[00:51:30] Hey guys, I want to set up a poll for the wiki site I manage, but I’m not sure how to do it. Any suggestions? [00:51:59] [1/2] hmm [00:51:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495587804565082314/image.png?ex=69e6ca2f&is=69e578af&hm=fc83192571770b182ab26b0ddc005db86bddfab08d185697be71d8a93cf62601& [00:53:30] oh [00:57:29] thanks! :) [02:54:36] GOD i miss when the special pages link used to be on the toolbar [03:12:11] -# Well I mean... they are on my version of the skin, but only because I do not commit to changing a skin. [03:12:36] https://pseudopedia.miraheze.org/wiki/Usuario:Oska_the_Bandit_Bully_Kennels_Fan who is this [05:24:16] Is there an easy way to generate a number count of how many times a certain template is used on a page? [05:30:49] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/NewPP_parser_report includes it at the end [05:36:25] Is there an easy way to call that number to display on the page itself? [05:38:54] [1/2] You can use the Variables extension to increment a counter whenever the template is used, and then use `var_final` to output the final value. [05:38:54] [2/2] This is _a_ solution but not one that I would recommend unless you really need it to the point of wanting to deal with Variables. [05:40:55] Ah, yeah, I did see this option floated around in the wilds of the internet when I googled, but wasn't sure if there was something simpler that would work, haha. Thanks! I'll sit on this a bit more and see if it's something we really need/want. [05:43:12] You can display it with JS (there’s a gadget) [05:52:11] we could but it's easier just to rent them, cpu utilisation is usually about 15-20% but on the servers with hard drives it can peak at 40% [05:52:19] probably down to the io latency amongst other things [07:27:12] <.copyrighted> Hey everyone, how do I change my wiki's name so that it shows just a photo? [07:52:05] yo do y’all usually write stuff for the wiki first or edit the look and style of the wiki first [08:01:44] Put effort on content first and thinking through how the pages connect, then make it pretty. [08:02:39] You can do both, but content is def the higher priority [08:02:43] ahhh alright cuz this is my first time making one lol [08:03:27] It's also a marathon, not a Sprint, so if you're not having fun then it's perfectly alright to switch gears [08:53:38] whatever you can manage even if its barely anything, to keep a little momentum going because when its just you and a wiki, the mortality rate is proven rather high. So whatever strikes your fancy and moves forward and sticks around for more than a few months is a win, its an activity for the long haul [09:19:59] :stare: alrighty then [09:20:05] thanks y’all [09:43:06] How does styling for mobile play into this equation? I'm in the same boat as rust, and that is something I plan on doing last at the moment. [09:47:07] In my opinion its better to do the opposite to some extent, building core style structure, and then making sure to style the content around it [09:59:42] I agree with Aracham. If you do design first, you'll end up with an empty husk/shell that may or may not accomodate the content. Sometimes this is fine if the content will rely heavily on the layout (e.g RPG stats) [10:00:17] I mean, you can do a little bit of both. Think about your content and how you want to structure it more or less, make some stubs, then create a design and write the content [10:11:54] I made the content and added design and infoboxes and other templates later [10:29:56] I think you should do whatever makes it easier for new contributors to jump in and add more content [10:35:05] You could probably add a bit of style to make the wiki feel a bit less like a generic MediaWiki website but if a potential new contributor has no idea what to do or how to do it no amount of style will convince them to contribute [10:36:44] I pay writers so they just have a "writer's guide" to follow and a lot of creatve freedom [10:36:59] well im doing a wiki on a puzzle game so its a bit content heavy so i guess ill write first [10:46:46] You could just do what I do and be scared of CSS styling. [10:46:54] Makes things much easier. [10:51:36] am i scared? yes... but im going to push through [11:10:27] as Kratos said "are you scared? that's why you must do it" [11:10:55] ngl that game is a motivation boost [11:14:43] kratos jumping into cliff gif [11:17:55] https://giphy.com/gifs/kratos-falling-meme-IkfbUjTyQBH2ZKzrB9 [11:19:16] Do you guys prefer intro paragraph above or below the infobox on mobile [11:19:23] below [11:19:36] infobox at the top of the page [11:26:37] well one good thing of writing first is that i can delay learning how to code in html/css until i got a proper wiki working [11:45:18] What's the wiki/game about? [12:03:19] Above [12:03:58] Below ofc [12:09:05] Kinda torn on this, but probably above, since my mind kinda quickly skims through an infobox first, at least partially, when using desktop mode [12:10:08] And the reader may be looking for essential information and quick stats, which should be stored in infoboxes [12:10:58] paragraph above [12:11:12] it provides an introduction [12:11:21] it's what wikipedia does afaik [12:11:36] Oh yeah, and most wikis AFAIK have infobox first, so I am used to seeing that [12:11:56] yes fandom does that w portable infoboxes [12:12:00] True [12:12:39] Correct, and wiki.gg with their druid infoboxes too [12:12:48] oh that [12:13:22] Even at least some (if not most or all) Weird Gloop wikis do this too if I'm not mistaken [12:13:35] [1/3] To be clear I'm talking about these two options (intro above infobox vs. infobox on top) [12:13:36] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495759336054718525/Screenshot_20260420_141142_Firefox.png?ex=69e769ef&is=69e6186f&hm=82488f529eacbaa921124ae89144f0f077628a32be8bdb7aa1df583a21bef07c& [12:13:36] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495759336373354697/Screenshot_20260420_141233_Firefox.png?ex=69e769ef&is=69e6186f&hm=a7f26624ac0a8094eab3abb8d03a6c1ea90e737725ae5530fa4d627a5dd81679& [12:14:10] I guess you can ignore the quote I haven't decided where to place that yet [12:14:23] are the 20 references an inside joke or [12:15:22] Sort of [12:15:26] personally i'd have [introduction] - [infobox] - [quote] or [introduction - [quote] - [infobox] [12:15:37] 59 references for the pronouns [12:15:53] atypical find a something roblox game [12:16:06] i think it’s called find the folders office sim [12:16:12] Oh cool [12:16:21] of course it's roblox [12:16:29] its always roblox [12:16:37] but yeah introduction first [12:16:57] Yeah I'm leaning towards intro infobox quote right now [12:17:57] Dunno if this is true, but I've once heard (from F*) that placing quotes in the intro is not good for SEO [12:18:28] Yeah that one old FishTank blog which mentioned they appear in Google snippets [12:18:35] yup [12:18:46] But I think that's a Fandom skill issue [12:19:10] real? [12:19:11] and if your quote template happens to have a paragraph element Description2 will take it [12:19:29] I made Description2 ignore blockquotes [12:20:17] there's nothing real in seo [12:20:30] seo is astrology for web developers [12:20:46] "trust me bro" [12:21:21] but in general, the advice should apply [12:22:11] what we know is based either on observation or what Google recommends through their web guidelines and webinars [12:22:55] so maybe it applied for fandom at the time, maybe it doesn't, maybe it's how they setup the page (aka skill issue) [12:23:10] I still think the quotes might not be that useful to readers but I don't know if I really trust they hurt SEO [12:23:22] tbh it shouldn't as long as they're properly marked as such [12:23:29] I think the Limbus Company wiki has an entire subpage dedicated to references to a characters pronouns. [12:24:14] Pretty sure that happened after we did it [12:25:24] roblox miraheze takeover [12:26:38] No, and maybe i'd adjust the styling and de-emphasize the quote because it looks like a button [12:32:06] [1/3] [12:32:06] [2/3] [12:32:07] [3/3] Found them revisions [12:32:13] Hmm [12:33:35] Yeah we should probably do that [12:35:03] Agreed [12:55:58] <2n32> [1/3] hello, does anybody have an idea on why the NoTitle extension doesn't seem to work with \_\_NOTITLE\_\_ on my wiki? any other other way to hide it? [12:55:58] <2n32> [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495770000911237150/image.png?ex=69e773de&is=69e6225e&hm=eda3319e9b36d0fcb13bc6a21873a8cd06ca72081070a46e405aab364d672973& [12:55:59] <2n32> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495770001196585060/image.png?ex=69e773de&is=69e6225e&hm=52d3161d4ee500bbfd5b9ecd14370caba6fe41a1f68dc21f28cd5f6e6877b41d& [13:14:43] @posix_memalign any chance this is addressed by your patch I merged recently? [13:14:51] I can backport it to 1.45 if you want [13:32:56] I feel like every time I look the number is slightly different haha [13:33:31] They gotta let the public know that you are not them [14:24:01] yep lmao i understand [14:27:31] https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-thinking-twitter-gif-12745318719229189212 [14:39:56] [1/2] WMF please I need this [14:39:56] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495796163977416795/Screenshot_20260420_163753_Firefox.png?ex=69e78c3c&is=69e63abc&hm=b88f0418082936f574b5305edbef87e1768b3243149169a3cf2f3b6d61c2d9a6& [14:43:36] It was first 1, then it grew to 4, then we had a poll to reduce it to 2 (didn't pass), then someone made it 46 but I went 'wtf' and removed it, then others went 'hmm' so we had an actual poll to decide between 4 and 46 (passed), then we had another one because people didn't think the first one was serious (also passed), and the rest is history [14:45:36] poll to reduce references is crazy [14:46:00] and to increase it to 46 even more 😭 [14:49:40] having 2 polls because they thought the first one wasnt serious enough is so funny [14:59:43] That's probably the case. Somehow we never backported to 1.45. [15:00:11] Petra, 1.46 is supposed to come out may-june, right? [15:00:18] or summer? [15:10:24] May-June officially. Last year it came out on July 2. [15:10:45] that'll be fun to wrangle with [15:11:26] Should be fixed. Try adding `?debug=2` to the URL to bypass the cache if it's still not working [15:14:03] In what cases do you want to use `?debug=2 `instead of `?action=purge`? [15:14:30] use Ctrl shift r to purge [15:14:32] If you want to bypass CSS/JS caches instead of the parser cache [15:14:41] That only purges the browser cache [15:14:45] bypasses* [15:14:50] yeah I use it with debug 2 [15:15:14] gotcha, thanks [15:15:23] tostmaster [15:15:29] can you make the perfect tost [15:16:14] it honestly isn't that common of an occurrence in life, but I bet I can manage [15:16:52] .... [15:17:04] my purpose in life has been completed [15:17:06] goodbye [16:03:21] <2n32, replying to abaddriverlol> [1/2] Can confirm it works as intended now. Thanks! [16:03:22] <2n32, replying to abaddriverlol> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495817158242992320/image.png?ex=69e79fc9&is=69e64e49&hm=32e14b251778cafa7bb81cb3aad4748f2bf038dd21c230dcb34c961a74e0e1b1& [16:03:39] Cool design [16:04:00] <2n32, replying to amelialoveheart> thank you. [: [17:02:52] [1/2] Phab is not having a good day [17:02:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495832135389675561/image.png?ex=69e7adbc&is=69e65c3c&hm=f201c7cbe4115de5f7b9492283fdf24ab3703ba42271508cac64b96445c31a86& [17:15:31] How do i get `insource:"wikitable"` to search? [17:15:40] Is it cirrussearch? [17:18:16] Ok looks like it is, now i gotta enable it [17:18:55] [[SR/RC]] to enable cirrussearch [17:18:55]

[17:20:43] Oh wow bureaucrats can't enabled it huh [17:21:46] it can be heavy on server performance so its gotta be requested D: basically all requests get accepted though [17:22:32] Tyty [17:33:21] it only really makes a difference on large wikis [17:40:22] Define large [17:42:41] yea how big we talking [17:45:44] sup [17:47:20] Heya [17:49:02] I think it's more like, it requires tech to run a script for indexing the entire wiki in Elasticsearch [17:50:21] There was a pull request to unrestrict it in fact https://github.com/miraheze/mw-config/pull/5831 [17:50:46] [1/2] This is promising [17:50:47] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495844191043846235/image.png?ex=69e7b8f6&is=69e66776&hm=07e05a80ed1bdc7b3ac0526f5886b4d5fa1c755a2145c2e2c1b375f54fbca348& [17:53:43] I'm kinda curious how opensearch works [17:53:51] But on the other hand, do i want to know [17:59:37] i think i've already told you specifically that its not about performance [18:00:54] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1491461810442731690 [18:01:04] kindly don't spread misinfo, cheers [18:16:55] woops !! [18:19:28] i assume said issues you mentioned have been resolved [18:20:43] nope [18:25:20] ohh does global extension mean its enabled for everyone by default and cannot be turned off by individual wikis [18:41:23] I'd assume it's forced [18:41:27] there are no disadvantages of it [19:35:20] jesus, HAWelcome is acting on anon null edits when configured to greet anons [19:35:34] who on earth is hawelcome.. 🥹 [19:35:59] extension that can be configured to automatically add welcome messages for anon edits and newly registered users [20:31:05] [1/2] mfs be doing anything instead of installing CirrusSearch [20:31:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495884536028860537/image.png?ex=69e7de89&is=69e68d09&hm=c23aecea2080bd4552c61cce1d1893d79c7fadc3885fdaf05753c1fe0b02327b& [20:31:26] I wonder if Fandom's new search is going to be any good given it has AI in the name [20:33:05] reading the google page for it, its optimised for businesses to boost revenue [20:34:26] How do you fucking optimize a search engine for revenue lmao [20:34:45] Except making it intentionally worse so users have to search more and give you more ad views [20:38:22] GCS is pretty good and Vertex/Gemini can do a decent job at some stuff [20:38:27] I've got a mug from Google cloud [20:40:14] is it made of cardboard [20:40:46] a google rep will visit my place of work sometimes and everything they bring feels like its made of cardboard [20:40:56] i did get jellybeans once though [20:41:14] It's actually pretty decent [20:41:14] 😊 [20:41:37] wow im jealous [20:47:20] I know it was discussed earlier but any time I see double toolbars on website design I scream into my jar of horrors so that one day it can be unleashed upon every """UI designer""" who's never heard of heuristics, accessibility, or usability [20:47:37] Or even worse: those that have heard of them, but ignore them [20:48:27] [1/2] "real time usage patterns" it's because no one knows where to click anymore; you've destroyed their muscle memory [20:48:27] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1495888904388346068/image.png?ex=69e7e29b&is=69e6911b&hm=d1f0b07de504635afc995208240c8b8db817ea1faf813092430ccaaf24b80ce5& [20:49:30] Double navigation bars are another point how branding kills usability [20:50:14] Like nobody actually needs them to be separate they just did that to place the Fandom logo up there [20:53:14] Wish I got one [20:53:30] i've lost too much lifespan from them [20:54:00] [1/2] 100% - and like, I see the vision, I see that they are trying to differentiate being on "a wiki" and then being "on Fandom," with different sets of tools (and basically, different websites) - but Fandom the site isn't a social media network, so the difference doesn't really matter to a regular user :moonch: anyway my dedicated time for ruminating on poor ux and ui decisions has [20:54:01] [2/2] run out for today augh [20:55:25] That platform got some amazing designers (or at least, it was when I checked) but upper management pushes questionable design decisions and they have to land it the best they can [20:56:17] and yes them having to scream "hey we're fandom!!!" has been their focus since like 2016 or probably earlier [20:56:39] back in the day you could change the global navigation background to whatever you wanted and they wouldn't complain, good times [20:57:21] i'm yet to find a single person who knows what Fandom is [20:57:31] it's when you have the business people make design decisions that things start going downhill [20:57:37] they know some wikis, but they always always fail to recognize the Fandom brand [20:58:12] outside wiki circles i mean [20:59:13] I do love the Fandom community in general (outside of their respective wikis), met some amazing people in their server. I wish the community (instead of the brand) was the focus like it was a while back. Wouldn't make me go back though, I love it here 😎 [21:01:24] Fandom explicitly killed the Spanish community so I got nowhere go to back to anyways [21:02:54] And indeed, Fandom was the reason I was introduced to web development, which is what pays my bills nowadays. Met awesome people and friendships that have lasted over a decade [21:10:57] That [21:11:02] 's what matters! [21:11:07]