[00:19:49] <.labster> Is Extension:Variables actually broken forever on the next MW, or is it the little extension that could? [00:36:10] Variables works with Parsoid even though everyone thinks it doesn't because of that big warning on top of the extension page. [00:59:18] [1/2] got my vscode theme in wiki 😺 [00:59:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526392612431331500/image.png?ex=6a56db65&is=6a5589e5&hm=f076552687c3976f88be5e88f99764e8a943d8bfac021473ea61d437aa6701a6& [01:31:18] I never broke a bone too [01:31:26] But my friend broke his arm while skiing [01:36:22] My sister broke her pinkie when we were kids, she says it hurt and yet she never told anyone it did back then lol my parents had to randomly notice her finger looks like a carrot one morning [01:45:27] wow [01:59:23] is bucket any different in terms of handling? like sure I would have to rewrite modules to use it but [01:59:32] is it worse or is it about the same [01:59:55] [1/2] like I define cargo tables in templates, because it's just easier to do there [01:59:55] [2/2] and have the actual functionality and queries in Scribunto [02:00:33] bucket's beta still though according to MW [02:00:49] I've heard that it's way less resource intensive [02:02:23] oh it doesn't use SQL formatting but instead it's uh [02:02:28] [1/2] whatever this is [02:02:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526408511796281344/image.png?ex=6a56ea34&is=6a5598b4&hm=8585bb6abbc2d04f2719060ca704c80cabab3fd740e0930e4921bf05e4811100& [02:04:06] [1/2] or a better example [02:04:06] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526408921370202212/image.png?ex=6a56ea96&is=6a559916&hm=ae645a4b3371625a2d151de1b0a4de159fb3c8ddbfde8faed01852395f28f039& [02:07:07] I wonder if it's faster than rawdogging the searches manually with scribunto [02:15:28] If you want SQL, there's https://bucket.miraheze.org/wiki/Querying_data which basically does all the post-processing with Lua. [02:17:12] oh I don't want to use invoke, I want that for a module [02:17:51] though I guess it wouldn't be that hard to just rewrite it into bucket [02:17:56] still, bucket is in beta [02:18:06] unless it reaches stable I don't think we're gonna have it [02:18:28] Designations on mw.org is meaningless [02:19:25] Nothing prevents me from marking an extension as stable on mw.org and then liberally break backward-compatibility, or mark it as experimental and never change the interface. [03:38:32] TBH I can probably self-merge this. Would be nice to hear from CA because this is somewhat of a DOS vector for long-running scripts, but leaving search indexing broken indefinitely isn't ideal either. [03:47:51] Only thing I'd consider checking is if we could define different scripts, and/or checking what is a reasonable time for these scripts [03:48:34] [1/3] I just got a random DM from @MirahezeRelay that automatically deleted itself [03:48:35] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526435204686807240/Screenshot_20260713-234609.png?ex=6a570310&is=6a55b190&hm=e9a87b5064202e0e1ab7f0b0a40365586d161dd7e2e4a07a48e38a3e9641840b& [03:48:35] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526435205131272243/Screenshot_20260713-234621.png?ex=6a570310&is=6a55b190&hm=01c1d075fd8c22708d6a591cab8bd7e249e8e3d3f9404a696b6e28e56e86a000& [03:49:09] Supporting custom time limits in ManageWiki is probably a step up from the current workaround since only certain types of maintenance scripts are long-running. [03:49:47] For CirrusSearch indexing a more conservative time would be 10 minutes which probably works for most wikis besides the largest ones. [03:50:41] IIRC the rate of indexing was something like 6 pages per second for main NS and about 15 pages per second for pages in other NS when I ran the indexing script on mwtask. [03:53:00] Might be more of a follow up than a blocker then [03:58:08] I'd +1 for now, with an eye towards working out a more comprehensive solution later [04:05:40] Thanks. I guess we can merge for now and see how it goes for future CirrusSearch installs. [04:12:05] so i'm a Bureaucrat, right? but i don't have the privileges needed to edit thepowerfantasy's MediaWiki:Common.js page 😐 [04:19:13] The permission for editing those pages may be limited to the interface administrator group. If you go to Special:UserRights, enter your username, and add the group to yourself, you should be able to edit those pages. [05:00:22] is there a way to view logged in vs logged out user stats on analytics page? [05:43:37] [1/2] like the 3rd time happening lmao [05:43:38] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526464165001170995/image.png?ex=6a571e09&is=6a55cc89&hm=02b990a75c6fbbb5bd16ef5a53d0b635249b5e61a2ba70e07c585189091e5bd3& [05:55:00] That shouldn't happen [05:55:36] well somehow it happened [05:55:41] what even causes this 😭 [05:55:42] wtf [05:57:39] all in favor of blaming citizen [06:23:51] I blame Citizen on this in its entirety. ~ Vector 2010 user [06:31:28] it doesnt have the central login notice thing so unfortunately it is actually citizen's fault [06:42:36] I have a question, is it possible to create a Wiki for yourself like a personal documentation? Will there be my personal articles, my guides, rules for my various projects, etc., or is it impossible? [07:15:31] I'd like to revert my domain name back to the miraheze subdomain. Do I go through Steward requests/Restricted for that? [07:35:32] its doable! private wikis exist https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Private_wikis [07:36:21] and yes i believe this should be done through steward requests but dont quote me on that i just got here [07:39:32] @pixldev for thc btw help plz [07:42:27] weird question but [07:42:31] what time is it for yall [07:42:48] It's a bit wrong, I want other users to be able to view my articles too, which are only linked but not edited, there will be documentation about my projects and so on, is this possible? [07:46:46] oh, in that case, you could simply turn off edits for all users [07:46:54] in your Special:ManageWiki/permissions [07:48:14] [1/3] edit the "(everyone)" group and uncheck everything you dont want them to do [07:48:14] [2/3] err... i dont actually know what groups take precedent, but id turn permissions off in Users and Autoconfirmed Users too [07:48:14] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526495523161505803/image.png?ex=6a573b3d&is=6a55e9bd&hm=1e4224429244005f1f63a6d766208be2f2d4331af51a66f3fd4cacd9ae993e28& [07:48:22] someone more knowledgable than me on this correct me [07:48:35] but this is my thought [07:49:07] Thanks [07:52:48] How do I become a volunteer? What do I need? Do you need English or will a translator be suitable? What are the positions and so on? [07:53:14] [1/2] Chat is this the right way for changing favicon? [07:53:14] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526496783860240384/Screenshot_2026-07-14-01-01-28-498.png?ex=6a573c6a&is=6a55eaea&hm=a61d679cd6d1582e66461f11cbe9a3b6d62d963d2faaf7af46af58e6d661fbeb& [07:56:05] It seems that it is the link that is needed [07:56:48] I don't remember exactly [07:58:00] [1/2] Like this? [07:58:00] [2/2] https://static.wikitide.net/edentianwikiwiki/a/a8/FaviconEdemia.svg [07:58:40] Yes [07:59:18] Thx, I tried, gonna wait a bit before it applies [08:05:13] How do I become a volunteer? What do I need? Do you need English or will a translator be suitable? What are the positions and so on? [08:10:33] you could read the [[Contributing]] page [08:11:09] @zombie_daniil and the translator role also exists on meta. [08:11:34] English is valuable because all operations are conducted with it, but whatever you are doing to translate seems to get by at a glance. Otherwise [[Contributing]] is indeed the main resource [08:11:35]

[08:11:49] It is highly discouraged to seek most roles without having first helped out informally however [08:13:46] translation is greatly preferred when there is a native understanding in both the english source and the destination language. It is a strongly held preference that the community would rather translations are not based on auto translation if they are done manually, more at [[Meta:Translators]] but I think my first assumption is what you meant by this anyway. [08:13:47]

[08:17:08] I don't understand how to become a volunteer. And is it possible without English? [08:20:22] [1/2] volunteering is about doing; it is finding a corner to be helpful and then being so, and from being helpful and familiar with matters, you might be able to get into activities that require elected or appointed access. It is possible without English as long as it is not too commonly difficult to identify meaning, as many things to help with can be precise. Help desk questions, checkin [08:20:22] [2/2] g for strange things on the request boards, more at the contributing page. It is not possible without English for the most part, but again, if your translation works decently you have a fair chance. We have had multiple volunteers who haven't had perfect English but have been deeply involved in Miraheze [08:21:20] I mean there's me with my muddy English so the bar can't be at the moon [08:22:08] hi! how would i unlink from a custom domain [08:23:25] oh looked it's stack-i mean splatched [08:23:29] I mean stackd? [08:23:31] cant tell [08:23:59] [1/2] I feel like with languages the important part is to be understood, not to be fluent. It's just that being understood is harder the more advanced (such as professional/technical) things you require of the language. [08:23:59] [2/2] But also you could have told me you were a native English speaker and I would have believed you. [08:25:44] oh look, sakurababochka [08:25:45] hello [08:30:04] this is true [08:39:44] I have a question, is it possible in the menu that is configured via MediaWiki?:Sidebar where all links are added as is by default, there are buttons for administrators that are only accessible to administrators. Well, those buttons in the panel that point to other pages? [08:40:46] uh [08:41:17] The sidebar has links that lead to other pages, yes [08:42:26] im crying they r ignoring u so bad [08:42:51] they was not feeling me [08:42:55] you've been placed on a hold list [08:43:11] https://github.com/miraheze/ssl/pull/921 [08:43:28] *plays obscure 80s music while you wait* [08:43:35] and what is that git link to [08:43:41] A virus [08:43:47] its to unlink the custom domain [08:44:01] isnt it like 4pm for you [08:44:07] of course [08:44:20] 4pm is bed time for stackd [08:44:25] ❌ [08:44:26] Is it possible to hide some links from everyone so that they are visible only to administrators? [08:44:32] sleepd [08:44:42] lol [08:44:48] there's an extension that allows you to add a new section for those with specific user groups [08:45:08] i personally use GroupsSidebar [08:45:17] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526509880473555065/image.png?ex=6a57489c&is=6a55f71c&hm=2630a56b8d176247149373ed9607b6c7bb1a194512b0255caa70816bc8a4341d& [08:45:32] Thanks! [08:45:35] stackd go ask in the tech channel for the unlink thing [08:45:56] i have done it [08:45:57] how does one even afford a custom domain anyway aren't you a pillbaby [08:46:09] boy our domain is increasing from $4 to $44 [08:46:21] LOL [08:46:23] FAH [08:46:25] and franklin's the one who purchased the domain [08:46:30] what domain is it [08:46:32] and he was not feeling the renewal cost [08:46:34] tagging.wiki [08:46:35] tagging.wiki [08:46:37] HA [08:46:39] beat you [08:46:40] franklin needs to stop buying domains 😭 [08:47:08] "yo just put it on the company card" - probably franklin [08:54:07] Can you tell me how it works? I turned it on, but how does it work? Please [08:54:07] > The resulting message names are "MediaWiki:Sidebar-groupname" whereas groupname is something like "sysop" or "user". For example, the message name could be "MediaWiki:Sidebar-sysop". You can edit it the same way you edit the normal sidebar. [08:54:07] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GroupsSidebar [08:54:08] me and stackd just blinked at the same time [08:54:08] Thanks [08:57:42] Transfer that domain to a different registrar. Clearly the current one is giving a starter discount to squeeze money out of renewals. Cloudflare charges $25 per year so that's the base price for `.wiki` domains. Anything lower than that would be paid by higher renewal rates. [08:58:12] To cancel sumit a request on [[Phorge]]. Someone needs to remove the wiki from Cloudflare as well, and this can only be done by tech. [08:58:13]

[09:07:50] franklin loves those first year discounts [09:18:03] It doesn't work for me. I have enabled the extension in MediaWiki:Sidebar/group-user, MediaWiki:Sidebar/group-sysop I made a menu but it doesn't work. Help please [09:19:31] > For example, the message name could be "MediaWiki:Sidebar-sysop". [09:27:45] I go out of my way to avoid .wiki as a ripoff tbh [09:31:27] I usually go with org. Cheap (around $10) and well-established (also matches Miraheze). [09:32:10] yeah I kinda js bought for stackd with the intention of only having it for 1 year 😭 [09:33:23] hey bro I aint really care that much I didnt wanna spend a lot on a wiki I dont even work on nor have ever even touched really 😭 [09:34:27] 😭 [09:44:50] its probably better to just go with a long term cheaper domain out of courtesy if it is a gift [09:45:39] it become a nightmare if passed off onto a community that has to worry about steep renewal, though the biggest problem I've seen is just when it is controlled by someone who then dips and the domain becomes unusable at all [09:46:24] for this reason I generally do not recommend wikis take any custom domains that aren't in the full control of their established core who has done the research and wants to make a long term committment, and avoid gifts of domains entirely [09:46:57] this record even includes from stewards regrettably [09:58:15] and for unauthorized users? MediaWiki:Sidebar? [10:22:20] and how to remove the items in the navigation bar that are created for the administrator themselves? [11:11:53] by editing the mediawiki: page? [11:12:01] yeah because theyre visitors [11:18:16] What do you mean? It automatically creates a Wiki admin settings panel for administrators there, even without an extension. How do I remove this? [11:24:24] There's a setting somewhere [11:24:46] That allows you to switch off ManageWiki view links [13:05:01] Oh ok [13:05:10] Oh doesnt really matter for me but i should delete it [13:05:20] to quote the fiberstate site, "switch issue" [13:06:07] #global-wiki-feed okay so it's back? [13:06:18] [1/3] you can make a PR for miraheze/ssl here like what i did [13:06:18] [2/3] https://github.com/miraheze/ssl/pull/921 [13:06:18] [3/3] since ur using gh pages for the static site see https://docs.github.com/en/pages/configuring-a-custom-domain-for-your-github-pages-site/managing-a-custom-domain-for-your-github-pages-site on how to link custom domain with gh pages [13:06:28] yes its working again [13:06:37] Tell them to switch it back then /s [13:07:30] yeah my wiki seems to work and so does meta [13:07:33] I guess they did [13:08:49] now do i ping someone in tech team or no [13:09:05] ping for what [13:09:10] its back up [13:09:17] they'll know its ok [13:09:28] oky [13:10:59] BACK UP!?!?!? [13:11:05] yes [13:12:12] aiiiight [13:13:14] 🤯 [13:16:38] [1/2] yes nothing happened in the past hour [13:16:39] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1526578170822660106/image.png?ex=6a578836&is=6a5636b6&hm=d1165e6f6a5ce6d013b8c349f3e9a10b7ed206ad966e55e6831ad17a97cae4b9& [13:21:17] its been ten mins and they havent said anything, should i now? [13:24:26] I updated the old announcement but might be worth it to send a new one [13:24:27] oh hi petra sorry if that came across as rude [13:24:49] It's all good. I'm very tired rn. Will leave it to another tech to decide. [13:35:47] Good morning everybody 🙂 [13:41:57] Gm y'all [13:42:16] Even though it's night time for me [13:44:14] Eeeeerm gonna leave this to tech and friends because I’m not super sure the process on this and don’t want to render the wiki completely borked [13:47:10] this implies wikipedia isn't one of the good wikis [13:47:30] if you only include latest xml revision it wouldn't be 50tb [13:48:15] More like Wikipedia is so good and in-depth that it deserves its own USB [13:52:29] [1/4] iirc it's: [13:52:29] [2/4] - remove redirects from ssl repo [13:52:30] [3/4] - remove custom domain from managewiki [13:52:30] [4/4] - remove from cloudflare (?) [13:55:00] yeah i'm p sure thats correct [13:55:13] petrus did this for me earlier today. also can someone remove slowmode [13:56:32] how about slowmode gets removed for everyone but splatched [13:57:03] wow thats mean [13:57:15] im crying and raging with tears and anger [14:11:30] yeah but having full history is nicer [14:27:34] oh yeah ur not tech [14:30:49] he is an assistant steward and is beta tech though [14:32:38] Yeah [14:38:42] that gives me a hell of an idea for a future obsession project [14:49:01] What if I remove the miraheze logo and the donate via CSS button? Is it possible to do this, and there will be nothing? [15:02:29] [1/2] Hey y'all, I'm extremely new to using Miraheze so I have a LOT of questions lmao [15:02:29] [2/2] First off, how do I make my wiki so that only people I add can edit stuff on the wiki? And also, how do I do this? [15:04:35] [1/2] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Private_wikis [15:04:35]