[00:55:58] so like what's the benefit of Module:LuaInfobox if Extension:PortableInfobox exist? [03:38:13] <.labster, replying to ext_> The module will keep working whereas who the heck knows what will happen to PI in a new mediawiki update, especially when Parsoid becomes default. [03:39:30] <.labster, replying to pskyechology> Overall state of the MW ecosystem: shambolic. (Also I ask a question, then am afk for 4 hours. What a day.) [03:40:09] certainly faster than wiki.gg support [03:40:34] is it safe to use? or is it still in alpha [03:40:56] there's like a grand total of 5 mentions here about it [03:42:15] <.labster> I would say it's beta. It's safe because it relies on Scribunto (i.e. Lua) which is highly supported by the WMF, and it's just editing a wiki page. I haven't used it enough to say you won't run into problems. [03:44:33] mostly worried about the weird ass things we do, ie setting rowspan to 0 so it fits the rest of the table [03:44:50] or two headers in the first row [03:45:24] otherwise I already have it set into a table it's just that it's barely readable due to cargo queries and other crap [03:45:40] <.labster> Ah, well, it might not solve all your use cases. It's just a Module so you could try it. [03:46:11] since it's lua I guess I could bother our lua guy to poke it in case things happen [03:46:24] <.labster> The main problem with all of these different infoboxes is that every new one is a new domain-specific language. Except Template:Infobox which is kind of just hell, of course. [03:46:46] domain-specific? [03:46:53] can you like define that [03:47:55] <.labster> [[w:Domain-specific language]] [03:47:56]

[03:49:43] so it's just tailored for specific wiki use [03:50:37] Theres also the druid infobox that was originally developed for wikigg, similar concept [03:50:51] <.labster> Basically every solution is implemented in a different way, and you can't share knowledge between them. PortableInfobox uses it's own kind of XML, Capuinto uses its own weird Lua, Module:LuaInfobox uses a simpler but special syntax with the double-colon, and old standard template based infoboxes are tons of numbered parameters with bracket hell. [03:51:03] at most it could be an inspiration on how to do things as we already have a clusterfuck of an infobox in one module and I really don't feel like reversing whatever our dude wrote just to make it somewhat standarized with our CSS [03:51:03] @ext_ Watch your language. [03:51:40] wiki.gg stuff sometimes uses variables and I kind of don't want to use their tech as much [03:51:53] Fair [03:51:58] especially because I'm on vector-legacy so anything goes with the naming scheme [03:52:45] We are all a work in progress 🤣 [03:52:54] there are SO many different naming conventions, ranging from codex to wiki.gg crap to hardcoded values in the editor [03:53:07] duct tape on top of more duct tape [03:53:11] <.labster> I wish new vector looked a little more like old Vector. Or I wish old vector was responsive layout. Either way. [03:53:25] new vector is too flat for us [03:53:49] <.labster> I'm still tempted to try to make an extension to port the new search bar to old vector. [03:53:53] [1/2] I also hate the toolbar on right [03:53:54] [2/2] also can they stop like using LESS the docs are kinda horrible to read [03:54:34] the new search bar causes us to have lazy loading of the codex styles, so stuff is just broken until you click on it [03:54:54] then it magically loads the css [03:55:08] <.labster> wierd bugs are weird [03:55:59] the half a mb vector.css 😭 [03:56:29] this could have been done in LESS really but again, LESS is not fun to develop for [03:56:43] and is probably a nightmare to update [03:56:57] + in case of a fork you just can't get it [03:58:37] <.labster> LESS is not more? [04:01:14] Take my emoji react. 😭 [04:09:24] LESS is for writing less I guess [04:21:25] Every few months there are less reasons to use LESS/SCSS [04:22:44] less reasons...see what I did there heh [04:23:03] but yeah, there's a spec for CSS functions and mixins, we got nesting and CSS custom properties, etc. [05:23:31] <.labster> :where() and :is() seem cool. [05:40:24] The humble :has(): [05:59:45] <.labster> Waiting for TemplateStyles to support :has() 🦗 [06:04:28] I hope that day comes it does. 😭 [07:05:46] [1/2] im assuming this is known already [07:05:46] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510177380310843483/image.png?ex=6a1bddc9&is=6a1a8c49&hm=8d8b0105cb04e9445a8cbe0282b36484e7277caead0a01844f5c0b69c5da2900& [07:07:45] did you enable cirrussearch? [07:08:01] ah [07:08:03] right [07:08:06] i should check on that request [07:08:15] lowkey forgot about that [07:09:24] whoopsie doopsie [07:09:41] the funniest thing is probably i think this is not the first time i forgot ehe [07:16:59] [1/2] PI deviates too much from wikitext syntax which is the main reason people don't like it. [07:17:00] [2/2] I can take feature requests for LuaInfobox, though as usual I make no promises on implementing them. If someone wants to expand it feel free to do so as long as it doesn't mess up the interface. [07:35:55] [1/2] whenever i try to log into a wiki that's not meta i just get this [07:35:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510184970625224885/image.png?ex=6a1be4da&is=6a1a935a&hm=c87c865bec5684ba7b4f63528b3a8b71dd9d594727d856cef9d21a802f074418& [08:22:42] Same, I just log on meta first and then the target wiki [08:28:33] Dunno, maybe it's time to kill all cookies for Miraheze wiki, just read https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15258 [09:01:01] Agreed [09:19:27] even if i'm logged into meta i can't log into any other wiki [09:19:38] incl. wikis on the miraheze.org subdomain [09:22:32] ok there are some wikis other than meta that i can log into including backroomszhwiki linked here and i'm trying to figure out what's in common with all of these [09:29:16] oh i get it now [09:29:42] I can only log into wikis i already have a local account on [09:30:17] presumably because my IP is globally blocked because i'm using a VPN [09:30:55] and you can't create new local accounts with a blocked IP, you can only log into already existing local accounts [09:31:15] u should get a different message saying this if its the case [09:31:28] if i log out of meta i get the more helpful message [09:31:37] but when i'm logged into meta it just says this [09:33:31] this is not making any sense btw. is it really the intended behavior? because every time i log into another wiki i'll need help [09:33:49] since i use a VPN to bypass internet censorship [09:35:19] iirc its intended and users have to send an email to someone (i forgot) for a local or full miraheze bypass [09:35:42] Fairly sure local admins can do it per-wiki, no? [09:36:04] i just need to apply to this ig https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Global_IP_block_exemption [09:36:38] https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1504032013194362900/1504123803716816989 [09:38:24] this says "either make the account and attach it locally for the person or submit an ip block exception" [09:38:35] Mhm. [09:38:57] in both scenarios local wiki admins cannot lift the ip ban [09:39:06] That wasn't what I was saying though. [09:39:18] I was talking about being able to edit. [09:40:08] I'd guess that there's minimal if any chance of a VPN ip block being lifted. [09:40:11] why does creating a local account also require a global ip block exempt? it's defeating the whole purpose of making these blocks anon only and it's getting very frustrating for me [09:40:22] it doesn't happen on wikimedia at least [09:43:06] As I understand it (although this might not be exactly correct), it's not just an anon-only block tool but also a sock-restriction tool, so it also has to be able to stop people making multiple accounts when the first one is locked. [09:44:40] that makes sense for entriely new account creation, but here i already have an account i just want to log into another wiki [09:45:30] I'm not able to speak to the intention behind that, because that's not something I've much information on unfortunately. [09:46:13] If I had to guess I'd say it's because people could make multiple accounts before the first one gets locked, but given that they could also attach those before the lock as well I'm not sure. [09:50:12] anyway i'm working around this with a VPN node that isn't blocked but someone need to find out why it displays this unhelpful error message [10:24:40] wjhere do i "snitch" about duplicate wikis again [10:27:31] lol send [10:27:52] [1/2] [[mh:bingle]] duplicate [10:27:52] [2/2] [[mh:zenithtower]] established wiki [10:27:53]

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[2/2] [10:28:34] oh zenith tower nice [10:28:47] fun game [10:30:24] found ti https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Wiki_reports [10:52:46] Does fanart of variation of irl logo still count as CC 4.0? [12:27:26] what's the wiki [14:34:54] Why am I not able to edit my own wiki as the owner. I messed with the permissions, but why does it restrict me? [14:36:22] you can in fact remove the edit right from yourself even as bureaucrat [14:36:23] I think I broke that myself on the wiki I edit at one point, possibly you've not added yourself to the group that you gave edit rights to. [14:36:44] Ok seems to have fixed itself after waiting a minute [14:36:53] Ty [15:51:50] [1/7] > Your IP address is in a range which has been blocked on all wikis. [15:51:51] [2/7] The block was made by ‪metawiki>Reception123‬. The reason given is: Web host or open proxy. Contact cvt[at]miraheze.org if affected [15:51:51] [3/7] Start of block: 18:39, 7 February 2025 [15:51:51] [4/7] Expiration of block: 18:39, 7 February 2030 [15:51:52] [5/7] You can contact ‪metawiki>Reception123‬ to discuss the block. If you are trying to create an account, please use this form only to request an account. You cannot use the "Email this user" feature unless a valid email address is specified in your account preferences and you have not been blocked from using it. Your current IP address is 2a09:bac3:b269:197d::28a:35. The blocked range is [15:51:52] [6/7] ‪2A09:BAC2:0:0:0:0:0:0/31‬. [15:51:52] [7/7] Just so you know, this is a residential IP address from Astound Broadband, not an open proxy, so I think the block is mislabeled [15:52:44] (I just logged in so it’s fine, I just happened to notice it when I got logged out for a sec) [15:55:31] I'd suggest that you don't want to publically share your IP address, as that's specific identifying information.# [15:56:18] I mean, I’ve got stuff hosted on it, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ [15:57:12] Oh you know what [15:57:14] Never mind [15:57:44] That’s iCloud private relay, I didn’t realize that was enabled on my iPhone wtf [15:58:21] yup [15:58:23] it does on safari [15:58:54] you can temporarily disable it by going to site settings and enabling "show my real ip" [15:59:25] here cloudflare sites are blocked so i need a vpn anyways [16:00:09] Spain football? [16:00:16] Indeed [16:00:30] We have trouble with that at work 🫠 [16:01:42] A friend built a small proxy that redirects Spain users to a non-CF site [16:02:11] Other people I know moved to another WAF like Azure or Vercel [16:02:27] But it's still a pain because it's not the same service and quite more expensive [16:02:29] Yeah, luckily our parent company happens to run a giant CDN [16:02:36] So we’re in the process of migrating [16:12:05] [1/3] ngl but having fixed colspan on elements kinda blows, though at the same time I guess we can just frankenstein the support for different row lengths [16:12:06] [2/3] shouldn't be that hard [16:12:06] [3/3] also not sure why is title not using table header and instead is a `td` with a class [16:17:43] unless ACandy does not support these for whatever reason [17:10:36] why is global wiki feed going chaos? [17:15:05] there's more than 20k+ wikis [17:24:29] [1/3] So I'm trying to make a template that lists categories relevant to the subject matter. It works but it creates empty space for articles that don't fit every category. Is there a solution to this? [17:24:29] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510333087324700672/image.png?ex=6a1c6ecc&is=6a1b1d4c&hm=64c61c644961a54d6c03b575f9cecc0b2fb81b9e5961d9e838b4a5e06cefac06& [17:24:29] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510333087836274949/image.png?ex=6a1c6ecc&is=6a1b1d4c&hm=be599b3ff1575b02e07f82516640d67da09495fa7354165d37857b8b7c3743c5& [17:25:07] I wonder how many of them are not even being worked on anymore and are just being vandalised now [17:25:31] Given what I see in cvt at least a few [17:51:34] Is it possible to do a cross-wiki transclude, or otherwise keep content in sync from some other wiki? [18:08:18] [1/6] You can either wrap each parser function in tags: [18:08:18] [2/6] {{#ifexist: ... | ... | }}/onlyinclude [18:08:19] [3/6] {{#ifexist: ... | ... | }}/onlyinclude [18:08:19] [4/6] Or add comments between line breaks: [18:08:19] [5/6] {{#ifexist: ... | ... | }}{{#ifexist: ... | ... | }} [18:10:18] Thank you kindly. It worked. [18:46:40] Hi everyone. [18:51:22] Hey [19:07:14] What do you think if the worst skin to CSS alter [19:34:10] i have worked with, vector22, vector2010, timeless, citizen and minerva. minerva and vector2010 are by far the worst [19:36:38] citizen the easiest [19:41:56] [1/2] what are the qqx ID's for these? Forgot what they were and I can't use `?uselang=qqx` while in the editor [19:41:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510367680836665344/image.png?ex=6a1c8f04&is=6a1b3d84&hm=ff650571936e6482632be37ef3095f958eae73d5674531bf5266567fdb523f18& [19:44:40] for multiple parameters you would use & instead [19:44:45] ah [19:44:57] alright there we go, ty [19:45:06] i.e ?action=edit&uselang=qqx [19:45:07] np [19:45:40] damn i was wondering why qqx wasnt working in the editor [19:46:17] i can tell you don't obsessively look at urls when doing things [19:47:00] I do but you guessed so quickly :KEK: [19:47:19] [1/2] my browser hides them but i'm too lazy to find the setting [19:47:19] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510369033675866243/image.png?ex=6a1c9046&is=6a1b3ec6&hm=d30a1a42520fae17eb39330b51df4358d80c7ea78a8e11769acf1900f2939069& [19:51:21] the horror of having to search for "url" in settings [19:51:36] i say to my unsorted clothes [19:52:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510370410846228580/image.png?ex=6a1c918f&is=6a1b400f&hm=8ff6e4c309db0c5e68575412f7f035d4af228a3a5fed14ef734ca24b82fd18f3& [19:52:51] see [19:53:28] are we your unsorted clothes??? [19:54:11] Cats don't sort clohes [19:54:26] Is Skye one of us? [19:55:07] _looks at the pile of clothes next to my desk I never bothered putting away_ [19:55:33] u guys got clothes? [19:56:00] I wouldn't advise implying you're naked on a public server [19:56:57] if you accidentally fall into the pile, yes [19:57:25] im almost tempted to get up and find the correct thing but im not gonna [19:57:33] you got this [19:57:53] [1/3] I work on two wikis and I cannot for the love of me find out why one bucket is unsorted and the other is(by what criteria idk!!!) [19:57:53] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510371691845386491/image.png?ex=6a1c92c0&is=6a1b4140&hm=16f2dc2caa4b9219bd2d0746530018568f7f819a5aee2bdb86ccafba91d8cc6a& [19:57:53] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510371692159963347/image.png?ex=6a1c92c0&is=6a1b4140&hm=f9490d33de828a3ef2d3154c7381e84c647682d2f204fbc8d294a63352a5f140& [19:57:56] https://tenor.com/view/crazy-cat-funny-cat-cat-sleeping-lazy-cat-gif-3663060523172870024 [19:58:32] they're sorted by page ID [19:58:43] so generally the page made first will be at the top [20:04:38] ah....is there uh a way I can expose this pageid in the lua/bucket? [20:05:17] you can store the pageid like any other value [20:05:55] `page_id = {{PAGEID}}` [20:07:19] <.guardianx.> [1/2] I have a bucket question too heh. [20:07:19] <.guardianx.> [2/2] I separated out pages by namespace on my wiki and am wondering if buckets can store and retrieve data on non-standard namespaces [20:07:57] [1/2] spent a solid bit messing with editor colors, landed on something pretty nice I think [20:07:58] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510374227944145076/image.png?ex=6a1c951d&is=6a1b439d&hm=1ef6c1016d91c863e3d0c83c06494935d8d6477f992495c183e80afd2b6fd582& [20:08:02] It should [20:08:33] thats actually really clean i might need to steal that [20:08:55] Okay now Fandom-ify it [20:08:59] no go away [20:09:14] it's already partially fandom-ified by making the headers not 1.5em [20:09:43] I HATE you [20:09:47] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297279806223945779/1498667003576058018/IMG_8441.gif [20:09:50] <.guardianx., replying to yzxs> [1/2] Maybe I should check namespace settings >< [20:09:50] <.guardianx., replying to yzxs> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510374700813914122/image.png?ex=6a1c958e&is=6a1b440e&hm=ac686e3bd834ab4ba42d79c8f9b46b0b704bfaf55825b26e3e7c46bd6fdc19c3& [20:10:16]