[00:00:48] Happy 11th Birthday Miraheze! [00:00:49] https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Miraheze-11-year [00:09:31] happy birthday :) [00:09:56] πŸŽ‰ πŸ₯³ [00:31:46] Is there any update to the Maps extension? It's been 55 days already. We were in the middle of the process of adding an extensive set of maps to our wiki only to have all work halted and all existing maps turned into blocks of ugly garbled code. What's going on with this and why is it taking so long? [00:51:18] Happy birthday Miraheze! What a great message coming from the anniversary page. It's so amazing that despite of everything, the corporate Internet landscape looking how it looks like, Miraheze is still chugging along thanks to effort by so many wonderful volunteers and donors. [00:53:29] In some way, Miraheze is an institution like a public library. And I really hold a lot of respect and love for public libraries :) [00:55:24] Happy Birthday, Miraheze! I'm glad and excited to start being a part of the community today! A lot of learning ahead, and I'm in love with it already. [00:55:31] [1/2] i usually check first [00:55:32] [2/2] lately, the dev wiki has failed me πŸ€·πŸΏβ€β™‚οΈ [00:56:08] <.labster, replying to gb92> No, no update. My wiki needs it too. Basically, the volunteer who wants the security review hasn't had time to do the review. [00:56:44] What's even the security vulnerability? What sort of vulnerability exists with a map where there is zero user input aside from scrolling and zooming? [00:56:47] <.labster, replying to questioningespecialy> Can you say which templates you need in the devwiki? Some volunteers, including myself, have ported some over for people. [00:58:43] <.labster, replying to gb92> Potentially the same as the normal set: XSS, SQLI, DoS. Just because something doesn't look interactive doesn't mean it isn't. For instance, XSS can come from system messages or even map data. [00:59:35] I don't know what that means, I'm not a programmer [01:01:10] [1/2] i'll have to check [01:01:11] [2/2] other than the ones that i imported already, i don't recall at this point πŸ˜… [01:02:36] <.labster, replying to gb92> [1/2] Basically every new functionality we add needs to be reviewed to make sure it doesn't access data it doesn't need to (in your browser or in our database). Sometimes extensions have major updates, and like almost all companies in the world we don't really do security audits at every single update of every piece of software we depend on. Since Maps is one that has [01:02:37] <.labster, replying to gb92> [2/2] had some major changes, we need to do a close look at its code again. [01:04:39] Okay fair enough, but why was the course of action then to basically vandalize all pages that it was on by replacing the maps with blank garbled text. Couldn't you do something like replace it with a nice looking notice, "Maps has been temporarily disabled" or something? [01:07:01] <.labster, replying to gb92> That's a good idea. Have you suggested this before today? [01:07:37] No, I've just been waiting for the Maps to be fixed so we can resume work on our wiki. Before I discovered this Discord server even existed, all I had to go off of was the Tech noticeboard [01:08:22] <.labster> Yeah, I think T15445 is still private [01:09:14] <.labster> Honestly I thought Maps would get resolved sooner than this as well. [01:11:22] <.labster> This was the original bug that triggered it: https://github.com/ProfessionalWiki/Maps/security/advisories/GHSA-4h7g-5542-v3fc [01:13:36] that particular issue is resolved but we haven't had anyone with the skills and time to give the extension a proper review [01:14:28] Hello skye is it ok if i dm you a question [01:15:10] @throwaws22 please refrain from sending DMs to random people. You've dm'd numerous people unsolicited. [01:15:43] im just trying to get help [01:16:03] so you can ask in the proper venue like everyone else, DMing random persons is not the way. [01:16:25] Ok can i dm you [01:16:36] No, support will not be provided via DM. [01:16:57] you may use onwiki resources or ask in this channel or #support. [01:17:42] Its pretty uncomfortable to publicly say hey my body and face is on your site and what can i do about it [01:17:59] Then you should email stewards[at]miraheze.org [01:18:43] Thats why i was dming because idk this stuff and i didnt know sending messages would be an issue, i dont use these platforms so sorryI [01:19:31] a good rule of thumb for the internet DMs are not to be used unless someone explicitly says its okay [01:20:44] <.labster, replying to throwaws22> Ask right here, or in #support [01:26:21] I guess my main question right now is how long it normally take after a support request to be dealt with but it seems there are other issues going on as well [01:28:03] It shouldnt take too long, just depends on when its seen. [02:04:58] is there a reason why dev:Template:Hatnote's import didn't replace the current (wikipedia) revision on thepowerfantasy? [02:06:21] i would delete any existing page before importing from another source [02:07:07] If I recall correctly, the most recent revision takes precedence [02:10:09] that's what usually happens πŸ€·πŸΏβ€β™‚οΈ [02:10:16] [1/2] does this suffice? [02:10:16] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529309573914165308/image.png?ex=6a617807&is=6a602687&hm=43cd8453ef60af5abc939e9335b622a963c5e2c575f103fee5444ee90b813f13& [02:10:45] I personally would just delete the existing page for the template you are importing [02:10:50] entirely [02:15:00] [1/2] wth is this in the Reason field?: [02:15:00] [2/2] > content was: "{{#invoke:Hatnote|hatnote}}/includeonly {{documentation}} /noinclude" [02:15:20] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529310850362376233/image.png?ex=6a617937&is=6a6027b7&hm=92e7bcd5c5c76f8e50d348c7f7bdcc46d72f14c3952a697a7ddaf0ebf2528bab& [02:17:33] I'm so pumped [02:17:59] you can put whatever or just leave it doesnt matter [03:12:19] should we scale images down before uploading? i don't know how much storage Miraheze actually has [03:19:48] <.labster, replying to questioningespecialy> We have space but not lots. Generally scale down things that aren't useful to users of your wiki. programs like jpegtran and zopflipng to shrink the size of your images by recompressing them are good too. [03:20:35] I also usually do that when uploading my images before uploading and to accommodate on loading times. Ain't no way I'm uploading a 7000x6000 sized image with over 30+ megabytes of a file. [03:26:02] I always try to downsize a bit too [03:27:34] Downsizing's always a good thing. [03:34:28] both of those github pages are set to Public Archive now 😐 [03:35:00] 😭 [03:37:47] <.labster> Another product in the Google Graveyard [03:38:09] <.labster> https://killedbygoogle.com/ [03:38:21] So many products in the graveyard. [03:46:40] Google reader, we hardly ever knew ya 😭 [03:47:08] Google Plus was fairly fine and it carried me through high school. Sad to see it go all those years ago. [03:50:18] [1/2] Google+ was pretty dope [03:50:19] [2/2] don't even remember why they ditched it [03:50:33] "okay, we got enough data. let's close it down." [03:50:56] I don't know why either. I used to interact with quite a few peeps on there. [03:51:51] Low adoption and high overhead [03:52:33] Google+ was actually pretty good, a lot more fun than other social media platforms. [03:53:05] Yep, just never reached the scale to make the cost make sense.πŸ₯² [03:56:53] Totally makes sense. [04:03:49] does replacing images save storage or just add more? [04:05:01] Old versions of images aren’t wiped from the servers [04:06:40] so delete it is then? [04:07:07] That’s my point, deletion doesn’t actually remove it from the server [04:07:58] oh~ [04:08:00] wtf? [04:08:09] why? [04:11:00] You can undelete images (and other page types) [04:11:01] so you can revert it if you messed up [04:11:11] like how text revisions can be reverted [04:14:11] ah [05:39:09] they killed nest protect and that pisses me off [05:39:18] they were the best smoke alarms you could get [05:39:49] next thing they will kill is probably the search engine [06:18:31] search engine generates tons of revenue, so probably not lol [06:22:34] They might kill off something extremely useful to 99% users using it for free but in the eye of google generate very little revenue, like google doc [07:35:25] [1/6] A question about best practices on organizing the wiki content coming from someone who's new to wikis. Shall I use namespaces or categories in a case when: [07:35:25] [2/6] Supposing there's a page that's strictly a guide about a specific concept of videogame modding, and there's a second page that covers one technical aspect of videogame engine. [07:35:25] [3/6] Within the best practices, should they be in separate namespaces? [07:35:26] [4/6] Personally, I assume I'd want to create a namespace Guides, and a namespace for technical aspects (of that specific kind), keeping all guides in Guides namespace and all technical aspects of that sort in a different namespace - I assume so because page can have only one namespace (I think?), and for example a Guide can only be a Guide, but have different categories with specify the [07:35:26] [5/6] topic of the guide. The structure of two example pages is expected to be completely different. [07:35:26] [6/6] Or is it best not to over-complicate with namespaces? [07:36:27] I mean, you could do that without namespaces at all if you used categories and subcategories. [07:36:36] But I don't know which option is better. [07:37:58] Not sure either, for now. Was thinking about it and decided it's best to ask the community [07:38:50] "You can categorize namespaces, but you can't namespace categorys" - Sun Tzu, The Art Of War [07:44:23] Namespaces can be categorized? Interesting. [07:45:08] I mean, like if you have a page in a custom namespace, like Guide:Guide1, that page can be categorized [07:45:18] Sure thing then, got it [07:46:33] [1/2] Namespaces provide an additional degree of separation, which may or may not be desirable. [07:46:33] [2/2] Take a look at `Special:ManageWiki/namespaces/0`. Those are the settings of main namespace. If you want fine-grained control over any of those settings (e.g. make main namespace searched by default but some other namespace not searched by default), then creating another namespace makes sense. [07:49:58] [1/2] Ok, then it's best for me to choose categories, as I can see namespaces have a layer of control settings defined and are more technical in that sense than categories. [07:49:58] [2/2] The pages in the example I provided, ideally should have the same settings as main namespace and probably will never require any specific controls. [08:55:30] Heyyy [09:31:40] happy decade old birthday to Miraheze!!!! [09:31:55] @smallam SAY IT [12:58:18] happy mh anniversary!!! [13:29:06] [1/2] hello gamers [13:29:06] [2/2] need some help with the css template [13:29:17] [1/5] ```html [13:29:17] [2/5]
[13:29:17] [3/5] wiki status: died [13:29:18] [4/5] /div [13:29:18] [5/5] ``` i have this rn [13:29:26] [1/7] ```html [13:29:26] [2/7] {{CSS|content= [13:29:26] [3/7] .mp-wikistatus::after { [13:29:27] [4/7] mask-image: var(--wiki-status-{{{color}}}-bg) [13:29:27] [5/7] } [13:29:27] [6/7] }} [13:29:28] [7/7] ``` and this [13:29:46] will this work if i do, lets say, `{{Test|color=green}}` [13:29:59] and then the `mask-image` adds `--wiki-status-green-bg` [13:38:06] im positive theres a better way to do this but i cannot think of it [13:40:08] :O [13:40:13] yeah even im thinking that this aint the way lmao [13:40:18] but idk any other way [13:40:19] [IMG_4840](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1459561218598502546.webp?size=48&name=IMG_4840&lossless=true) [13:40:25] yeah [13:40:35] if it works it works [13:40:47] im literally making test backgrounds rn to see if it works [13:40:48] LOL [13:40:55] LOL [13:41:03] -# ignore my name please [13:51:48] didnt work lmfao [13:52:25] yeah absolutely no clueeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee [13:52:37] what are you trying to do? [13:53:06] how do i even explain this [13:53:07] uh [13:53:19] changing border color, and background of a box [13:53:31] except the background is a mask-image stuffed in a ::after [13:53:56] why is the background a mask-image stuffed in an ::after [13:54:47] you should honestly ask stackd because he redid my wiki's main page css lol [13:54:55] so instead of full size backgrounds its just a pattern [13:55:55] @whostacking what gives [13:56:29] hes having a background layer and patterned texture layer [13:56:31] stackd spawns in [13:56:37] no shit i got pinged [13:56:43] hi stackd :3 [13:56:44] ::after is patterned texture and can be customised by changing background with ease [13:56:53] therefore the decision [13:58:02] ok i wont question ur magical ways [13:58:08] thank u [13:58:52] do u only have 3 things youll ever give it [13:59:00] green yellow red [13:59:06] for now yeah [13:59:18] the funny red green blue yellow [13:59:45] honestly it should if youre using the css template [14:00:04] [1/5] ```html [14:00:05] [2/5]
[14:00:05] [3/5] wiki status: died [14:00:05] [4/5] /div [14:00:06] [5/5] ``` [14:00:07] why not just do this [14:00:11] then create classes with what you need [14:00:14] is there no way you can just add ts in like, inline styles or smth [14:00:24] this is actually good wait 😭 [14:00:27] im dumb [14:00:29] lemme try this. [14:45:11] wait, so should we not import every previous revision of a page then? 😐 [14:45:43] it's required because of the CC-BY-SA license [14:46:35] the space text revisions take up is mostly negliglible anyway [14:56:37] i forget, what's the difference between and ? [14:56:58] syntaxhighlight highlights code [14:57:22] nowiki makes it so that formatting is stripped. instead of a blue link, it'll show the raw output which is `[[this]]` [14:59:15] [1/3] i'm making a FAQ page for thepowerfantasy, but just realized there might be an existing one i can use as a base [14:59:15] [2/3] anybody know of one? [14:59:16] [3/3] i'm currently working on the "citations" section [15:01:09] [1/2] is there anyway to make it not take over the entire line? [15:01:10] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529503573581365319/Screenshot_2026-07-22_at_09-00-43_Creating_FAQ_-_The_Power_Fantasy_Wiki.png?ex=6a622cb4&is=6a60db34&hm=d5cfcf973e2347c1c7b7ae70e10d94f1f8006b764ae2b24e8b96f05d27e655ad& [15:03:06] /code [15:03:14] you're have to nowiki it tho [15:03:32] otherwise, no, syntaxhighlighting is more for blocks of code than just a line of it [15:03:50] you could switch to using headings instead of a numbered list [15:05:02] happy 11th birthday miraheze [15:14:18] ayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyoooooooooooo happy birthday miraheze [15:26:29] `.../syntaxhighlight` [15:26:40] `inline` parameter exists [15:26:56] i didn't even know that, thanks! [15:31:30] is there a reason why we don't have [[wikipedia:Template:More citations needed]]? [15:31:41] [15:33:37] Hi [15:34:01] Hi [15:34:17] Hi [15:34:19] Hi [15:34:31] Hi [15:39:21] Hello, please don't spam [15:40:37] [1/2] I can delete my wiki account despite being its creator right? [15:40:37] [2/2] As long as there are other admins it shouldn't cause any demage? [15:41:47] you don't need other admins, although it would probably be better for the wiki to leave someone else in charge [15:42:09] but you could still delete your account without doing that [15:42:17] Yeah so for that they just need to have the "Administrator" role and nothing else right [15:43:06] There's also the "bureaucrat" role which allows you to promote new administrators [15:43:15] which is usually the one the person in charge has [15:44:10] Alright thanks a lot [15:45:00] administrator + bureaucrat is a proper minimum to hand off a project to somenoe else [15:58:55] what page are users supposed to go to when they have issues when another user? i failed to find it [16:00:18] or the wiki itself? [16:00:27] what kind of issues? like editing disputes? [16:00:36] that and "this person is rude" [16:02:01] are you the bureaucrat or administrator for the wiki? usually standards for that sort of thing are set by the community. [16:03:02] we have a page for general editing discussion and another one for admin issues, though generally if an editor has an issue with a specific edit made by another editor, they'd either post on the page in question's talk page or contact the other editor directly to discuss [16:04:39] we don't usually have any personal disagreements on-wiki... we've had a few in the discord but those are generally solved with admin mediation. [16:05:55] I'm both. [16:06:20] so i should create a 'Talk' page for such things? [16:07:09] you can, sure, it's up to you [16:07:39] usually you'd specify what the preferred/suggested method of resolving conflict is in your wiki guidelines, if you think it'll come up often [16:31:09] [1/2] so~ Miraheze has reset my page creation for the second time now [16:31:09] [2/2] that is to say... da whole body was blank 😐 [16:31:32] i work out of txt files most of the time, so it's whatevs, but wtf [16:41:36] This is why I tend to make a lot of small edits [16:48:12] enable the Edit Recovery feature in Preferences to avoid this situation again [17:04:06] any clue why [[mediawiki:Help:Edit summary]] is treated like an internal link? [17:04:07] [17:05:19] i'm too thorough about every little change to put not put myself through the alternate hell of exceeding the 600 character limit πŸ˜… [17:07:17] this is why I tend to make any serious edits in a local text editor, on pretty much any platform given how many times in how many places this has burnt me [17:11:11] @questioningespecialy: my guess would be it's built into the DiscussionTools features to link to that MW help page unless overridden locally [17:13:41] it was the lack of 'mw' πŸ˜‘ [[mw:Help:Edit summary]] [17:13:42] [17:17:14] In my case my old pc would also blue screen every few hours and I didn’t have access to Google Docs or similar things [17:17:20] So it just became muscle memory [17:18:09] @questioningespecialy: ah, yeah, you meant for the wikilinks in IRC / Discord [17:19:35] oh no, i meant within my wiki itself [17:22:18] @questioningespecialy: ah! gotcha, that makes sense :) [17:43:32] is there a way to check/wait for tabber to load? [18:22:41] [1/7] Hey there, I'm mostly new to how wikis work. [18:22:42] [2/7] I'd like to automatically upload pages I edited in VS Code to the wiki I'm currently setting up. [18:22:42] [3/7] For that I need an OAuth2 token, which seems to be created from the meta wiki: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration [18:22:42] [4/7] But when I try to create a token there, I get a permission error telling me that I need to be confirmed or autoconfirmed (I am logged in) [18:22:43] [5/7] When looking into the autoconfirmed group it tells me that I should have 10 edits? I made at least 10 edits in my wiki (tough on less than 10 pages as I'm preparing stuff locally). [18:22:43] [6/7] How can I get the required access for creating the tokens? Should I try creating and changing more pages on my wiki or search for stuff to edit on the meta wiki? [18:22:43] [7/7] I tried looking for answers in the documentation but I didn't find a detailed explanation on how to get these tokens. [18:24:28] you need at least 10 edits on meta wiki, though i think you can ask for manual confirmation from a meta admin if you have a good reason [18:25:24] I feel like editing random pages just for the sake of it doesn't benefit anyone... So I should open some kind of support ticket? [18:26:24] hold up [18:26:33] it's miraheze's 11th anniversary? [18:26:53] yeah making a thread in #support is probably best for this, especially if you run into issues with the OAuth token afterwards too, it'd be helpful to consolidate those questions in one place [18:28:39] +1 to ^ [20:05:33] <.labster> Happy cake day, Miraheze! [20:08:54] Is it possible to remove files from the server, or are we stuck with our mistakes like an overbaked cake? 😐 [20:09:33] I wouldn’t worry too much about it. You are not breaking the servers by uploading one file that is a bit larger than it needs to be. [20:15:03] What @wikitideharej said. If we were worried about your disk space use, we'd reach out @questioningespecialy [20:18:31] @questioningespecialy your current usage is around 0.001% of our file storage [20:18:39] At very napkin math [20:19:09] suddenly my media files are not working? [20:19:23] (svgs at least) [20:20:02] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529583821089935430/image.png?ex=6a627771&is=6a6125f1&hm=2f1458f13ce809bdcbcdf653e3aa49845a0bd4cb5d3384d53616c42e1269c966& [20:20:18] I reload and nothing [20:20:32] miraheze-swift error when I upload something to my wiki [20:20:54] I haven't changed anything recently, only revised some footnote models yesterday [20:20:56] Getting a "An unknown error occurred in storage backend "miraheze-swift". error when trying to upload an image [20:21:03] x2 [20:21:06] Oh shit [20:21:23] We're looking [20:22:18] I imagine my problem is the same as @emicraftnoob and @jseiler_00500 's [20:22:27] everybody has that I think [20:22:44] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529584501817348116/image.png?ex=6a627813&is=6a612693&hm=25d31c481170dba22c402474786c85bec57dcc1d3f74c0b66c8faf2b7e845e0b& [20:23:08] Hopefully fixed [20:23:44] Working again now [20:24:01] yay [20:24:26] I find funny when we all gather up to report a bug that gets fixed in 10 seconds lol [20:25:41] even if it's some minor error it's good there's a record i suppose [20:26:01] Sometimes we only notice if you tell us [20:26:12] I missed the ping saying it went down [22:15:05] @darkfawfulguy64 it's your twin [22:37:04] we like lucario ig [22:41:17] Happy birthday Miraheze!!!! :Partyheze: :MirahezeStewards: :transheze: :pupCoffeeMH: :bombasticsideeye: [22:46:33] :miraheze: :Partyheze: :MirahezeStewards: :mirapride: :biheze: :transheze: :MirahezeCommons: :Miragloop: :DevMH: :Nutheze: :InterwikiMH: :Orain: :OrainO: :WikiTide: [22:55:45] I like Miraheze ig [22:56:15] Fuck Fandom 😝πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ [22:57:33] RIP bucketheze hello miragloop [23:16:07] merry christmas [23:16:09] :irl_festivity: [23:18:53] πŸŽ„ [23:34:13] Huh? [23:38:39] [1/2] this [23:38:40] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529633807869808792/image.png?ex=6a62a5ff&is=6a61547f&hm=54b723ad51c70da4456c5fc9cd90cf6001577877b7505ffecf2c43ae0f02b84e& [23:44:12] Almost identical pfps :gigglexd: [23:46:44] I still think the colors on the Miragloop logo are backwards. You want the bucket to contain the gloop. You do not want the gloop to engulf the bucket. [23:47:07] Yeah, but his pfp is a little bit different, despite it being from the very same screenshot. [23:48:47] I don't want to turn this into a big deal in terms of similar profile pictures as there are going to be situations where people might use similar pfps out of a mere coincidence. [23:49:27] classic [23:49:43] the gloop is engulfing the miraheze [23:49:59] why do I keep mistyping engulfing [23:50:11] I misspelled it twice when writing that complaint [23:51:22] I'm aware it's slightly different but I usually identify people by their pfp and I have to do a double take when Emi talks lmao [23:52:23] I'm really annoyed because [23:52:31] [1/2] I made these cool ass calculator tables for guns [23:52:31] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529637295878180884/image.png?ex=6a62a93e&is=6a6157be&hm=498cafa67c049efed1e5bd356fef536ac4a26f31275bfbb631fe8e87dcf3782b& [23:52:35] and while they work great on PC [23:52:56] fandom engineers have brain damage and, in making the mobile skin strip literally fucking everything, also made it strip community JS so these literally cannot work on mobile [23:53:15] thank you fandom I love you [23:53:52] let's kiss twin πŸ”₯πŸ”₯ [23:54:10] https://tenor.com/view/fandom-wiki-pc-computer-lag-gif-5842223854011027446 [23:54:19] https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-ultimate-custom-night-fandom-adblocker-scaruluar-gif-8723645975549106271 [23:54:24] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529637772174954608/20260722_174229.jpg?ex=6a62a9b0&is=6a615830&hm=3c32bee90158030b61a24f21d5162973957071ed35143fd46ce2d406ee8026cb& [23:54:48] This is literally 1984 [23:54:59] there is genuinely no benefit to preventing wiki JS from loading after it already goes through a long review process [23:55:21] I guess it'd make the site load slightly faster, but it comes with completely breaking any JS features which really does not seem like a good tradeoff [23:55:28] fandom [23:55:38] listen there's the usual fandom brain damage [23:55:42] and then there's whatever the fuck they were doing here [23:55:58] that is a completely different level of moronic decisions [23:56:39] https://tenor.com/view/god-bless-miraheze-god-bless-miraheze-fandom-wiki-gif-14903733252958843574 [23:57:05] I think fandom have been pretty consistent with quality of their decisions [23:57:47] [1/2] God bless Miraheze [23:57:48] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1529638623467671623/images408.jpg?ex=6a62aa7b&is=6a6158fb&hm=0328d49ab4feacaed9d1d3daeccc65ede97feaf8595e368feb60f2f76915ba06& [23:58:06] hey it's another win for when I move the wiki here, old wiki won't have functioning stat tables on mobile and they'll only be usable on the new one [23:58:12] so can't complain too much