[00:07:40] how long does it usually take for a wiki to get verfied? if anyone knows [00:08:44] Assuming you mean reviewed, if it goes to human review than 2-3 days [00:09:09] will i get an email when its verified? [00:11:14] If I remember right, yes [00:22:56] Is there any way to manually adjust search results (esp the quick search) so that a specific, important page shows up in front of less typical results? [00:38:57] i think cirrus allows for this (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:CirrusSearch#Boost-templates), not so sure about default search [00:46:22] Thanks, I'll look into it! [01:17:03] this is probably a really stupid question, i know you use templates for the infobox, but can you use templates for whole pages? for example page formats that repeat for variety of items/objects/npcs in a game. [01:18:07] I’m not exactly sure I follow but in theory probably [01:19:25] for example, you would start a new page for a new item or npc, and you can choose a template and it'll add in all the headings and the infobox you need and have lorem ipsum place holder text. [01:20:45] [1/2] Oh like this? [01:20:45] [2/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:MultiBoilerplate [01:21:53] Adding subst: to th start of a template ({{subst: for example) also would work with some set up. [01:24:07] [1/6] preloading may be of interest to you [01:24:07] [2/6] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Creating_pages_with_preloaded_text [01:24:08] [3/6] as an example: [01:24:08] [4/6] [01:24:08] [5/6] our solution for getting all the available preload templates is a bit overengineered, but: [01:24:09] [6/6] [01:24:24] (https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/PreloadTemplates) [01:24:26] thank you both 😄 [01:24:35] thank you Jane [01:24:50] np! I love PreloadTemplates, my beloved [01:25:46] i love recreating functions available since mediawiki 1.23 [01:26:38] we got templates, extensions, and scripts for the same thing [01:26:45] some more convenient than others [01:27:08] pick your poison type deal with no explicitly wrong answers [01:27:45] (unlike with structured data where there is only one valid option and everything else is a big oof) [01:28:20] it sounds like preloadtemplates adds a whole heap - i noticed the other wiki the community is using has way too many templates and i want to avoid that because its soo confusing as to what one to use and ppl just end up doing their own thing. [01:29:35] you can choose the tenplates that go on the PreloadTemplates selection [01:29:39] i like the preload, it looks like it also does it based on category which will be amazing [01:29:43] With PreloadTemplates you can insert one at a time, but you can have as many or as few in the list as you like [01:30:06] this is the best part - they're all good! [01:46:11] PreloadTemplates is much more useful than MultiBoilerplate imo, since the latter overwrites the page when used [01:51:39] Data modules, of course [01:51:43] [1/2] I've finally managed to create this [01:51:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1497414777935499414/image.png?ex=69ed6faf&is=69ec1e2f&hm=4c7394700a09184ecdc0be100856a90208350566564eaf7d24b186f884150806& [02:09:19] [1/2] idk what i broke lol, i had this working where the results split on each comma and linked to the NPC page, but its not splitting on the comma's. I'm pulling the data twice so I can see what i broke lol [02:09:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1497419205753176274/image.png?ex=69ed73cf&is=69ec224f&hm=28355035d0cb786de545f78654765f798d2e74f0292c48e53348cc2ab83a4751& [02:13:05] still works on https://tlok.miraheze.org/wiki/Cloth but not https://tlok.miraheze.org/wiki/Bandage 🤔 [02:14:28] i think i might know what it is. i think its the comma at the end. cuz i make a spreadsheet to do my bucket coding lol [03:36:51] preload looks like a good starting point for patch notes [04:07:08] <18.748.837.46> i just fucking realized that i didnt have to copy paste countless templates from wikipedia and could've just done {{w:template name}} [04:07:10]

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[2/2] Not the correct result? Use `!wiki ?en page template name` for a direct link or `!wiki ?en search template name` for a list of all hits. [04:15:05] You could but you probably shouldn't [04:15:13] Scary transclusion is scary [04:22:35] <18.748.837.46, replying to kockaadmiralac> yeah i just realized it doesnt work half the time and 100% of the time it also includes the documentation [04:24:34] If you just do it that way you'll transclude the rendered HTML of the template page [04:24:52] Which isn't what you want, and it also doesn't accept any parameters [04:25:26] If you did {{raw:w: instead you would be able to pass parameters and it would indeed fetch the wikitext instead of the rendered HTML [04:25:52] But if there are any dependencies it's not gonna work unless you also have them locally [04:26:20] And also it's hella expensive because it involves HTTP requests between Miraheze and Wikimedia [04:26:37] So probably don't ever use scary transclusion [05:31:10] [1/3] spoilers because ||non-human sex in a scientific sense|| [05:31:10] [2/3] ||so would what amounts to basic sex-ed for an alien species or group of alien species constitute an nsfw tag? for the one group where details have been planned out it can be pointed to as vaguely human-like, but generally much simpler and, well, alien; for reference: male tube goes into female tube, pause a bit, bab(y/ies) or eggs come out female tube. there probably aren't go [05:31:10] [3/3] nna be any animations, and definitely nothing that even in-world inhabitants would call "risque", so where does it stand?|| [05:31:33] if anyone takes time to answer, thanks in advance 🙏 [05:49:04] Wrong server [05:49:13] Also weird to even type this out wtf is this [05:55:56] [1/2] I'm not sure what the question is precisely, but if you're asking if it falls under Miraheze's content policy around NSFW content, this seems generally permissible if it's framing is educational and does not involve image content. [05:55:56] [2/2] I appreciate you spoilering, as it is worth remembering this is an all-ages server. If the primary focus of the wiki is what you just described, a general warning on mainpage would be merited. [06:55:49] [1/2] happens in our wiki [06:55:50] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1497491306686185524/image.png?ex=69edb6f5&is=69ec6575&hm=e72675b2648de93c708906e0072bae11eac29665ca93ccb8eb8473efac43c82f& [07:02:11] [1/3] and antoher question is, the www redirection for our wiki works. the (blank) it doesn't works. [07:02:11] [2/3] also, I though the redrection wouldn't be just domain > miraheze but the domain takes all the urls although the ocntent is in miraheze [07:02:12] [3/3] could be that done' [07:21:58] [1/2] > Please note that currently, to use a root domain (i.e domain.com instead of subdomain.domain.com), you will need to setup your domain with Cloudflare DNS. The free plan should work fine for this purpose. [07:21:58] [2/2] From [[Custom domains]] [07:21:59]

[07:22:20] That's the expected behavior. The icon has black text and will not invert itself under dark mode. [07:29:44] You can change the icon or give it a white background as workarounds. [08:02:58] [1/4] So, I need to add another entry. [08:02:58] [2/4] Is not described in the options clearly. [08:02:59] [3/4] Also if I have to delete the other entries it should be said. [08:02:59] [4/4] A is incompatible with CNAME (it seems) [08:03:58] Before it didn't happen. [08:04:10] How can I replace the icon? [08:04:39] Right now that icon is not accomplished its mision [08:55:53] Hmmm, what a humble server. [08:56:04] :Chiikawa: [09:05:42] love our fellow mirahezians [09:05:54] love our fellow mirahezians [09:06:19] or whatever the demonym is [09:17:17] Hey, it is you — JustLeafy? [09:17:20] yes [09:21:31] Hmmm, how much time does the Wiki-Bot need to register that I have authenticated? [09:23:44] Apparently it's broken rn [09:24:17] Oh, my God — it is SquareAdmiral — I have not seen you in years. [09:26:20] Yeah same lol [09:26:57] So, have you moved your dominion to Miraheze? [09:27:45] all shall become the dominion of miraheze [09:38:56] We shall see about that, however, we may be in an age that is to witness the fall of an empire. [09:39:32] yes but I would bet this one lasts a little longer [09:42:08] I am quite uncertain. [09:42:41] As for me, the most important aspect is to not have a monopoly in the wiki-world. [09:43:15] Fandom, Miraheze, Wiki.gg, and Weird Gloop coexisting in harmony… [10:28:12] What rules should my wiki's manual of style have? Also, the wiki's here in case you're curious: https://fnafa.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page [10:33:09] Fandom isn't part of the harmony :steveo_kek2: [10:51:27] kill fandom [10:52:21] Such though thoughts on Fandom… [10:54:16] Fandom has feelings too… [10:54:30] :ChiiBlob: [10:55:52] Nah, it doesn't. It's laid all of them off [11:00:07] personally, I stand with the editors still stuck there, a lot of us were refugees from Fandom [11:00:38] but absolutely not with the company [11:01:33] i reached out to a small roblox game fandom once about a miraheze fork, they replied "no the game isnt big enough for that" [11:01:43] lots of people willingly stay with fandom [11:02:13] i doubt many are "stuck" [11:05:11] I mean, Fandom fights to be a monopoly. If it didn't have such terrible forking policies, I expect more people would move away from it. [11:05:29] I have a question regarding migration from one hosting-service to another — like, what is the extend of things you can migrate? [11:05:51] Agreed [11:09:16] When we migrated, we did everything except comments. I think there might be a way to preserve comments depending on which host you're migrating from/what comments extension you're using, but Fandom's comments system was lowkey kind of broken and a lot of it was spammy anyway, so we didn't even bother trying. [11:11:08] Hmmm… [11:11:55] If the wikis I managed were ever to be migrated, literally everything must be migrated. [11:13:13] The wikis I am referring to have important historic significance to the community, so, it would be quite important to preserve everything. [11:13:52] Content submitted to discussions or chat on communities are not licensed under the CC BY-SA licenses. As set forth in our Terms of Use that content is subject to a separate license grant to Fandom, Inc (only) which allows Fandom, Inc to utilize such content as it sees fit. [11:14:50] Ah right, I forgot that bit. Well, we didn't want the comments anyway lol. [11:44:43] Can anyone who uses a custom cursor (whether through user:USERNAME/common.css or just as a browser default) help me for ~2mins? [12:19:05] <18.748.837.46> Fixedsys font isnt rendering [12:21:24] <18.748.837.46> nor similiar ones [12:21:49] [1/2] NAL but I don't think any of this implies "all rights reserved" [12:21:49] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1497573342163505224/image.png?ex=69ee035c&is=69ecb1dc&hm=f665351d8adfa38d10d5c6a68683ce9d0111043a8aa658a07124f9d594dd854f& [12:24:01] I think it's highly unlikely to expect that Fandom would issue a copyright takedown over say, archiving social media comments to Archive.org or something [12:25:51] IANAL but basically everything you post is copyrighted by default [12:26:32] I meant "all rights reserved" as in "you can't post this copyrighted material" [12:28:05] [1/2] meanwhile the clause I screenshotted explicitly said: [12:28:06] [2/2] > you authorize others to [reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display such submitted content (including comments and quizzes) in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes] [12:59:39] [1/4] Where doest it says that ? I only find [12:59:39] [2/4] > [...], and to authorize others to do so [...]. [12:59:39] [3/4] Meaning with the license only fandom can decide who can use this i think. [12:59:40] [4/4] However it is said that this license is not exclusive so technically every user can be providing the wiki with another license to use their comment ? but that would have to be specified somewhere [12:59:53] (NAL) [13:03:21] "do so" was I'm assuming referring to "grant us a [...] license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, ..." [13:05:04] "others" being a different party to "us" (Fandom) [13:05:13] I agree but the sentence grant fandom the "right to authorize others to [....]" meaning they don't get it by default, fandom has to approve their usage [13:05:19] they will try to frame it as "all rights reserved" unless they were sued [13:06:16] even using CC-BY-SA and try to delete content youself. If they notice you delete huge amount of content, they will try to restore them. [13:06:59] this still does not make the wiki content "all rights reserved" [13:08:18] fair enough. I still think it's unreasonable/overly paranoid to use Fandom's ToU to refrain from, say, archiving comments & discussions to Archive.org [13:15:51] [1/2] Unless you can freely delete your content without Fandom able to stop you, the "all rights reserved" is technically in that license. [13:15:51] [2/2] I even tried to invoke GDPR and they tried really hard to deny that. [13:18:12] even outside the discussion of "migrating a wiki to another provider", you should think about ways to archive comments & discussions regardless since 1) data doesn't last forever, 2) Fandom has migrated their discussions like at least two times, to varying degrees of success [13:23:32] Talking about comments, is there anyway to archive Fandom comments & discussions? Didn't see any tool exist. [13:35:01] if you're archiving the comments & discussions of one single page, you can grok it by going to DevTools >> Network and scraping the `wikia.php` network request [13:35:40] Unfortunately I don't know a lot of the details of this API, so I've never gotten it to archive every discussion thread [13:35:59] Some people on this chat might know tho [13:39:18] https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/Nirvana#/wikia.php [13:44:04] [1/4] my own notes on the fandom API: [13:44:04] [2/4] - https://battle-cats.fandom.com/wiki/User:TheWWRNerdGuy/Messing_around_with_Discussions_API#Useful_links [13:44:05] [3/4] - https://github.com/YTFGolf/fandom-discussions-viewer/blob/main/doc/fandom_api.md [13:44:05] [4/4] I haven't updated these in years for obvious reasons but most of it should still apply I think [13:45:22] welp, too hard for me [13:50:23] [1/2] [13:50:23] [2/2] This one should hopefully still work for getting replies to a post [13:59:27] it's not the primary focus, no, but there are actually plans for image content, so would you mind having the primary example DMed to you or a recommended person who's less busy? [14:06:44] (Passing glance from an Assistant Steward) if there’s plans for images I would just go with the main page notice that doesn’t have to be too heavy handed and either a JS popup warning and / or proper spoilering images on the articles that would be more objectionable [14:07:22] well you definitely know a thing or two so yeah that works 👍 [14:07:28] thanks for the help, both of you [14:17:20] that’s what I’ve tricked people into thinking /j [14:17:41] Happy wikiing [14:20:13] :D [16:35:49] What Pix said, thanks for checking in advance rather than waiting until a problem happened. 🙂 [16:52:24] hola mi amigos :) [17:03:11] [1/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/PDF_export [17:03:12] [2/2] Has there been any plans on adding any of the PDF export extensions? [17:03:34] The build in PDF exporter tool is usable but not... ideal. [17:40:27] Have there been any requests for them? [17:41:08] We don’t usually go and proactively add these types of things without a request from a user [17:41:55] Fair. I felt like since the only seemingly stable one had external libraries that it would be more difficult or something 😅 [17:42:12] Which one [17:42:45] [1/2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:PandocUltimateConverter [17:42:45] [2/2] it’s also in beta so eh [17:42:51] Hm [17:43:39] discordapp.com/invite/ygs4Pzt7WM [17:43:39] @deniel8304 No invite links. [17:44:57] @rhinosf1 how miserable would it be to install this [17:55:39] discordapp.com/invite/ygs4Pzt7WM [17:55:40] @ajtheanointed No invite links. [17:59:48] There are many things about that scaring me [18:01:18] It would need a very thorough security review before going within a mile of any of servers [18:10:43] "LLM-powered cleanup" "AI cleanup sends page content to an external API — consider privacy implications for sensitive content." yeah this inspires confidence [18:24:35] [1/2] What would the point of cleanup be in the first place? [18:24:36] [2/2] Surely if you're exporting a page as a pdf you want the content on that page, not what an AI has decided are the useful parts of that content. [18:46:17] Hi. How can I replace a local user page with a global one? I tried deleting the user page but it didn't work [19:12:39] [1/2] You'll want to create your user page on login.miraheze.org > [19:12:39] [2/2] Local user pages that already exist for you will not be overwritten, however [19:17:28] If you are using a skin that is not enabled on login wiki, it'll also fail to render anything. [19:18:58] Yeah, I did. But there was an existing local user page before so I tried to delete it [19:19:08] I'm using Citizen, that might be why [19:20:09] We really should fix that [19:21:12] Yeah Citizen is not enabled on the login wiki. A workaround is to transclude your login wiki user page with something like `{{:loginwiki:User:Unai}}` [19:21:22] By enabling Citizen or fixing GUP? [19:21:38] There's no reason every skin can't be enabled on loginwiki [19:21:52] Which is now poorly named and has nothing to do with login [19:22:22] The effective sole purpose of the wiki is GUP [19:24:30] The login fandom is dying share if you're a true loginer [19:24:48] post this gup when they least expect it [19:25:13] That reminds me, someone brought up wgCentralAuthAutoCreateWikis (CA?) but login still isn't removed from it. [19:25:30]