimme a sec [12:37:40] [[mh:itemasylum:Template:Item_Infobox]] [12:37:41] [12:37:55] [[mh:itemasylum:Template:Item_Wikitable]] and the funny Wikitable [12:37:56] [12:38:50] Was gonna use this for another template [12:39:28] [1/2] But that template is being used in pages which always has a gallery in it [12:39:29] [2/2] (For context the infobox is used for area information, "area" as in maps and lobbies) [12:42:18] [1/2] yeah so the only way you're going to be able to do anything about the galleries is to not use the `` tag. essentially what happens is the gallery tag does its own thing and then to all the templates that contain that tag it says "don't do anything with me I've already done my bit". So what Cargo sees is something like \`'"UNIQ-gallery-aldfdk\`"' rather than what's insi [12:42:19] [2/2] de the gallery tag [12:42:45] AHHHHHHBH 💥💥💥💥💥 [12:42:47] Okay [12:43:11] Now i wonder how I'll convince my staff team to let me murder every gallery present in an infobox [12:43:18] (if I'll even do it lmao) [12:43:32] as for replacements for that system not exactly sure [12:43:51] `{{#tag:gallery` I think will have the same problem [12:43:58] Most niche situation ever 💔 [12:44:21] Never heard of this [12:45:15] otherwise you could make an `{{InfoboxGallery}}` template that makes it look the same as the gallery tag did but under the hood does some black magic that makes it usable with your infobox [12:46:01] I remember Cook gave a talk at MUDCon which mentioned a `$` template that converts the arguments to JSON [12:46:03] I would do it but, the question on everyone's mind is "is this really worth it?" [12:46:20] Black magic people save me [12:47:14] the template probably wouldn't be that difficult to implement, the issue would be updating pages to use the template [12:47:58] Sigh yeah [12:48:18] No clue as to where I would even begin with this [12:48:20] Lmao [12:48:49] I could probably make the template as long as you remind me [12:48:53] Lua is weirdddd javascript is insanity everything else is Awesome [12:49:09] Before I actually fully commit to this [12:49:18] I would first tell my staff team [12:49:25] If we come to an agreement then yeah we can do it [12:49:33] Altho testing!!! Must test!! [12:50:58] [1/12] so what I'm thinking of is instead of ``` [12:50:58] [2/12] |infobox-main-image = [12:50:58] [3/12] image1|caption1 [12:50:59] [4/12] image2 [12:50:59] [5/12] image3|caption3 [12:50:59] [6/12] /gallery``` [12:51:00] [7/12] You have ``` [12:51:00] [8/12] |infobox-main-image = {{InfoboxGallery [12:51:00] [9/12] |image1|caption1 [12:51:01] [10/12] |image2| [12:51:01] [11/12] |image3|caption3 [12:51:02] [12/12] }}``` [12:51:34] We nesting templates 🗣️ [12:53:10] Mmm anyways I'll uh keep you posted yeah [12:58:13] it's how we do https://battlecats.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Magnification [12:58:57] Oh that's cool [12:59:09] Dope [12:59:50] I mean even in my wiki we put a template inside of the infobox [12:59:55] But that template is used so rarely lmao [13:00:07] Used for items which are ranged (basically guns) [13:04:05] [1/2] Wait @thewwrnerdguy if you were to do this [13:04:05] [2/2] what would happen to the gallery tabs in the infobox [13:04:46] they should be fine [13:05:05] Ah [13:05:48] [1/2] "hi guys i have a browser privacy concern" [13:05:48] [2/2] "make your own browser" [13:05:57] ⭐ [14:24:40] Financial and technical [15:33:36] [1/3] Is it possible to make wiki's search not case sensitive :lifeless: [15:33:36] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491461015555150025/image.png?ex=69d7c6d0&is=69d67550&hm=f8ef823e4d486f45a76721ea350f0a71b5b189c60f7163fb32ef701cf30dd17c& [15:33:37] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491461016234754158/image.png?ex=69d7c6d0&is=69d67550&hm=bc84c2858040c755f2546942866e1b27d09dcf6b9b37ca97ebceb0bd73da1f4c& [15:34:00] cirrus search [15:34:16] extension [15:34:53] [[SR/RC]] [15:34:54] [15:35:35] You know MediaWiki's native search is doomed if there's an extension specifically to make it better [15:36:11] cirrus is heavy on performance iirc [15:36:12] don't ask wikipedia what they use for search [15:36:25] how heavy [15:36:33] more search gets fucked if we let people toggle it at will [15:36:43] Probably Windows 11 heavy [15:36:45] performance is not an issue [15:36:48] ah [15:36:56] wdym [15:37:31] Lol. Quite hilarious how they use that extension instead of improving the MediaWiki native search feature [15:38:31] enabling very often fails and disabling can leave you searchless cause mediawiki magic [15:39:11] MediaWiki does not like you using extensions that make their own features much better. [15:39:49] that's too much of a reach to make [15:40:57] guess I should check more when enabling it to see if it does in fact break [15:41:01] search being one of the essential parts of the wiki yet not being properly implemented :pupCoffeeMH: [15:41:04] o rly [15:41:20] we r abt to enable cirrussearch on a self hosted wiki, is this something i should warn them ab [15:41:32] more "why reinvent the wheel" [15:41:45] wheel 1 so good they released wheel 2 [15:41:55] nah enable failures are an easy fix, you just need a tech to run two commands [15:43:26] which is something stewards can't do and why i put the RfF out [15:43:54] as far as I'm concerned tech gets a blank check from me to just go ahead and handle it [15:44:02] the only steward discretionary option there is dormancy [15:44:13] One day the search will become much better [15:45:15] CirrusSearch will be migrated into OpenSearch? [15:45:31] im sure they said this 15 years ago [15:45:46] we also excluded wgImplicitGroups because that veers too much into the subjective "yap why you need this" territory [15:45:51] the only argument I remember there even being back in the day was people who wanted to split on-wiki tech business from behind the scenes tech business which always struck me as arbitrary [15:46:10] Probably lol. [15:46:19] sounds basically along the lines of an expensive parser functions argument [15:46:52] at least for parser functions it falls under tech purview to see why the fuck is someone using more than 99 [15:46:56] which was not really a conversation I liked because only a tech-steward could even credibly have it [15:47:24] I do wonder what argument there'd even be to expand implicit groups at all [15:47:40] Does Weird Gloop use an extension for their search? Cause Vector 2010 doesn't load PageImages but it looks like they did some black magic to do that [15:48:16] mostly additional autogroups, like extendedconfirmed, which is very rarely needed by anyone [15:49:04] i feel it falls more under steward jurisdiction to judge if a community actually needs that to be changed [15:49:39] whereas cirrussearch should effectively be considered unrestricted, just needs someone to watch for explosions, and therefore can be handled by tech [15:51:20] [1/2] Like, how? [15:51:20] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491465476944040017/Screenshot_20260408-125048.png?ex=69d7caf7&is=69d67977&hm=e1144979288126e3fa2a3a32e33410afaa3ce074158ea6638a28bd3e1d234598& [15:51:52] https://minecraft.wiki/w/Special:Version [15:51:53] weird gloop have super powers [15:52:03] i will let you guess what they used [15:52:20] (its not default search) [15:53:22] Ah [15:53:26] Elastic Search [15:53:59] Can we ena,ble it [15:54:09] elastic search is cirrus search [15:54:09] more or less [15:54:22] WG uses a fork of Vector 2010 [15:54:26] If any admins are seeing this I require the maintenance/initImageData.php to be activated on the neo blood debt wiki [15:54:31] If any admins are seeing this I require the maintenance/initImageData.php to be activated on the neo blood debt wiki [15:54:43] VesnaTheRussianW: Please file a task on [[Phorge]] [15:54:44] [15:54:47] They do? [15:55:04] [15:55:16] ? [15:55:29] So that's why `?useskin=vector-2022` doesn't work there [15:55:35] [15:55:45] C can we use their foooork :stare: [15:55:51] No [15:56:01] huh [15:56:06] We already have Vector installed, you can't run two Vectors at once lol [15:56:30] wait so nobody is gonna run maintenance/initImageData.php [15:56:44] VesnaTheRussianW: Please file a task on https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/ [15:57:49] I was trying to avoid that because I low-key cant log on it  despite using my actual log in info [15:58:06] [1/2] @raidarr anyway the RfF has been up for almost 3 days with 12 supports and no opposes and even has another steward supporting it [15:58:06] [2/2] imo you could call SNOW on it [15:58:06] never log in manually on phorge [15:58:11] login with mediawiki is the way to go [15:58:44] been wanting manual login shoved obscurely in a corner with a do not use note and login with mediawiki being a big prominent button for years [15:59:13] was thinking about that earlier actually, kinda wondered if it was too soon but as an rff on relatively trivial subject matter with such overwhelming support it should not be a problem [16:00:02] if anybody gives you shit for allowing tech to assist in matters dictated by tech then I have several questions for them [16:02:50] closed and good to go [16:03:01] cheers <3 [16:03:03] Replace Vector with Vector [16:03:09] @thewwrnerdguy my minion, it is time [16:03:45] they should call it vector2023 then smh [16:03:45] @pskyechology it passed 23 seconds ago!!! [16:04:10] am well aware [16:05:56] BetterVector [16:06:12] hehe time to procrastinate doing things [16:06:18] muhehehe [16:06:26] Executed [16:09:36] Does anyone know why some pages render the footer icons correctly, with the background and stuff, while others don't? [16:09:37] Isn’t that just the default setting [16:10:00] stewards mastered the art before generation alpha was born [16:10:06] give or take a couple years [16:10:21] Haha, thats a good one- [16:10:25] Wait….. [16:10:32] :bombasticsideeye: [16:10:38] we feeling old yet [16:10:57] Well I mean I feel [16:11:00] Kinda old [16:11:05] It’s been like 15 months [16:11:22] But only been hanging around meta and stuff since new years so [16:14:00] that's really the question for ogs like paladox, nd, reception, rhinos [16:14:11] granted only the middle two as stewards in particular [16:14:35] I wonder what ever happened to John and South Park fan [16:14:38] ex: https://stopitslender.miraheze.org/wiki/Slenderman vs https://stopitslender.miraheze.org/wiki/Slenderman?action=edit [16:14:54] spf fell off by 2021 and was basically gone before I got involved [16:15:21] john was the prequel to my on and off habit and was on and off to 2023 when he had a blowout and that was the last time [16:15:43] Woah, Miraheze lore [16:15:53] 2023 was a hellova year [16:16:10] trying to remember which noticeboard really popped off that has a lot of the context at the time [16:16:18] Only reason I mention this is because looking thru old meta pages is literally my doomscrolling :stare: [16:16:19] Anyone? [16:16:29] this was when there was a channel in here that was basically current and some ex volunteers [16:16:47] Personally, I do that but to talk pages instead, because of the mischevious flash bangd [16:16:48] cabal-archive my beloved [16:16:53] no idea, would probably recommend a support thread unless skye has a bullet for an answer [16:17:25] We have to kill Wikimedia Foundation and take over the building [16:17:27] need to remember to archive another year off my talk page [16:17:58] 99% sure its the skin being stupid with the CSS for it qualifying for a pension [16:18:05] there is lots [16:18:13] old SR, requests for stewardship, old community portal, some old meta archive stuff, all mines of interesting content [16:18:53] I think it's Wikimedia Foundation for doing that [16:19:23] you can see some generational switches like the times of john, rise of doug, void's appearance after which he'd become the stable fallback of miraheze basically forever, tech has a whole history in and of itself but I'm not terribly savvy with that [16:19:34] It only happens when there's something native MediaWiki there (like the preferences) [16:19:46] I'm exploring wiki farms as I'm not very happy with Fandom anymore [16:19:52] welcome [16:20:09] I ended up forcing global monobook and safe mode and am using browser overrides for theming to mixed effectiveness [16:20:13] Welcome to the Meehize [16:20:43] Yeah it's something that Wikimedia did [16:20:57] Probably because of Vector 2022 and they're 👽 [16:21:07] Let's avoid Miraheze. I don't like that they lock your wiki if you go 2 months without an update. It’s too much pressure to keep editing just to keep the site alive. [16:21:19] wrong read of the matter [16:21:34] ... What? [16:21:36] service banned user [16:21:43] Oh lmao [16:21:44] bye bye [16:21:48] yeah that would check out [16:22:16] I have kinda thought of spewing an essay about dormancy policy though [16:22:22] Cause [Special:Preferences](https://stopitslender.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Preferences) does that [16:22:40] And likely because the skin doesn't fully use Codex, outside icons [16:24:05] you win yet another award for using a skin older than all italian brainrot wiki users [16:24:09] haha I do that [16:24:16] just on my (Miraheze) account [16:24:45] No I... don't think it's THAT old [16:24:48] it makes life a lot more consistent when looking for specific buttons [16:25:10] practically anything that's not vector2022 and citizen are like that unfortunately [16:25:18] The three Heze Eras [16:25:30] And Lakeus I believe [16:25:34] burnout simulator 😍 [16:25:53] well lets see, there's been quite a few checkpoints of where miraheze has majorly changed in community facing ways [16:25:58] We have to take over the Wikimedia Foundation for doing such a crime after Vector 2022 [16:26:18] reception wikis were probably one considering they totally took over the meta community at one point and that's how I got involved in all that [16:26:50] otherwise generally I think it was pre-doug, doug, post doug, 2023, era of notaracham [16:26:57] yeah those are only older than 90% of IBW users [16:27:20] pff' [16:27:39] tbf with the amount of active users that's probably still more reasonable people than most wikis on the entire farm [16:28:19] excuse my cynicism for thinking ai slop enjoyers dont rank highly in my personal reasonable-ness tier list [16:29:02] all the IBWians that have found their way here have been weird [16:29:39] its a trend with the eccentric young leaning communities that have found their way here [16:29:47] reception wikis then polandball then italian brainrot [16:30:12] hold on i feel the urge to "who is this guy" gif react you [16:30:20] eh why not [16:31:05] funny thing is a steward became a prominent figure in all three cases [16:31:38] much as NA would be mortified to fit into the IB slot for that [16:31:43] can't wait for the tales of NA the mass murderer [16:32:18] na the baba yaga [16:32:52] i'm in the 10% [16:32:52] pix can only truly become a steward when he has to deal with the next internet trend that becomes a high moderation thing [16:35:31] This is making me realize that Monobook or even Monaco is probably older than a lot of people on this platform [16:35:57] Is portalinfobox really good?I found it doesn't comply with syntaxhighlight of wikitext, especially complex parser usage. [16:36:11] It’s fine [16:36:22] I’ve been using it for a while [16:37:02] Druid is probably better in the long run because it’s more future proof (I think) though [16:37:28] Wiki.gg should make that an extension [16:38:49] it's a module, you can just use it [16:38:57] Honestly the main appeal for portable intoboz for me is just the fact that it is really really easy to set up [16:39:00] literally nothing stopping you [16:39:33] Yeah Druid is under a free license [16:57:18] cc by-sa 4.0* [16:57:24] just to make it clear [16:57:26] but yes [16:59:59] Hi everyone [17:00:07] Hi [17:00:28] [1/2] Anyone here knows how to put in flags in infoboxes like this example shown? [17:00:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491482878285185065/image.png?ex=69d7db2c&is=69d689ac&hm=30c415398927257f6b345319237be72ab4d0961e65e17a950487205cf7414f7c& [17:00:36] Hello! [17:00:47] [1/2] Ask the cat [17:00:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491482954306813962/IMG_0744.jpg?ex=69d7db3e&is=69d689be&hm=5f8d758a4973dfe0fd65d39925563bd643b341c0039ac72eaa89e1b4533c34e8& [17:00:54] mira heez [17:01:04] What's the cat's name [17:01:09] Ah! What a distinguished gentleman! [17:01:09] Heez not a happy camper [17:01:11] Superb! [17:01:17] How am I gonna ask it if I don't know it's name? [17:01:17] She’s called Millie [17:01:19] Or missy [17:01:29] for the record, there is a new wiki for gta at https://gta.wiki [17:01:40] Oh! What a lovely lady! [17:01:51] [1/2] Hi Millie [17:01:51] [2/2] Do you know how to put flags in infoboxes? [17:02:06] Woah... [17:02:10] Thanks! [17:02:10] Did you try look at the source [17:02:35] You can do something like `[[Flag:US flag.png|16px|link=]] American` in the infobox value [17:02:43] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491483441450188990/IMG_0745.jpg?ex=69d7dbb2&is=69d68a32&hm=4a248715f314f324a1aa3b3f64af8a0d0e576a921a39a2da74e58c58033439d5& [17:02:59] wow a cat [17:03:05] [1/2] Looked in the source, and all I get is this [17:03:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491483534752350349/image.png?ex=69d7dbc9&is=69d68a49&hm=fa8e677da43d65ecc590f6c78fb4db49399d12b64b73a474a996680ecec22825& [17:03:33] Is this magnificent specimen plotting to start world domination? [17:03:59] check the /infobox subpage [17:04:15] i.e. check the page "Michael De Santa/infobox" [17:04:29] https://gta.wiki/w/Michael_De_Santa/infobox [17:04:35] Yes. [17:04:51] WOHOOO [17:07:05] [1/2] This one is Bobby. Hes friendly [17:07:05] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491484540152315957/IMG_0746.jpg?ex=69d7dcb8&is=69d68b38&hm=5d6a8e83f4ada25ecd929d8fe15f5368b00e05f0ab7ba5a9b472618eada4d76e& [17:09:22] [1/2] Dug in and all I found is this: [17:09:22] [2/2] https://gta.wiki/w/Template:Country [17:10:38] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491485437351559268/image.png?ex=69d7dd8e&is=69d68c0e&hm=88d5f75b0dc49d2024f08f84309168347055db1dd652ab83b269fb05261b7238& [17:10:59] It's possible that this is how they make it in the infobox [17:14:17] Awesome [17:16:18] Threw me for a loop because Millie is also my name and I didn’t see the cat [17:19:42] Lol [17:30:53] [1/8] @thewwrnerdguy can u please help the dumb person here 😅 [17:30:54] [2/8] we've decided to try out bucket instead of cargo. [17:30:54] [3/8] So we enabled Bucket extension on our wiki, and also the page Special:Bucket has appeared [17:30:54] [4/8] But when i try to populate it with a syntax like on the second screenshot, it says [17:30:54] [5/8] Script error: No such module "Bucket". [17:30:55] [6/8] what are we doing wrong? 🥲 [17:30:55] [7/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491490530851557456/image.png?ex=69d7e24d&is=69d690cd&hm=9ba7ce35cca500de06fc0b4c1843733dd57d4345d8eea99053635f188b19ad2c& [17:30:55] [8/8] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491490531736424478/image.png?ex=69d7e24d&is=69d690cd&hm=10a8e9406e0c65ba01dcff8e44fbd4ffed3c3ca59cdbd72d6ced2d1c87251cc1& [18:04:14] It means exactly what it says. Module:Bucket is a wrapper module that invokes Bucketput and Bucketget. It'll work if you change it to `{{#invoke:Bucketput|put|...}}` [18:05:05] Or you can import the wrapper module here: https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Bucket [18:18:48] [1/2] im sorry, i dont quite understand. so module bucket is not the same as extension bucket? [18:18:49] [2/2] how do i import a module to the wiki? [18:19:45] i think we have extension Bucket and not modules BucketPut, BucketGet or Bucket 😅 [18:20:01] Ah ic, yes you need to import those first [18:20:11] i think the page is Special:Import [18:20:47] ah, we have the page Special:Import, i see [18:22:00] so, modules are different from extensions, i did not know...at least, i'm learning something new [19:03:24] bucketbucket [19:51:41] hello crystalite [20:00:31] hey [20:00:37] oh no I'm ten minutes late [20:06:14] why do I feel like theres a lot of Steward requests lately [20:06:50] because there is [20:08:39] like more than usual [20:09:59] how have ya been [20:10:05] sorry for my late ahh reply [20:10:05] bored [20:10:15] same 🥲 [20:10:27] recent changes is boring on meta after i've patrolled everything [20:10:33] anyways, you should like... totally check out the dreamalong wiki... if you wanna [20:10:42] the most exciting thing is like marking unsigned or fixing SR [20:10:46] dream along??? [20:10:49] lemme see [20:10:52] mhm [20:11:00] link? [20:11:09] https://dawm.miraheze.org [20:11:39] oh yeah this one [20:11:45] I THOUGHT it sounded familiar [20:12:18] oh look, petra's official MIraheze account is registered... [20:21:02] oh that logo icon looks sick asf [21:23:55] [1/9] SO, I dont know why bucket does not work, please help me 🥲 [21:23:55] [2/9] I've created 3 pages on the wiki: Module:Bucket, Module:BucketPut, Module:BucketGet [21:23:55] [3/9] and copied code from this wiki https://fischipedia.org/wiki/Module:BucketPut [21:23:56] [4/9] i created a bucket (screen 1) all fields are text to avoid type mismatch for now [21:23:56] [5/9] i try to populate it with queries screen 2, it seems to execute, at least, no error is shown for me [21:23:56] is it alright to mark an SR request cannot be undertaken if its cases like https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Restricted_changes#I_want_to_add_some_introductory_info_on_the_page [21:23:56] [6/9] But the result is always data 0 out of 0 🥲 [21:23:57] [7/9] Saving an item directly with bucket api works [21:23:57] [8/9] I dont know how to troubleshoot it, i have 0 logs, so i am not sure what is wrong [21:23:57] [9/9] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491549174888398951/image.png?ex=69d818ea&is=69d6c76a&hm=6b6dad29bfd3759d162e394aa2c657af8ee4fd493168dbc3fdc62a424093f942& [21:24:53] [1/10] SO, I dont know why bucket does not work, please help me 🥲 [21:24:54] [2/10] I've created 3 pages on the wiki: Module:Bucket, Module:BucketPut, Module:BucketGet [21:24:54] [3/10] and copied code from this wiki https://fischipedia.org/wiki/Module:BucketPut [21:24:54] [4/10] i created a bucket (screen 1) all fields are text to avoid type mismatch for now [21:24:54] [5/10] i try to populate it with queries screen 2, it seems to execute, at least, no error is shown for me [21:24:55] [6/10] But the result is always data 0 out of 0 🥲 [21:24:55] [7/10] Saving an item directly with bucket api works [21:24:55] [8/10] I dont know how to troubleshoot it, i have 0 logs, so i am not sure what is wrong [21:24:56] [9/10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491549419244359871/image.png?ex=69d81925&is=69d6c7a5&hm=fa463b7cc7985f3c709238fe63b58c9b113668474d442f5e545e776ada9bb946& [21:24:56] [10/10] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491549419735220234/image.png?ex=69d81925&is=69d6c7a5&hm=b9addae96e0266be7e71e0fb28829b22cfc09e79c5fd9344ab0fb6ce4c1e3ea2& [21:25:13] uh [21:25:27] head to the support channel [21:25:34] and make a post there [21:33:15] ah, i finally got it! 🍻 [21:38:11] hi friends, if i delete a file from the wiki, there is no way for a non-sysop to access it, right? [21:38:23] nope [21:38:27] thank you! [21:39:31] Do you mean from the direct image link or to find it on wiki? [21:39:57] mostly the latter, but does the direct image link stay up :? [21:40:45] Uh, not sure, let me check [21:41:05] welp, file uploads are broken on beta [21:41:14] give me another sec [21:41:23] oh LOL [21:41:39] beta loves to die [21:41:43] RIP [21:41:52] mirabeta ????-2026 [21:41:58] it goes in the deleted container which is not publicly accessible [21:41:59] ill look at that later [21:42:12] hi sky [21:42:15] thank you skye [21:42:35] wonderful, thank you pixl and skye [21:42:52] and to the other one, no the file is not accessible except to those with the correct permissions, which is be default sysops [21:43:01] and global staff [21:43:09] thats totally fine [21:43:23] i am removing an asset made by someone with serious allegations against them, and i dont want the files findable by any normal users [21:43:24] and crats i would think [21:43:53] Deletion seems totally suffienct in that case yeah [21:45:27] uhhh pix btw [21:45:34] when u were wiki mechanic [21:45:50] uuuuuuuuu [21:45:51] you mostly did SR/R right [21:45:52] a bit [21:45:56] I asked [21:45:57] oh [21:46:16] yeah thats the main/only reason i sought an appointment [21:46:28] i see [21:46:36] the timeline looks so funny [21:46:41] it's just labster now [21:47:20] mm [21:47:39] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Requests_for_global_permissions#c-PixDeVl-20250806042200-Questions_for_candidate_3 [21:48:18] oh and the assistant steward page timeline is funnier [21:48:22] literally just one line [21:48:28] :PixDeVl: [21:48:32] i wonder when we'll see our next one........ [21:49:54] last wiki reviewer before arawynn was aeywoo [21:49:59] similar sounding names, funny [21:50:18] and then "subwayfares" but i don't think they're super active [21:52:26] She's not a regular but she pops in every once in a while [21:52:51] aeywoo or subwayfares? [21:53:25] Subwayfares [21:53:31] i see [21:53:46] other than PB no one has request global perms in quite a bit [21:54:58] Cheese doodle mac and cheese [21:56:24] ....i dont get it [21:58:01] Yeah, well, not surprising but [22:18:18] hello hello! Not miraheze specific but I figure y'all might know how to fix this? [22:18:50] I'm on a wiki using the visual editor to insert citations, but it seems to add a tag around citations automatically [22:19:08] Is there any way to disable this? Our templates include the refs themselves [22:21:25] You should use the "add template" instead of citation in that case [22:21:44] Though I'm not sure if it's a good idea to have the template include the ref tags for this specific reason [23:12:11] I apologise, I'm not sure what you mean [23:13:13] [1/2] just in case i misspoke this is the menu I'm talking about [23:13:13] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491576681557917727/image.png?ex=69d83289&is=69d6e109&hm=e22888f7873c185417f688e2dd027d1c846d77f2b91ffdadcc33cb1965b5c517& [23:14:04] Yeah, that menu will always insert a ref together with the template [23:14:25] If you only want to add the template, there should be a menu under Insert > Template [23:14:30] ahh [23:14:33] 😔 [23:15:06] I think it would be much better if your template didn't include the ref so that you can use that feature of VisualEditor properly [23:15:15] the main point of putting the refs inside the template was to prevent the source from being an unreadable mess but since a lot of our editors use visualeditor it seems like that's not an option [23:15:25] Which is an extremely obscure feature how did you even find it [23:15:48] Or I guess whoever set up that obscure MW page with citation templates [23:15:49] what is an obscure feature, custom cite templates? I thought that was fairly well known [23:15:54] that was me yeah [23:15:57] @crystalite13 hehe getting some good experience there [23:16:22] I discovered its existence like last year and other than Wikipedia never saw any wiki configure it [23:16:25] well the custom cite templates came first and then it was pointed out that visual editor users wouldn't be able to access them so I found that [23:16:27] huh [23:16:45] It's a good feature but yeah you gotta have the refs outside the template for it to work [23:17:54] i'm going to see if I can find wherever the module is developed and see if it's possible to add a toggle [23:17:57] ty very much 🙏 [23:18:16] I feel like as a wikitext editor I would find the refs inside the template a bit counterintuitive [23:18:50] And you'd have to imitate standard features like name and group as template parameters anyways [23:19:06] I definitely agree that there would be a slight learning curve but since we tend to have a lot of citations per paragraph every bit of space saved is worth a lot of readability [23:19:17] Oh good catch I forgot about group [23:19:25] I don't know if we use that much but that definitely should be added. we've got name tho already [23:19:49] There's a couple more ref attributes that I forgot about because I never use them [23:19:59] But yeah [23:29:29] but waiting for something to happen is booooring [23:37:27] well, submitted a feature req, let's see how it goes 🫡 [23:43:54] do you guys like sidebars being on the left (skins like Vector 2010, MonoBook), or those with a right sidebar (skins like Fandomdesktop and Cosmos)? [23:56:52] Freibd wants their wiki set to be an archive as they are no longer eorking their project so the wiki will be no longer edited [23:56:59] Which setting is that