[01:36:38] [1/2] Infoboxes aren't going well for me for whatever reason. [01:36:38] [2/2] might just stick with tables [01:44:37] What are the issues? [02:25:04] hey anyone wanna check my wiki out to see if there’s anything else i can add? [02:25:37] https://uvc.miraheze.org for anyone who wants to see [02:48:51] is there a way to lock page editing to people who i manually add perms to [02:54:27] [[Help:How to manage who can edit my wiki]] [02:54:28] [03:49:40] [1/2] could someone help me figure out why infobox or infobox person dont [03:49:41] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530421755871625400/image.png?ex=6a6583d4&is=6a643254&hm=e4ff19f36785727243750d550fe808984c0eefe9a7c7854f1b12db547f8d4424& [03:53:38] Did you import from Wikipedia? [03:54:25] no, i havent made a wiki b4 so idk what im doin lol [03:56:11] Can you link to the templates then? [03:56:39] idk how to do that [03:57:02] Can you link to the wiki then? [03:57:06] Any fixes if possible? [03:57:13] Or is it a Miraheze issue? [03:57:38] https://longlivethecall.wiki [03:57:53] The template works fine after editing a page, but in visual editing, it doesn't work [03:58:09] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530423886317883474/image.png?ex=6a6585d0&is=6a643450&hm=eb5f3c6ac929cf453a92fab3059e075cce238bd27dc462381706575d691283e1& [03:58:25] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530423954756337807/image.png?ex=6a6585e0&is=6a643460&hm=56e4822aa54498dc26df41ba05e3cfa681c5917d51316714023f914226a4900c& [03:59:15] You can still edit the parameters, but it doesn't display while editing [03:59:48] [1/3] Okay it seems like you didn’t make a template yet. Here’s a basic list of infoboxes you can import from dev wiki. [03:59:48] [2/3] https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Infobox_templates [03:59:49] [3/3] this one has some CSS instructions too https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox [04:00:22] ill check it out [04:04:10] This is a known issue inherent to visual editor. [04:04:18] Oh [04:40:59] i ain't used a wiki's visual editor in ~years, so it's interesting to see [04:44:57] I stopped using it around 2015 and never looked back [04:49:24] I haven't used it in a while [04:49:32] Messed up my layouts [06:31:28] I looked it up and it said it doesn't forward [06:31:55] both wikt: and wiktionary: [06:32:17] how should I fix that? [06:33:37] should I js add a local interwiki [07:05:04] ya [07:05:15] oh look [07:05:18] its splatch [07:05:22] or stackd [07:05:29] I cant remember which came first [07:17:17] how do i look for commentstreams comments? [07:17:29] is there a commentstreams page? [07:18:02] i was using the global feed to search for commentstreams comments for research purposes [08:41:41] any updates on this? it's been 48 hours since I first set the cname [08:42:04] honestly I'm not sure if I did it right lol [09:18:42] Hey Can i ask a question [09:18:54] yes just ask [09:19:33] Can you have more than one media setting [09:19:51] equipped or on [09:20:04] like the media extensions? [09:20:10] Yeah [09:20:14] yes [09:20:48] Im currently trying to decide with my team Which one to use and this will be very helpful ♥️ [10:32:13] btw it's much easier to type out the shortcut [[help:permissions]] [10:32:14] [10:32:51] https://nohello.net [11:01:15] Oh [11:01:20] Im sorry 😔 [11:03:36] dw, everyone makes mistakes [11:15:13] who the fuck made this entire website [11:24:53] [1/3] im really confused why does this gap happen😭 [11:24:54] [2/3] im sorry if this is a really fundamental question [11:24:54] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530536314414432376/image.png?ex=6a65ee85&is=6a649d05&hm=15ef15e5412b0bbf3a1a65117f0c70b0a89e1a2cf2219f3cf32af4656b2cc665& [11:26:29] [1/2] i used a template for the noun showcase and regular text for the definitions [11:26:29] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530536714253373440/image.png?ex=6a65eee4&is=6a649d64&hm=dbcfdf43ba56542ca9bdc7f33c34965d40df02db38726923dbe95bf048943404& [11:51:11] show your template code, you probably have linebreaks at the end [11:51:52] you can #verify to send links [12:08:37] nvm i fixed it! [12:08:40] yea youre right lmao [12:10:14] haha yeah i've had the same issue happen with my templates before [14:23:30] it's not displaying whenever I format it. I used the visual builder. [14:40:02] [1/2] i did what the guide said and i tried the infobox, but i got this error [14:40:02] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530585421720064030/image.png?ex=6a661c41&is=6a64cac1&hm=c76fae6c2c9d4524d363de06edb53fcc2e990ae9b11707efeb058ebfbbbdd32b& [14:50:00] [1/2] Same error. I don't have experience with SquareSpace so I don't know if the config is right. [14:50:00] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530587931843235972/image.png?ex=6a661e97&is=6a64cd17&hm=8756e184700dbd7bf48bf9a74c133eed6ceccd112f6dd502f468a33565f9f736& [15:14:23] Module:Infobox don't exist because you haven't imported it [15:17:09] the link they gave didnt talk much abt modules, how do i do it, is it the same process as the template? https://dev.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:Infobox [15:17:56] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530594961521770546/image0.jpg?ex=6a662523&is=6a64d3a3&hm=8a9eaa05bb999b06881527d9bfb75e0463406d4ebf20e93df8edc8889f681bb5& [15:18:01] do read the yellow highlight if you're inexperienced with infoboxes [15:18:16] and yes importing is the same process [15:18:19] just change Template: to Module: [15:18:22] ah ok thx [15:23:55] [1/2] seems to be working now, just wondering why its just showing up as text and not with a box arounf it [15:23:55] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530596465989259284/image.png?ex=6a66268a&is=6a64d50a&hm=856e77b74ceda48da6a72e0d466dc39d1f145028696ed0e0f58e8a9492d85ad3& [15:24:48] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530596687406563399/image0.jpg?ex=6a6626bf&is=6a64d53f&hm=0b0f1e3a9304eb4096d4cc98affdadcd974696cfbe3a8515c443a3eb7b8fb0ef& [15:25:31] Gulpoh, so thats what that is, ok ill see if i can do it [15:41:42] [1/3] Who here has pretty-good knowledge around Bucket? [15:41:42] [2/3] Basically, the game whose wiki I work on has a bunch of skins. We've been mostly fine with them, I was just wondering if there would be any practical usage for Bucket to storing these skins? [15:41:43] [3/3] The only real benefits I see right now are: [15:42:23] [1/5] Who here has pretty-good knowledge around Bucket? [15:42:24] [2/5] Basically, the game whose wiki I work on has a bunch of skins. We've been mostly fine with them, I was just wondering if there would be any practical usage for Bucket to storing these skins? [15:42:24] [3/5] The only real benefits I see right now are: [15:42:24] [4/5] - The main skin navigation pages wouldn't need to be edited. [15:42:25] [5/5] - Skin sets (i.e. multiple skins revolving around the same theme) could be auto-generated rather than manually made. [16:15:40] all is going well, the boxes work, but im wondering if i can create custom parameters for infobox_person, like i want to have a parameter called "account_creation_date" [16:16:46] <_arawynn> you can do that by editing the template with the source editor [16:19:25] could u tell me how to do it or send me a guide how to do it? [16:25:57] <_arawynn> [1/4] I'd suggest go to the page of the template and open it with the Source editor. It's quite likely going to look similar to what's in the first picture. Add whatever you want to add wherever you want to add it and save the template. [16:25:57] <_arawynn> [2/4] Then you'll need to change the page that uses the template and edit that one to have the parameter displayed (similar to the second picture) [16:25:57] <_arawynn> [3/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530612077956435968/image.png?ex=6a663514&is=6a64e394&hm=9566079db3851cb649ea41e14fb17577484f0ece9f32eb781d6cc76b3adff9ca& [16:25:58] <_arawynn> [4/4] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530612078254096384/image.png?ex=6a663514&is=6a64e394&hm=198c712a448233adef7af3b81b7aaf046b5f65d92f8c27e2274778334a258c70& [16:36:08] [1/2] is there any specific way i'd go about moving the left sidebar (tools, appearance, etc) outside of the content foreground, similar to the main menu? apologies if the wording is a bit strange [16:36:08] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530614640810266705/image.png?ex=6a663777&is=6a64e5f7&hm=305f0063d646920fafe67064e3a96196b0f82e21648307eff281aad41b1a1810& [16:37:33] [1/2] is this right? [16:37:34] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530614999486173345/image.png?ex=6a6637cd&is=6a64e64d&hm=66de7a17ff89d4cd15c6851e77b5b098203473c0c3cc4237bc2aec6b8dd0cd3c& [16:38:17] @_arawynn [16:38:36] <_arawynn> I'd say give it a try [16:40:29] it didnt work, and after undoing it it is still broken [16:40:53] [1/2] what is goin on [16:40:53] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530615837990326342/image.png?ex=6a663895&is=6a64e715&hm=ca76b8d25c1a26ba74a7f77b117e65e0552d3c2fdf4da6a0b4fa0bb039ab7888& [16:43:06] can i delete it and reimport it??? [16:45:02] <_arawynn> [1/3] I'm not sure what's wrong with your Inbox, though the one I have that works looks like this on the Template page [16:45:02] <_arawynn> [2/3] However, it's very likely simpler than the one you use [16:45:03] <_arawynn> [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530616881998860328/image.png?ex=6a66398e&is=6a64e80e&hm=45e624583cdc395c6cf86fb1a49106b17ca9db902e45c311e4eda66ecd26763b& [16:45:33] [1/2] gulp [16:45:33] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530617012370280503/image.png?ex=6a6639ad&is=6a64e82d&hm=73cd67459ad7b6f09f02b65915da8fb3cf596bc2b00e3ef03d445ff57a96c334& [16:47:03] @_arawynn [16:47:15] Yes [16:47:39] [1/3] man timeless is a lot better when the rail is on one side only [16:47:39] [2/3] shame you can't customize the contents of page tools though (beyond just hiding stuff) [16:47:39] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530617538642313426/image.png?ex=6a663a2a&is=6a64e8aa&hm=b50d63522cb9a68045480eacae465386b23eef095b5358c4b8ddc2cc5e4b8cff& [16:48:28] i prefer it with two rails honestly but its all up to preference ! [16:48:35] I can see it but I think it just looks messier [16:49:06] [1/2] this right? [16:49:07] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530617905585197198/image.png?ex=6a663a82&is=6a64e902&hm=4be419a8dc820736147a54ed286b5c4bfb3fc86d9549b0cf210d67f4860bfa92& [16:53:02] @whostacking [16:53:38] Correct [16:55:02] i reimported but it stilll the same [16:56:16] have you tried to import the missing templates that you see? [16:56:23] e.g main other, documentation, br seperated entries? [16:57:16] those havent been deleted but ill reimport them [16:57:45] [1/3] You guys have any luck getting Google SEO to cooperate? [16:57:45] [2/3] This seems to work but it gives ``Page - Mindustry Encyclopedia - Miraheze`` on google.com [16:57:45] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530620079564394587/image.png?ex=6a663c88&is=6a64eb08&hm=c2c73f0587b22b7dc45b2a30a1f7619044d70328157d1d262e04ba30afa1320e& [16:57:49] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530620097356497037/image.png?ex=6a663c8c&is=6a64eb0c&hm=4e9aa034399b2ec390483307809f1031be99e4fd746b104d08bde45a658cf217& [16:58:02] well kinda, it doesn't even take the desc from the top [17:01:59] [1/2] imported them again and their required modules, still nothing [17:01:59] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530621144602771456/image.png?ex=6a663d86&is=6a64ec06&hm=512d24137321a1b302b003f422ae6ce2101d5ce2b6c79f874846122b4eacfd4d& [17:02:07] Google does whatever it wants, unfortunately. [17:02:38] ah rip 😔 🤘 [17:02:45] since you said you imported the red links shown can you try clicking More -> Purge [17:03:21] There may be tricks for google-wrangling, but if there are I don't know them. [17:03:27] still the same [17:03:31] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530621534291628122/image.png?ex=6a663de3&is=6a64ec63&hm=3a182645edd0a28bc169f239f8d2b786ab7c6d30334922dbda8f7f63fb945795& [17:04:21] can you send a link to the template [17:05:36] [1/2] somethign has changec, now its just this [17:05:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530622057061023867/image.png?ex=6a663e5f&is=6a64ecdf&hm=85ba6ad38290c824d84b0b53d6696490fb643e84030f732d7c37972db31ed965& [17:05:39] https://longlivethecall.wiki/wiki/Template:Infobox [17:06:57] [1/2] doesnt seem like you imported the missing templates at all? [17:06:57] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530622396866756608/image.png?ex=6a663eb1&is=6a64ed31&hm=f47e0bad8a292ace918ba38d65cea7aefb1e2f7a9dba83f9871dc86563388f93& [17:07:12] what [17:07:32] [1/2] > have you tried to import the missing templates that you see? [17:07:32] [2/2] > e.g main other, documentation, br seperated entries? [17:07:56] ill import again [17:09:11] Pulling this down again since I’m curious. [17:10:44] @domthenightshift oh i see the issue. it seems that you disabled the setting `$wgCapitalLinks`, which made it so that `{{infobox person` wouldnt work anymore since its case sensitive [17:11:13] that + the missing templates [17:12:54] omg [17:16:49] #support post is probably best [17:24:02] [1/3] i reverted the capital and imported stuff now but the info box is working [17:24:02] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530626693797117972/image.png?ex=6a6642b1&is=6a64f131&hm=4b1b14ffbe7ca13d4e82ceea62831b781929649675e4302ecb541eb519d2b119& [17:24:02] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530626694233460907/image.png?ex=6a6642b1&is=6a64f131&hm=65b3f2fb3b5e6a82f89de46fa2947e0954458f17fd097278a8978bf7704b07ed& [17:24:24] thats great [17:24:28] congrats [17:24:39] thank you so much [17:40:00] [1/2] difficult to tell without an example, but yeah one of the advantages of bucket is that you can make pages like without anybody ever needing to edit it. you can ask for specific help in #support . there's also the weird gloop server https://discord.com/channels/407504499280707585/10013739348 [17:40:00] [2/2] 74284112/1505696515392540713 which has a place for bucket discussion [17:40:23] i can get an example later im just not on my pc rn [18:17:22] Hi [18:39:21] <.labster> How does one delete a namespace? Topic namespace has been empty since we disabled Flow. [18:48:01] I think it's deleted in [[Special:ManageWiki/namespaces]], no? [18:51:33] Seems to be a 'delete' tab (not visible for those without the right managewiki permission). If I remember correctly, if you're deleting the content space, there is a subsequent prompt that asks if you want to delete the companion talk space [19:15:06] [1/3] doing some bullshit rn cuz I like fandom's page header layout [19:15:06] [2/3] (styling is a very heavy wip) [19:15:06] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530654645452673154/image.png?ex=6a665cb9&is=6a650b39&hm=0653f708050c94c35d719d84b6181a58b3af66b8dda6668afdccac056be730a3& [19:18:27] <.labster> dmehus The delete tab is missing for this namespace, but appears on others. I assume it was because it was once added by an extension. [19:22:32] Tech might need to nuke it then [19:25:25] What wiki? [19:30:35] [1/2] thank you fandom for having one (1) good part of your layout [19:30:36] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530658544746106974/snowy3.gif?ex=6a66605b&is=6a650edb&hm=77604176c2ca6105f289aca421519c2e6ed09ae333979e16787662a2dae42b19& [19:30:48] <.labster, replying to rhinosf1> allthetropeswiki [19:31:03] <.labster> I made https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T12377 for it [19:31:30] @.labster: ah [19:32:05] <.labster> Edit: I made https://issue-tracker.miraheze.org/T15722 for it [19:32:15] sounds good :) [19:32:45] <.labster> I assume people on IRC can't see edited discord msgs [19:38:37] correct [19:41:27] @pskyechology can you see what decides whether the delete button shows? [19:41:32] In MW Namespaces [19:41:44] [1/15] MariaDB [mhglobal]> select * from mw_namespaces where ns_namespace_id = 2600 and ns_dbname = 'allthetropeswiki' \G [19:41:44] [2/15]  1. row  [19:41:44] [3/15] ns_dbname: allthetropeswiki [19:41:45] [4/15] ns_namespace_id: 2600 [19:41:45] [5/15] ns_namespace_name: Topic [19:41:45] [6/15] ns_searchable: 1 [19:41:45] [7/15] ns_subpages: 0 [19:41:46] [8/15] ns_content: 0 [19:41:46] [9/15] ns_content_model: flow-board [19:41:46] [10/15] ns_protection: [19:41:47] [11/15] ns_aliases: [] [19:41:47] [12/15] ns_core: 1 [19:41:48] [13/15] ns_additional: [] [19:41:48] [14/15] 1 row in set (0.001 sec) [19:41:49] [15/15] MariaDB [mhglobal]> [19:47:26] .labster: yeah, that's right, thanks [19:50:26] what is this archaic script [19:53:18] [19:53:28] whether it's marked as core or not [19:55:00] That's terribly named [19:55:06] ceMW is a stupid variable that desperately needs to be renamed [19:55:16] canEditMW would be miles better [19:57:14] @posix_memalign since you did the migration, is dropping the namespace if the type is flow-board safe [19:57:21] Or should we just make it not core [19:57:58] There's no delete namespace because extension removed script [19:58:16] So that means we probably should write one [20:08:49] I don't think the content model matters? The namespace should be empty and so safe to delete. We also have a fallback content handler for flow-board in case a few pages still have that content model. [20:10:27] How hard would it be to mass delete the namespace [20:11:48] wouldn't it be easier just to perform an SQL query to see if any pages still exist in that namespace? [20:15:18] <.labster> There's always cleanupTitles.php [20:15:42] dmehus: nothing with flow-board should be readable any [20:15:49] And content can be recovered [20:16:30] We don't have a CLI version of the delete namespace page we could force [20:18:45] that's stupid, allow me to fix that [20:19:28] I was hoping to nerd snipe one of you [20:22:09] rhinosf1: ah [20:23:40] <.labster> dmehus: You suggested that we enable $wgVisualEditorEnableWikitext on our wiki as well. But I can't find out what the setting even does. The entire documentation on mediawiki.org is that the setting does "wikitext mode". [20:24:02] I think it means 2017 source editor? [20:24:08] <.labster> Yeah, that's not documented. [20:24:17] whereas normal source editor is 2010 [20:24:35] The wikitext editor built into visual editor is neat. Bigger text area [20:24:52] And all the VE conveniences like the citation generator (though I doubt that gets much usage outside Wikipedia) [20:25:17] I only remember the VE source mode interfering with the alt+shift+v shortcut [20:25:37] <.labster> Honestly, I think I'm going to wait until VisualEditor is ready for prime time. Even the documentation page isn't ready for translation. And back when we still had it enabled, it kept messing up edits and changing random spacing in places the user wasn't editing. We really shouldn't be deploying extensions that are in such obvious beta. [20:25:40] .labster: is that re: my moderated message to Robkelk? [20:25:45] that shortcut is useful enough that I have VE globally disabled [20:26:21] when VisualEditor is enabled, it is recommended for people who have source editor set to their default, as it provides easier switching between VE and source editor [20:27:06] isn't VisualEditor already enabled on your wiki, though? I thought it was [20:28:23] <.labster> Yep, that mod message. Honestly I think it's only still enabled because it was required for Flow. We disabled it in Main namespace because it was way too buggy. [20:29:06] ah, that's fair. It is very useful with Discussion Tools still [20:29:22] you could potentially just enable it in Talk namespaces [20:29:56] not sure if you guys use Discussion Tools on ATT... [20:31:26] <.labster> I think we do in one of the talk namespaces. [20:38:35] Yeah, it's enabled in https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:ManageWiki/namespaces/2#mw-section-namespacetalk. This is why I think `$wgVisualEditorEnableWikitext` would be helpful. [20:38:35] CodeEditor does not have a Find a replace function. VisualEditor source editor does. [20:38:54] Find and replace* [20:40:07] also if I have 2017 wikitext source editor enabled as a global preference, this is the experience I get when that MW variable is disabled/set to `false`: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/kLRbacFo/Screenshot%202026-07-25%20133914.png [20:40:16] which, I think, is sub-optimal [20:41:27] versus Meta Wiki: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/lkaajzpc/Screenshot%202026-07-25%20134106.png [20:42:37] note in the All The Tropes example, the page does not auto-refresh. One must always click "refresh that page" [20:42:54] [1/2] fandom how to fork [20:42:54] [2/2] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530676742623199273/image0.jpg?ex=6a66714e&is=6a651fce&hm=9da4895ab029d881af9dfdce2df9d11435e3f84371a5cc7877df2e040ea8186d& [20:43:58] Just add -ai to your google search [20:44:03] believe that still works [20:44:07] @bartomelow Shitpost in #offtopic, thanks. [20:44:30] ah, that's what shitposting is :) [20:45:52] ok [21:06:10] Anyone have a tutorial on how to use miraheze [21:13:42] <.labster, replying to lemmonnade_> What do you mean by "how to use Miraheze?" Are you talking about making a new wiki, editing an existing wiki, configuring the appearance? [21:13:56] yeah exactly [21:14:28] <.labster> That was not a yes or no question. [21:14:43] <.labster> Which one of those do you want? [21:14:55] Configuring the appearance [21:16:45] <.labster> The big way is to use ManageWiki to install a new skin. But you can also change little things by editing files on the wiki like Mediawiki:Common.css [21:18:45] [1/2] > every time i press "Save page", it reloads the page without creating an article. am i doing something wrong? [21:18:45] [2/2] User on my wiki is having this issue, anyone know what might cause it? They said theyre using Firefox. [21:27:49] Where i can find the wiki files [21:52:37] [[how-to guides]] [21:52:38] [21:54:20] tyvm [22:33:25] <.labster> Should I add How-to Guides to the main page? It seems like it would be useful [22:35:14] <.labster> Having [[Help desk]] and [[Help center]] is confusing too [22:35:14] [1/2] [22:35:15] [2/2] [22:40:33] Help desk is more like the noticeboard where users can ask questions, whereas Help center is the centralized starting point for the guides, FAQs, special pages, Help desk, etc. [22:42:01] I would add Help center and How-to guides to the What is Miraheze section, since Quick Links is mostly for request pages [22:42:29] it's probably do for a significant overhaul at some point anyway [22:42:33] that is, Main Page [22:59:03] [1/3] Is there any templates for something like this on miraheze? [22:59:03] [2/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530711005313630433/Screenshot_20260726-055819_Chrome.jpg?ex=6a669136&is=6a653fb6&hm=081821fa79f12a8c6af5a5444ba948aff6e5e48f41fd7abad55b2b76d6701891& [22:59:04] [3/3] https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/407537962553966603/1530711005913550858/Screenshot_20260726-055809_Chrome.jpg?ex=6a669137&is=6a653fb7&hm=ace5f6e40c67452211826251f1f02c047d66c053ebc8ba2310db08fc67ab16e2& [23:17:02] the purposes of help desk and help center are distinct, but the naming isn't, and perhaps there is a way to improve that [23:31:54] Help center could potentially be renamed `Start here`, `Getting started`, or `Quick start`, perhaps, yeah [23:31:56] im creating the wiki news template for a wiki and i can't seem to force it to align to the left https://arsenal.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Nukesme/Sandbox [23:32:07] <90gq29, replying to dmehus> good change [23:32:26] @90gq29: thanks :) [23:32:28] 👀 [23:32:54] something in the vein of 'support' maybe [23:33:01] 👀 [23:33:13] hrm, 'support' feels too broad/vague IMHO [23:33:21] @nukesme lets ping dmehus or nah [23:33:34] no @MirahezeRelay [23:33:46] @nukesme i hate u [23:33:53] ok son [23:34:00] @nukesme: remember you may want to request and use a Miraheze cloak on IRC [23:34:06] yeah [23:34:16] how [23:34:31] I'd go to #miraheze-ops and ask MacFan4000 [23:34:42] he's the most active Group Contact for the miraheze namespace [23:34:47] oh okay [23:35:01] IRCcloud is a good IRC client to use too [23:35:06] so i should go on #miraheze-ops and ping MacFan4000 [23:35:10] yeah [23:35:16] and request a cloak [23:35:25] I'm spoiled by not paying for clients that do a lot more than irccloud polishing a limited platform tbh [23:35:53] nukesme: you need to be registered with NickServ (/msg NickServ REGISTER) [23:35:56] I don't actually use Libera.Chat web chat so not exactly certain how easy it is to activate your cloak in the web chat before connecting [23:36:04] MacFan400: thanks :) [23:36:05] its... usable [23:36:14] MacFan4000* [23:36:27] ohh [23:36:48] irccloud does make some basic, imo essential pitches, but it feels like lipstick on a pig especially when you pay to get the useful stuff [23:36:49] @raidarr: what do you use for IRC? [23:37:02] so exactly `/msg NickServ REGISTER`? [23:37:13] I don't pay for IRCcloud. I live with not staying connecting [23:37:14] Yes [23:37:50] I've honestly yet to find an arrangement for irc that I actually liked which is part of why I don't because there is not enough to sell me for the inconvenience of the protocol. I've been meaning to set up something like the lounge to give it a proper chance [23:38:02] Then everytime you connect to IRC need to /msg NickServ identify to log in [23:38:06] test [23:38:14] its barrier of entry being higher than run a binary is another aspect that doesn't sell the investment for me [23:38:59] but the lounge and one or two others I've found in that vein are what I would use if I actually dove into it, otherwise I've been moderately appeased by konversation [23:39:41] every time I've ever used it otherwise has been whatever webapp is integrated into the site it was for or through the libera site in the limited time I used it for miraheze [23:40:08] I have to go for a bit but I can handle the cloak later [23:40:10] irc is probably what made me went I like forums I'll stick to those in the first place before discord came along [23:40:23] yay i have a cloak now [23:40:37] well its not a mh one :sob: [23:41:35] after having the default cloak i can request the miraheze one? [23:41:46] yes [23:41:49] ok [23:42:21] that's good, nukesme :) [23:42:33] yes [23:42:37] less ip leakage [23:43:21] > I've honestly yet to find an arrangement for irc that I actually liked which is part of why I don't because there is not enough to sell me for the inconvenience of the protocol. I've been meaning to set up something like the lounge to give it a proper chance [23:43:21] true [23:44:03] if I had 2 our 3 miraheze-level communities I visited as often as miraheze, irc would be a justified investment for me to personally revisit [23:44:33] and although the bar isn't met for me I'm more than happy to facilitate it for MCR on an as-needed basis, which hasn't really come up yet