[01:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [1/2] Therefore I say yes
[01:06:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [2/2] Miraheze rhymes with Yesiree
[01:06:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> True
[01:07:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> Do Miraheze sortable tables act generally the same as or are they the same as described in https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Sortable_tables ?
[01:09:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to kacii> we don't run a custom version of mediawiki unlike fandom, wiki.gg, and weird gloop, so yes
[01:10:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Weird gloop does?
[01:10:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> (although I'm pretty sure for all of them it'd still be the same)
[01:10:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai, replying to palezenith> I read Miraheze mentally in a completely different way then
[01:10:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Everyone does
[01:10:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> Babel tower
[01:10:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to amelialoveheart> idk how much they've done beyond performancemaxxing but yes
[01:11:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> Interesting
[01:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [1/2] I see, I'm definitely doing something wrong then 🤔...
[01:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [2/2] https://outlanders.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page I tried to make this table sort the dates via `data-sort-value`, but they don't seem to correctly do so.
[01:53:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <itslidosneakypedia> Hello
[01:55:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Hello there.
[02:13:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> It is the, MediaWiki logo
[02:14:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> I saw the cutest iteration of the Miraheze logo in the #commons-feed, and I just squee'd at it.
[02:46:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <prabhasxd, replying to itslidosneakypedia> It's literally mediawiki yooo
[03:12:36] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m1lkyzd0odlesx333> Hello! :D
[03:13:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m1lkyzd0odlesx333> It's my very first time using Miraheze and hosting a wiki/migrating it, where can i look up resources to get started?
[03:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m1lkyzd0odlesx333> There's a lot of stuff here that makes me a bit confused on how to start
[03:18:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Welcome to Miraheze! Miraheze's meta wiki's a good resource on getting started on moving your wiki from other wiki hosts, such as Fandoom.
[03:20:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <m1lkyzd0odlesx333> Alr alr
[03:21:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> [[Moving a wiki to Miraheze]] is a good starting point!
[03:21:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Moving_a_wiki_to_Miraheze>
[03:23:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here> [[FAQ]] also has a lot of stuff that could help
[03:23:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <Wiki-Bot#2998> <https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/FAQ>
[03:30:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to kacii> [1/2] You'll probably also have to specify `data-sort-type`
[03:30:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <janebuzjane, replying to kacii> [2/2] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Sortable_tables#Forcing_a_column_to_have_a_particular_data_type>
[04:20:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to janebuzjane> I shall try that out, thanks!
[05:54:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> how long does it take for the favicon to change?
[06:06:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ascendedone, replying to justleafy2003> I don't remember exactly, might be like 30 minutes? Regardless, to personally see a change yourself, I think you'll need to reset your browser cache.
[06:07:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> alr ty
[10:07:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> Does anyone here actually use Capiunto?  I'm just curious.
[10:10:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> I see 1118 wikis have the extension enabled, but do they really use it for infoboxes?  I'd believe like 5 or 11 wikis.
[10:36:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> a kiju + 10 number of wikis enable it
[11:40:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> Math checks out. 1 kiju is exactly 1108
[11:41:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108> But honestly Labster, 5 to 11 active users might actually be an overestimate. Most of those extensions are definitely just gathering dust
[11:41:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> although it might mean you are actually 1108 kijus in a trench coat
[11:42:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> anyway I would imagine for the most part that is one of the various extensions that just gets enabled by people adding extensions, which is not uncommon
[12:00:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kiju1108, replying to raidarr> We take shifts inside the coat. If one kiju burns out, the other 1107 seamlessly take over
[12:02:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> efficient
[12:44:55] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> hi. any eta on the citizen upgrade?
[12:52:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> I found the Refreshed theme and oh man it's so much nicer than the default vector/minerva. Time to fistfight the css into playing nice with dark mode extension.
[13:02:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to raidarr> then wouldn't they be 1108-Kijus
[13:02:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> yo quick question
[13:03:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> how can i give a template a respective font
[13:04:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kjsage> Big W for the Refreshed fans
[13:05:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> do i use @font-face
[13:08:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [1/2] And styling for dark mode was a lot easier than I thought it would be! Just had to target the header/sidebar/footer to undo the invert/hue filters on them.
[13:08:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [2/2] Still struggling with the infoboxes but that's a problem on every theme lol
[13:09:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zipppee, replying to kjsage> try citizen
[13:09:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow, replying to kjsage> Wiki?
[13:11:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wrendysloppymakeoutsesh, replying to wrendysloppymakeoutsesh> bump
[13:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [1/6] https://warriorclancats.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page
[13:12:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [2/6] Snipped the dark mode classes for readability here but
[13:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [3/6] ```.pi-title[style="background-color"], .pi-secondary-background[style="background-color"] {
[13:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [4/6]   filter: invert(1) hue-rotate(180deg);
[13:12:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [5/6] }```
[13:12:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [6/6] Ideally I would just slap `contrast-color()` in there for the infoboxes that have an accent color and let it resolve to black/white text by itself. Just not sure how when the portable infoboxes only give you inline styling to work with when there's an accent supplied.
[13:14:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> (Also rip the caching on the css edits, it's so aggressive lol)
[13:15:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf, replying to kjsage> You should test things on User:<Your username>/common.css before moving to the MediaWiki: pages
[13:16:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> ...I probably should huh. Didn't even think of that before jumping right to the theme's css.
[13:18:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> TemplateStyles are also never cached, but the CSS you can use is limited
[14:12:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marco9217> [1/2] mobile data IP address got blocked? 🤔
[14:12:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <marco9217> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1504486612338475110/Screenshot_20260514_110813_Chrome.jpg?ex=6a0729d8&is=6a05d858&hm=9ad4d50df10397c9922072534609831eeb910016c064559064159673d626817b&
[14:19:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091, replying to marco9217> spam IP and it was CGNAT
[14:19:58] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> Like, very huge amount of users using the same IP
[14:37:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <bartomelow> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1504492754129125606/HIR0-_raQAEc5WH.jpg?ex=6a072f90&is=6a05de10&hm=513e5416b08253401a58657ae3635cbbb430b5589ec4fc3d2095951ef06eb646&
[15:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [1/5] The things I do to keep text readable. I feel like this should be a war crime.
[15:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [2/5] ```const elements = document.querySelectorAll('.pi-title[style="background-color"], .pi-secondary-background[style="background-color"]');
[15:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [3/5] elements.forEach(element => {
[15:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [4/5]     element.style.color = "contrast-color("+element.style.backgroundColor+")";
[15:22:54] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> [5/5] });```
[15:44:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to .labster> looking at it, why is it even an extension lmao
[16:16:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <unai> ever since i discovered portableinfoboxes i never looked back :70_b_dogkek:
[17:19:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <eytirth> I learned today the "gutters" by the side of a Vector 2022 wiki page appear to be 17 em  in size
[17:33:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> What does em even stand for
[17:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kjsage> Em/rem units are weird. Very useful though.
[17:48:53] <Crystalite13>	 units of measurement?
[18:38:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yalaicon> wy cant i upload multiple files at once? im at Special:Upload, the batch upload extension is on, and I could a few days but I cant
[18:38:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to amelialoveheart> I think em/en come from traditional typesetting letter presses
[18:39:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to yalaicon> its at Special:BatchUpload
[18:40:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <yalaicon> odd, i swear I could upload multiple natively but i guess not 🤷
[18:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to .labster> I tried enabling it (don't rememeber if I disabled it) but I ended up finding [Module:Infobox](https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:Infobox) far more intuitive ([L232](https://outlanders.miraheze.org/wiki/Module:CreateLevel#L-232))
[18:46:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric> me again, id like to see how i can esclude messagebox images from pageimage?
[18:47:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric> we cant add `|class=notpageimage`, since messagebox doesnt use that file input method
[18:51:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to joanelectric> can you link the template
[18:52:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric> https://nostraightroads.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Stub
[19:07:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> you could just edit the metabox template to add the class there
[19:07:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> there's also the cursed solution of `image = whatever.jpg{{!}}class=notpageimage`
[19:08:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to pskyechology> whether you add another if clause or hardcode it is up to you
[19:18:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric, replying to pskyechology> i tried doing it like the infobox, it didnt work
[19:20:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric, replying to pskyechology> this worked, thanks
[19:45:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to kacii> [1/6] I expect that this is the reason why people enable Capuinto in the first place.  I expect the normal workflow is:
[19:45:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to kacii> [2/6] * Copy Infobox from Wikipedia (don't do this)
[19:45:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to kacii> [3/6] * Why doesn't it work?
[19:45:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to kacii> [4/6] * Look for infobox in ManageWiki, click Capuinto
[19:45:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to kacii> [5/6] * Why doesn't it work?
[19:45:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster, replying to kacii> [6/6] * After getting help, forget.
[20:23:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> off hand does anyone know the right way to `where` condition with BucketGet on null cells?
[20:46:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kacii> [1/2] That's a good question. Are you trying to capture rows with a null column?
[20:46:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kacii> [2/2] In SQL all comparisons with null are false and null is handled with `is` and `is not`, so I'd imagine it might create some hurdles.
[20:47:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [1/10] Yeah.
[20:47:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [2/10] Some things I tried:
[20:47:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [3/10] `where=field=""` - no
[20:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [4/10] `where=field="nil"` - no
[20:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [5/10] `where=field="null"` (or Null or NULL) - no
[20:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [6/10] `where=field="Bucket.Null()"` - no
[20:47:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [7/10] `filter=field MATCH "^$"` - no (I would have thought this one would maybe work as I assumed MATCH just hands off to `string.match()` but I suppose `nil` is not the same as an empty string, so I guess that makes sense)
[20:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [8/10] `where=not field` - no
[20:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [9/10] `where=field!="SLKDFJSDLKFJDSFLKSJFLKFDJ"` - does also not show them (nor anything else)
[20:47:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [10/10] think it is just actually not possible as-is atm, yeah
[20:48:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> I guess I can put a placeholder string instead of nulls in the empty rows when they get written
[20:53:03] <MirahezeRelay>	 <atxatx, replying to .labster> It was an infobox HTML builder in Lua essentially, I don't think it is maintained anymore
[20:55:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <.labster> That was just an example of someone else new to MW, I don't actually need help now.
[21:19:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kacii> I see it in the docs now. I can make some changes to accommodate nulls.
[21:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [1/10] That would be very handy!
[21:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [2/10] Another thing I am noticing although I could be messing something up (but if so, perhaps an example in the docs might be useful to know how to do this correctly):
[21:23:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [3/10] ```
[21:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [4/10] |where=missing=false
[21:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [5/10] |where=missing=true
[21:23:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [6/10] |where=missing="true"
[21:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [7/10] |where=missing="false"
[21:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [8/10] ```
[21:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [9/10] each of these give the same result (`missing` is a `"type": "BOOLEAN"` in the bucket's schema)
[21:23:49] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii, replying to posix_memalign> [10/10] (they all only give rows where `missing` is true)
[21:24:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> ah, wait. This might be a caching issue..?
[21:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [1/2] No... okay. not too sure, but: 
[21:28:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> [2/2] https://outlanders.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Pages_missing_an_image
[21:42:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <falken_4tavez> lmao
[21:43:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <falken_4tavez> yes, I'm definitely leaving this; no one I know is here.
[21:47:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> ...wat?
[21:50:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign, replying to kacii> Null support should work now (e.g. `column != null`)
[21:50:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> As for true and false. I noticed that I have not tests for the implementation could've been wrong.
[22:13:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> Boolean support fixed as well (hopefully, didn't test this one too carefully).
[22:15:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kacii> Yes it works now 😄 thanks very much!
[22:35:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric> is there a way of keeping styles exclusive to discussion pages?
[22:39:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to joanelectric> applying styles under the class .ns-talk  should work
[22:39:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <joanelectric> ill try that
[23:51:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thefat_man21> how to i become one of the green guys
[23:52:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> #verify
[23:52:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> bribes
[23:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <amelialoveheart> I lost my house to the Miraheze mafia and all I got was a green name
[23:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> [1/2] Why are you green?
[23:54:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <daforest> [2/2] Shh... it's okay.
[23:55:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <hihello_what_are_you_doing_here, replying to amelialoveheart> Really good idea for a t-shirt /silly
[23:59:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thefat_man21, replying to amelialoveheart> i mean in the game