[01:29:11] just realized i havent edited my wiki in a bit [01:29:12] sigh [01:29:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1493785252999725086/image0.gif?ex=69e03b6d&is=69dee9ed&hm=32b79994ad5774d9336cd8958cc76b2afc2ceb9d7abc4648e4a7941e9f1be36d& [02:15:45] I’m pretty sure Stripe users can cancel themselves? [02:16:36] Transaction ID would be useful. Please email to harej@wikitide.org [02:27:40] there's a self-service portal enabled by default but users need the link [02:28:07] i don't know how mh set it up but users should be able, in theory [02:39:59] googling "stripe cancel recurring" tells me otherwise but what do i know [02:40:15] Interesting… [02:41:43] [02:45:23] so when are we throwing you in the volunteer van [02:59:17] me? :JaHehehe: [03:24:48] Hi, just so I understand, MER has a 1000 page edit/parse limit correct? [03:34:10] Join us........ [03:34:36] I'm always happy to help but i'm a baby here 😂 [03:36:13] One of us.. one of us… [03:38:19] the limit is mostly anything it can do before timing out iirc [03:38:45] [1/2] 800 category pages? no sweat [03:38:45] [2/2] 4 fish pages? explode [03:39:09] Ive had runs where it would time out but i just keep pressing refresh each time it tells me and it eventually works [03:39:22] when I was parsing the fish category tho it capped at 1000 [03:39:29] didnt even time me out [03:39:57] which is an issue [03:41:19] If you interested in helping out with stuff by all means feel free to chat with us about stuff, or if you have ideas or suggestions on anything, say dm [03:41:25] :] [03:41:43] Hold up [03:41:50] how is there 1400 fish pages [03:42:01] Though of course just hanging around is welcome help in itself 💛 [03:42:02] but only 1600 change history pages [03:52:33] well :Think: i can learn, but i'd rather not deal with PHP [03:54:17] Personally I love CSS, UX/UI, a11y audits, etc. JS too but mostly [for custom tooling]() [03:58:58] You’re a wise man [03:59:33] attempted to make a custom skin years ago, failed miserably, cried, promised myself to never touch php again [04:01:10] I’ve dipped my toes in and am working on some basic hook contributions to the backend for Miraheze, but also, I’ve spent a good 5 hours over the last 2 days on my brand new laptop fucking around with operating system trying to install Linux on a Microsoft laptop that is less than amenable [04:01:43] Twisted, but in a fun way, is what I do say [04:02:01] oh i made a nice project for custom wiki loadouts when I worked at fandom [04:02:03] 😁 [04:02:13] it never saw the light of the day but they gave me permission to continue working on it [04:02:37] not sure if that'd be helpful? [04:02:50] Oh! What sort of project? [04:03:05] so basically we had to seed new dozens of wikis every month [04:03:41] fandom comes with a default loadout but, apart from coming with maintenance errors (lol), we really don't need most of the stuff + we always had to import the same templates, etc. that we used for our type of wikis [04:04:16] so my tool deleted everything and replaced it with a custom loadout, so you could have a loadout for anime wikis and another for roblox wikis etc. [04:04:17] Loadouts are one of the things I’m most excited to come to Miraheze in the (hopefully near!) future, there’s been prototypes made a few times each building on each other but I think @posix_memalign is nearly completion on his implementation, correct me if I’m wrong [04:04:36] Ooooooo [04:04:39] That makes sense [04:05:21] tbh it's a fancier special:import at the end [04:05:34] Hehehe… https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15116 [04:06:01] Most tools can be thought of as “fancier/simpler/better X” [04:06:15] True [04:06:25] ohh nice [04:07:26] [1/2] > We need a way to produce the XML dump. The current idea is to only take the latest revision, always attribute it to a user (e.g. Miraheze maintenance script), and then link to the loadout wiki in the edit summary. [04:07:27] [2/2] yeah that's what i did +/- [04:08:26] Since this is going to require us to still set up a whole loadout wiki, if you’d like to keep an eye on that and give thoughts or contribute directly, you’re very welcome to and would be much appreciated if that’s something you’d find fun (once the tech stuff is out da way) [04:08:43] are scripts/external tools allowed to edit on your behalf allowed? [04:09:08] But for now I need to sleep and take a shower. My firmware stopped supporting 5 hours of sleep a while ago [04:09:26] Sure yeah, bot passwords are available as well as OAuth providers [04:09:50] Generallt under the policy of what you run and is attributed to you is your responsibility is all [04:10:05] yeah i imagine this will be a PHP MW extension. I built mine with JS so sadly it won't be of help, but I can give my thoughts [04:10:37] The extension is PHP yeah, but the design of how we want our loadouts to work will be on wiki [04:10:39] ah excellent [04:11:13] can community source these loadouts? for example, say I want to contribute an anime wiki loadout [04:11:15] the extension is just to load a copy of (parts of?) the loadout wiki to newly created wikis who select it [04:11:50] I need to check if we’ve implemented it but I absolutely remember and strongly support the idea of having granular options like that [04:12:12] Either as namespaces in the loadoutwiki or by having secondary LO wikis [04:12:22] that'd solve localization [04:12:28] Mmmmmm [04:12:37] it's what we did at fandom [04:12:56] diff localized starter wikis to use as a loadout for diff languages [04:12:58] I don’t know, having a wiki or NS for every lang feels messy [04:13:16] But by all means I’d love to chat more about this in the morning [04:14:36] another option would be /{lang} subpages but we strip the lang code out of the final XML [04:14:51] find & replace [04:15:01] yeah, integrating with the translate extension maybe [04:15:12] this would allow for variants as well like [04:15:28] template:anime/1-column and template:anime/2-columns end up being template:anime depending on what you choose [04:15:46] possibilities are endless [04:30:56] Yeah we mostly just need CreateWiki to support one more thing to tweak (wiki creation) and then make sure CA is happy with how XML imports are done. [04:31:25] Maybe I should bug CA harder lol [12:11:35] probably a dumb question, but does anyone have an example of mobile-friendly wiki-tables? [12:11:39] this is driving me insane [12:12:56] Like ? [12:13:13] I think timeless also automatically does this [12:14:38] Interesting [12:15:05] For Equestripedia, it just stretches off th page. I’ll look into that [12:31:47] @miraheze/AstraVern [15:34:16] It doesn't if I recall correctly [16:02:41] notice how citizen is the only skin with table wrapping [16:02:43] ❤️ [16:03:44] is that....good? [16:16:48] It’s good [16:17:47] I see [17:27:38] notice how nobody gives a damn [17:34:16] Table wrapping is cool but you can do it with a couple lines of CSS [17:43:51] Watch your tone [17:46:37] Vector 2022 does it too through some CSS. Citizen uses a table wrapper which is too intrusive imo. [18:05:33] [[Help:SEO]] [18:05:34]

[18:59:18] Is there any way to have a section be marked as collapsible depending on the viewport or no [19:34:21] citizen is just the only skin that people should use [19:34:29] vector '22 I can tolerate [19:34:32] anything else is a big no [19:34:46] the timeless cat is gonna get you [19:35:06] timeless is disgusting [19:35:22] I suggest you blow up db161 to stop any wikis from using timeless [19:35:43] so happy I don't need to listen to people who think not offering cirrussearch is a flex [19:35:55] 💀 [19:35:58] wait are you talking about me [19:36:49] yeah I used my daily allowance of evil on your skin hating [19:36:59] :c [19:37:00] well [19:37:09] if I had more space I would add cirrussearch [19:37:18] but idk how nicely opensearch plays with hard drives [19:37:21] probably not very [19:37:38] actually tbh I could say fuck it and use ssds but idk how big the indexes will be [19:37:51] damn how disk limited are you and did ibw eat all of it up [19:38:10] not very I just don't like using the resources we have [19:38:13] ibw didn't eat much up [19:38:23] we have like 900GB left in the files cluster [19:38:30] and about 140GB for database [19:38:39] you dont like using the resources you have to offer a better service...? [19:38:47] but the good storage is like idk 30% used [19:38:55] I could prob deploy cirrussearch [19:39:02] but idk how resource limited the server is at the moment [19:39:11] idk i haven't had time to look into this stuff lmao [19:40:06] wow ibw is actually gone [19:40:22] thank you for publicly complaining [19:40:48] me and everybody else lol [19:40:48] wikikarens work out sometimes [19:41:06] the important part was that it was unprompted by my shitposting [19:41:20] its more iops, the thumbnailing is using so much io lmao [19:41:26] how many gb of thumbs do they have [19:41:39] so far it’s close to 6 [19:42:02] now it’s my problem [19:42:24] `Bytes: 46680733831` [19:42:26] glhf [19:42:29] I see ibw as an easy way to stress test [19:42:34] wtf is that in gb [19:42:35] yes do have fun with that [19:42:37] probablyblike 46 [19:42:49] really putting the stress in stress test [19:43:05] You might be able to add some `@media` queries and `overflow` properties to the styles in [Template:Collapse]() from Dev Wiki, if you use it, although PetraMagna may be able to speak better to that (as the developer of the template) [19:43:12] well so far they’ve killed the iops and killed the global enforcement team [19:44:02] [1/2] i do not think it wise to ignore our finding out and fucking around yourself [19:44:03] [2/2] but hey it's your rodeo, go crazy [19:44:47] self-service FAFO [19:46:46] [19:46:56] cant believe they made the move a brainrot [19:55:45] Please take brainrot somewhere else [19:56:24] we did that's the whole point [19:56:41] really funny of them to make their booting a brainrot though [19:56:52] That means it's now #offtopic [19:57:26] contesting on grounds of being directly related to miraheze but agree regardless [19:57:37] did you guys accept the Brazilian Soulframe wiki already? :eyesCenter: Damn, that's fast lol [19:57:55] courtesy of your techno overlord sam altman [19:58:12] is it actually LLM powered? lol [19:58:42] Yes [19:58:46] pretty cool [19:58:51] i dont know how more explicit we can by naming it "CreateWiki AI" [19:59:10] Wiki requests are triaged by an AI, namely CreateWiki AI and can be auto accepted by it [19:59:11] oh, I just heard from the brazilian wiki team [19:59:31] I'm from the olden days of days for approval, forgive. [19:59:41] The olden days? [20:00:05] Nothing after I've been born should be called the olden days [20:00:22] either pre-AI or the 632 periods where the AI was blissfully sleeping due to not being paid [20:01:14] We shouldn't have let the AI join a union and have rights to be paid on time [20:01:46] my bad for being such a commie and telling mwtask181 about socialism [20:02:03] i think she snitched [20:02:13] I assume it wants to be trained on the union whatsapp group the servers probably have [20:02:28] If it's anything like my works TU WhatsApp, it's quite the entertainment [20:11:28] a:shrug: I think the decision was sort of to play it by ear and see how it goes [20:12:20] although it gives me a chance to test out how effective SuggestedInvestigations are [20:12:40] while I lose no tears for the users of IBW, it would massively suck to send them hopping again so shortly [20:13:02] that's partly the reason it's staying for now [20:13:34] i would urge you to prioritize your sanity over them [20:13:36] sending them hopping between hosts isn't something I would want people to have to deal with, especially when migrating a dump of their sizes [20:13:44] so far it's been fairly quiet [20:16:05] a:shrug: well it's sort of done for now [20:16:27] sending them away this soon would piss them off and cause more problems [20:16:53] my advice is to take the short burst of suffering over infinite suffering [20:17:25] ikik [20:17:50] it wouldn't have been an unanimous decision if we thought they'd be able to change and reign in their users [20:18:17] true, I haven't seen enough yet to understand the full scale [20:18:45] i think its very telling from the way their administration acts [20:18:54] well it's incompetent to say the least [20:19:33] try childish [20:19:37] because they're all children [20:19:52] unfortunately I think convincing others to think the same way (specifically those who don't like mfa) is difficult [20:20:05] same reason I can't get temporary accounts out the door [20:20:42] and the same reason WO has no public community process for electing global rights holders [20:20:49] they share a common denominator [20:21:26] sounds like a rethink who you're surrounded by moment [20:21:57] yes but I can't throw people off the board [20:21:57] A good hard look might be warranted [20:22:04] I'm not even on it myself lmao [20:22:13] Then step away [20:22:23] well I sort of underpin the whole thing lmao [20:22:32] it's a catch 22 [20:22:42]