[01:22:04] Update: Successfully setup mail server. Finishing up email and sending along the way. [01:24:43] [1/5] is there a way to add a parameter selected by a user to auto set some stuff on every page they visit? [01:24:43] [2/5] Like if i have sections on multiple pages that are split up to help hide spoilers [01:24:44] [3/5] lets say Summary-book1, Summary-book2, Summary-book3 [01:24:44] [4/5] Id like users to be able to select which book they default to automatically without manually needing to do so on every page they visit. [01:24:44] [5/5] I was thinking a dropdown of the options near the search bar or something, maybe add it as a query param to the url. but idk what works best with mediawiki. [01:41:23] evening [03:01:40] [1/4] ace's syntax highlighting is so good [03:01:40] [2/4] yeah man function names and parameters should be colored the same as normal text [03:01:41] [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510478342581653534/image.png?ex=6a1cf614&is=6a1ba494&hm=687d28ac31eecd5f76218d6162b7f8283f0ea8e7e4e7e6d433d2f64cda9884b2& [03:01:41] [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510478342858608660/image.png?ex=6a1cf614&is=6a1ba494&hm=3560e077fb9200dea9aa52e43cecf1d2e527830ca5487341a0ceeed64832f23e& [03:02:26] not really a big deal but really? couldn't add a color for functions apparently? :irl_george: [03:08:39] Ace hates you [03:12:46] I feel bad for Discord's rate limits. 😭 [04:09:44] how long does it take to import a template? [06:03:25] Pretty much instant [08:45:50] how do you people feel about using AI to generate that mediawiki coding? personal, human written content [08:46:23] but being pasted into something like claude to generate the formatting [09:00:59] That feels reasonable [09:01:11] Just don't expect any AI to perfect and treat it as a dumb intern [09:02:19] hah, obviously [09:16:03] It's really not that obvious to some people [11:14:58] [1/2] i saw the thumbnail issue was closed today, but saw no effect at my place. the code sais it still has 200px versions linked, so i guess i need to somehow make the galleries to restart? like, will disabling and enabling the extension back and forth will make them hook less downsized versions? [11:14:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510602486480637992/image.png?ex=6a1d69b2&is=6a1c1832&hm=8fd87697c58da948d5543342081cbb4a38f838f93a7c8381c515dd06f3adff72& [11:18:55] The script is heavily cached. I just purged the jsdelivr cache for https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/gh/lihaohong6/MirahezeDevScripts@dist/dist/DynamicCategories/gadget-impl.js. Give it another try, though the cache might still persist in other layers. [11:19:20] For testing you can just paste the content in that URL into the browser console under safemode to see if it works. [11:20:01] Also, check out the updated instructiosn on https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Dynamic_Categories for how to override the default in case you haven't [11:20:23] Ahh ok. Thanks a lot again! [12:34:56] when will css update to allow ::after? [12:35:22] for template data I mean [13:42:09] Would it be considered cheating to have AI help with a small coding issue? [13:42:26] Instead of basically just having it do all the coding [13:42:58] I don't think it is [13:42:59] Nope [13:43:08] That's considered good use of AI [13:43:43] Using AI to like us old relics used to use rubber ducks is good [13:43:58] Saying to an AI write me a new extension is bad [13:44:08] "Replace SMW make no mistakes" [13:45:42] If it's for web design tasks, I let the AI take control of a browser and iterate until it gets the job done [13:46:06] Also u have to give it enough context (but not too much) [13:46:11] response is just use bucket [13:47:19] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510640824629727293/image.png?ex=6a1d8d66&is=6a1c3be6&hm=9ac15b36ad8bc2cd8acb52638e06eba252dcdc26073148766ef521cf25dacbe0& [13:47:35] ngl, hate to admit it, since I do want to avoid genAI as much as I can, but I've very occasionally used it for debugging [13:47:46] For debugging it's so good with playwright [13:47:55] it takes screenshots and debugs animations frame by frame [13:48:40] but absolutely never for wiki content or generating templates/css lol [13:48:57] I do for Lua templating [13:49:15] hey, is anyone else having issues with their recent changes page taking a while to load? [14:02:39] At least I'm reassured that you're not that guy who took a few photos from my wiki and have AI described their appearances, which clearly BROKE the creator's boundaries [14:03:06] disgusting [14:03:43] A friend complained to her coworker that he was using gen AI without double checking [14:03:49] And he apologized using chatgpt [14:03:54] peak ragebait [14:04:03] And this happened BEFORE the creator came into my wiki. I'm glad I cleaned up everything before they came in. [14:07:08] maybe it's my OCD, but I'd go as far as to revdel AI slop text on a wiki 😭 [14:07:45] and maybe when I'm exaggerating when I'm saying this, but AI-gen text is like the spawn of satan, get that shit out of here [14:08:23] Even if you didn’t have ethical issues with it ai images or text generation just never looks or reads good [14:09:36] agreed [14:10:45] uhhh how do you... make a searchable table? [14:11:00] also, wikis are a fundamentally collaborative human work, taking that aspect away would ruin the fun [14:11:52] I would build wikis if I was good at writing [14:12:06] So I just handle technical stuff [14:12:37] Searchable table? [14:12:49] not all tasks necessarily have to be about pure writing [14:13:14] They are when I’m the sole editor :EmojiFacepalmLaugh: [14:13:30] if you're good with setting up a wiki's infrastructure (I mean like navigation and organization of, say, in-game characters and items), you can still work with that [14:13:39] and setting up pages [14:13:55] and leave major writing tasks for others to do, if possible [14:15:04] yes waiter more slop technical debt [14:15:29] Eh it’s for small functions I modify a bit later [14:15:44] lmao I sometimes literally put the bare minimum information in places when writing so that other people are forced to fix it for me [14:16:35] it's technically one way to advance human knowledge 😂 [14:17:28] [1/2] does it work? no [14:17:28] [2/2] does it mean less effort for me? yes [14:17:53] [1/2] Goosebumps wiki had a policy against that [14:17:53] [2/2] 😔 [14:21:59] Ngl, even then, these kinds of edits make me proud, simply because I created these pages and feel like they're ready to be edited and/or filled in with more info [14:23:05] But hey, on the occasion where I take like 30min to an hour discussing a specific game mechanic in detail, I'm most proud of these kinds of pages lol [14:23:23] I would kill someone for doing that [14:23:42] The wiki I’ve been mostly editing on lately is an anthology comic where most characters or places have like three lines of dialogue so I’ve been pumping out a bunch of really small pages lol. I like it though censuses number go up [14:24:37] I think it's a no brainer to document minor characters like that [14:24:57] All good and fun to see even the most irrelevant/mundane characters get pages lol [14:25:08] I'm tempted to write skibidi gyatt in an otherworld colosseum rule and seeing how long it takes for someone to fix it [14:25:10] I like Neocities [14:25:31] Its kind the Miraheze of websites instead of wiki [14:25:41] When I edited on Spanish wikis (where I can actually write) I would document even a random sticker on a subway wall in the first map of the game [14:25:58] Do it on IBW [14:26:33] I'm not pressing the edit button on ibw [14:26:45] Im glad they revived neocities [14:27:10] i was about to question if Neocities was deleted down before the edit [14:27:11] logged-in users do get an (_edit this data_) link so it shouldn't be that difficult to fix [14:27:19] Press "Edit source" instead :EpicFaceMH: [14:27:31] I never have an edit source button [14:27:35] why does my google switch to comic sans when i look up geocities [14:27:38] Oh [14:27:54] Geocities probably used comic sans as their main font, I dunno [14:27:57] ask them [14:27:59] Y’all making me feel old [14:28:07] google emacs [14:28:13] Because you are [14:29:24] google 6-7 [14:31:15] my computer has animations disabled [14:35:25] im not sure what im meant to be looking at [14:36:08] [14:37:26] it asks if you meant vim [14:37:54] i like that you think i know what either of those are [14:38:52] damn if you don't know vim how will you ever edit a file over ssh? Using nano like a plebeian? [14:41:51] who uses nano when there is vi/vim/neovim [14:42:24] you'd be surprised [14:42:42] LMAO [14:43:01] nano at least does come with instructions but I always get confused with how to do anything [14:43:18] (I cannot read) [14:43:57] and then if you search for vim it asks if you meant emacs [14:43:58] Yeah I always struggle with nano, it takes me three day to like read all the shortcut and find the right one [14:45:16] and then the cycle begin and you get stuck going to each other page ლ(╹◡╹ლ) [14:47:14] i dont want a phd [14:49:31] bro you don't need a phd to use vim [14:49:54] to use vim as a daily driver maybe [14:50:07] but you can install the keybindings in any editor [14:52:36] or i can just use nano or ssh + zed [14:53:38] also even for simple text editing you need to be aware of modes and commands [14:53:58] does anyone know how to make a search bar in a table? [14:55:14] [14:55:22] zed has a vim mode [14:55:43] I mean i use vim mode in clion/pycharm 🤷🏽 [14:56:01] and nvim itself for certain type of file like typst [16:00:29] is there a cargo vs bucket comparison? Im specifically curious about a scenario where you got a giant json, then store it and query it downstream. [16:12:49] nice to see that portable infobox is a default thing [16:13:05] I just discovered that while editing one of my wikis lol [16:18:51] Hello everyone. [16:20:54] quick question: if i asked for the Duet Night Abyss fandom wiki to be migrated over to Miraheze at some point in the future (assuming i've ever got the time to spare filling its pages out), would that be a 'sure no problem' or what? [16:22:24] there are (usually) no obstacles for a wiki migrating from fandom to miraheze, so yeah [16:22:42] you may be interested in [[Moving]] [16:22:43]

[16:31:14] ^ [16:31:50] though if it has other active editors, it would be ideal to ask if the other editors want to move or not, so that the forked wiki will have a stronger editor base [16:46:10] I don't think we have anything pre-baked, but https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Main_Page has a few use cases that demonstrate how folks have tried to make a lua wrapper for cargo-like ease of query [16:46:59] There's a growing number of folks with expertise though, so if you don't get an answer here, you may get benefit from an async #support thread [17:06:22] [1/2] happy birthday Earl 🥹 [17:06:22] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510690917038821426/image.png?ex=6a1dbc0d&is=6a1c6a8d&hm=bc814712decf341d030399b40ad71102b2a326bb64c4544ad6e39f0fc3ad5d84& [17:06:22] [1/3] i already have as part of a different wiki's process, got the go-ahead from one of the main editors to do it solo since they're all ~kinda abandoned it, and got denied by the one i initially applied to 🤷🏿‍♂️ [17:06:23] [2/3] clears up my free time anyway, so it's good actually [17:06:23] [3/3] i just know that i'm likely to wanna return to it after i feel satisfied with The Power Fantasy's wiki [17:07:56] if you have a giant json, query the json [17:08:37] JSON is more efficient than Bucket, the issue is that JSON's hard to edit [17:08:55] but if the data's already in JSON format then not really much point [17:44:48] [1/5] my wiki request was denied for being in a problematic category (was trying to make a wiki about an object show i'm producing) [17:44:48] [2/5] i knew of this rule before making the request, but i assumed it would be different because the reasons for object show wikis being banned is because of rowdy fandoms, and mine has none (due to it not existing yet) [17:44:48] [3/5] i would use it as a way to categorize and organize worldbuilding information as i create the setting for the show [17:44:49] [4/5] can i get an exception? it's ok if no, rules are rules [17:44:49] [5/5] idk if this is the best channel for this [17:55:06] make your case at [[SR/M]] [17:55:06]

[17:56:38] surprised there's no category for wiki denials [18:03:55] case made [18:38:27] Usually appeals are made in the actual wiki request itself and put on hold for the broader wiki team to review and discuss [18:53:04] Hello fellow wiki enthusiasts [18:53:18] hello fellow wikier [18:53:33] :stare: [19:10:38] What wikis have you been rejecting a lot og lately? [19:19:16] Low effort wikis are the most likely getting rejected [19:24:29] Very narrow wikis are getting instantly rejected [19:40:38] Low effort as in the intentions of the wiki or the submission proposal? [19:42:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1510730121315745832/6mv23zb.png?ex=6a1de090&is=6a1c8f10&hm=a966026d13d2914489fd7a698a66760d9345530035cfa6895dc68f1f103f5648& [19:44:07] Oh dang [19:44:13] Yeah, that makes sense [19:44:17] Or could be a troll [19:45:29] <_arawynn> [1/2] there's also every now and then people who basically say "I want a Wiki about (insert topic)" and then add that kind of gibberish [19:45:29] <_arawynn> [2/2] and Wikis that are meant for a singular person [19:47:35] <_arawynn> oh there's also quite a number of requests where we ask for more information and the people don't respond and the request gets closed because of that [19:59:36] And joke wikis? [19:59:53] No gifs... [20:01:11] #verify [20:03:21] I will [20:03:26] I will verify [20:05:09] That's how you unlock link access, is all. [20:05:16] Coolio [20:06:00] <_arawynn, replying to palezenith> depends, they're part of the restricted topics but not outright banned [20:06:58] Wait, so I know there’s a category for satire/humor, but idk how it works [20:22:51] there's a minimum character limit [20:50:21] 359 words! [20:52:11] There's a few flavors of things that are pretty much immediate decline or come back with a serious request [20:52:48] But putting words words words 350 words until you hit the character minimum is a good way to get your request declined [20:55:00] An example of this we get unfortunately often: " I want to make a wiki to scare my friend on his birthday" [20:55:33] Or some variation of a single page thing that usually causes more trouble than it's worth [20:57:05] I've done that before tbh although on Mirabeta [20:59:45] does that mean there is a Miraalpha? [21:01:04] so is there a miratoday [21:01:13] or mirarelease [21:01:14] wow [22:05:10] the alpha version is mirabeta. the beta version is also mirabeta. [23:17:06] If anyone knows how to see a full message regarding opening a wiki? [23:17:45] I get an email regarding my request and I can't see the full thing [23:18:46] uh [23:18:47] nvm [23:18:49] all good