[00:01:50] Wow. I don't know what to do with that. After 48 hours it doesn't appear for me if I am logged out. But, if I use CSS it does appear. [00:52:38] Hah. I finally see it when logged out. Without debug=2 now, on pages other than main, it shows an old image that I was using earlier. [00:53:33] So, I guess I'll ditch the CSS if all the pages start working within 24 hours [01:06:37] so what did I miss [01:10:46] If that is directed at me. Setting a logo in vector 2022 didn't cause it to appear for logged out users after 48 hours. So, I made CSS to do the same. Then someone suggested I use debug=2. Disabling the CSS, reenabling the logo, then refreshing made the logo appear after maybe 20 minutes. Not without debug=2, it's appearing on most pages. [01:17:49] Yeah, that's an indication that it was cache [01:19:23] So, does debug=2 prime the cache? [01:31:40] yeah, it bypasses cache temporarily on your end. so if something works after checking `?debug=2`, it means it's cache [01:32:25] but, does it fill the cache? [01:32:58] or reduce the time it takes for the caches to fill? [01:33:28] no, it just let's you look at the page without cache. it's just a debugging tool, as the name implies [03:53:51] Images are all broken (for the most part) [03:54:13] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527161406615719977/Screenshot_2026-07-15_at_21-54-03_File_list_-_The_Power_Fantasy_Wiki.png?ex=6a59a764&is=6a5855e4&hm=8dde599051f6baa6e86e608019799571a8f158151d3ea86dd119fc7867cb3f44& [03:58:41] is there a way to embed youtube videos within the gallery tag? it's possible on fandom but im not sure if its possible on miraheze [05:16:10] Use [[mw:Extension:EmbedVideo_(fork)]] [05:16:15]

[07:12:07] Greetings, I am trying to build a custom political infobox on my wiki (https://usag.miraheze.org) for a page named Andy Beshear. I want it to look exactly like Wikipedia's infoboxes with multiple office slots and bright blue-lavender (#e6e6ff) header bars. However, every time I edit the page or update the template code, the visual display stays [07:12:07] completely stuck and won't update, even after purging the page cache and doing a hard refresh. I can’t add anything to the Infobox, it just stays the same, I can’t even add other Offices to the Infobox because it messes up the Code. I also can’t at the Infobox Header on top to get in the Box. If you look at the Source Code, there’s more [07:12:08] stuff intended to be put on the Infobox, but it not showing Could an admin check if my wiki's CSS styles are loading correctly or if there is a stubborn server cache lock? I’m learning how to Run a Wiki. Thank you. [08:42:03] How are miraheze pages and other concepts mapped to files? Like, the docs are for mediawiki and assume that you have access to mediawiki wiki files which is not the case in miraheze. [09:18:04] via ManageWiki, if you're asking about extensions and changing extension settings [09:18:51] actual formatting and such otherwise works the same [09:29:40] but those are settings and backups, but if i want to style the wiki with custom css, i need to add a file [09:29:47] no? [09:29:53] i believe youve been answered on this already [09:30:05] you put the css in the page mediawiki:common.css [09:30:36] so i create new article with name mediawiki:common.css? [09:31:42] Yes [09:32:36] ok, i hope it wont get harder to do basic webdev there from now on [09:34:35] it wont dw [09:59:53] stylesheet doesnt want to update for some reason, can mediawiki refuse to update css if there are warnings present? [10:03:18] [1/2] Chat, I tried Cosmos skin and some css and variables of colors, it works great except the sub-titles, like "История" here which are completely black. Any way to fix it? [10:03:18] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527254290689953852/Screenshot_2026-07-16-09-29-25-840.png?ex=6a59fde5&is=6a58ac65&hm=c3505f6cbdda4db092d8ba50fb732b423cc4ec87ac79c2f9d6ebe1bb12415bd8& [10:04:04] are you using common.css to style this? [10:05:38] bc if you hover over the header or subtitle and use inspect element, you will get html DOM view and style tab, where it shows what are current css styles on this element and where do they come from [10:08:21] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527255562348138566/image.png?ex=6a59ff15&is=6a58ad95&hm=bd673200c4cfd4d16019cb1f9423d8b13bd9a2f38478584ee4d19f36cbf89809& [11:18:46] Do you mean it refuses to save or it refuses to display? If it's the latter, it's just cache. [11:19:49] refuses to 'save', like it tells me changes were saved but hitting shitf+f5 dont change styles on reload [11:26:11] <90gq29> [1/2] how do i change htis text [11:26:12] <90gq29> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527275151388053576/wffjqts.png?ex=6a5a1153&is=6a58bfd3&hm=74738003ac8765a8de2f426db221176a423efe7361dc3d94b279fd004a49c0b3& [11:27:06] It's most likely server-side cache. Common.css cache is also infamously slow. If the page saved, it means the style saved. Try adding `?debug=2` to the url, if the changes show up, then it's definitely cache. [11:29:16] Most recommend using your own user common.css to check changes (or an extension like Stylus) before MediaWiki:Common.css for this reason. [11:30:51] Special:ManageWiki/settings -> Editing -> Content Licenses, I think? [11:32:39] ok, also idk if my internet's just slow, online games seem to work fine but when i reloaded the site to check if styles have been applied, they layout broke entirely and switching back only seem to change colors [11:34:43] Could just be a server hiccup. [11:35:45] Anyway, I have no idea what code you wrote in Common.css, but if it isn't showing up, either errors are preventing it from doing so, or it's cache. (If it still doesn't show up with `?debug=2`, then it's most likely the former.) [11:36:12] I'd recommend just doing testing with your user css first instead, e.g. User:[Username]/Common.css [11:36:25] Since that isn't affected by cache delays [11:38:06] ok, ill wait for it to fix and try stylus then [11:38:14] thank you for help [11:51:15] is there any downsides to using EmbedVideo for audio playback compared with timed audio handler and {{audio}} template? besides having no pausing when playing multiple tracks. [11:51:15]

[12:10:10] TMH transcodes the audio for better compatibility when the codec is not supported by some browsers. [12:32:33] EmbedVideo uses a native HTML5 audio player [12:58:32] Would anyone be able to recommend a good entry-level CSS guide? I'm familiar with other coding languages (most notably R and Java) but haven't touched HTML in years and never looked at CSS when I did. [13:12:23] I learned CSS through https://www.w3schools.com/css/default.asp many years ago. [13:13:25] Thanks, appreciated. [13:40:22] honestly I don't think I ever did a CSS guide, I just messed around with inspect element and copied CSS from other wikis until it was burned into my brain [13:49:24] [1/2] Might be helpful too: [13:49:24] [2/2] https://river.me/blog/dev-tools/ [13:54:13] I'm trying to teach myself to be able to learn without doing that. [13:54:19] Thanks! [14:11:53] if tech team is available, can you guys handle this request [14:14:43] As I recall, that request was also made in this channel in english. Although I may be mistaken. [14:15:14] Ye. https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/407537962553966603/1526159129058607205 [14:16:25] told em to wait, hopefully they'll understand they'll need some patience [14:16:59] Petra told them to wait then as well, but hopefully. [14:17:45] it'd be nice if miraheze had more manpower to deal with these cases, but sadly it didn't happen here [14:19:14] If I remember correctly it's an extension security review thing, and from all I know about those they're both difficult and time consuming. So it's the thing of needing more people but also new people needing to be actually able to do it, which makes them difficult to find. [14:19:27] But any or all parts of that could be wrong if I've misremembered stuff. [14:20:21] is it me or does miraheze fail to load its own stylesheet today? [14:21:05] like, it is broken for account page (not on wiki) too [14:21:32] CSS isn't loaded on login pages for security reasons, no? [14:25:46] yea [14:27:20] i mean the default one [14:27:42] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527320830881693697/Screenshot-737.png?ex=6a5a3bde&is=6a58ea5e&hm=425becf9912bed986ed1dfe3abb5e43c9c23d92265b05299483f444ff5d99c85& [14:27:55] Huh [14:27:56] oh wait [14:27:59] Maybe reload? [14:28:26] i did and with shift+f5 [14:28:45] now i realised its under exurbia.miraheze.org instead of miraheze.org [14:29:13] tho removing exurbia. from url doesnt load page [14:30:37] Normally when I have styling not loading it's because the connection is struggling. [14:30:37] the css server cache should have reloaded atp [14:31:00] but i were playing games online at that time so it cannot be that [14:31:02] twitter is 20 years old today and its been 40% botched [14:31:19] More than that, I reckon. [14:31:24] meta.miraheze.org loads correctly [15:20:29] has anybody made an MLA 9th edition citation template, or am i gonna have to edit an existing template to make future citations easier for myself? [16:20:36] [1/3] I have a problem - I want to make a knowledge base, there shouldn't be people viewing pages like Special:AllPages, Special:listFiles, there's not something like a blacklist that pages can only be viewed by specific people, you can make the wiki private, but there's a problem: I can't upload images because people won't be able to view them (private wiki links to images are somet [16:20:37] [2/3] hing like this: Х.miraheze.org/w/img_auth.php/Х/ХХ/Х and for a regular Wiki - https:/static.wikitide.net/Хwiki/Х/ХХ/Х ) and on a private The wiki does not allow access to view files via a direct link, they cannot be added to the whitelist of pages, so is there any way to fix this? Or is it possible to create a separate Wiki where only the images will be uploaded? Or at least ho [16:20:37] [3/3] w to include HTML code to download images from another hosting? commons.miraheze.I tell you right away, it doesn't fit [16:21:10] What are you trying to do though [16:21:45] What? How do I do what I specified? [16:22:13] What's the end goal for this though. Why don't you just want to set it back to public [16:23:13] This will be a knowledge base, not a wiki, there should not be people reading service pages, a list of pages and a list of all files, of course, except for the admin. [16:23:37] Help [16:23:48] 🙏 [16:24:04] As a knowledge base why wont you just set everything public? I don't really understand why you want to gatekeep pages but not files [16:24:16] I don't think theres a solution for what you're trying to do [16:24:59] I have to admit, I fail to see what practical purpose is served by restricting Special pages. [16:25:35] Well, I don't just want the list of all files and pages to be publicly available, there won't be many pages and files there only for specific groups of people, such as guides, I don't want them to be publicly available. [16:26:13] Why does it matter if people can see Special:FileList, for example? [16:26:34] I just need anonymous people and just ordinary users not to have access to these pages, that's it. I just asked if it was possible. [16:26:56] Unfortunately no then [16:27:04] It is necessary, you will not understand [16:27:17] Not if you don't explain, no. [16:27:28] Well, is it possible somehow? Well, definitely not? [16:28:57] I want anonymous and ordinary users not to have access to specific pages, such as files, etc., there will be information for specific people, not for everyone, everything [16:29:42] <_arawynn> [1/2] MediaWiki is not made for that kind of access control. [16:29:43] <_arawynn> [2/2] Maybe a forum would be more suitable? [16:31:01] Okay, how do I insert the HTML code? For the image? And is a Wiki suitable for a knowledge base? The usual knowledge base where everything is available, so be it? [16:33:02] A wiki on Miraheze is suitable for a knowledge base, yes, since its MediaWiki which runs Wikipedia, but with what you're trying to implement here is not [16:34:23] And how to insert HTML on a page, for example, for an image? [16:35:21] <_arawynn> you need to upload an image as file, you can't link to images for them to display on your wiki [16:35:29] You can't really insert raw HTML since MediaWiki has wikitext and sanitises stuff [16:36:21] Is it impossible to download from another wiki or hosting? Files [16:36:59] i've downloaded images from other wikis before >.> [16:38:23] No due to Miraheze's CORS CSP [16:39:40] say what?~ [16:40:16] so, like, i shouldn't upload images taken from other wikis? ever? would we have to just link to them instead? [16:41:13] <_arawynn, replying to questioningespecialy> [1/2] for the uploading, you need to keep Copyright in mind. [16:41:13] <_arawynn, replying to questioningespecialy> [2/2] Linking images to have them displayed doesn't work on Miraheze due to settings [16:43:18] as in, using another service to host images and then pulling those images on the wiki, rather than directly uploading images to the wiki [16:49:22] [1/2] good news: i misremembered [16:49:22] [2/2] bad news?: it was from a cbr article :x [16:51:11] Comic book resource? [16:52:11] I would say even beyond copyright it might be a little “risky.” The fandom MegaTen wiki for example has a lot of fan images by accident because their users source many artwork from other wikis [17:30:34] edit mediawiki:copyright-footer [17:31:44] [1/2] seems working to me. not sure if it's due to some extension [17:31:44] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527367141215440896/image.png?ex=6a5a66ff&is=6a59157f&hm=f8c967d81da6f87ddbb4efa5b5398804480f07632a7bbbee04584b2577596cd9& [17:32:37] <_arawynn> quite likely because that picture is from Commons [17:32:43] [1/2] Hello. I’m am a Fandom wiki admin considering switching to Mirahaze. My wiki, Cluepedia, is focused on the myster board game Clue and its franchise. I’m curious wiki one of these choice would be most appropriate [17:32:43] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527367388763525201/IMG_9237.png?ex=6a5a673a&is=6a5915ba&hm=37b19c7533e062c6f8769981ea6bdff993a8f6787fcb4c5f94ae950c0fa79232& [17:33:09] Clue is primarily a board game series [17:33:29] no. now i'm quite sure it's bc we have $wgAllowExternalImages on in managewiki [17:33:29] <_arawynn> I would suggest Encyclopaedia specialised [17:33:40] Thanks! [17:34:18] it does so for all images assumed to be images: if an image url is blocked by csp, it displays a broken image element [17:49:26] is it possible for the images to be uploaded to another wiki, not from where they are uploaded, but to another one? [17:51:42] <_arawynn> Potentially, but I don't know if you can access them from a different Wiki and it's extremely unlikely that you'll get a Wiki approved that's supposed to just hold images [17:58:02] by definition, a wiki for the purpose of hosting files is a file host wiki and out of scope for miraheze hosting [17:58:23] I have gathered that whitelisting files should make them publicly available so if that's not doing it then I'm not sure what's up [17:58:52] a possible use case would be miraheze commons which is in a bit of an existential bind but for that kind of purpose maybe it would be appealing [18:36:34] how long it takes to miraheze accept the request? [18:39:28] would Wikipedia Commons suffice for that, though? [18:43:03] <_arawynn, replying to eurekav> [1/3] it can be within a couple seconds if the AI approves it right after submitting. [18:43:03] <_arawynn, replying to eurekav> [2/3] Otherwise, it's about 2 to 3 days because it gets passed to human volunteers. [18:43:03] <_arawynn, replying to eurekav> [3/3] If it's the second case, the AI will have mentioned what information is needed for the request to be evaluated, you should answer that so in best case whoever reviews your request can read through it and then approve [19:01:27] thank u [19:07:51] it could, particularly if licensing stuff is in order [19:07:59] I don't think there are any scope limitations in the way [19:15:50] [1/6] Heya you lot [19:15:51] [2/6] I'm having some fun as one of my users just doesn't have a edit button on the wiki [19:15:51] [3/6] Not entirely sure what could be causing this as I've allowed them past any filters, no mod enforcement on record and we've tried clearing cache and on a different browser [19:15:51] [4/6] Anyone dealt with this before? xx [19:15:52] [5/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527393341853929592/IMG_3800.png?ex=6a5a7f66&is=6a592de6&hm=d4cfaef45eba92cac3821081188d2ad18c1884919f9a5f2dc674afaa60d9e425& [19:15:52] [6/6] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527393342328016996/Screenshot_2026-07-12_at_21.49.45.png?ex=6a5a7f66&is=6a592de6&hm=e8b831927b4df2c6c78c2ea37f936038df9abb28140014d8be3c930428872f52& [19:16:14] Wikimedia might delete files they don't consider properly educational. The case of that is quite vague -- there were some skateboarding related images I was using as reference that got deleted for that reason for example. [19:17:08] Oh I also tried providing a direct ?veaction=edit and that didn't work haha [19:17:10] Check if the articles are locked and what user groups the people reporting the issue are in would be my advice. [19:17:49] No blocks on the pages and user is allowed past any mod filters as I mentioned ^^ [19:18:36] Ah my bad. Then I'm guessing they're also logged in and everything. I don't have much of an idea in that case. [19:18:43] Yep haha [19:27:23] Is the wiki open to anon editing? If so, has the user tried to see if the Edit button will show up in incognito mode? [19:28:12] Just as a test to see if the issue is with their setup or their account. [19:33:37] Does anyone know how to properly import [[mw:Extension:Translate]] pages? [19:33:38]

[19:55:50] how do i add subpages? [19:58:46] Add a slash `/` after the upper page's title [20:38:34] your wiki requires accounts to have email confirmation, does this user have a confirmed email? [20:39:04] if not, could you ask them to screenshot what shows up when they press "View Source" [21:50:37] <.labster> I'd like to apologize to our job runners for my actions today [21:51:09] <.labster> specifically mistakes on widely used templates [21:53:07] what did you do [21:57:10] <.labster> Forgot to include a tracking category... then after saving, realized I typoed the tracking category [21:58:18] <.labster> Back in the day when I edited these templates, I had to make sure to deploy at low use times of day, because it did slow the whole farm down. [22:03:44] majority of today's jobs was cirrussearch, iirc editing templates just does refreshlinks but I could be completely wrong about that [22:04:17] but it's about 1/1000 of what @justanotherdarkmodeuser did when editing his GUP [22:07:05] the earth will quake if I edit my gup again then [22:11:53] now edit na's gup [22:12:14] both [22:14:32] <.labster, replying to thewwrnerdguy> Yes, but 300k refreshlinks is a bit of work [22:15:12] <.labster> In theory it should affect cirrussearch indexes because I also changed the template to be nonsearchable [22:15:38] nah it didn't get to 300k [22:15:57] <.labster> Yeah, didn't do all the templates at once. [22:29:18] <90gq29> [1/2] does miraheze not use responsive images for the footer icon? [22:29:18] <90gq29> [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1527442028697485453/d3dwq16.png?ex=6a5aacbe&is=6a595b3e&hm=11e784b39eacb703cefaf2921ad48ac9fd172e7f542fab1a91f57e28b59f7a37& [22:33:40] Anyone else's wiki had a huge uptick in visits lately? According to the analytics, the past few days it has gotten >800 views when it normally averages about 300. It wouldn't be much cause of concern, except that a lot of them seem to go to the Create account and Log in pages as well as modules, logs, categories, and other such pages rather than [22:33:40] normal articles [22:35:10] Which wiki is this? [22:35:20] https://fromsoftwiki.org/wiki/Main_Page [22:36:31] [1/2] Lemme look it up. It could be scraper bots, though they usually drive up traffic more. [22:36:32] [2/2] Check Google Search Console/Bing Webmaster Tools if you have an account with them to see if they increased your search ranking. [22:37:21] It's scraper bots. [22:39:13] You can verify that yourself by looking at the distribution of OS type/device type. Normally traffic is split 50/50 between mobile and desktop, and there should be a mix of Windows, Android, and IOS devices at the top. If more than 90% of users are from Windows it's probably bots. [22:39:25] Yeah they seem mostly Windows 11-based [22:40:12] Same goes for browsers. 90%+ Chrome would not be right. [22:41:01] It's been an issue for a while but it's a game of whack-a-mole and we don't have anyone who can constantly monitor bot activity and react to it unfortunately. [22:41:30] unfortunately hit counters and traffic measure don't really work on the internet anymore [22:41:42] you can guess per above but it will only get harder [22:42:29] [1/2] https://communities.miraheze.org/wiki/List_of_wikis_by_Matomo_statistics [22:42:30] [2/2] E.g. any wiki with a 1:1 ratio of visits to page views is likely overwhelmed by bots. [22:43:07] Hm, so nothing we can do about it atm? I'm mostly concerned about the impact it may have on servers and such when they load these pages. Another wiki I'm on had issues like this (non-Miraheze) and it had quite a bit of server impact [22:47:03] The bots did cause a few brief outages but we’ve tightened our filtering rules which made the situation a little bit better. [22:47:22] You might be interested in giving https://weirdgloop.org/blog/clankers a read [22:49:18] from your part, there's not much [22:51:07] Oh yeah I've been linked that before by someone from the other wiki, definitely interesting [22:52:32] Thank you for the answers [22:53:19] I don't understand why communitieswiki is a separate wiki. I don't feel it's large enough to warrant a separate wiki. Probably could discuss a merge in with Meta tbqh [22:55:08] @dmehus it has a completely different scope to meta [22:57:09] That's true, I guess. I was just thinking it's more like an expanded version of the Gazzeteer of wikis, and wondered whether or not it could exist within its own namespace on Meta, perhaps [22:58:09] Not a big deal either way. It's just when we move content off of Meta, it will not have as great of visibility [22:59:12] plus also you'd have to deal with wikibase and all the templates and stuff if you moved it to meta; visibility doesn't really matter that much tbh [22:59:19] good point [22:59:22] communities has distinct architectural differences/extension use that would be quite messy to bundle into meta, and I think it is well rounded enough for what it is to deserve its space [22:59:27] we don't necessarily want Wikibase on Meta [22:59:31]