[04:03:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <ccxtwf> It's less "weird bug" and more "breaking change that the developer didn't test all that well"
[06:14:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [1/2] ”Miraheze: more customizable than Fandom.”
[06:14:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> [2/2] (Please don’t sue me)
[06:14:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> I say this because I just looked at Fandom’s coding engine, and it’s so limited
[06:14:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> At least compared to Miraheze
[07:07:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> [1/2] Fandom: We give you ads to ruin your experience.
[07:07:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> [2/2] Miraheze: We're more customizable and give you more control.
[07:13:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> more like...
[07:14:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Fandom: we try our absolute hardest to give you the best wiki experience we can, except as a corporation, we have our own interest in being an ad-platform first.
[07:14:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> they act like they're so close into understanding what we wiki editors want, but yet are equally so far away
[07:52:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> Yeah
[07:52:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> It’s for revenue
[07:52:14] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> For their avenue
[07:52:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> For the money
[07:52:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> Come on honey
[07:52:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> It’s for the greed
[07:52:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> For your need
[07:52:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> (Alright I’ll stop)
[07:52:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> Even better. They're so, pardon my language on this, brain dead and so disconnected. Similar avenue to Roblox being greedy and not listening to their community.
[07:52:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Yeah
[07:53:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Now they're vibecoding slop
[07:53:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> I think it’s because unlike Miraheze, Fandom and Roblox are incorporated, not community-run
[07:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Yeah
[07:54:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> It's just sad, honestly. Makes me glad and happy we moved to Miraheze when we had the chance to in August 2025.
[07:54:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Corporations and private equity are cancer
[07:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> And the cure doesn’t exist unless we through millions of dollars at them
[07:55:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> All that craze, ads, bloats, and unnecessary features, are just not needed
[07:55:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> All we wanna do is build wikis for the topics we love, it's not that difficult
[07:55:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> Even if they needed add revenue, they could have it just be on the sidelines to the right alone, not on top, bottom, and in the text
[07:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> [1/4] To corporations it’s also not difficult
[07:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> [2/4] …
[07:55:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> [3/4] …
[07:55:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> [4/4] It’s near impossible
[07:56:07] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> God bless other wiki hosts
[07:57:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> I mean, Wikidot is an example of utilizing adds but not to the excessive toxicity that Fandom does
[07:57:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003> Whether it's Miraheze, wiki.gg (which is a commercial platform, yes, but currently way better, more light-weight, and way less intrusive than Fandoom), Weird Gloop, or any other similar host
[07:57:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith, replying to justleafy2003> Fandoom is an appropriate name
[07:58:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <justleafy2003, replying to palezenith> Wikidot has pretty outdated infrastructure and is not MW-based, but yes, from a UI/UX perspective for a reader, it's indeed better than Fandom
[07:58:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540, replying to palezenith> [1/2] I always named them that way in my edit summaries on the My Life as a Teenage Rabbot Wiki when we moved and I removed everything Fandom-related: CSS, templates, and JS in addition that.
[07:58:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540, replying to palezenith> [2/2] > Removing everything "FanDOOM"-related.
[07:58:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> Damn
[07:59:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> I remember I at one point tried to make a wiki on Fandom because Miraheze wasn’t discovered yet for me. And then I saw the adds and ran away
[07:59:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <palezenith> I’m glad I chose Miraheze not going to lie
[08:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> [1/3] Same! When I heard about the commotion on them implementing AI summaries and other anti-consumer stuff into the editing experience, I knew we had to leave, but where? I ran a poll on the wiki's server I've been running for three years on where should we move off to. The answer? Miraheze. Since we're a small wiki, we had a green flag to move, and so we did. Sure, we get error
[08:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> [2/3]  502s sometimes, but it's better than ads and, well, anti-consumer and AI slop.
[08:01:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <wickerbasket2540> [3/3] Add that onto a user essay on TrustPilot!
[08:50:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> [1/2] The most important point of using Miraheze is that your data wasn't sold to 3rd party while having 0 ad.
[08:50:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <max20091> [2/2] A but rare 502s wasn't big problem.
[09:07:07] <Frisk>	 https://frisk.space/imgs/Miraheze.png Man, had no idea Miraheze needs official presence on Minecraft Wiki of all places! 🤣
[09:09:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> well I can assure you nobody authorized that one
[09:09:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> and if it was one of us then the one who dun it needs a spank
[09:10:02] <Frisk>	 Yeah, don't worry, it is fairly obvious
[09:10:25] <Frisk>	 Unrelated filter bonked them and I bonked them for the second time with gblock
[09:10:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> whoops
[09:10:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> miraheze got banned
[09:11:15] <Frisk>	 apologies to everyone, Miraheze is no more
[09:11:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> we've been g'blocked
[09:13:56] <Frisk>	 For some reason same creature tried recreating "Battle For Dream Island" page for like 6th time, really weird place to do that for unrelated web series
[09:15:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> I would not begin to explain certain people
[09:15:54] <Frisk>	 I get that feeling a lot while working on the wikis, yeah
[11:45:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [1/2] damn i love fisch's implementation of themes
[11:45:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1525830334078517399/image.png?ex=6a54cfbc&is=6a537e3c&hm=a9ba49c57618b37ead3b6f5dafe335a561b0b76669618c4942f6f2466f0668d4&
[11:55:24] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to whostacking> didnt u make it
[12:32:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <jkgyx54> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1525842181267652608/image.jpg?ex=6a54dac4&is=6a538944&hm=f31b4d6a573dd54defbe089b19b183901011dd86c285e92a970b1c0e251b95ef&
[12:32:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> @Discord Moderators
[12:32:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> holy shit even more free money
[12:33:22] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> [1/3] Hello. I have a problem setting up rights on my wiki. In the group (Everyone) (*), the right to read ("Read pages") has completely disappeared in ManageWiki. I didn't delete it, the group wasn't affected — it just stopped displaying. It is currently unclear how anonymous users gain access to browsing.
[12:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> [2/3] Is that how it should be?
[12:33:23] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> [3/3] How can this right be restored? Is this a bug or something I don't understand?
[12:34:13] <MirahezeRelay>	 <tangoer_man, replying to zombie_daniil> heya, can you pass a link to your wiki
[12:34:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to tangoer_man> https://arasaka.miraheze.org/
[12:36:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> ManageWiki hides `read` for `*` because it does not allow you remove it. You can add it to other user groups but that makes no difference.
[12:36:29] <MirahezeRelay>	 <posix_memalign> As long as Special:ListGroupRights is fine your wiki should be good.
[12:37:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to posix_memalign> What?
[12:38:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> Oh, thanks, I get it.
[12:42:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> Can I remove the /wiki/ address from my wiki?
[12:43:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to zombie_daniil> Ye
[12:43:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> That is, without it https://arasaka.miraheze.org/wiki
[12:43:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> without wiki
[12:43:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to rhinosf1> How?
[12:44:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to zombie_daniil> Ask me
[12:44:46] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to rhinosf1> ?
[12:45:12] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to rhinosf1> How to remove that?
[12:45:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to zombie_daniil> I'm not sure the confusing part of that. You need to ask someone to do it for you like me.
[12:45:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> You can't do it yourself
[12:46:31] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to rhinosf1> And how? Through support? Or can you do it?
[12:46:45] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to zombie_daniil> I can do it right now
[12:46:48] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> If you would like
[12:48:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to rhinosf1> Yes, can you do it? Can I remove it or just replace it?
[12:48:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to zombie_daniil> Just remove it
[12:49:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil, replying to rhinosf1> Yes, can you do it now, please?
[12:50:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to zombie_daniil> Done
[12:50:41] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Although it may take a little while to fully work
[12:51:10] <MirahezeRelay>	 <zombie_daniil> Ок
[13:28:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <1024720274928697384> Is api.php supposed to serve HTML CF challenges?
[13:30:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <1024720274928697384> Had a user who got 429'd because of some overzealous scripting a day before, but the cf challenge means they couldn't preview pages without manually going to api.php to go through the challenge
[13:33:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <captain_kirk, replying to zombie_daniil> so you are the guy who joined CAS:U wiki huh...
[13:34:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <whostacking> so ominous
[13:49:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax, replying to rhinosf1> Is it a Phorge request if you want the main wiki page only to not use /wiki/Main_Page or a SR request?
[13:49:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to 1024720274928697384> The scripting will have got them blocked so ye
[13:50:21] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to xeravax> I can also set the main page to the root of your domain for you if you'd like
[13:53:59] <MirahezeRelay>	 <1024720274928697384, replying to rhinosf1> yeah it'd be fine, but since it only happens on api instead of a regular page, they can't actually solve the challenge without chasing them through dev tools, since mediawiki doesn't specially handle challenges and assumes the request fell through
[13:54:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <1024720274928697384> it's not the end of the world but kludgy :/
[13:54:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to 1024720274928697384> We know
[13:54:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> There's not a lot we can do though
[13:55:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <1024720274928697384> yeah fair
[13:55:02] <MirahezeRelay>	 <1024720274928697384> rough
[13:58:30] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax, replying to rhinosf1> Ohhh, that'd be nice. Where do you want the request?
[13:59:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to xeravax> Here, I'm right here right now looking at discord
[13:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax, replying to rhinosf1> [1/2] -# The IT guy in me:
[13:59:37] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax, replying to rhinosf1> [2/2] But sirrrrrr, there is a ticketing portal for this exact reason
[14:00:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to xeravax> Ye but that means I have to open the ticketing portal
[14:00:15] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> I'm not getting paid or tracking any metrics on it
[14:00:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax> :KEK:
[14:00:19] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> So it's to no benefit
[14:00:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax> placewiki.miraheze.org (place-wiki.stefanocoding.me)
[14:00:47] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax> Anything else you need? :hmmmm:
[14:01:42] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1, replying to xeravax> Done
[14:01:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <rhinosf1> Same as last time, might take a little while to take full effect
[14:02:11] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax> Ohh
[14:02:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax> The redirect is also in now
[14:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to xeravax> [1/2] benefit of the ticketing portal is for tasks that take longer/will be sitting around for a while, and that we can verify identity
[14:14:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to xeravax> [2/2] this exact thing is literally a button click and you already verified your wiki account in this server so not really any need
[14:15:16] <MirahezeRelay>	 <xeravax, replying to thewwrnerdguy> :heheh:
[14:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> [1/2] heya. i got reported that the wiki i'm managing (albeit i've been on-and-off for quite a long time) has this issue, ie: contrast with text/bg combo:
[14:52:56] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1525877628358103090/7.png?ex=6a54fbc8&is=6a53aa48&hm=135404a134f110fb3227674c692bedd25eaea451c67bfdd3cc22db543f9ae767&
[14:53:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> last time i checked, it wasn't like this. title of the paragraph was regularly white
[14:54:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1525877913545740548/image.png?ex=6a54fc0c&is=6a53aa8c&hm=c2b4fdf15bdc87a0d891eb188828bd68218e39e1a6b1f39c84667b2a5633f10f&
[14:54:20] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> is there some options i have to tamper with?
[16:21:57] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cleavages> what wiki?
[16:24:25] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages, replying to thewwrnerdguy> https://cwars.miraheze.org/
[16:24:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> (SFW)
[16:33:50] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [1/3] I'm trying to log onto the Modern Beta Wiki (wiki.modernbeta.org), but it keeps spitting out the error "Modern Beta Wiki uses cookies to log in users. You have cookies disabled. Please enable them and try again." even though my cookies are always enabled
[16:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [2/3] This does not occur when I log in via incognito mode, but I don't wanna use it as a solution because I can't stay logged in; this also does not occur on any other wiki (or I haven't found another similarly problematic wiki).
[16:33:51] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> [3/3] Is there something I have to do, or it's a problem on the wiki's end?
[16:36:09] <MirahezeRelay>	 <emiliers> iirc this is a bug. I've heard the solution is to log into Miraheze Meta first
[16:40:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to oinite12> what happens if you ignore the message and try logging in for a second time? that usually works for me
[16:41:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> ...oh, i am suddenly logged in
[16:41:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12> (Specifically when I clicked "log in" I got automatically logged in)
[16:42:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cleavages> [1/4] ```css
[16:42:04] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cleavages> [2/4] .mw-heading, h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {
[16:42:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cleavages> [3/4]     color: inherit;
[16:42:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cleavages> [4/4] }```
[16:42:18] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12, replying to thewwrnerdguy> From what I remember though it continues to show the error and I am not logged in
[16:42:27] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12, replying to emiliers> And I also tried this to no avail
[16:42:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy> https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1472725999790854246 for more context
[16:43:26] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> ah, it had been answered already, my bad
[16:46:40] <MirahezeRelay>	 <oinite12, replying to oinite12> (For anyone finding this via search, maybe try logging in via incognito, then log in outside incognito? 🤷)
[16:51:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages, replying to thewwrnerdguy> tried to paste in sitewide css, but it didn't work
[16:51:53] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages> tested with ctrl+f5 and private mode
[17:02:00] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to cleavages> put `?debug=2` at the end of the url. you can also verify it works by using browser dev tools
[17:07:34] <MirahezeRelay>	 <cleavages, replying to thewwrnerdguy> ah, yes. apparently now it works. thank you!
[21:13:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <galadino> [1/4] is there something to be done about the css error checking being really outdated and not understanding some newer techniques
[21:13:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <galadino> [2/4] super minor gripe that doesnt matter at all but it just tells me "this document contains errors" every time when it actually works perfectly fine
[21:13:38] <MirahezeRelay>	 <galadino> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1525973433073274980/image.png?ex=6a555501&is=6a540381&hm=992e0db38bd2f0e5080bbfc69ec515ccf40c933bc1c092d99cc76a1c9512b23b&
[21:13:39] <MirahezeRelay>	 <galadino> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1525973433391911032/image.png?ex=6a555501&is=6a540381&hm=be8c37de7912d83fb1d6e893b34c7bf9459e0f0bb1e56509defcb08c6b744f1b&
[21:16:33] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology, replying to galadino> no 💔
[21:21:17] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84, replying to pskyechology> do u know if theres a way to disable the "this has errors" message that pops up before saving
[21:21:52] <MirahezeRelay>	 <pskyechology> havent looked into it but i would hope so
[21:25:35] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> that's part of an extension iirc, code mirror or something?
[21:25:43] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> if so that seems like an upstream question
[21:26:01] <MirahezeRelay>	 <raidarr> both in how it processes things and if it can be customized that way
[21:53:28] <MirahezeRelay>	 <thewwrnerdguy, replying to kai84> I think it doesn't appear if you don't use syntax highlighting? never shows up for me
[21:57:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm, replying to galadino> [1/2] question since i've been wondering this for a bit,
[21:57:06] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm, replying to galadino> [2/2] do the & selectors actually take effect here?
[21:57:44] <MirahezeRelay>	 <galadino> for me yeah, what do you mean?
[21:59:05] <MirahezeRelay>	 <sjsm> i always assumed not because of the errors, so i was just wondering since i never tried to publish with them
[22:02:08] <MirahezeRelay>	 <kai84> itll shout at you and tell you its wrong, but they do work
[22:14:32] <MirahezeRelay>	 <orduin> I'm pretty sure CodeMirror is supposed to be more up to date, but it isn't enabled by default or something