[00:01:29] Oh wait nvm I found my solution [00:03:24] [1/2] TADAAAAAA [00:03:24] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1512970195415601363/image.png?ex=6a2606cc&is=6a24b54c&hm=86131224bb82f8dee3f0ad838e60b89264dc195fcbe7f077df0d35354d4052bf& [02:00:51] [1/2] Hello, it's me again. I finished my script to convert the content of the screwturnwiki to mediawiki. I'm about to start writing the part that would import into a mediawiki instance. I was thinking of using pywikibot for that, but I was wondering if it wouldn't be more useful to export to the xml format, then import is as a whole into mediawiki. [02:00:52] [2/2] As reminder: it's not an interwiki thing. We're moving away from an old `ASP.NET ` wiki engine. [02:02:56] It would have been ideal to use `importextFile.php` though. [02:03:58] Iirc the XML dump stores the page length and SHA integrity of each revision. Not sure if those were checked when importing. [02:04:48] It's a large dump (+12k pages). IDK if pywikibot would work. [02:05:06] When we were migrating our wiki and making mass changes we imported the pages to a local MW container then exported the pages again. [02:05:22] Good idea, I'll do that. [02:06:14] I guess you could try to see if importing a changed XML dump affects the import process. I don't think it did, but shouldn't hurt to double check. [02:08:08] I mean, the core issue is getting the data on the mediawiki instance, right? One page at a time with pywikibot's pagefromfile.py isn't really a good idea. So my thought was doing it in bulk. 83Mb of text data. [02:09:16] It would probably be saner to import into a local instance, through importTextFile.php, as you said. And it would also help figure out issues before going into production. [02:23:54] is there a templatestyles but with .js? [02:28:03] closest you'll get is gadgets [02:55:29] @pskyechology can you review my request for a new wiki? [02:55:40] no [02:55:47] ok sorry. [02:55:50] I can wait. [02:56:06] oh it auto did it [03:01:33] For future reference, if the AI doesn't auto review, it can be a day or two to get a human response depending on how many requests are ahead of you. [03:01:53] Pinging does not expedite that, we review in the order they come in [03:02:24] also the whole part where I'm not even a wiki reviewer [03:03:02] please just let the volunteers do their jobs in peace when they have the time, not when you demand [04:00:29] [1/2] I wrote a simple script to import a batch of text files stored in a directory into MW using pywikibot, if you're interested: [04:00:29] [2/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User:CoolMikeHatsune22/pywikibot-simple.py [04:13:46] I have a newbie question 🙌 [04:14:02] how do you make a Wiktionary-esque site? [04:14:44] so Ive made a wiki for my worldbuilding project, and I figured I should make a dictionary site for it [04:16:08] File a request at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:RequestWiki, and a wiki reviewer or the AI will review your request for such a wiki [04:16:34] alrighty thanks! [04:19:38] what specific elements from wiktionary are you looking atv [04:20:43] first thing that comes to mind is a setting i forget the name of (something CapitalLinks) that controls if the first letter of pages musr be capital [04:21:30] oh, and another question, how would you make a dropdown when you hover on a link? what does it called and is there already a dev.miraheze template for it? [04:22:51] I'm not really sure atm [05:55:16] six seven [05:59:18] Go touch grass or be annoying in #offtopic please [05:59:29] darn okay [06:08:28] the webirc client is broken, mibbit shut down :( [06:08:31] https://chinafake.wiki/wiki/Special:WebChat [06:11:33] this looks sufficiently old to replace it https://cgiirc.org/ [06:15:35] tbh honestly i wouldn't be opposed to just having a custom field for the webchat [06:15:41] so you can input your own whatevers [06:25:31] Thanks, but I have about 12k pages. I'm not sure miraheze's api would be happy 🙂 [06:27:37] Can you just make it sleep after each page [06:27:42] 12k requests is not a lot [06:27:53] It might get you rate limited if you don't slow it down though [06:28:12] 1s between every page will be more than fine and only take 3.5 hours [06:28:44] If you need it importing using maintenance scripts from the backend, you'll need to file a [[Phorge]] task [06:28:45]

[06:35:30] .. [06:39:30] Yeah, or I could import it all in a local instance and use it to generate a xml dump 🙂 [06:39:52] lots of things can go wrong in 3.5 hours [06:42:54] Isn't the request done from ? [06:49:10] For XML, yes [06:49:13] For text files, no [06:49:54] Yes. So, by generating an XML locally, wouldn't it be simpler for all involved? [08:07:07] Yes, if you can generate it in mediawiki xml export format then you can just do RequestImport [08:59:57] See https://www.w3schools.com/howto/howto_css_dropdown.asp. You will need some adaptions to make it work on MediaWiki, though. [09:02:04] Question. How do you get improved results from the search bar in the wiki? I feel like each skin gives me different qualities of search. [09:04:47] <_arawynn, replying to momentary_loss> CirrusSearch is extremely helpful. You've got to request for it to be activated (https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Restricted_changes) but there's very little chance for it to not be approved. [09:05:36] Isn't CirrusSearch an entirely separate page? [09:05:45] Or does it integrate into the wiki's searchbar? [09:05:55] <_arawynn> it's an extension that works via the searchbar [09:06:15] Alright, so I just open a Phorge ticket or...? [09:06:28] [[SR/RC]] [09:06:29]

[09:06:30] <_arawynn> nope, use the link to steward requests I sent [09:07:14] I can also just do it if you tell me what wiki [09:07:16] oki [09:07:24] gsgw.miraheze.org [09:07:30] <_arawynn> and as a headsup: CirrusSearch tends to not work properly upon first activation, so if you get an error message after it got activated you use Phorge about that [09:07:45] oh no 😭, alright [09:08:04] A Phorge ticket in "bug reports section right"? [09:08:26] <_arawynn> yeah that would be the right one [09:08:44] Done [09:08:57] If it doesn't start working in like half an hour, open a Phorge ticket [09:09:07] I'm on a train so I can't hit it with a hammer [09:09:12] Thank you! [09:09:23] Safe travels [09:09:46] Your welcome [09:09:49] Happy to be of help [09:41:21] I want to say: I enjoyed reading Miraheze Monthly and appreciate the time and effort volunteers put into it [10:00:02] okayyy thankss [11:09:21] [1/2] following up from yesterday's discussion, when I make an application with Miraheze to open a wiki - do I need to mention in "Now, please tell us the topic & scope of your wiki in at least two sentences..." (or in any other section of the request) that I am not a member of the administrative/moderation team and/or that I have support from several of the wiki's [11:09:21] [2/2] editors? or do I just leave this all out entirely? [11:41:43] when will my request be accepted? [11:45:39] @dcjanning [11:47:33] thank you my friend [11:47:52] ai analysis has become logical system. [11:49:54] but as far as i understand. progress is slow, directly proportional to the system. am i right? [12:42:45] Well i doubt your request would even be accepted [13:21:33] Good morning, I recently registered. Can you please activate my account under the name MarchoLazza? Thank you, have a nice day. [13:22:42] Are you getting something saying it needs activating? [13:23:05] Nothing we operate should need activating by staff [13:23:29] nothing I was told last night indicates that [13:23:37] You're through the Miraheze support. If you're talking about a game or something for a wiki we host, we can't help with that. [13:24:10] There's a guide to writing wiki requests pinned somewhere in the server I think [13:24:43] thank ypu [13:25:45] i would refrain from scaring users without appropriate context [13:40:27] OK thank you [13:59:03] [1/3] If I'm using the Citizen skin, how exactly could I customize this navigation bar? I checked out the Star Citizen Wiki and their sidebar has has multiple navigation links. Is this something related majorly to the CSS? [13:59:04] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1513180494261391431/image.png?ex=6a26caa7&is=6a257927&hm=d4bea490d23768fc6f67ad4a11b3112f9db3556658c59ccf845a784703329e49& [13:59:04] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1513180494760509612/image.png?ex=6a26caa7&is=6a257927&hm=06815dbc134ef1b69628c96cd04678e806af1d5c797d8d5622ed7c62243962ae& [14:08:33] This post should give you what you need: https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/1458546739140362312 [14:09:35] For adding just links to the sidebar - not the socials at the bottom - it's MediaWiki:Sidebar on your wiki, no CSS needed [14:34:55] Thanks! [14:39:06] And what would I need to do for the other things? Like adding a searchbar on the main page itself, and the tabs at the bottom? Should I just directly try to copy the CSS from the Star Citizen Wiki or do they have a document to explain the hows and whys? [14:42:33] they have doc https://starcitizentools.github.io/mediawiki-skins-Citizen [14:44:08] but note citizen on miraheze is fixed to 3.13.0 so their changes after that described in the doc may not work [14:44:28] (ofc search box on main page is alright) [15:00:22] Will it ever update? Or for the time being will it remain like this? [15:00:38] it will update when miratech does a security review on it i guess [15:00:47] tabs at the bottom is custom css [15:00:52] go to MediaWiki:Citizen.css on their site [15:02:40] [1/2] I didn't mean the Socials, I meant these tabs sorry. Are they also available solely on the CSS? [15:02:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1513196503282221157/image.png?ex=6a26d990&is=6a258810&hm=ae6d89219be81b6437347e18a246a156ab7b7179e32ea22425893b3f8be094f1& [15:03:02] no these are custom components [15:03:05] u can look at their soruce code [15:03:51] "adding a searchbar on main page" can be done by adding the `citizen-search-trigger` class. see https://starcitizentools.github.io/mediawiki-skins-Citizen/v3.13/customization/features#utility-classes [15:07:23] Oh, thank you! [15:31:22] technically you only need to mention what the wiki's going to cover, but it wouldn't harm the application to give a bit more info [15:35:43] [1/2] Really what we are looking for is an understanding of what your planner project is about and the type of content it will contain if approved. If there is a potential dispute of ownership/if this is a fork of an existing wiki, that's also helpful for us to know [15:35:43] [2/2] This helps reviewers assess it against our policies for possible issues so we can reach a determination [15:40:43] Back-reading a bit, I see there is somewhat of a dispute in the forking of the wiki, so another aspect you should be EXTREMELY sure of is what license the existing content is under. Failure to abide by the terms of the original content's licensing (e.g. must have full history for attribution), that could risk a project at Miraheze getting shut down if imported. [15:53:42] thank you, will look into this over the coming day or two [15:54:16] in this example, would "full history" pertain to edit/upload history? [15:54:37] Yep, this should be contained in an XML dump generated by the wikiteam3 tool [15:55:39] We have had issues with forks from fandom where only the most current revisions of pages were imported, which did cause a dispute. The wiki was able to continue going after we got the history imported though. [15:57:05] Putting it another way and in another, if multiple artists contributed to a painting under the agreement that everyone gets credit, but only the last artist to drop some paint got the credit, that might rightfully annoy the other artists. [15:57:39] noted noted & noted, thank you [15:57:58] wikiteam3 can reserve upload history? [15:58:06] i'd have used it if i knew it earlier [15:58:14] Most wikis have that attribution clause in their license, which works like above [15:58:19] Ah, I'm not sure about upload history. [16:01:45] im going on the Fandom wiki and at the bottom of a few pages they all say "Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted." - am I looking in the right place? [16:02:11] Yep, that's the license you need to abide by the terms of. [16:02:41] https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/deed.en for more details. [16:03:10] [1/3] Basically boils down to: [16:03:10] [2/3] * The history of the page (who contributed) must be preserved [16:03:11] [3/3] * It needs to be distributed under the same license as the original [16:03:57] thank you - with the licensing info in mind should I be good to go ahead and fill out an application? [16:04:52] Nope that seems to cover all bases [16:05:17] thank you [16:05:26] fandom uses 3.0 [16:06:08] Sure, but doesn't really change the overall situation [16:06:21] ive got one last question actually - does "the history of the page (who contributed) must be preserved" pertain also to file upload history? I'd expect so but unsure exactly from reading through the Creative Commons link [16:07:09] The file page XML does have the full history, IIRC [16:07:17] at least my wiki lost upload history (file description page edit history is preserved) [16:07:34] (we didn't use wikiteam3, we just used special:export) [16:08:06] At least so far, the few times we've brushed w/ fandom legal that was sufficient for meeting obligations in their view [16:12:34] [1/3] I wanna get of that huge text thing of mine, I believe you have to replace it with something called a word mark? [16:12:34] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1513214092419010670/image.png?ex=6a26e9f1&is=6a259871&hm=872a40fabfd87dfa2d3382f99fe8e478e6b3d9988c92e933acc4a685fedf26b5& [16:12:34] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1513214092758876290/image.png?ex=6a26e9f1&is=6a259871&hm=187102618f463aeae7d0b61ad387de970c96c9ad738cfb6f22bac14b39927bdf& [16:12:59] Would that logo be the entire thing or two separate images? One for the logo and the other for the name? And where do we insert it? [16:14:37] Special:ManageWiki/settings#mw-section-styling (or additional settings > Styling) on your wiki will have all the things you need to replace [16:15:05] Some skins use logo, some skins use wordmark, some use both [16:19:13] Correct. The advantage of this is that you can import from Fandom to Miraheze, but not the other way around [16:19:37] (Well, unless you set your license to the same before import) [16:19:47] True [16:20:21] But seems kinda odd how I couldn't see CC BY-SA 3.0 as a license option, even on a completely new wiki 🤔 [16:20:38] I know mh wikis are 4.0 by default, but still [16:21:37] Yeah, I think you'd need to request tech help as the front end is what it is [16:23:45] somehow mh only allows a localized 2.0 (kr), and all others are 4.0 [16:25:00] I really need to make an updated wiki request FAQ sometime soon [16:25:17] that's 200% from @pancake.yewon (apologies for the ping) who used to be a volunteer at one point [16:25:36] 1000% me, ofc [16:25:52] maybe even 1337% [16:26:06] or approvimately 140% [16:26:58] i always believe technically upgrading from 3.0 to 4.0 actually needs certain procedure, tho most wikis don't explicitly do that [16:27:28] it requires everyone in the wiki to accept the upgrade [16:27:50] obviously wikipedia failed to do that [16:27:57] or just be more complex and "some are 3.0, some are 4.0" [16:28:42] i agree with this. technically revisions before [timestamp] is 3.0 and pages updated after that is 4.0. as times go the wiki gradually becomes full 4.0 [16:28:49] Not saying it's a necessity for me or anything, just more of a question I was thinking of for some time 😅 [16:29:02] That's even weirder lol [16:32:14] also, version upgrading doesn't really need approvals, legalcode explicitly allows redistributing "future version of same license" [16:34:33] Revi's understanding was mine as well [16:35:41] yes. not approval [16:35:47] i mean other procedure [16:35:49] [1/2] i.e. BYSA 3.0 to 4.0, or BYSA 3.0 Unported to 3.0 US does not need any special handling, that is explicitly allowed by license [16:35:50] [2/2] See BYSA 4.0 legalcode section 3, subsection b.1 [16:36:20] large wikis usually have community discussions before the transition [16:36:31] (i don't mean it in a legal sense) [16:36:54] Not everyone will be happy with the upgrades anyway [16:37:00] ie. @pancake.yewon [16:37:03] there will always be someone [16:37:09] yeah, that someone. [16:37:10] yes [16:37:36] but if you didn't want that to happen, you probably should not have released it under CC license [16:37:47] actually one of my wiki's past editors refused to register on mh, and stopped contribution as the fandom wiki is also largely broken [16:37:50] so mea culpa in the end :P [16:38:05] @notaracham could I shoot you a PM please? I got a response to my application (already) and have....some questions [16:38:10] what did we do to hurt them 😭 [16:38:16] idk [16:38:38] [1/2] i just received this [16:38:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1513220652025249852/image.png?ex=6a26f00d&is=6a259e8d&hm=f478784bb8ab2f9972d69aeecd3ac98be7187c0c2e6f01e357118845b31a3c93& [16:38:49] (if someone is lazy and wanna spend time with legalese, 3.0's equivalent is section 4.b) [16:43:35] btw it reminds me of the fact that first resignation is about 10 years old lol [16:43:37] [1/2] what's more, many believe it's just a declare that we upgraded or 4.0 is nothing substantively different from 3.0. but actually there are some differences if you go into the legalcodes. e.g., 3.0 doesn't automatically regrant you the rights after your violation is resolved, but 4.0 does so if you resolve it in 30 days. there are also some other similar minor differences. these do [16:43:37]