[00:11:14] [1/2] Not sure if this is intended, or smth that can/should be fixed, but got curious and was testing the console tab across various pages on our wiki and noticed that these error always showed up. ig smth is being called/implemented twice? [00:11:15] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1491953672064598116/image.png?ex=69d991a2&is=69d84022&hm=d57f693e35ae2535c8be94ba06fe42c3f1118a47a398f024ce99466c913b7d68& [00:20:31] [1/2] Since I was the one who wrote it: The scripts from my fork of MirahezeDevScripts import a bunch of shared modules (like PowertoolsPlacement and FandoomUtilsI18nLoader). When multiple scripts are loaded at the same time the browser doesn't wait for the shared module to be loaded for the first script, so it ended up being a race condition between the multiple scripts [00:20:31] [2/2] . [00:20:42] Unfortunately I'm not quite sure how to fix it. [00:25:41] Alr its fine, just wanted to be sure it was nothing on our end. It doesn't affect anything really anway [00:29:04] 🤔 hmm... on second thought, I've been doing a simple `mw.loader.load` to load the shared modules, but maybe what I should have been doing is set a variable in the global window to flag the modules that are being loaded. [00:30:24] Downside of this is that the variable doesn't get cleared from the global window, since `mw.loader.load` doesn't keep track while it's asynchronously loading each script. [00:56:02] Probably a good use case for `mw.loader.using` in there somewhere. i.e. start with `mw.loader.load` and then wrap each script with `mw.loader.using` for each of its required modules. [01:36:47] `using` only works with ResourceLoader modules last time I checked :/ idk, maybe i just rework the entire thing in `$.getScript` [02:05:36] Do what every dev does: ask chatgpt :steveo_kek2: [02:06:35] google has gemini built directly into the devtools now [02:06:51] good thing I use firefox [02:22:05] Why you gotta ruin my day like that [02:23:17] Microslop Edge does too I believe [03:41:06] anyone wanna help figure out why this didn't work [03:42:54] Is this some Extension:Translate thing, when I just pass the module invoke as a regular parameter value it works [04:28:48] Maybe use `mw.logObject` on the module to see how the module is invoked? [04:37:51] This seems really hard to test since both the extension page and the module need to be changed at the same time to see if the module is able to fetch data correctly. [04:43:19] But {{#invoke:extension|getVirtualDomains}} alreadybworks [04:43:38] On the extension page, when invoked manually [04:45:32] Unless the module for some reason wouldn't be able to fetch the data from the template, but would from the ext page? But it's using the current title in getExtData() so that shouldn't be the case [04:53:56] Maybe run `{{#invoke:extension|getVirtualDomains}}` in `Template:Extension` unconditionally? I tried to do that myself, but TemplateSandbox is not cooperating. If I nuke the entirety of Template:Extension, add `{{#invoke:extension|getVirtualDomains}}`, and then preview Extension:CentralAuth, the extension page stays the same. [04:56:04] Bizarre [04:57:40] Is this something that Extension:Translate is known to do or could something else be the source of non-updating templates [05:02:39] [1/3] Maybe it's a recent update to TemplateSandbox? I see that it has a fancy feature of graying pages that do not use the current template. WMF might be introducing too many changes at once and one of them breaks the preview. [05:02:39] [2/3] Other templates have the same issue. [05:02:39] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1492027005510615110/image.png?ex=69d9d5ee&is=69d8846e&hm=706e0539901990d938146e3ee629143c3f051f7e4c554fbbc1fb2c5ea6c582d9& [05:03:56] Template:Inline-code is unaffected, so I think your hypothesis is right. It has something to do with language tags. [05:06:03] I will wait for Shirayuki to mark the revisions for translation and if it works after that... [05:07:00] Mostly because I'm on mobile and don't have anything proper to debug with lol [05:08:06] [1/3] Seems extremely inconvenient though. [05:08:06] [2/3] Of course it's a 5-year-old task on WMF Phab. [05:08:07] [3/3] https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T278644 [05:09:53] Not surprising at all 😭 [06:41:06] Last comment was two years ago XD [06:48:32] gloop gloop gloop [06:48:36] 5 years is nothing for a WMF task [07:26:41] Hello guys sorry to interrupt I have a question [07:27:14] Do you know anything about the users: NotAracham and Rodejong? [07:41:25] 99% sure NotAracham is staff here and idk about the other guy [07:42:30] I know they both are staff here that's why I'm asking about them, for a personal investigation [07:42:45] But thanks though, appreciate it [07:42:55] No problem [07:54:26] [1/2] Fairly significant correction: Rodejong resigned from all staff roles earlier this year and has since been removed from this server for conduct reasons (https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/786615849921675294/1469966992407662677). [07:54:27] [2/2] Also, minor nitpick: Miraheze doesn't have staff, all roles are performed by volunteers. [07:54:50] Woah that's relevant thanks [07:55:07] I don't have access to the conduct reasons, are they classified? [07:55:43] You need verify role for you to see [07:56:21] verify as in having Miraheze user account [07:56:45] ^ #verify [07:58:17] Thank you so much already done [08:21:59] [1/2] I've noticed cargo requests on https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Restricted_changes#The_Legend_of_Khiimori haven't been actioned, but the other requests since have. Is this the wrong spot for them? or is the person that actioned the newer request don't have the perms to do cargo requests? (not complaining about waiting, i know there are volunteers 🙂 just making sure I d [08:21:59] [2/2] id the right thing) [08:34:28] your request is fine and in the right place [08:34:37] thank you 🙂 [08:40:27] We are trying to nudge our users to use Bucket when possible due to some issues we've encountered with Cargo. @thewwrnerdguy might do a follow-up to confirm that you really need to use Cargo and can't replace your use case with Bucket. [08:41:17] ill try to find the info page about Bucket and have a look 🙂 [08:43:48] [[Help:Structured data]] is a good start besides the [official documentation](https://meta.weirdgloop.org/w/Extension:Bucket) and some [Lua modules to provide a Cargo-like query interface](https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Querying_data). [08:43:49]

[09:19:54] [1/2] Question: I was checking my CentralAuth page (because I was extremely bored), and I seem to be attached to every wiki I've viewed while logged in. I assume that's normal, but is there a way to stop it doing that? [09:19:54] [2/2] I don't need a local account on the vast majority of wikis I open, because I'm almost always opening them just to be nosy rather than to use the information. [09:20:28] no [09:20:44] unless you wanna logout beforehand or view in incognito [09:27:25] Fair. [09:27:36] It doesn't much matter either way, I was just curious. [09:29:47] don't look at NA's connected count [09:29:58] worst part is when a wiki leaves a greeting message on user pages just for logging in 🙃 [09:30:16] looking at you, papasoma [09:34:12] I mean, I'd expect it's absolutely through the roof for all of Stewards, Tech, and CVT. [09:35:28] logged out/incognito is the only deterrent [09:35:35] a firefox container may also be useful for this [09:37:31] I don't think I care enough to do that, to be honest. An untidy CA page isn't the worst thing in the world. [09:40:19] skye when she had to change ManageWiki settings for 70 or so wikis at once [09:41:49] I'm safe from that at least, because I don't have a talk page. [09:46:14] oh you innocent soul, completely unaware of HAW or whatever it was [09:46:44] Can confirm, I have no idea what that is. [10:00:54] You mean HAWelcome, the welcoming extension [10:02:49] Crazy how they didn't even change the name from when it was developed on Fandom [10:03:04] The hell does HA stand for anyways [10:04:38] highly automated [11:01:48] henson associates /j [11:37:15] [1/3] is there a way for me as a admin to change the default settings of the vector 2022 skin for my users? [11:37:16] [2/3] i've found a way to make vec22 the default but not change the defaults in this little panel [11:37:16] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1492126313392377986/image.png?ex=69da326b&is=69d8e0eb&hm=718936f317c1ccb419ce6cd451ab7da536db7399706850537071439e5f0fb6cd& [11:39:21] Hello [11:39:56] I have a question about community portal. what exactly is a community portal? [11:44:59] Community portal as in the Meta page? [11:46:15] well no i mean can any wiki have a community portal? [11:46:22] like the one on miraheze meta? [11:46:52] [1/3] what my goal is, is that the item page will fill with links of NPCs that sell that item. [11:46:52] [2/3] Eg: this trail feed is sold by the general merchant [11:46:53] [3/3] https://tlok.miraheze.org/wiki/Trail_Feed [11:48:21] Is the item page done? [11:48:30] Or like does it exist [11:48:39] that is the item page? [11:49:02] OH ok i get what u mean now [11:49:16] why is everything sent from miraheze relay [11:49:23] i thought this was irc [11:49:31] it is [11:49:52] <_arawynn> the Miraheze Relay connects irc with the Discord Server [11:50:06] oh wow thats really cool [11:50:12] what channel are you folks in on discord [11:50:18] general [11:50:24] miraheze discord general channel [11:50:29] its how i can [11:50:35] exist in both planes at the same time [11:50:42] so is it doable with bucket? [11:50:43] truly magical skye [11:51:01] wow thats great [11:51:12] i havent seen something like this b4 [11:51:46] but dont you people have rules that kind of forbid asking for support on the general channel or is it fine for irc? lmao [11:51:57] maybe that is other servers [11:52:27] the general channel is the support channel, especially for IRC users [11:52:30] I'd assume any wiki can have a community portal? I've not been able to find anything in the content policy that says otherwise, but someone with more experience might be able to correct me on that. [11:52:56] any wiki can have one, just most don't [11:53:10] i asked here because i dont feel like my issue request a dedicated forum channel and there is no non-forum style channel. [11:53:21] on discord we have a thread channel where its easier to manage more involved help requests [11:53:40] community portal is just a centralized place for discussing stuff [11:53:48] nobody's forbidden to have one lol [11:54:00] sakurababochka: i notice some cool features on the community portal that allow somebody to type in the title of the page, i would like to know how to enable that for a wiki i hope might get approved [11:54:06] yea [11:54:34] pskychology: thanks for clarification [11:54:45] psykechology: [11:54:48] you mean like adding a new topic? that's DiscussionTools [11:54:49] As in adding headers to sections? [11:55:07] you can also ping me on IRC lol it's fine [11:55:54] sakurababochka: the add topic button is very useful i think [11:56:24] yeah that's the DiscussionTools extension [11:56:25] adding headers to sections is a manageable mediawiki thing [11:56:29] I'm guessing that's what Skye said then. I'm not familiar with that sort of setup stuff. [11:56:34] well i will keep that in mind [11:56:54] skye: don't think i don't see you on the user list in hexchat [11:57:14] Skye: this ping [11:57:15] yea [11:57:18] exactly [11:57:19] yea [11:58:45] weird, guess I exist outside the plane of existing [11:58:51] but it worked fwiw [11:59:22] exist outside the plane of existing is oxymoronic [11:59:45] if there is such a plane, then you can't exist outside of it since all existence is in the domain of that plain [11:59:55] however, the plane itself is self contained [12:00:06] exists thanks to itself, within itself, self-justifying [12:00:21] Only on the assumption that the are no other planes of existing. [12:00:53] sakurababochka: the universal set is the plane of existing [12:01:11] the only other self justifying thing is the NIL, empty set [12:02:09] You could theoretically exist there provided that you also didn't exist. But that only really leaves Schrödinger's cat. [12:02:20] i feel like there's no reason to take something silly so seriously [12:02:35] its set theory so i had to say something [12:02:55] regardless thank you for your help Skye and sakurababochka [12:03:04] ofc ^^ [12:03:18] Likewise, not a problem. [12:14:26] [1/3] I have a general question about image copyrights. Should I be looking for images that exactly match the license of the wiki? (e.g. stick to CC BY-SA along with public domain and avoid NC ones.) [12:14:26] [2/3] Or, is it acceptable to use NC images as Miraheze is non commercial, as long as they are marked as such? [12:14:26] [3/3] I think this topic confuses me because when you use one copyrighted image it doesn't suddenly take on the wiki's license. But maybe those are just a special case. Thanks in advance! [12:18:56] Hello Miraheze Relay peeps [12:18:59] And others [12:19:02] I need help [12:21:09] [1/2] NVM, I got it... somewhat [12:21:09] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1492137360237002792/image.png?ex=69da3cb5&is=69d8eb35&hm=97e50ccf8496584a0e7752ad8bee8b91ad3b718f95a66cb0b8cbac8345477dee& [12:22:30] [1/2] Is this a CSS issue, or is it an issue with the wikitable itself? [12:22:30] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1492137698356629565/Screenshot_20260410_212148_Chrome.jpg?ex=69da3d05&is=69d8eb85&hm=31c6f912e2eb8f099b60d90d05b8d1739e71478a735620006b9d2359b751ce74& [12:22:41] Same on pc by the way [12:22:49] probably css, can you link the page? [12:23:30] https://savoiazei.miraheze.org/wiki/The_Four_Years_War [12:25:34] [1/2] your wiki's license doesn't have to match provided you can fulfill the conditions of the license [12:25:34] [2/2] for content with other types of the CC license you need to explicitly mark their license (so in your case as CC (version) BY-SA-NC) [12:26:59] and you very much fulfill the NC portion since neither you or we are making any money off the wiki [12:32:31] [1/2] So far so good... :P [12:32:32] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1492140220806860933/image.png?ex=69da3f5f&is=69d8eddf&hm=18b780d66e367b259236a453ad8c72863ac724cc10d8079ae318f10534f2c46d& [12:32:40] Skye!!! What do you think so far [12:32:58] (NOTE: the Toybox Funhouse thing is just filler text, and yes, I took it from the TBFH wiki [12:33:14] i wouldn't use wikitable for infoboxes ever [12:33:38] hello unai!! [12:33:41] that said, the wikitable class is overriding the margin and width of the table so you'll have to force it with !important in the inline CSS [12:33:43] Hi [12:33:48] How ya been [12:34:09] Just got out of work 🥱 [12:34:48] [1/2] forcing it fixes it, more or less [12:34:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1492140794755420262/image.png?ex=69da3fe8&is=69d8ee68&hm=ddd51d2c7d266ba80ef6414d97d6e43c669318dfa265870c4fb216aada28385e& [12:41:00] 🤔 [12:43:02] greetings [12:43:05] :3 [12:43:12] This looks nice [12:43:21] Thx [12:43:40] It's an interesting design but I wouldn't advise on justifying text because it causes issues [12:43:48] Lol [12:43:51] Okay [12:43:56] Old timey newspaper vibes [12:43:59] Dope [12:44:12] 🥹 [12:46:45] thank you!!! :) [12:51:31] [1/2] im trying to follow this: https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Formatting_output [12:51:31] [2/2] Is there a way to make the text in the tables a link? combine those 2 formatting options. [12:54:22] like `|userformat=* [[%name%]] - %weapon_type%`? [12:54:34] or something else? [12:54:45] Yes, but in the table instead of a dot list. [12:55:25] [1/15] ``` [12:55:25] [2/15] {{#invoke:Bucket [12:55:26] [3/15] |get [12:55:26] [4/15] |gifts [12:55:26] [5/15] |select=name, rarity [12:55:26] [6/15] |format=userformat [12:55:27] [7/15] |intro= [12:55:27] [8/15] |userformat= [12:55:27] [9/15] [12:55:28] [10/15]

[[%name%]]/td [12:55:28] [11/15] /tr [12:55:29] [12/15] /nowiki [12:55:29] [13/15] |outro=/table [12:55:30] [14/15] |delimiter=\n\n [12:55:30] [15/15] }}```maybe? [12:56:09] this is the page im working on atm. the top table is using the bucket module. the bottom table is one i did manually. [13:01:33] that worked, now to fix the headers 😄 [13:03:29] [1/5] based on what I can see it looks like if you edit https://tlok.miraheze.org/wiki/Bucket:Items and do ```diff [13:03:29] [2/5] "name": { [13:03:29] [3/5] - "type": "TEXT" [13:03:30] [4/5] + "type": "PAGE" [13:03:30] [5/5] },```then format=table should work [13:03:55]